IRC October 2007

[01-Oct-2007 00:00:14] [connected at Mon Oct 1 00:00:14 2007]
[01-Oct-2007 00:00:16] [zenoss-logger (logger bot) has joined #zenoss]
[01-Oct-2007 04:01:48] Tinozaure is now known as Tino
[01-Oct-2007 04:01:52] Tino is now known as Tinozaure
[01-Oct-2007 06:55:01] <m1r> morning all
[01-Oct-2007 08:28:17] <Folke> Anyone out there with problems with zenwin and checks on other subnets?
[01-Oct-2007 08:36:37] <Folke> and dying zenhub after that...
[01-Oct-2007 08:40:46] <m1r> i am still trying to get device in list :/
[01-Oct-2007 08:41:12] <m1r> any help is welcome
[01-Oct-2007 08:41:56] <Folke> did you use add device?
[01-Oct-2007 08:44:54] <m1r> yes
[01-Oct-2007 08:44:58] <m1r> but nothing shows up
[01-Oct-2007 08:45:16] <m1r> i tried with wget also
[01-Oct-2007 08:46:27] <m1r> no IP found for name siemens
[01-Oct-2007 08:46:55] <Freak> locationGeoMap only shows me one out of two devic locations (actually it shows me the first one I've entered) - is that a n error? shouldnt it show me both available devices?
[01-Oct-2007 08:47:36] <Freak> *device
[01-Oct-2007 08:51:26] <Folke> mlr: can you get name resolution from the zenoss server to the siemens server?
[01-Oct-2007 08:51:56] <m1r> folke, i can ping it
[01-Oct-2007 08:52:23] <m1r> siemens is dsl/router/AP
[01-Oct-2007 08:52:52] <Freak> try the IP address then
[01-Oct-2007 08:53:09] <m1r> thru managment/add device ?
[01-Oct-2007 08:53:57] <Freak> take Classes->Devices->Dropdown-Arrow->Manage->Add Device
[01-Oct-2007 08:54:36] <m1r> ok sec
[01-Oct-2007 08:57:19] <m1r> it was loading , and then left field blank
[01-Oct-2007 08:58:45] <m1r> dont work :/
[01-Oct-2007 09:00:12] <m1r> maybe i configured snmpconf wrong
[01-Oct-2007 09:02:48] <Folke> mlr: sry was afk..
[01-Oct-2007 09:03:05] <Folke> m1r: can you snmpwalk it?
[01-Oct-2007 09:04:07] <m1r> np, me too, making coffe :)
[01-Oct-2007 09:04:21] <m1r> snmpwalk , i just read about that option
[01-Oct-2007 09:04:38] <m1r> how could i use it ?
[01-Oct-2007 09:04:43] <m1r> snmpwalk IP ?
[01-Oct-2007 09:05:20] <m1r> snmpwalk 192.168.1.250
[01-Oct-2007 09:05:20] <m1r> snmpwalk: Timeout
[01-Oct-2007 09:06:43] <m1r> does that mean snmpd is configured wrong ?
[01-Oct-2007 09:07:14] <Freak> most likely if you can reach the box otherwise.
[01-Oct-2007 09:07:26] <m1r> i can ping it :/
[01-Oct-2007 09:07:29] <Freak> be sure snmpd is running
[01-Oct-2007 09:07:36] <m1r> just sec to check
[01-Oct-2007 09:07:37] <Freak> ps aux|grep snm
[01-Oct-2007 09:08:06] <m1r> usr/local/zenoss/etc/zenperfsnmp.conf --cycle --daemon
[01-Oct-2007 09:08:15] <Freak> thats not snmpd
[01-Oct-2007 09:08:33] <m1r> root 5528 0.0 0.1 2880 748 pts/0 R+ 13:10 0:00 grep snmpd
[01-Oct-2007 09:08:41] <Freak> thats grep
[01-Oct-2007 09:08:50] <m1r> ok
[01-Oct-2007 09:09:11] <Freak> what system ru on?
