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[01-Feb-2007 05:26:36] <VlaDar> hello
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[01-Feb-2007 12:52:26] <creiht> Any developers here that could point me in the right direction to make a custom data collector plugin?
[01-Feb-2007 13:38:32] <monrad> nope not tried that yet
[01-Feb-2007 14:28:54] <monrad> i seem to get performance problems when i get around 200 switches in zenoss
[01-Feb-2007 14:30:25] <monrad> for the most time i get around 45-55 secs poll time but sometimes i need to read a lot from the san and this kills performance
[01-Feb-2007 14:32:44] <monrad> too bad we cant get more activity on this channel
[01-Feb-2007 14:34:13] <creiht> i'm only monitoring around 50 systems
[01-Feb-2007 14:36:18] <monrad> there is some way up to the 1200 switches and servers we have now
[01-Feb-2007 14:37:18] <creiht> I've been told that it should be capable of that
[01-Feb-2007 14:37:44] <creiht> We looked at using it to monitor networking infrastructure
[01-Feb-2007 14:37:57] <creiht> Are you polling every minute, or every 5 minutes?
[01-Feb-2007 14:38:27] <monrad> 5 minutes
[01-Feb-2007 14:38:35] <monrad> and i guess we can go as high as 10
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[01-Feb-2007 14:42:28] <monrad> right now we use nagios but that does not works for network infrastructure
[01-Feb-2007 14:43:08] <aberant> i'm getting a bad wmi state error on the zenwinmodeler test... i've been to the page on trac that shows how to test wmi, and it answers queries
[01-Feb-2007 14:43:16] <aberant> i'm just scratching my head on how to proceed.
[01-Feb-2007 14:43:45] <aberant> i'm also running it as administrator.. and have checked that i have full rights to WMI
[01-Feb-2007 14:43:59] <aberant> any ideas, or things i can check?
[01-Feb-2007 14:44:24] <monrad> i dont monitor any windows boxes yet
[01-Feb-2007 15:11:43] <creiht> hmmm I haven't run it on windows
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[01-Feb-2007 16:52:28] <mike-ekim> helloo
[01-Feb-2007 17:14:51] <monrad> hello
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[01-Feb-2007 19:57:52] <giesen> what's the proper RPN if I want to divide a value by 10
[01-Feb-2007 19:57:54] <giesen> for the perfconf
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[02-Feb-2007 01:25:17] <erickperez> Hi there. Just a quick question. Can I run zenoss latest oficial release in a Centos 4.4 Machine?
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[02-Feb-2007 08:51:50] <suprsonic> anyone home?
[02-Feb-2007 09:28:19] <suprsonic> omghi!
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[02-Feb-2007 11:31:19] <monrad> evening
[02-Feb-2007 11:31:36] <suprsonic> hi!
[02-Feb-2007 11:31:40] <suprsonic> can you help me with zenoss?
[02-Feb-2007 11:31:56] <suprsonic> I'm having difficulty trying to assign a template to a device
[02-Feb-2007 11:33:07] <monrad> hmm
[02-Feb-2007 11:33:13] <monrad> try read the admin guide
[02-Feb-2007 11:33:24] <suprsonic> already did
[02-Feb-2007 11:33:41] <monrad> which kind of template?
[02-Feb-2007 11:33:47] <suprsonic> I have a ups that I want to alert if there are alarms
[02-Feb-2007 11:33:56] <suprsonic> so I added the device
[02-Feb-2007 11:34:15] <suprsonic> from there I've created a local copy to make custom datasources
[02-Feb-2007 11:34:22] <suprsonic> and then a threshold
[02-Feb-2007 11:34:41] <suprsonic> but when I tcpdump port 161 I see that it's only fetching sysuptime oid
[02-Feb-2007 11:34:58] <suprsonic> it's ignorning my local copy customizations
[02-Feb-2007 11:35:09] <monrad> hmm
[02-Feb-2007 11:36:09] <suprsonic> thoughts?
[02-Feb-2007 11:36:46] <monrad> i had no problem with polling the stuff i want
[02-Feb-2007 11:38:35] <suprsonic> when I create a datasource, so I need to run a query or should it automatically add to the zenperfsnmp job?
[02-Feb-2007 11:39:27] <suprsonic> I moved the device to /devices/Power
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[02-Feb-2007 12:07:19] <suprsonic> chet!
[02-Feb-2007 12:07:27] <chet> suprsonic!
[02-Feb-2007 12:07:30] <chet> What's up?
[02-Feb-2007 12:07:58] <monrad> it takes up to 30 minuts before zenperfsnmp reloads its config
[02-Feb-2007 12:08:22] <chet> yeah, that's the default setting.
[02-Feb-2007 12:09:13] <suprsonic> I know you from somewhere
[02-Feb-2007 12:09:51] <chet> There are a couple of other Chets out there.. are you sure it's me?
[02-Feb-2007 12:09:57] <suprsonic> oh
[02-Feb-2007 12:10:00] <suprsonic> freebsd user?
[02-Feb-2007 12:10:26] <chet> Occasionally.. I am on the mailing list.
[02-Feb-2007 12:10:36] <suprsonic> so if I create a new threshold it could take up to 30 minutes to start?
[02-Feb-2007 12:10:48] <chet> Yes.
[02-Feb-2007 12:10:52] <suprsonic> oh wow
[02-Feb-2007 12:10:59] <suprsonic> maybe that is my issue in the first place
[02-Feb-2007 12:11:24] <chet> You can adjust that 30 minutes much lower if your zenperfsnmp isn't straining to complete the collections within the 5 minute period.
[02-Feb-2007 12:11:51] <chet> Or you can just restart zenperfsnmp from the web interface and it'll have the new config immediately.
[02-Feb-2007 12:12:32] <suprsonic> trying
[02-Feb-2007 12:12:33] <chet> What version are you running? I seem to recall a bug in pre-1.1 that would cause zenperfsnmp to not reload the config at the proper interval (or at all.)
[02-Feb-2007 12:13:00] <suprsonic> just downloaded the source yesterday
[02-Feb-2007 12:13:03] <suprsonic> and installed
[02-Feb-2007 12:13:10] <suprsonic> so it would be the latest src install version
[02-Feb-2007 12:13:14] <chet> ok, good.
[02-Feb-2007 12:15:39] <suprsonic> grrrr
[02-Feb-2007 12:15:46] <suprsonic> didn't work
[02-Feb-2007 12:16:06] <suprsonic> I reloaded zenprefsnmp and it just went for sysUptime
[02-Feb-2007 12:16:32] <chet> ok.. I recommend you run: zenperfsnmp run -v 10 -dDEVICE_NAME
[02-Feb-2007 12:16:38] <chet> Perhaps it'll tell you something interesting.
[02-Feb-2007 12:16:55] <suprsonic> checking
[02-Feb-2007 12:19:56] <suprsonic> DEBUG:zen.zenperfsnmp:Sent 8 SNMP OID requests
[02-Feb-2007 12:20:27] <suprsonic> I only saw two packets on the interface
[02-Feb-2007 12:20:33] <suprsonic> one request
[02-Feb-2007 12:20:38] <suprsonic> and a reply
[02-Feb-2007 12:21:56] <chet> If it's SNMPv2 it could have been a getbulk and had 8 requests/responses per packet.
[02-Feb-2007 12:22:58] <suprsonic> interfaces.ifTable.ifEntry.ifInOctets.1=[|snmp]
[02-Feb-2007 12:23:02] <chet> Can you look under the perf/Devices/DEVICE_NAME directory to see if appropriate RRD files exist?
[02-Feb-2007 12:23:31] <suprsonic> oh
[02-Feb-2007 12:23:45] <suprsonic> what if the device only supports v1?
[02-Feb-2007 12:23:53] <chet> You should have seen more packets.
[02-Feb-2007 12:24:16] <suprsonic> rrds exit
[02-Feb-2007 12:24:52] <chet> The ones you create data points for?
[02-Feb-2007 12:24:57] <suprsonic> yes
[02-Feb-2007 12:25:18] <chet> Great. Did you create a graph that contains them under the perfconf?
[02-Feb-2007 12:25:28] <suprsonic> nah
[02-Feb-2007 12:25:30] <suprsonic> no need
[02-Feb-2007 12:25:38] <suprsonic> I don't want to graph them out, only to report
[02-Feb-2007 12:27:05] <suprsonic> bbl lunch
[02-Feb-2007 12:27:09] <suprsonic> willy ou be on chet?
[02-Feb-2007 12:27:34] <chet> Probably.
[02-Feb-2007 12:27:40] <suprsonic> thanks, talk to you then!
[02-Feb-2007 13:23:36] <suprsonic> back!
[02-Feb-2007 13:23:53] <suprsonic> I'm under the assumption that the device does not support 2c
[02-Feb-2007 13:24:17] <suprsonic> but zenoss is sending out getbulk
[02-Feb-2007 13:26:11] <chet> What makes you so sure that it isn't collecting the data? Based on the presence of the RRD files alone, I'd say that it is.
[02-Feb-2007 13:27:10] <suprsonic> getbulk a v2c function only?
[02-Feb-2007 13:27:34] <chet> one sec.. work calls.
[02-Feb-2007 13:31:57] <monrad> yes getbulk is a v2 thing only
[02-Feb-2007 13:32:03] <monrad> well i guess v3 too
[02-Feb-2007 13:34:53] <suprsonic> wow I'm really retarded
[02-Feb-2007 13:37:47] <chet> Why's that?
[02-Feb-2007 13:38:06] <suprsonic> my threshold was wrong the whole time
[02-Feb-2007 13:38:14] <suprsonic> my escalate was set to 1
[02-Feb-2007 13:38:27] <suprsonic> device already has alarms set
[02-Feb-2007 13:38:45] <suprsonic> so that means I have to wait for another alert for the threshold to trigger
[02-Feb-2007 13:39:53] <suprsonic> so I set Escalate count to 0, but how do I have it trigger if value > 0
[02-Feb-2007 13:42:33] <chet> I think you have to move the threshold event into history so a new one can be generated.
[02-Feb-2007 13:43:40] <suprsonic> how do you delete events?
[02-Feb-2007 13:48:58] <chet> Put a check next to them and click the History button at the bottom.
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[02-Feb-2007 20:58:21] <_lunix_> 3aaa
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[04-Feb-2007 02:09:07] <tsdano> does zenoss have support for legacy *nix systems where there is no client side snmp?
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[05-Feb-2007 10:24:09] <suprsonic> http://www.pastebin.ca/341333
[05-Feb-2007 10:24:19] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - Mine - post number 341333 (at www.pastebin.ca)
[05-Feb-2007 11:01:31] <suprsonic> anyone home?
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[05-Feb-2007 11:22:30] <suprsonic> chet!
[05-Feb-2007 11:22:43] <suprsonic> tahehehe /poke chet
[05-Feb-2007 11:27:32] <suprsonic> while tcpdumping the zenoss box I noticed packets bound to dev.zenoss.org.http
[05-Feb-2007 11:27:42] <suprsonic> what are those packets for?
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[05-Feb-2007 11:30:49] <chet> What kind of packets? They could the version update check.
[05-Feb-2007 11:31:00] <chet> How often do they happen?
[05-Feb-2007 11:31:09] <suprsonic> every 5 minutes
[05-Feb-2007 11:31:32] <suprsonic> from the zenaction service
[05-Feb-2007 11:32:14] <suprsonic> how do I assign a proxy server if it's indeed a version update check?
[05-Feb-2007 11:33:10] <chet> The version update check should only happen once per day.
[05-Feb-2007 11:33:17] <chet> I'm not quite sure why zenactions would be doing that
[05-Feb-2007 11:33:23] <chet> Looking to see if mine does.
[05-Feb-2007 11:34:06] <suprsonic> http://www.pastebin.ca/341333
[05-Feb-2007 11:34:13] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - Mine - post number 341333 (at www.pastebin.ca)
[05-Feb-2007 11:34:16] <suprsonic> what do you suppose that's for?
[05-Feb-2007 11:35:22] <suprsonic> I bet since it can't connect to the server it's trying every cycle rather than once a day
[05-Feb-2007 11:37:29] <suprsonic> how would I assign a proxy address for the services to access the site?
[05-Feb-2007 11:38:31] <chet> ah, it tries every 5 minutes if it fails.
[05-Feb-2007 11:38:35] <chet> Let me look into it.
[05-Feb-2007 11:39:33] <suprsonic> thanks!
[05-Feb-2007 11:40:30] <chet> Does your proxy require authentication?
[05-Feb-2007 11:40:54] <suprsonic> nope
[05-Feb-2007 11:41:04] <chet> Good.. this should be easy.
[05-Feb-2007 11:41:22] <chet> You set your ZENHOME and exported it in your zenoss user's .bash_profile, right?
[05-Feb-2007 11:41:35] <suprsonic> I place dit in .bashrc
[05-Feb-2007 11:42:17] <chet> ok, set "http_proxy=http://yourproxy.com:3128" and export it in there.
[05-Feb-2007 11:42:21] <suprsonic> already set
[05-Feb-2007 11:42:28] <chet> Then zenactions restart
[05-Feb-2007 11:42:35] <suprsonic> I used caps for http_proxy though
[05-Feb-2007 11:42:39] <chet> Use lower.
[05-Feb-2007 11:43:18] <chet> zenactions uses python's urllib: http://docs.python.org/lib/module-urllib.html
[05-Feb-2007 11:43:25] <adytum-bot> Title: 18.5 urllib -- Open arbitrary resources by URL (at docs.python.org)
[05-Feb-2007 11:43:47] <chet> heh.. we're reading the same material.
[05-Feb-2007 11:44:54] <suprsonic> trying
[05-Feb-2007 11:46:53] <suprsonic> nope
[05-Feb-2007 11:46:59] <suprsonic> still going directly
[05-Feb-2007 11:48:03] <chet> I forgot to mention.. did you logout/login to your zenoss user account after updating the .bashrc?
[05-Feb-2007 11:48:22] <suprsonic> I stopped and started the service
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[05-Feb-2007 11:49:06] <chet> The .bashrc won't get run until you login to the account again.
[05-Feb-2007 11:49:22] <suprsonic> restart the whole zenoss services?
[05-Feb-2007 11:50:04] <chet> No.. do you sudo to the zenoss user account?
[05-Feb-2007 11:50:12] <suprsonic> I restarted via the interface
[05-Feb-2007 11:50:18] <suprsonic> just did it command line now
[05-Feb-2007 11:50:24] <suprsonic> see if that works
[05-Feb-2007 11:53:36] <suprsonic> would this cause alerts from being sent via email?
[05-Feb-2007 11:54:58] <suprsonic> okay that did it
[05-Feb-2007 11:55:11] <suprsonic> it was checking for updates
[05-Feb-2007 11:56:11] <suprsonic> I got thresholds to trigger a warning, but an email is not being sent.
[05-Feb-2007 11:56:27] <chet> I don't know if that'd cause a problem or not.
[05-Feb-2007 11:58:46] <suprsonic> I assigned the device to the user and setup the user account with mail and alerts
[05-Feb-2007 11:59:15] <chet> As strange as it sounds, assigning a user to a device does nothing at the moment.
[05-Feb-2007 11:59:37] <chet> Everything is controlled by the alerting rule.
[05-Feb-2007 11:59:37] <suprsonic> oh
[05-Feb-2007 12:00:20] <suprsonic> okay
[05-Feb-2007 12:00:47] <suprsonic> so I have a stat = Production, Severity >= Warning, Event Sate = New
[05-Feb-2007 12:01:02] <suprsonic> when a new threshold is triggered it doesn't send an email
[05-Feb-2007 12:01:06] <chet> Yeah.. that sounds good. That user should get ANY events >= warning
[05-Feb-2007 12:01:22] <chet> Enable == True, right?
[05-Feb-2007 12:01:23] <suprsonic> agreed
[05-Feb-2007 12:01:26] <suprsonic> yes enabled
[05-Feb-2007 12:01:40] <chet> Does the zenactions.log show it trying to do anything?
[05-Feb-2007 12:01:52] <suprsonic> nope
[05-Feb-2007 12:01:58] <suprsonic> 2007-02-05 10:51:22 INFO zen.ZenActions: processed 0 rules in 0.01 secs
[05-Feb-2007 12:02:35] <suprsonic> do you need to assign a schedule?
[05-Feb-2007 12:02:43] <chet> No.. no schedule means 24x7
[05-Feb-2007 12:04:16] <chet> It should at least say that it's processing 1 rule every iteration, whether or not it has any related events.
[05-Feb-2007 12:04:26] <chet> For some reason zenactions doesn't know about the rule you created.
[05-Feb-2007 12:04:38] <suprsonic> I removed it and made a new one
[05-Feb-2007 12:04:38] <chet> This is happening even after you restarted zenactions?
[05-Feb-2007 12:06:34] <suprsonic> 2007-02-05 10:56:42 INFO zen.ZenActions: Processed 0 commands in 0.002543
[05-Feb-2007 12:06:34] <suprsonic> 2007-02-05 10:56:42 INFO zen.ZenActions: processed 0 rules in 0.01 secs
[05-Feb-2007 12:06:37] <suprsonic> sorry
[05-Feb-2007 12:06:42] <suprsonic> will use pastebin from now on
[05-Feb-2007 12:07:25] <suprsonic> test email works, so I know that smtp isn't an issue
[05-Feb-2007 12:13:26] <giesen> where is the mysql db password stored in the configs
[05-Feb-2007 12:13:31] <giesen> or how do I retrieve it
[05-Feb-2007 12:13:34] <suprsonic> localhost
[05-Feb-2007 12:13:43] <suprsonic> settings
[05-Feb-2007 12:13:54] <suprsonic> nm
[05-Feb-2007 12:16:25] <chet> giesen: You can get it with "dmd.ZenEventManager.password" from zendmd
[05-Feb-2007 12:17:09] <suprsonic> thoughts chet??
[05-Feb-2007 12:17:59] <chet> suprsonic: Maybe you need to restart zenactions again since you deleted and recreated the alerting rule.
[05-Feb-2007 12:18:11] <suprsonic> already did
[05-Feb-2007 12:18:36] <giesen> chet: uh okay
[05-Feb-2007 12:18:47] <chet> giesen: It isn't stored in a text file if that's what you mean.
[05-Feb-2007 12:19:02] <giesen> okay
[05-Feb-2007 12:19:19] <giesen> just give me instructions on how to retrieve it, since I know nothing about zope
[05-Feb-2007 12:25:31] <suprsonic> restarted
[05-Feb-2007 12:25:37] <suprsonic> no commands
[05-Feb-2007 12:26:09] <SunRayCafe> suprsonic, sorry if this is a silly question... you're storing variables in .bashrc?
[05-Feb-2007 12:26:36] <suprsonic> not a linux fan
[05-Feb-2007 12:26:42] <suprsonic> so I've never used bash
[05-Feb-2007 12:26:54] <suprsonic> I assumed it was in .bashrc or .bash_profile
[05-Feb-2007 12:26:56] <suprsonic> so I made both
[05-Feb-2007 12:27:06] <SunRayCafe> okay... have you logged out and back in since changing?
[05-Feb-2007 12:27:12] <suprsonic> yes
[05-Feb-2007 12:27:17] <SunRayCafe> oh, okay
[05-Feb-2007 12:27:19] <SunRayCafe> sorry
[05-Feb-2007 12:27:22] <suprsonic> got everything working but alerting now
[05-Feb-2007 12:27:25] * SunRayCafe goes away again, being useless
[05-Feb-2007 12:29:30] <suprsonic> oh
[05-Feb-2007 12:29:59] <suprsonic> do I need to create another user other than admin to send alerts?
[05-Feb-2007 12:30:36] <giesen> newp
[05-Feb-2007 12:30:50] <suprsonic> well, it just assigned a new rule
[05-Feb-2007 12:32:13] <suprsonic> when I created a new user
[05-Feb-2007 12:34:36] <giesen> I havent created a new user in 1.1.0 yet
[05-Feb-2007 12:34:48] <giesen> but it's probably a good idea for it to introduce some default rules
[05-Feb-2007 12:34:51] <suprsonic> I think that's my issue
[05-Feb-2007 12:35:07] <giesen> man, the zenoss tarball doubles in size each release
[05-Feb-2007 12:35:12] <giesen> up to 50 MB now
[05-Feb-2007 12:35:56] <suprsonic> I think it's going to work now
[05-Feb-2007 12:36:03] <suprsonic> now that i created a new user other than admin
[05-Feb-2007 12:42:08] * giesen twiddles his thumbs waiting for his alerts feature request to be implemented =)
[05-Feb-2007 12:50:46] <giesen> anyone have troubles with upgrades on freebsd?
[05-Feb-2007 13:16:53] <monrad> how do i turn up debugging info on zenperfsnmp?
[05-Feb-2007 13:29:17] <monrad> found it
[05-Feb-2007 14:26:20] <monrad> anyone tried to profile zenperfsnmp?
[05-Feb-2007 16:17:39] <giesen> uh
[05-Feb-2007 16:17:44] <giesen> 1.1.0 broke everything
[05-Feb-2007 16:17:52] <giesen> when I click on manage
[05-Feb-2007 16:17:54] <monrad> 1.1.0 or the new trunk?