[01-Oct-2007 09:09:16] <m1r> ubuntu 7.04
[01-Oct-2007 09:09:25] <m1r> server
[01-Oct-2007 09:09:50] <m1r> what port does snmp uses ? 161 ?
[01-Oct-2007 09:10:14] <Freak> so do: sudo apt-get install snmpd
[01-Oct-2007 09:10:22] <Freak> i guess
[01-Oct-2007 09:10:31] <m1r> i have it already
[01-Oct-2007 09:10:48] <Freak> then you have to start it
[01-Oct-2007 09:10:56] <Freak> sudo /etc/init.d/snmpd start
[01-Oct-2007 09:11:06] <m1r> ok
[01-Oct-2007 09:11:12] <m1r> now try walking ?
[01-Oct-2007 09:11:23] <Freak> did that workþ
[01-Oct-2007 09:11:26] <Freak> ?
[01-Oct-2007 09:11:32] <m1r> timeout
[01-Oct-2007 09:11:41] <Folke> m1r: can you netstat -an|grep 161
[01-Oct-2007 09:11:47] <m1r> yes one sec
[01-Oct-2007 09:12:07] <m1r> udp 0 0 127.0.0.1:161 0.0.0.0:*
[01-Oct-2007 09:12:22] <m1r> freak , snmpd is runing
[01-Oct-2007 09:12:29] <Freak> hum.
[01-Oct-2007 09:12:36] <m1r> i mean restarted
[01-Oct-2007 09:12:41] <Freak> but walking still doesnt work?
[01-Oct-2007 09:12:46] <m1r> no
[01-Oct-2007 09:13:02] <m1r> i used: snmpwalk 192.168.1.250
[01-Oct-2007 09:13:19] <m1r> maybe some other option with that command =?
[01-Oct-2007 09:13:20] <Folke> m1r: do you use version 1 or 2 ?
[01-Oct-2007 09:13:34] <m1r> folke, just to check
[01-Oct-2007 09:14:31] <m1r> Zenoss 2.0.90 r6648
[01-Oct-2007 09:14:58] <Freak> m1r: I guess Folke means which snmp version you are using.
[01-Oct-2007 09:15:14] <m1r> how can i check that ?
[01-Oct-2007 09:15:34] <Freak> but actually you might be right and he meant zenoss ;)
[01-Oct-2007 09:15:36] <Freak> idunno
[01-Oct-2007 09:15:38] <Freak> :)
[01-Oct-2007 09:15:43] <m1r> :)
[01-Oct-2007 09:15:50] <Freak> um.. just a second
[01-Oct-2007 09:15:54] <m1r> i guessed zenoss
[01-Oct-2007 09:15:59] <Folke> m1r: cat /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf I think..
[01-Oct-2007 09:16:50] <Folke> m1r: sorry for talking out right.
[01-Oct-2007 09:16:59] <m1r> np
[01-Oct-2007 09:17:07] <m1r> but i got big list here
[01-Oct-2007 09:17:16] <m1r> with cat /etc/...
[01-Oct-2007 09:18:03] <Freak> so on Debian unstable snmpd is configured to use SNMPv1 and v2 by default - I guess Ubuntu will do the same then
[01-Oct-2007 09:18:14] <Freak> m1r: use less.
[01-Oct-2007 09:18:20] <Freak> less /etc/...
[01-Oct-2007 09:18:31] <m1r> i am in with vim
[01-Oct-2007 09:18:32] <Folke> m1r: humm, and with public as community?