[05-Feb-2007 16:17:56] <giesen> on any device
[05-Feb-2007 16:18:07] <giesen> Zenoss Error
[05-Feb-2007 16:18:07] <giesen> An error was encountered while publishing this resource. Please use the form below to submit details of this error to Zenoss, Inc.
[05-Feb-2007 16:18:10] <giesen> Type: KeyError
[05-Feb-2007 16:18:12] <giesen> Value: 'userCommands'
[05-Feb-2007 16:18:27] <chet> Did you already re-run zenmigrate?
[05-Feb-2007 16:19:18] <giesen> no
[05-Feb-2007 16:19:58] <giesen> I shall do that
[05-Feb-2007 16:20:03] <chet> That fixes most of these problems..
[05-Feb-2007 16:20:04] <chet> zenmigrate run --commit
[05-Feb-2007 16:21:59] <giesen> k, I'll try that
[05-Feb-2007 16:22:06] <giesen> Im already getting a little leary of this release
[05-Feb-2007 16:22:17] <giesen> since I had to edit the makefile to get it to even compile
[05-Feb-2007 16:23:37] <giesen> that fixed itr
[05-Feb-2007 16:23:41] <giesen> mucho gracias chet
[05-Feb-2007 16:23:44] <chet> Great.
[05-Feb-2007 16:23:56] <chet> I don't think FreeBSD is a "tier 1" platform so to speak.
[05-Feb-2007 16:24:07] <giesen> yeah I know
[05-Feb-2007 16:24:09] <chet> You may be the only one trying 1.1 on it so far.. =}
[05-Feb-2007 16:24:13] <giesen> nah
[05-Feb-2007 16:24:18] <giesen> there's at least one other person
[05-Feb-2007 16:24:19] <giesen> Valeri
[05-Feb-2007 16:24:25] <giesen> saw on the mailing list
[05-Feb-2007 16:24:32] <giesen> Im actually kinda pissed now
[05-Feb-2007 16:24:38] <giesen> lost all my snmp date :/
[05-Feb-2007 16:24:40] <giesen> *data
[05-Feb-2007 16:24:58] <chet> You shouldn't have lost any rrd files.
[05-Feb-2007 16:25:56] <giesen> I ran without the --commit the first time
[05-Feb-2007 16:26:02] <giesen> could that have done it?
[05-Feb-2007 16:26:14] <chet> nope
[05-Feb-2007 16:26:59] <giesen> okay
[05-Feb-2007 16:27:06] <giesen> looks like just the UPS data
[05-Feb-2007 16:27:09] <giesen> not anything else
[05-Feb-2007 16:27:11] <giesen> I can live with that
[05-Feb-2007 16:27:37] <giesen> Id prefer to be running this on something like centos
[05-Feb-2007 16:27:45] <giesen> unfortunately my boss has an affinity for freebsd
[05-Feb-2007 16:28:14] <giesen> and the fact that zenoss compiled cleanly the first time only encourages him
[05-Feb-2007 16:28:41] <suprsonic> nothing wrong with freebsd
[05-Feb-2007 16:29:51] <giesen> yeah I have no serious qualms with it
[05-Feb-2007 16:29:55] <giesen> just not my platform of choice
[05-Feb-2007 16:30:04] <suprsonic> mokay
[05-Feb-2007 16:30:14] <suprsonic> how long have you worked with it?
[05-Feb-2007 16:30:27] <giesen> dunno...5 years?
[05-Feb-2007 16:30:37] <suprsonic> and you prefer centos?
[05-Feb-2007 16:30:48] <giesen> centos isnt my preferred platform either
[05-Feb-2007 16:30:52] <giesen> but it's better supported
[05-Feb-2007 16:30:58] <giesen> gentoo is my first love
[05-Feb-2007 16:31:03] <suprsonic> ah
[05-Feb-2007 16:31:12] <suprsonic> not too many of you out there
[05-Feb-2007 16:31:22] <giesen> centos is good because it clones the most popular commercial distro out there
[05-Feb-2007 16:31:29] <suprsonic> work with the bsd's and prefer linux
[05-Feb-2007 16:31:32] <giesen> and by extension, has the best support for commercial/enterprise apps
[05-Feb-2007 16:31:49] <giesen> freebsd just isnt commercially popular enough
[05-Feb-2007 16:31:52] <giesen> to be my first choice
[05-Feb-2007 16:31:59] <giesen> a prime example
[05-Feb-2007 16:32:01] <chet> yeah.. I use CentOS most place just because it's so easy.
[05-Feb-2007 16:32:03] <giesen> our asterisk box is linux
[05-Feb-2007 16:32:10] <giesen> because asterisk on freebsd is dirty
[05-Feb-2007 16:32:24] <giesen> yeah
[05-Feb-2007 16:32:29] <giesen> I can have a centos box up in 20 minutes
[05-Feb-2007 16:32:36] <giesen> which is the reason I prefer it at work
[05-Feb-2007 16:32:40] <giesen> gentoo takes a day
[05-Feb-2007 16:32:49] <giesen> and freebsd has many broken ports
[05-Feb-2007 16:33:16] <suprsonic> statistically commercial support is rarely a reason for choosing a one platform over another
[05-Feb-2007 16:33:37] <suprsonic> while it may be in the equation, commercial support is hardly ever used
[05-Feb-2007 16:33:51] <suprsonic> nice little fun fact for you :)
[05-Feb-2007 16:34:50] <giesen> oh
[05-Feb-2007 16:34:55] <suprsonic> I'm a neat freak, so I prefer the BSDs
[05-Feb-2007 16:34:58] <giesen> I could care less about having a support contract
[05-Feb-2007 16:35:05] <giesen> Im talking about things like prebuilt binaries
[05-Feb-2007 16:35:09] <giesen> driver modules
[05-Feb-2007 16:35:10] <giesen> etc
[05-Feb-2007 16:35:21] <giesen> there's no question RH4 is where it's at
[05-Feb-2007 16:35:24] <giesen> in that arena
[05-Feb-2007 16:35:28] <giesen> so centos is the next best thing
[05-Feb-2007 16:35:41] <giesen> I hate RPMs with a passion
[05-Feb-2007 16:35:48] <suprsonic> only thing I get close to is ESX
[05-Feb-2007 16:36:07] <suprsonic> even that I get frustrated with while in the terminal
[05-Feb-2007 16:38:20] <giesen> ooh
[05-Feb-2007 16:38:24] <giesen> my UPS data is back
[05-Feb-2007 16:38:28] <giesen> oh well
[05-Feb-2007 16:38:36] <giesen> half of it is gonna get wiped out anyways
[05-Feb-2007 16:38:39] <giesen> as I redo my graphs
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[05-Feb-2007 17:15:00] <suprsonic> wow
[05-Feb-2007 17:15:13] <suprsonic> I just realized how much memory zenoss takes up
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[05-Feb-2007 18:42:30] <giesen> haha
[05-Feb-2007 18:42:37] <giesen> yeah I have 1.5 GB of ram in one of my boxes
[05-Feb-2007 18:42:40] <giesen> and 2 GB in the other
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[05-Feb-2007 20:15:19] <giesen> hmmm my previously working graphs seem to be completely broken
[05-Feb-2007 20:15:28] <giesen> well, snmp in general seems to be broken
[05-Feb-2007 20:15:40] <giesen> I can smnpwalk the devices locally
[05-Feb-2007 20:15:44] <giesen> from the CLI
[05-Feb-2007 20:15:53] <giesen> but if I try to collect configuration
[05-Feb-2007 20:15:56] <giesen> all I get is timeout
[05-Feb-2007 20:20:04] <monrad> giesen: two boxes to monitor together or each on their own
[05-Feb-2007 20:22:39] <giesen> monrad: each on their own
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[05-Feb-2007 20:22:43] <giesen> two differnet companies
[05-Feb-2007 20:22:56] <giesen> hmmm
[05-Feb-2007 20:23:11] <giesen> my graphing is borked
[05-Feb-2007 20:23:12] <giesen> for sure
[05-Feb-2007 20:23:37] <monrad> ok
[05-Feb-2007 20:38:35] <giesen> oh Ive got an idea why
[05-Feb-2007 20:59:01] <monrad> anything that can be fixed :)
[05-Feb-2007 21:09:08] <giesen> yeah
[05-Feb-2007 21:09:12] <giesen> I think it was cause I did a reboot
[05-Feb-2007 21:09:17] <giesen> and the date was off on the machine
[05-Feb-2007 21:09:19] <giesen> I corrected the date
[05-Feb-2007 21:09:33] <giesen> and now it's complaining that the last update was in the future
[05-Feb-2007 21:09:40] <giesen> so Ive got to wait for the date to catch up
[05-Feb-2007 21:21:49] <monrad> ah
[05-Feb-2007 21:22:15] <monrad> i have had som graphs with minus mb/sec :)
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[06-Feb-2007 09:23:05] <giesen> Can anyone help with a problem
[06-Feb-2007 09:23:09] <giesen> my graphs aren't updating
[06-Feb-2007 09:23:17] <giesen> Im getting notifications, and it's definitely reading the snmp values
[06-Feb-2007 09:23:23] <giesen> just not updating the graphs
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[07-Feb-2007 05:03:45] <djm56> Hello my name is Donovan I am new to Linux, Zenoss and even IRC and I have a few questions is there anyone who can help me?
[07-Feb-2007 05:27:17] <djm56> I am sure everyone must be asleep in this room, being in a different timezone may be the problem, I am all the way from South Africa
[07-Feb-2007 05:27:25] <djm56> Here is my question?
[07-Feb-2007 05:27:58] <djm56> I need some help with Syslogagent zensyslog and port 514 do not know where to start and get it to work?
[07-Feb-2007 05:28:33] <djm56> the help file and admin pdf really dont offer any help, just need the commands and procedures to setup correctly
[07-Feb-2007 05:29:04] <djm56> I will leave IRC on and view answers tomorrow may be asleep when you awake thanks in advance
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[07-Feb-2007 19:44:46] <MrProper_> why doesnt zenoss do events for host down (ie icmp fails)
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[07-Feb-2007 22:37:31] <MrProper_> anyone here done nagios plugins with zenoss?
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[07-Feb-2007 23:51:44] <djm56> as any one here
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[08-Feb-2007 03:38:56] <BeH0LDeR> anyone awake?
[08-Feb-2007 03:43:05] <BeH0LDeR> I'll be away from keys but qould like to know if there are any issues installing on centos4.4 with the instruction for centos4.3 on the web site. I'm getting install errors and zenoss will not start up... errors like /opt/zenoss/bin/zeoctl: No such file or directory etc.
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[08-Feb-2007 23:12:12] <MrProper_> greetings all
[08-Feb-2007 23:12:28] <MrProper_> can anyone tell me how to change a devices rrd template?
[08-Feb-2007 23:12:58] <MrProper_> it seems like you can only take a local copy of the default one, but not select another one you have created from the default
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[09-Feb-2007 00:18:02] <_lunix_> MrProper_ setup a zen alert to sms you when this chanel is alive
[09-Feb-2007 00:18:03] <_lunix_> LOL
[09-Feb-2007 00:18:24] <MrProper_> lol
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[09-Feb-2007 05:03:02] <rabbit7> hey there .. i get following error message when trying to install the zenoss rpm on a centos nstalling package zenoss-1.1.0-2 needs 15MB on the / filesystem
[09-Feb-2007 05:03:11] <rabbit7> i have of course 15 mb space
[09-Feb-2007 09:16:58] <rabbit7> anyone online ?
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[09-Feb-2007 13:09:19] <Bilco105> Hi
[09-Feb-2007 13:09:27] <monrad> hi
[09-Feb-2007 13:09:39] <Bilco105> When using events, is there a way to print the component?
[09-Feb-2007 13:10:02] <monrad> i dont know
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[09-Feb-2007 16:32:01] <rhester> Anyone awake? I just did a fresh install of 1.1 and have a simple-and-stupid problem.
[09-Feb-2007 16:44:12] <monrad> what?
[09-Feb-2007 16:44:55] <rhester> Fresh install, get the following any time I try to move an event to history:
[09-Feb-2007 16:44:58] <rhester> Zenoss Error
[09-Feb-2007 16:44:58] <rhester> An error was encountered while publishing this resource. Please use the form below to submit details of this error to Zenoss, Inc.
[09-Feb-2007 16:44:58] <rhester> Type: OperationalError
[09-Feb-2007 16:44:58] <rhester> Value: (1136, "Column count doesn't match value count at row 1")
[09-Feb-2007 16:44:58] <rhester> Traceback (innermost last):
[09-Feb-2007 16:44:59] <rhester> * Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 114, in publish
[09-Feb-2007 16:45:01] <rhester> * Module ZPublisher.mapply, line 88, in mapply
[09-Feb-2007 16:45:03] <rhester> * Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 40, in call_object
[09-Feb-2007 16:45:05] <rhester> * Module Products.ZenModel.EventView, line 100, in manage_deleteEvents
[09-Feb-2007 16:45:07] <rhester> * Module Products.ZenEvents.EventManagerBase, line 1049, in manage_deleteEvents
[09-Feb-2007 16:45:09] <rhester> * Module Products.ZenEvents.EventManagerBase, line 1039, in deleteEvents
[09-Feb-2007 16:45:11] <rhester> * Module Products.ZenEvents.EventManagerBase, line 1017, in updateEvents
[09-Feb-2007 16:45:13] <rhester> * Module MySQLdb.cursors, line 137, in execute
[09-Feb-2007 16:45:15] <rhester> * Module MySQLdb.connections, line 33, in defaulterrorhandler
[09-Feb-2007 16:45:17] <rhester> OperationalError: (1136, "Column count doesn't match value count at row 1")
[09-Feb-2007 16:45:21] <rhester> Clearly, there's a missing column in the events table, but hell if I can find it.
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[09-Feb-2007 16:56:23] <rhester> NM, found it I think:
[09-Feb-2007 16:56:23] <rhester> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/changeset/3962
[09-Feb-2007 16:56:31] <adytum-bot> Title: Changeset 3962 - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
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[10-Feb-2007 00:15:31] -adytum-bot- New Blog/News Feed: Advogato blog for oubiwann - Ben Harper - 30 Jan, 02:11AM
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[10-Feb-2007 09:45:04] <Bilco105_> hello
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[11-Feb-2007 00:16:10] -adytum-bot- New Blog/News Feed: Advogato blog for oubiwann - Ben Harper - 30 Jan, 02:11AM
[11-Feb-2007 00:16:11] -adytum-bot- http://www.advogato.org/person/oubiwann/diary.html?start=128
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[11-Feb-2007 17:23:44] <MrProper_> morning all
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[12-Feb-2007 00:16:45] -adytum-bot- New Blog/News Feed: Advogato blog for oubiwann - Ben Harper - 30 Jan, 02:11AM
[12-Feb-2007 00:16:46] -adytum-bot- http://www.advogato.org/person/oubiwann/diary.html?start=128
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[12-Feb-2007 03:45:11] <foo> Hello
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[12-Feb-2007 06:44:14] <chrisw> hi everyone, I am very new to zenoss and am prototyping a replacement to an existing nagios and cacti setup. I am in the process of getting nagios plugins to work with zenoss and it appears that the plugin is running, but either the formatting codes are incorrect to get the data into rrd graphs or some other bit of magic going wrong. Does anyone here know of a reasonable guide available or have any pointers?
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[12-Feb-2007 10:57:40] <BeH0LDeR> anyone around?
[12-Feb-2007 10:58:40] <BeH0LDeR> getting "Unable to find python build environment" building from source on debian... followed install as best as I can.. anyone help?
[12-Feb-2007 10:58:57] <creiht> BeH0LDeR: Pure Debian or Ubuntu?
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[12-Feb-2007 10:59:43] <BeH0LDeR> pure
[12-Feb-2007 10:59:48] <creiht> Actually either one, you need the python-dev package
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[12-Feb-2007 11:00:14] <BeH0LDeR> let me check to see
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[12-Feb-2007 11:02:02] <BeH0LDeR> apt-get install python-dev = The following packages have unmet dependencies: python-dev: Depends: python2.3-dev (>= 2.3.4-18) but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages
[12-Feb-2007 11:02:05] <BeH0LDeR> ?
[12-Feb-2007 11:03:13] <creiht> BeH0LDeR: Sounds like you have some broken packages... Though I can not remember the command to run to fix them
[12-Feb-2007 11:03:17] <BeH0LDeR> errr
[12-Feb-2007 11:03:20] <BeH0LDeR> hold up
[12-Feb-2007 11:03:22] <BeH0LDeR> one sec
[12-Feb-2007 11:04:08] <BeH0LDeR> question.. cna I use 2.4? or does it need to be 2.3?
[12-Feb-2007 11:04:30] <BeH0LDeR> python that is
[12-Feb-2007 11:04:39] <creiht> I would say 2.4 is preferred :)
[12-Feb-2007 11:04:46] <creiht> Though it is supposed to work with 2.3
[12-Feb-2007 11:05:46] <creiht> Note that I don't officially speak for Zenoss... I'm just a happy user :)
[12-Feb-2007 11:05:50] <BeH0LDeR> k.. one more sec.. trying to fix
[12-Feb-2007 11:06:13] <BeH0LDeR> it fine.. you already helped when you said python-dev
[12-Feb-2007 11:09:11] <BeH0LDeR> thanks.. fixed it now its giving me an error about not having mysql dev
[12-Feb-2007 11:11:50] <chrisw> please ignore my comment from earlier, I have figured out the correct syntax now and have nagios plugins providing data into rrd graphs - sorry for the interuption :)
[12-Feb-2007 11:14:25] <BeH0LDeR> is libmysqlclient14-dev right for mysql5?
[12-Feb-2007 11:15:20] <creiht> BeH0LDeR: I just found this:
[12-Feb-2007 11:15:21] <creiht> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/DebianSarge
[12-Feb-2007 11:15:28] <adytum-bot> Title: DebianSarge - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[12-Feb-2007 11:15:47] <creiht> Not sure if you are running sarge or not, but it at least should help you figure out what packages to install
[12-Feb-2007 11:16:10] <BeH0LDeR> thanks
[12-Feb-2007 11:16:13] <BeH0LDeR> looking now
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[12-Feb-2007 11:30:54] <BeH0LDeR> that wiki needs to be edited because a few things are not writen properly but it helped.. says its installing
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[12-Feb-2007 11:38:48] <creiht> BeH0LDeR: If you have a moment I think you can make changes to the page, or send suggestions to the mailing list
[12-Feb-2007 11:38:52] <dyngnosis> anyone alive? I've got a quick question about monitoring WMI services using Zenoss...
[12-Feb-2007 11:39:39] <dyngnosis> I'm just wondering if it is it agentless... I'm working on reversing the protocol and don't want to re-do work thats already been done
[12-Feb-2007 11:46:26] <BeH0LDeR> understandable... I'm in the middle of installing and from what I believe it uses a plug in... wait and see if someone else is alive in here
[12-Feb-2007 11:50:39] <BeH0LDeR> anyone in here know a bit about openwbem?
[12-Feb-2007 11:51:39] <BeH0LDeR> heard of it maybe
[12-Feb-2007 12:02:44] <BeH0LDeR> its working
[12-Feb-2007 12:43:15] <foo> Hm, no one was at SCALE5x by any chance representing this project, were they?
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[12-Feb-2007 13:35:58] <creiht> foo: I think they were supposed to be
[12-Feb-2007 13:36:30] <foo> they were
[12-Feb-2007 13:36:34] <foo> Just wondering if anyone is here
[12-Feb-2007 13:40:36] <BeH0LDeR> back
[12-Feb-2007 13:41:31] <BeH0LDeR> I wish someone would come out with an opensource cim (front-end) for openwbem
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[12-Feb-2007 14:01:10] <robbiev> How can I get access to the zenoss xml-rpc interface? Does it support device status? I would like to write a script to provide me desktop alerts.
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[12-Feb-2007 17:00:36] <cappaberra> hey there... I've got a zenmib question... I've read the FAQ tried it a bunch of times, but I'm still having dependency issues with the standard mibs for SNMPv1.
[12-Feb-2007 17:00:41] <cappaberra> can anyone offer some help?
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[12-Feb-2007 17:27:18] <cappaberra> is there anyone alive in this channel? :)
[12-Feb-2007 17:51:57] * foo slaps cappaberra
[12-Feb-2007 17:56:49] <cappaberra> hey there foo
[12-Feb-2007 17:58:43] * cappaberra slaps zenoss .. "won't you just work?!"
[12-Feb-2007 18:00:55] <foo> I haven't used it yet, just heard about it at this conference I went to the past weekend
[12-Feb-2007 18:02:39] <cappaberra> ah ok
[12-Feb-2007 18:03:04] <cappaberra> well, if you have problems with zenmib, let me know... I'm slowly becoming an expert :P
[12-Feb-2007 18:04:18] <creiht> cappaberra: I think most of us here are in a similar situation as you
[12-Feb-2007 18:04:31] <creiht> The devs don't hang out here much anymore
[12-Feb-2007 18:07:46] <cappaberra> that's ok... has anyone figured it out?