[01-Oct-2007 09:18:40] <Freak> oh ic
[01-Oct-2007 09:18:46] <m1r> wait i pastebin
[01-Oct-2007 09:20:29] <m1r> hm, i have several entries in /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf
[01-Oct-2007 09:20:31] <m1r> rocommunity public 192.168.1.250
[01-Oct-2007 09:20:31] <m1r> rocommunity public
[01-Oct-2007 09:20:31] <m1r> rocommunity public
[01-Oct-2007 09:20:31] <m1r> rocommunity 192.168.1.250 192.168.1.250
[01-Oct-2007 09:20:31] <m1r> rocommunity public 192.168.1.250
[01-Oct-2007 09:20:32] <m1r> rocommunity public 192.168.1.250
[01-Oct-2007 09:20:34] <m1r> rocommunity public 192.168.1.250 f
[01-Oct-2007 09:20:36] <m1r> rocommunity "public 192.168.1.250" 192.168.1.250
[01-Oct-2007 09:20:38] <m1r> rocommunity public 192.168.1.250
[01-Oct-2007 09:20:48] <m1r> that is only strange in that file
[01-Oct-2007 09:21:07] <m1r> sry for paste here :/
[01-Oct-2007 09:22:02] <m1r> should i delete all but one ?
[01-Oct-2007 09:23:13] <Folke> m1r: if you try snmpwalk -v 2c -c public ipaddress
[01-Oct-2007 09:23:24] <m1r> ok sec
[01-Oct-2007 09:24:08] <m1r> i get options
[01-Oct-2007 09:24:36] <Folke> m1r: if you try snmpwalk -v 2c -c public 192.168.1.250 ?
[01-Oct-2007 09:24:49] <m1r> it pops me list of options for snmp
[01-Oct-2007 09:25:05] <m1r> ait
[01-Oct-2007 09:25:06] <m1r> wait
[01-Oct-2007 09:25:08] <Folke> m1r: strange.. that should work..
[01-Oct-2007 09:25:13] <m1r> i didnt see public
[01-Oct-2007 09:25:24] <m1r> snmpwalk -v 2c -c public 192.168.1.250
[01-Oct-2007 09:25:24] <m1r> wTimeout: No Response from 192.168.1.250
[01-Oct-2007 09:25:58] <m1r> snmpwalk -v 2c -c public 192.168.1.1
[01-Oct-2007 09:25:58] <m1r> Timeout: No Response from 192.168.1.1
[01-Oct-2007 09:26:18] <m1r> 250 is localhost ; 1.1 is dsl/router/ap
[01-Oct-2007 09:27:13] <Freak> m1r: we should maybe have a look at your network...
[01-Oct-2007 09:27:21] <Freak> what box are you on now?
[01-Oct-2007 09:27:29] <Freak> what box is the zenoss installation running on?
[01-Oct-2007 09:27:52] <Freak> from which box are you able to ping this 192.168.1.250 you wish to reach?
[01-Oct-2007 09:27:58] <m1r> laptop , 192.168.1.216 ; server zenoss , 192.168.1.250 ; router/AP , 192.168.1.1
[01-Oct-2007 09:28:20] <m1r> both boxes pings all
[01-Oct-2007 09:28:37] <Freak> so zenoss runs on 192.168.1.250?
[01-Oct-2007 09:28:41] <m1r> y
[01-Oct-2007 09:28:49] <Freak> and you're trying to monitor 192.168.1.250?
[01-Oct-2007 09:28:59] <m1r> nope, 1.1
[01-Oct-2007 09:29:10] <Freak> ah, you mentioned that, i forgot..
[01-Oct-2007 09:29:10] <m1r> router/ap
[01-Oct-2007 09:29:20] <m1r> or laptop 1.215
[01-Oct-2007 09:29:26] <m1r> anything :)
[01-Oct-2007 09:30:02] <Freak> so .. does this router have snmp?
[01-Oct-2007 09:30:17] <Freak> and does the laptop have snmp?
[01-Oct-2007 09:30:18] <m1r> ye
[01-Oct-2007 09:30:32] <m1r> laptop no
[01-Oct-2007 09:30:52] <m1r> but i want just AP to be monitored for now
[01-Oct-2007 09:30:55] <Freak> okay, so you try to add 192.168.1.1 as a device now, right?