[12-Feb-2007 18:08:00] <cappaberra> I'm reading through lots of posts to the mailing list
[12-Feb-2007 18:08:29] <creiht> cappaberra: What exact errors/problems are you running in to?
[12-Feb-2007 18:09:03] <cappaberra> I'm trying to "compile" SNMPv2-TC-V1SMI.my
[12-Feb-2007 18:09:13] <cappaberra> here's the problem..
[12-Feb-2007 18:09:13] <creiht> ahhh
[12-Feb-2007 18:09:31] <creiht> I'm afraid I have yet to do anything like that
[12-Feb-2007 18:09:44] <cappaberra> zenmib run SNMPv2-TC-V1SMI.my generates this:
[12-Feb-2007 18:09:44] <cappaberra> INFO:zen.zenmib:Unable to find a file providing the MIB SNMPv2-SMI-v1
[12-Feb-2007 18:09:44] <cappaberra> sh: line 1: 30133 Segmentation fault smidump -fpython "SNMPv2-TC-V1SMI.my" 2>/dev/null
[12-Feb-2007 18:09:44] <cappaberra> ERROR:zen.zenmib:Failed to load mib: SNMPv2-TC-V1SMI.my
[12-Feb-2007 18:10:17] <cappaberra> basically, it means that it can't find the SNMPv2-SMI-V1SMI.my definitions
[12-Feb-2007 18:10:43] <cappaberra> so, I go into the zenoss web interface and delete all instances of the empty MIB trees and try these two commands:
[12-Feb-2007 18:11:17] <cappaberra> zenmib run SNMPv2-SMI-V1SMI.my
[12-Feb-2007 18:11:22] <cappaberra> zenmib run SNMPv2-TC-V1SMI.my
[12-Feb-2007 18:11:59] <cappaberra> (from inside $ZENHOME/share/mibs/site)
[12-Feb-2007 18:12:35] <cappaberra> the first zenmib works perfectly, since it has no dependencies, but the -TC- mib file fails since it depends on the -SMI- one
[12-Feb-2007 18:13:39] <cappaberra> so, I read a post on the mailing list about this and one person had success with adding dependencies with as arguments to zenmib, but it didn't work for me.... :( like this: zenmib run SNMPv2-SMI-V1SMI.my SNMPv2-TC-V1SMI.my
[12-Feb-2007 18:13:45] <cappaberra> so, that's where I'm at. :-\
[12-Feb-2007 19:03:39] <cappaberra> ok, figured out one thing...
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[12-Feb-2007 19:29:52] <BeH0LDeR> why is it that I feel zenoss has issues? I got throught the install and now Its just acting buggy
[12-Feb-2007 19:32:23] <BeH0LDeR> anyone want to help someone out using zenoss on debian?
[12-Feb-2007 19:34:09] <BeH0LDeR> what does the error 2/2 mean?
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[12-Feb-2007 20:10:12] <cappaberra> BeH0LDeR: the "error 2/2" means you've ack'd two traps of type "error"... I think.
[12-Feb-2007 20:10:34] <cappaberra> if it was 0/2, it means you haven't acknowledged either of the 2 traps
[12-Feb-2007 20:23:36] <BeH0LDeR> how do you clear the events?
[12-Feb-2007 20:25:31] <cappaberra> I think if you just view the event, it "clears" it
[12-Feb-2007 20:25:47] <cappaberra> or, you might have to actually do something to do that... I don't remember.
[12-Feb-2007 20:25:51] * cappaberra is new at this stuff too :P
[12-Feb-2007 20:25:56] <BeH0LDeR> k
[12-Feb-2007 20:29:32] <BeH0LDeR> what source did you install from? the downloads off there page or the currect build
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[12-Feb-2007 20:30:43] <BeH0LDeR> their
[12-Feb-2007 20:31:56] <BeH0LDeR> cappaberra
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[12-Feb-2007 20:33:37] <cappaberra> I used the VM appliance
[12-Feb-2007 20:36:08] <BeH0LDeR> err
[12-Feb-2007 20:36:31] <cappaberra> I used the downloads
[12-Feb-2007 20:36:36] <cappaberra> v1.1.0 I think
[12-Feb-2007 20:37:42] <BeH0LDeR> wish I had someone trying to install from source
[12-Feb-2007 20:37:56] <BeH0LDeR> I'm about to give up for tonight
[12-Feb-2007 20:38:03] <cappaberra> heh, I feel the same :P
[12-Feb-2007 20:49:00] <BeH0LDeR> cappaberra your pm
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[13-Feb-2007 00:17:27] -adytum-bot- New Blog/News Feed: Advogato blog for oubiwann - Ben Harper - 30 Jan, 02:11AM
[13-Feb-2007 00:17:28] -adytum-bot- http://www.advogato.org/person/oubiwann/diary.html?start=128
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[13-Feb-2007 15:29:02] <BeH0LDeR> anyone awake?
[13-Feb-2007 15:46:05] <dyngnosis> I am.. but I'm positive I cant help you :)
[13-Feb-2007 15:46:09] <dyngnosis> and welcome back ;)
[13-Feb-2007 16:42:41] <BeH0LDeR> lol
[13-Feb-2007 16:43:07] <BeH0LDeR> u ever used zabbix?
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[14-Feb-2007 12:08:43] <BrNKck> Got Zenoss Installed on an Ubuntu6.10 Edgy server; but I don't know haow to run the "update-rc.d zenoss 95
[14-Feb-2007 12:09:09] <BrNKck> Do I do this on the command line or does it go into the init.d script?
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[14-Feb-2007 12:43:06] <BrNKck> hi enots
[14-Feb-2007 12:43:17] <BrNKck> have you installed zenoss?
[14-Feb-2007 12:59:15] <BrNKck> how should I identify a Cisco multilayered switch; as a router or a switch?
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[14-Feb-2007 17:04:57] <BrNKck> is there anyone here to answer a question?
[14-Feb-2007 17:13:21] <creiht> BrNKck: Unfortunately the devs are not on much. Most of us here try to answer questions when we can. Unfortunately I haven't done much network device monitoring, so I can't be of much help.
[14-Feb-2007 17:42:35] <enots> BrNKck, define as router.
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[15-Feb-2007 19:45:58] <giesen> anyone alive that can help me with a perf problem
[15-Feb-2007 19:46:06] <giesen> for one of my boxes
[15-Feb-2007 19:46:18] <giesen> for laLoadInt5
[15-Feb-2007 19:46:27] <giesen> Ive set a threshold of 5 for a notification
[15-Feb-2007 19:46:36] <giesen> but the graph is showing 0
[15-Feb-2007 19:46:51] <giesen> and Im getting paged
[15-Feb-2007 19:46:54] <giesen> this is only on one machine
[15-Feb-2007 19:46:59] <giesen> works fine on everything else
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[16-Feb-2007 00:19:11] -adytum-bot- New Blog/News Feed: Advogato blog for oubiwann - Ben Harper - 30 Jan, 02:11AM
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[16-Feb-2007 10:32:16] <foor> is anyone around?
[16-Feb-2007 10:33:10] <foor> I'm having a problem installing zenoss from rpm on rhel4... basically, I've installed it, but when it tries to start, I get a *lot* of python import errors that the shared libraies in /opt/zenoss/lib/python don't exist
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[17-Feb-2007 07:37:59] <RickJ> hey everyone
[17-Feb-2007 07:41:37] <RickJ> I'm busy trying to intall zenoss on a freebsd 6.1 server and it keeps failing when trying to build build/nagios-plugins-1.4.5/Makefile
[17-Feb-2007 07:41:40] <RickJ> error 77
[17-Feb-2007 07:41:54] <RickJ> I checked the log files and I get this error:
[17-Feb-2007 07:41:54] <RickJ> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[17-Feb-2007 07:43:18] <RickJ> i've tried the fix by copying /usr/local/bin/gmake to /usr/make but it still gives the same error
[17-Feb-2007 07:44:13] <RickJ> also I can't seem to fin the config.log' file either
[17-Feb-2007 07:44:16] <RickJ> any ideas?
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[19-Feb-2007 10:05:49] <giesen> Anyone here that can help
[19-Feb-2007 10:06:01] <giesen> I'm getting zenping heartbeat failures all the time
[19-Feb-2007 10:06:08] <giesen> since moving to 1.1
[19-Feb-2007 10:25:15] <creiht> giesen: Check the log files and see what errors are showing up
[19-Feb-2007 10:25:33] <creiht> the will be in $ZENOSS/log
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[19-Feb-2007 13:42:11] <Aziraphale> Question: are zenpacks meant to supersede DC plugins?
[19-Feb-2007 14:55:17] <oubiwann> Aziraphale: I'm a bit out of the loop on zenpacks... been working on the community side of things for a while
[19-Feb-2007 14:55:45] <oubiwann> Erik's got some pretty cool stuff planned for zenpacks
[19-Feb-2007 14:56:04] <oubiwann> you should probably ping him on the mail list with that question, get him to talk about it a bit with folks
[19-Feb-2007 14:56:25] <creiht> oubiwann: !!!!
[19-Feb-2007 14:56:33] <oubiwann> creiht: hey, man!
[19-Feb-2007 14:56:34] <creiht> It's nice to see one of you guys around :)
[19-Feb-2007 14:56:37] <oubiwann> long time!
[19-Feb-2007 14:56:44] <oubiwann> yeah, we've been sooooo swamped :-)
[19-Feb-2007 14:56:49] <creiht> I'm sure
[19-Feb-2007 14:57:05] <creiht> Do you guys have any get togethers, or BOF type things planned for Zenoss?
[19-Feb-2007 14:57:06] <oubiwann> Aziraphale: for starters, check out this search on the dev site:
[19-Feb-2007 14:57:15] <oubiwann> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/search?q=zenpack&wiki=on&changeset=on&ticket=on
[19-Feb-2007 14:57:15] <adytum-bot> Title: Search Results - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[19-Feb-2007 14:58:03] <oubiwann> Aziraphale: in particular, http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/browser/trunk/inst/docs/ZenPackNotes.txt
[19-Feb-2007 14:58:03] <adytum-bot> Title: /trunk/inst/docs/ZenPackNotes.txt - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[19-Feb-2007 14:58:56] <oubiwann> creiht: if you're not too busy, would you be interested it test driving our community site?
[19-Feb-2007 14:59:10] <creiht> sure
[19-Feb-2007 14:59:14] <oubiwann> creiht: it's a first draft, done under enormous time contraints
[19-Feb-2007 14:59:21] <creiht> hehe
[19-Feb-2007 14:59:25] <oubiwann> but it's a start ;-)
[19-Feb-2007 14:59:50] <oubiwann> http://community.zenoss.com
[19-Feb-2007 15:00:01] <rusty> ... and the fun begins....
[19-Feb-2007 15:00:14] <oubiwann> heh
[19-Feb-2007 15:00:27] <oubiwann> Rusty's working on the blog right now, putting the top-nav in there
[19-Feb-2007 15:00:46] <rusty> hi creiht - duncan's done most of the work on the community site, but i "helped"... ;)
[19-Feb-2007 15:01:05] <rusty> i mean... oubiwann. :)
[19-Feb-2007 15:01:06] <creiht> *grins*
[19-Feb-2007 15:01:13] <creiht> nods... I know :)
[19-Feb-2007 15:01:20] <oubiwann> creiht: you gonna be ay pycon?
[19-Feb-2007 15:01:25] <creiht> yes
[19-Feb-2007 15:01:28] <oubiwann> sweet
[19-Feb-2007 15:01:34] <rusty> send your comments (good AND critical) to community@zenoss.com
[19-Feb-2007 15:01:45] <creiht> rusty: will do
[19-Feb-2007 15:01:55] <rusty> or post here... whatever easier!
[19-Feb-2007 15:02:07] <creiht> hrmmm.... for some reason http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki is not coming up
[19-Feb-2007 15:02:07] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[19-Feb-2007 15:02:10] <creiht> oh there it goes
[19-Feb-2007 15:02:13] <oubiwann> try it again...
[19-Feb-2007 15:02:15] <oubiwann> yeah
[19-Feb-2007 15:02:15] <creiht> just took a while for some reason
[19-Feb-2007 15:02:23] <oubiwann> trac can be a little slot sometimes
[19-Feb-2007 15:02:50] <rusty> oubiwann - im stepping away to finish blog update... i'll check back in a few...
[19-Feb-2007 15:03:01] <oubiwann> rusty: coo
[19-Feb-2007 15:03:45] <oubiwann> creiht: the biggest part about this effort was *deeply* integrating LDAP into Plone and phpBB
[19-Feb-2007 15:04:17] <creiht> ahhh
[19-Feb-2007 15:04:27] <creiht> Yeah integrating LDAP with anything is fun :)
[19-Feb-2007 15:04:31] <oubiwann> with all of the LDAP work, I'm going to be able to write up a tutorial for Zenoss-LDAP integration
[19-Feb-2007 15:04:43] <creiht> That would be way cool
[19-Feb-2007 15:05:01] <oubiwann> I'm looking forward to it :-)
[19-Feb-2007 15:05:37] <creiht> Initial impression is the plone skin looks nice
[19-Feb-2007 15:06:04] <creiht> Its a bit weird that many of the menu items take me to a different site
[19-Feb-2007 15:06:16] <creiht> (blog, wiki)
[19-Feb-2007 15:07:18] <creiht> If I join the community
[19-Feb-2007 15:07:24] <creiht> but I am already on the mailing lists
[19-Feb-2007 15:07:53] <creiht> Do I just leave the subscription boxes unchecked?
[19-Feb-2007 15:09:20] <rusty> creiht: this is one of the issues we are working on - lets see what oubiwann has to say...
[19-Feb-2007 15:09:23] <creiht> oubiwann: And I like the idea of having a Forum. But will it be a bit weird trying to keep up with both a forum and mailing list?
[19-Feb-2007 15:09:38] <rusty> creiht: they are bridged
[19-Feb-2007 15:09:45] <creiht> oh cool
[19-Feb-2007 15:09:48] <rusty> post to one and it goes to both
[19-Feb-2007 15:09:51] <creiht> That rocks :)
[19-Feb-2007 15:09:57] <rusty> participate in your choice or bounce between them
[19-Feb-2007 15:10:06] <rusty> doesn't matter
[19-Feb-2007 15:10:28] <rusty> the search in the forum will be VERY handy, as will sticky posts for common issues.
[19-Feb-2007 15:10:52] <oubiwann> creiht: the subscriptions thing is a bit tricky
[19-Feb-2007 15:11:08] <creiht> rusty: yes
[19-Feb-2007 15:11:27] <oubiwann> creiht: mailman identifies users by email address only
[19-Feb-2007 15:11:46] <oubiwann> so if you sign up for the community with a different email address, there won't be any impact
[19-Feb-2007 15:12:12] <oubiwann> creiht: however, if you sign up with the same email address that's in mailman, it will search to see if it can find you there
[19-Feb-2007 15:12:40] <oubiwann> creiht: if it finds you, and you leave the boxes unchecked, it will set your mail preference to "don't receive"
[19-Feb-2007 15:12:54] <oubiwann> that's how it stands right now
[19-Feb-2007 15:13:07] <creiht> hehe... ok so I should check them then, since I will be using the same email address?
[19-Feb-2007 15:13:18] <oubiwann> that's what I would do for now
[19-Feb-2007 15:13:27] <creiht> will do
[19-Feb-2007 15:13:35] <creiht> Is LDAP tied into Trac as well?
[19-Feb-2007 15:13:42] <oubiwann> we're going to add more sophisticated logic to the registration process
[19-Feb-2007 15:13:50] <oubiwann> creiht: not yet, but that's next on the list
[19-Feb-2007 15:14:09] <oubiwann> we will be granting access to trac via LDAP groups
[19-Feb-2007 15:14:20] <creiht> cool
[19-Feb-2007 15:14:44] <oubiwann> actually, in Fedora Directory Server, we're using Virtual Views, not groups... but that's a technical quibble ;-)
[19-Feb-2007 15:14:44] <creiht> hrmmm... when I try to register with my gmail address, I get:
[19-Feb-2007 15:14:52] <creiht> We were unable to send your password to your email address: (111, 'Connection refused')
[19-Feb-2007 15:14:58] <oubiwann> doh!
[19-Feb-2007 15:15:00] <oubiwann> thanks!
[19-Feb-2007 15:15:02] <creiht> np
[19-Feb-2007 15:15:03] <oubiwann> we need to update the mail host
[19-Feb-2007 15:16:13] <oubiwann> try it again
[19-Feb-2007 15:17:15] <creiht> ok that seems to have worked
[19-Feb-2007 15:17:26] <oubiwann> cool, I see you in LDAP ;-)
[19-Feb-2007 15:19:39] <creiht> oubiwann: Hmm the confirmation email is a bit odd
[19-Feb-2007 15:19:43] <creiht> It's titled
[19-Feb-2007 15:19:49] <creiht> Postal Membership Information
[19-Feb-2007 15:19:53] <creiht> and from
[19-Feb-2007 15:20:05] <creiht> postmaster@localhost.lga2.us.voxel.net
[19-Feb-2007 15:20:44] <creiht> The welcome message just says
[19-Feb-2007 15:20:53] <creiht> Welcome,
[19-Feb-2007 15:20:53] <creiht> You have been registered as a member of Community,
[19-Feb-2007 15:20:53] <creiht> which allows you to personalize your view of the website and participate in
[19-Feb-2007 15:20:53] <creiht> the community. Please activate your account by visiting
[19-Feb-2007 15:20:57] <creiht> With my link
[19-Feb-2007 15:21:13] <creiht> The only thing that identifies it as coming from Zenoss is the link
[19-Feb-2007 15:21:20] <creiht> It also is signed
[19-Feb-2007 15:21:25] <creiht> With Kinds regards,
[19-Feb-2007 15:21:29] <creiht> but then no name
[19-Feb-2007 15:21:47] <oubiwann> yeah, that's on Rusty's todo
[19-Feb-2007 15:22:11] <oubiwann> he asked me about hacking that template a couple days ago
[19-Feb-2007 15:22:18] <creiht> cool
[19-Feb-2007 15:22:29] <creiht> I am able to log in now though
[19-Feb-2007 15:22:37] <oubiwann> awesome
[19-Feb-2007 15:23:54] <creiht> If I go into the Forums should it log me in automatically?
[19-Feb-2007 15:24:03] <creiht> Or do I need to log in again
[19-Feb-2007 15:24:16] <oubiwann> nah, we don't have single sign-on yet
[19-Feb-2007 15:24:17] <rusty> creiht: for now, log in again... single sign on is still down the road
[19-Feb-2007 15:24:24] <creiht> cool
[19-Feb-2007 15:24:25] <oubiwann> that's a phase 2 dealie
[19-Feb-2007 15:24:26] <creiht> no biggie
[19-Feb-2007 15:24:28] <creiht> hehe
[19-Feb-2007 15:24:30] <rusty> you can have it remember you
[19-Feb-2007 15:24:55] <creiht> rusty: right... but SSO will be nice :)
[19-Feb-2007 15:25:10] <rusty> the "zenoss-users" forum is a live link, so dont post "tests" but feel free to post a real message when/if you have one.
[19-Feb-2007 15:25:28] <creiht> Will do
[19-Feb-2007 15:25:48] <rusty> creiht: you are right - it will be nice, but my gut is that it will be more of a PITA than LDAP was/is...
[19-Feb-2007 15:26:16] <creiht> heheh
[19-Feb-2007 15:26:18] <creiht> yes it will :)
[19-Feb-2007 15:27:23] <rusty> back in 10min
[19-Feb-2007 15:28:42] <oubiwann> we're looking at using mod_auth_tkt for apache for SSO
[19-Feb-2007 15:30:54] <creiht> oubiwann: Interesting... I haven't seen that one before... Let me know how it goes when you guys get around to it :)
[19-Feb-2007 15:31:03] <oubiwann> you bet
[19-Feb-2007 15:31:11] <creiht> Our SSO is built into the apps... A bit of a pain, but it works :)
[19-Feb-2007 15:31:16] <oubiwann> the CEO is really pushing for it, so it's at the top of our list
[19-Feb-2007 15:33:21] <creiht> oubiwann: Well that's all I have time for now :)
[19-Feb-2007 15:33:28] <creiht> Overall it is looking good though
[19-Feb-2007 15:33:30] <oubiwann> cool man -- thanks so much!
[19-Feb-2007 15:33:40] <creiht> np
[19-Feb-2007 15:33:45] <creiht> Glad to be of some help :)
[19-Feb-2007 15:37:33] <rusty> creiht: just wanted to say thanks also... appreciate the help... future input/comments etc. can be sent to community@zenoss.com (or oubiwann!) :)
[19-Feb-2007 15:38:05] <creiht> rusty: I just usually annoy edahl :)
[19-Feb-2007 15:39:47] <oubiwann> hahaha
[19-Feb-2007 16:23:59] <giesen> wooo
[19-Feb-2007 16:24:04] <giesen> 3 new servers for me to play with
[19-Feb-2007 16:24:10] <giesen> I just wish zenoss would get unbroken :/
[19-Feb-2007 16:24:57] <giesen> I should probably take the time to write up a ticket
[19-Feb-2007 16:54:08] <oubiwann> giesen: that's a *really* good idea :-)
[19-Feb-2007 16:54:18] <oubiwann> ticketness is excellent
[19-Feb-2007 16:54:29] <giesen> it's kinda minor
[19-Feb-2007 16:54:31] <giesen> basically
[19-Feb-2007 16:54:35] <giesen> on my perf graph
[19-Feb-2007 16:54:39] <giesen> I set a threshold
[19-Feb-2007 16:54:52] <giesen> and instead of the proper threshold appearing on the graph
[19-Feb-2007 16:55:58] <giesen> it says 0 > laLoadInt5 > 0
[19-Feb-2007 16:56:07] <giesen> when it should be 1 > laLoadInt5 > 5
[19-Feb-2007 16:56:20] <giesen> erm
[19-Feb-2007 16:56:23] <giesen> something like that
[19-Feb-2007 16:57:59] <giesen> laloadInt > 0 laloadInt > 0
[19-Feb-2007 16:58:04] <giesen> when it should be > 1 and > 5
[19-Feb-2007 16:58:54] <giesen> and the thresholds are broken
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[19-Feb-2007 17:16:29] <Aziraphale> oubiwann: ahhh
[19-Feb-2007 17:16:39] <Aziraphale> nice one, thanks
[19-Feb-2007 17:16:42] <oubiwann> Aziraphale: did those links help?
[19-Feb-2007 17:16:44] <oubiwann> cool :-)
[19-Feb-2007 17:16:58] <monrad> i seems that there is a max around 45.000-60.000 rrd files
[19-Feb-2007 17:17:52] <monrad> according to tobi
[19-Feb-2007 17:20:25] <Aziraphale> oubiwann: was planning for the longest time to write a DC plugin for juniper routers
[19-Feb-2007 17:20:45] <Aziraphale> so maybe a zenpack - once I know how - could be the better idea
[19-Feb-2007 17:20:52] <monrad> Dc plugin?
[19-Feb-2007 17:20:58] <Aziraphale> data collector
[19-Feb-2007 17:21:01] <monrad> ah
[19-Feb-2007 17:21:16] <monrad> we are thinking about doing a zenpack for Allied telesis switches
[19-Feb-2007 17:22:20] <giesen> as in 45 thousand rrd files?
[19-Feb-2007 17:22:24] <monrad> yes
[19-Feb-2007 17:22:27] <giesen> ah
[19-Feb-2007 17:22:31] <monrad> we got a couple of switches :)
[19-Feb-2007 17:22:34] <giesen> probably wont hit that for a little of while
[19-Feb-2007 17:22:47] <giesen> I've only got about a hundred devices or so
[19-Feb-2007 17:22:50] <monrad> i hit that with only 1/3 of all our switches
[19-Feb-2007 17:22:54] <giesen> but I havent added any switches yet
[19-Feb-2007 17:23:10] <giesen> we've got a dozen or so cisco 2848s kicking around
[19-Feb-2007 17:23:27] <giesen> do you actually graph every port?
[19-Feb-2007 17:23:35] <monrad> not right now
[19-Feb-2007 17:23:38] <monrad> but i would like to
[19-Feb-2007 17:23:49] <Aziraphale> hmm, that must be a fair bit of snmp traffic
[19-Feb-2007 17:24:06] <giesen> I dont really seen the point
[19-Feb-2007 17:24:14] <giesen> that's better left for something like cacti
[19-Feb-2007 17:24:26] <Aziraphale> same limitation though
[19-Feb-2007 17:24:33] <giesen> it's not like you're gonna pull billing information out of zenoss
[19-Feb-2007 17:24:37] <Aziraphale> cacti uses RRDtool too
[19-Feb-2007 17:24:41] <giesen> yeah I know
[19-Feb-2007 17:24:45] <giesen> =)
[19-Feb-2007 17:24:57] <giesen> no reason you couldnt run a couple instances of rrdtool
[19-Feb-2007 17:25:03] <giesen> that would work around the limitation
[19-Feb-2007 17:25:04] <Aziraphale> RTG for billing info
[19-Feb-2007 17:25:10] <giesen> RTG's nice
[19-Feb-2007 17:25:15] <giesen> although I havent found a good interface for it
[19-Feb-2007 17:25:17] <monrad> well RTG?
[19-Feb-2007 17:25:18] <creiht> monrad: What limits it? Filesystem?
[19-Feb-2007 17:25:20] <Aziraphale> dunno what mysqls limits are in that respect though ;)
[19-Feb-2007 17:25:32] <giesen> Im sure mysql scales much better than rrd
[19-Feb-2007 17:26:01] <monrad> creiht: http://oss.oetiker.ch/rrdtool-trac/wiki/RRDaccelerator <- read the problem part
[19-Feb-2007 17:26:01] <adytum-bot> Title: RRDaccelerator - RRDtool Trac - Trac (at oss.oetiker.ch)
[19-Feb-2007 17:26:01] <giesen> creiht: probably number of open file handles or something
[19-Feb-2007 17:26:02] <monrad> well tobi is working on a fix for it
[19-Feb-2007 17:26:02] <creiht> We had a problem with EXT3 a while back
[19-Feb-2007 17:26:10] <giesen> uh
[19-Feb-2007 17:26:14] <creiht> With just the number of files in a folder
[19-Feb-2007 17:26:16] <giesen> am I the only one
[19-Feb-2007 17:26:22] <giesen> that the page shows up white for?
[19-Feb-2007 17:26:31] <monrad> it works for me
[19-Feb-2007 17:26:53] <monrad> creiht: no i have the files in the normal zenoss folder structur
[19-Feb-2007 17:27:23] <creiht> interesting
[19-Feb-2007 17:27:47] <monrad> we are thinking about writing our own cache layer between zenoss and the rrd files
[19-Feb-2007 17:27:54] <Aziraphale> doesn't the file system do that anyway?
[19-Feb-2007 17:28:13] <creiht> monrad: It might be better to distribute the collectors
[19-Feb-2007 17:28:26] <creiht> And spend the time developing a Zenoss aggregator :)
[19-Feb-2007 17:28:41] <monrad> well now i got my shiny SAN access
[19-Feb-2007 17:28:44] <monrad> :)
[19-Feb-2007 17:29:07] <monrad> and its hard to get allocated servers right now
[19-Feb-2007 17:30:26] <monrad> snmp version 2 is nice it shaved 1/5 off the total collection time
[19-Feb-2007 17:30:44] <Aziraphale> I might be wrong here but this looks like caching-on-top-of-caching to me
[19-Feb-2007 17:30:57] <monrad> Aziraphale: ?
[19-Feb-2007 17:31:06] <Aziraphale> the RRD accelerator
[19-Feb-2007 17:31:57] <Aziraphale> I mean if it flushes to file all that'll happen is that it gets buffered again by the FS and flushed when the fs finds the time...
[19-Feb-2007 17:32:22] <Aziraphale> sounds like a recipe for file corruption to me ;)
[19-Feb-2007 17:32:46] <Aziraphale> IANAFSD
[19-Feb-2007 17:33:08] <monrad> but believe me that limit is quite real :)
[19-Feb-2007 17:33:45] <Aziraphale> what sort of network do you have that can sustain that many snmp collects?
[19-Feb-2007 17:34:03] <Aziraphale> (within a reasonable time frame)
[19-Feb-2007 17:36:06] <giesen> depends how often he's polling
[19-Feb-2007 17:36:12] <monrad> when i got to 330 switches it did not use the network very much
[19-Feb-2007 17:36:32] <giesen> we polled every minute at my last job
[19-Feb-2007 17:36:39] <giesen> because if we polled any less than that
[19-Feb-2007 17:36:52] <giesen> the counter would roll over between polls
[19-Feb-2007 17:36:53] <monrad> but i guess i have 1 gigabit minimium to all the swiches
[19-Feb-2007 17:36:56] <monrad> :)
[19-Feb-2007 17:37:29] <creiht> monrad: Is it a problem of the number of files, or of bandwidth?
[19-Feb-2007 17:37:46] <monrad> number of files i guess
[19-Feb-2007 17:37:49] <giesen> snmp doesn take that much bandwidth
[19-Feb-2007 17:38:27] <monrad> but i am not going to snmp poll all the customer equipment
[19-Feb-2007 17:38:29] <creiht> monrad: Could you partition the san and spread the rrd's accross several partitions?
[19-Feb-2007 17:38:42] <monrad> that would be overkill
[19-Feb-2007 17:39:44] <monrad> creiht: i am not sure that is the problem as tobi writes if you gather the information in 10 rrd files it would not be a problem
[19-Feb-2007 17:39:55] <monrad> but no that is not an option right now
[19-Feb-2007 17:42:37] <Aziraphale> I think a db backend for that data would be the better concept
[19-Feb-2007 17:42:47] <Aziraphale> I never liked the averaging
[19-Feb-2007 17:43:04] <Aziraphale> makes it damn hard to keep historical data
[19-Feb-2007 17:43:23] <giesen> yeah
[19-Feb-2007 17:43:25] <giesen> at my last job
[19-Feb-2007 17:43:31] <giesen> we intentionally broke rrd/cacti
[19-Feb-2007 17:43:37] <giesen> to keep all historical data for a year
[19-Feb-2007 17:44:41] <monrad> we use rrdtool to keep full stats on our transit links
[19-Feb-2007 17:45:13] <monrad> each link is a 16 mb rrd file
[19-Feb-2007 17:45:24] <monrad> and there is no averaging there
[19-Feb-2007 17:45:58] <monrad> its nice to have some activity in this channel
[19-Feb-2007 17:46:26] <Aziraphale> monrad: is that a function of the original rrdtool or did you hack it?
[19-Feb-2007 17:46:37] <creiht> Aziraphale: There are two problems with using a DB backend
[19-Feb-2007 17:46:51] <creiht> 1. Most can't scale with the throughput of writes that are needed
[19-Feb-2007 17:47:17] <monrad> Aziraphale: its just using the right rrd create statements
[19-Feb-2007 17:47:17] <Aziraphale> creiht: yeah, write speed, I thought of that...
[19-Feb-2007 17:47:19] <creiht> 2. The growth of size would be huge
[19-Feb-2007 17:47:25] <creiht> That's why we have RRD
[19-Feb-2007 17:47:33] <creiht> It has those limitations for a reason :)
[19-Feb-2007 17:48:45] <Aziraphale> hmm, don't see size as that much of a problem any more
[19-Feb-2007 17:48:55] <Aziraphale> storage is right cheap these days
[19-Feb-2007 17:49:05] <creiht> Taht is true
[19-Feb-2007 17:49:05] <creiht> but
[19-Feb-2007 17:49:11] <Aziraphale> FS limitations could be a bugger there
[19-Feb-2007 17:49:21] <creiht> As your DB tables size increase, the performance decreases
[19-Feb-2007 17:49:40] <creiht> It adds up very quickly
[19-Feb-2007 17:49:49] <creiht> trust me... I have been down that road before :)
[19-Feb-2007 17:50:26] <Aziraphale> creiht: oh, ditto. and that was with in-memory tables
[19-Feb-2007 17:51:15] <creiht> Try storking bandwidth information for 20k devices :)
[19-Feb-2007 17:51:18] <creiht> err storing
[19-Feb-2007 17:52:12] <Aziraphale> only way to do it really is to flush the "current" tables to "history" tables a lot - nothing trivial
[19-Feb-2007 17:53:20] <Aziraphale> kind of what RRDtool does but without the averaging
[19-Feb-2007 18:04:38] <creiht> The other nice thing about RRD is you get a lot of nice graphing functionality for free
[19-Feb-2007 18:05:01] <creiht> And other tools that work on top of it
[19-Feb-2007 18:05:14] <creiht> Besides you can configure RRD to keep data as long as you want
[19-Feb-2007 18:05:16] <Aziraphale> true, true
[19-Feb-2007 18:06:04] <Aziraphale> apparently so. I wonder what that does to the graphs...
[19-Feb-2007 18:06:45] <creiht> I would expect the same
[19-Feb-2007 18:07:14] <creiht> Though you would be able to have more granularity
[19-Feb-2007 18:07:29] <creiht> I'm not sure what the RRD defaults are for Zenoss
[19-Feb-2007 18:08:14] <creiht> The nice thing about RRD is that you also know exactly how much disk space you need
[19-Feb-2007 18:10:33] <Aziraphale> downside is, once the file is created you're committed ;)
[19-Feb-2007 18:11:01] <creiht> hehe
[19-Feb-2007 18:11:12] <creiht> Like I said... you give some so that you can take some :)
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[20-Feb-2007 10:12:26] <rusty> mrhinkle: hi mark!
[20-Feb-2007 10:12:45] <mrhinkle> heya rusty
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[20-Feb-2007 10:25:09] <rusty> creiht: thanks for your help w/ the community site yesterday. when we get to SSO, would love to get some more of your input.
[20-Feb-2007 10:27:50] <creiht> rusty: No problem
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[20-Feb-2007 11:31:22] <jeg1972> Hi everyone
[20-Feb-2007 11:32:16] <jeg1972> Hi rusty
[20-Feb-2007 11:32:27] <jeg1972> Forums are looking good :-)
[20-Feb-2007 11:35:05] <rusty> jeg1972 - thanks! appreciate the feedback... I *love* the "read new messages since last visit" feature.
[20-Feb-2007 11:35:52] <jeg1972> Are you the guy who sorting out the Partner website as well?
[20-Feb-2007 11:36:14] <rusty> ive always preferred forums over mailing lists, but thats just my preference. the best part is with the bridge you can participate on either.
[20-Feb-2007 11:37:18] <rusty> jeg1972 - yes i'm part of the team involved in that project. (partner)
[20-Feb-2007 11:37:22] <creiht> Hmmm
[20-Feb-2007 11:37:29] <creiht> I jsut ran into an interesting scenario
[20-Feb-2007 11:37:31] <jeg1972> Yes, I've always preferred forums as well...
[20-Feb-2007 11:37:47] <creiht> I have a box with two ips, with different services running on each ip
[20-Feb-2007 11:38:01] <rusty> p.s. we are having some network issues here at HQ - so my reply may be delayed at times... :(
[20-Feb-2007 11:38:21] <creiht> I want to monitor all the services, but of course, zenoss only recognizes the services on the primary ip
[20-Feb-2007 11:38:41] <creiht> Is there a way I can have it monitor the other ip as well for that box?
[20-Feb-2007 11:39:58] <jeg1972> rusty - any idea when the partner site will be up? (I'm with the UK partner)
[20-Feb-2007 11:41:47] <rusty> jeg1972 - (john) no firm date yet - but it is a priority. please feel free to email me directly with suggestions ideas, etc.
[20-Feb-2007 11:41:53] <jeg1972> creiht - Windows or *nix?
[20-Feb-2007 11:41:58] <creiht> Unix
[20-Feb-2007 11:42:11] <jeg1972> Using SNMP or SSH?
[20-Feb-2007 11:42:14] <creiht> snmp
[20-Feb-2007 11:42:36] <creiht> I can add the other ip to monitor, but then it is polling the perf information twice
[20-Feb-2007 11:42:39] <jeg1972> rusty - Will do!
[20-Feb-2007 11:43:06] <creiht> It would be nice if there was a way to monitor multiple ips for a single device
[20-Feb-2007 11:43:41] <jeg1972> creicht - I'm sure I saw that being talked about in the mailing list a while back... let me have a look
[20-Feb-2007 11:44:03] <creiht> I was just about to search it as well... I'm searching through current tickets right now
[20-Feb-2007 11:44:19] <rusty> dont forget the new forum search... hehehe ;)
[20-Feb-2007 11:44:24] <creiht> hehe
[20-Feb-2007 11:44:29] <creiht> Will be a good test for it
[20-Feb-2007 11:44:30] <creiht> :)
[20-Feb-2007 11:44:30] <rusty> ive imported all the old posts
[20-Feb-2007 11:48:07] <rusty> if you folks want an avatar with your posts in the forum...
[20-Feb-2007 11:48:16] <rusty> log into the community site: community.zenoss.com
[20-Feb-2007 11:48:28] <rusty> select "preferences" in the upper right area
[20-Feb-2007 11:48:56] <rusty> choose personal preferences (from the page that loads)
[20-Feb-2007 11:49:17] <rusty> and then upload an image/avatar (portrait).
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[20-Feb-2007 11:52:12] <jeg1972> creiht - Sorry, nothing relevant :-( Couldn't even find anything in Trac either, but it's definitely a good question
[20-Feb-2007 11:52:18] <creiht> hehe
[20-Feb-2007 11:52:24] <creiht> Yeah I had teh same results
[20-Feb-2007 11:52:36] <creiht> I'm going to just have separate devices for both for now
[20-Feb-2007 11:52:39] <creiht> and submit a ticket
[20-Feb-2007 11:53:00] <creiht> Though... now I need to figure out how to get snmpd to bind to both ips :)
[20-Feb-2007 11:53:05] <jeg1972> yeah... not nice though is it? ;-)
[20-Feb-2007 11:53:36] <creiht> It's better than nothing though ;)
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[20-Feb-2007 11:57:11] <jeg1972> rusty - Search works wonderfully... pity nobody filled the forums with information I wanted :-)
[20-Feb-2007 11:57:43] <rusty> heh... i'm hoping that with the forums, will come a lot more community activity so that problem will go away! ;)
[20-Feb-2007 12:02:02] <jeg1972> You would hope that it has that effect... I always think that mailing lists work in the opposite way... almost like an exclusive gentlemans club, stopping collaboration rather than increasing it!
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[20-Feb-2007 12:06:07] <jeg1972> Do any of the other guys get on here? Drew for instance?
[20-Feb-2007 12:06:40] <rusty> jeg1972 - agreed. one of the best advantages of forums is that you can now read posts as an anonymous user - no need to "join" anything just to "lurk".
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[20-Feb-2007 12:07:03] <Aziraphale> can do that with the gmane news group bridge...
[20-Feb-2007 12:07:44] <creiht> hrmmmm
[20-Feb-2007 12:08:12] <creiht> I'm beginning to wonder if you can bind snmpd to more than the primary ip
[20-Feb-2007 12:08:45] <jeg1972> That doesn't help :-(
[20-Feb-2007 12:08:51] <rusty> jeg1972 - on occassion others are here - its actually been a recent topic of discussion. the issue is of course, time here does have some effect on development activity... so we are working on defining that balance. any input you want to share on that topic feel free to send to community@zenoss.com
[20-Feb-2007 12:08:51] <creiht> doh... nm... I think I might have found it
[20-Feb-2007 12:09:17] <creiht> I miss the good ole days when edahl hung out here :)
[20-Feb-2007 12:09:20] <rusty> Aziraphale - yup, that too was one option we looked at.
[20-Feb-2007 12:10:07] <Aziraphale> rusty: it's there, I use it for casual lurking
[20-Feb-2007 12:11:14] <rusty> so it is! (dooh!)
[20-Feb-2007 12:11:44] <jeg1972> rusty - There is one thing that you may or may not be able to do anything about... If you login at http://community.zenoss.com/ you have to login again in the forums
[20-Feb-2007 12:11:58] <rusty> jeg1972 - for now... yes.
[20-Feb-2007 12:12:05] <rusty> jeg1972 - "
[20-Feb-2007 12:12:44] <rusty> jeg1972 - an upcomming community release will include single sign on capabilitiy...
[20-Feb-2007 12:12:59] <rusty> but thats turning out to be a VERY tough nut to crack
[20-Feb-2007 12:13:48] <jeg1972> :-) But it wouldn't be as much fun if it were easy :-)
[20-Feb-2007 12:14:09] <rusty> ;)
[20-Feb-2007 12:14:56] <rusty> oh - the whole "experience" with LDAP integration was quite "fun"... check out oubiwan's last post on the blog... :)
[20-Feb-2007 12:15:24] <jeg1972> Anyway, I'm off home... will drop you a mail about a few things. Will probably be on here again tomorrow now that I know people are actually on here :-)
[20-Feb-2007 12:15:43] <rusty> have a nice evening!
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[20-Feb-2007 12:21:09] <creiht> Ah ha!
[20-Feb-2007 12:22:09] <creiht> Well if anyone is interested, you can bind snmpd to multiple ips with the agentaddress configuration setting
[20-Feb-2007 12:22:15] <creiht> on NET-SNMP that is
[20-Feb-2007 12:23:16] <rusty> creiht - i'll pass that on to our team here... im sure they would be interested!
[20-Feb-2007 12:24:37] <creiht> It appears that snmp by default will bind to all available interfaces, but if you have secondary ips for a single interface, it will not bind to those by default
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[20-Feb-2007 13:44:42] <Matt> hi guys
[20-Feb-2007 13:45:02] <Matt> anyone seen problems trying to collect data from ubuntu x86_64 machines via snmp?
[20-Feb-2007 13:45