[01-Oct-2007 09:31:01] <m1r> yes
[01-Oct-2007 09:31:11] <Freak> and pinging it works
[01-Oct-2007 09:31:16] <Freak> from within server
[01-Oct-2007 09:31:27] <m1r> yes, all are visible on network
[01-Oct-2007 09:31:40] <Freak> then I dont see the error
[01-Oct-2007 09:31:43] <Freak> :)
[01-Oct-2007 09:32:03] <Freak> I dont see what could possibly prevent server from reaching router when using snmp
[01-Oct-2007 09:32:28] <Freak> besides.. your network might in a way drop UDP traffic or so.
[01-Oct-2007 09:32:56] <m1r> how u mean that ?
[01-Oct-2007 09:34:21] <Freak> SNMP is a UDP protocol
[01-Oct-2007 09:34:56] <Freak> UDP is one of the two Transport Layer Protocols, such as TCP
[01-Oct-2007 09:35:13] <Folke> m1r: is it possible to snmpwalk the router?
[01-Oct-2007 09:35:16] <Freak> forget the "one of the two" part
[01-Oct-2007 09:35:35] <m1r> snmpwalk says timeout
[01-Oct-2007 09:36:04] <m1r> snmpwalk 192.168.1.250
[01-Oct-2007 09:36:04] <m1r> snmpwalk: Timeout
[01-Oct-2007 09:36:47] <Freak> but didnt you want to snmpwal the _router_
[01-Oct-2007 09:36:50] <Freak> +k
[01-Oct-2007 09:36:58] <m1r> 64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=1.88 ms
[01-Oct-2007 09:36:59] <Freak> you just tried to walk the server
[01-Oct-2007 09:37:18] <Freak> snmpwalk -v1 192.168.1.1 -c public
[01-Oct-2007 09:37:36] <m1r> ok sry
[01-Oct-2007 09:37:44] <m1r> snmpwalk -v1 192.168.1.1 -c public
[01-Oct-2007 09:37:45] <m1r> Timeout: No Response from 192.168.1.1
[01-Oct-2007 09:37:54] <Freak> does the router have snmp enabled
[01-Oct-2007 09:38:15] <m1r> i think so let me check
[01-Oct-2007 09:40:22] <Freak> the router needs to support snmp
[01-Oct-2007 09:40:34] <Freak> that means: it has to have snmp "installed" in a way
[01-Oct-2007 09:41:09] <Freak> what kind of machine is that router? is it a pc or is it merely a router appliance in a small box?
[01-Oct-2007 09:41:31] <m1r> siemens gigaset 515 dsl
[01-Oct-2007 09:41:49] <Freak> so just go get the handbook and look for snmp support
[01-Oct-2007 09:41:55] <Freak> snmp = simple network management protocol
[01-Oct-2007 09:41:58] <m1r> and guess what, it seems it dosent have snmp in web browser
[01-Oct-2007 09:42:06] <m1r> in web managment
[01-Oct-2007 09:42:24] <Freak> see
[01-Oct-2007 09:42:28] <Freak> :)
[01-Oct-2007 09:42:29] <m1r> checking now
[01-Oct-2007 09:42:30] <Freak> thats why
[01-Oct-2007 09:44:21] <m1r> nothing on google about snmp with that device but german language :/
[01-Oct-2007 09:46:05] <Freak> I'll have look..
[01-Oct-2007 09:48:56] <m1r> as i understand i need firmware update for snmp
[01-Oct-2007 09:49:43] <m1r> not even that, ups
[01-Oct-2007 09:50:05] <Freak> theres no such model number on the siemens website
[01-Oct-2007 09:50:15] <m1r> se515
[01-Oct-2007 09:50:22] <m1r> ?
[01-Oct-2007 09:50:32] <Freak> is it 551?
[01-Oct-2007 09:50:36] <m1r> 515
[01-Oct-2007 09:50:41] <m1r> crappy one
[01-Oct-2007 09:50:48] <m1r> :)
[01-Oct-2007 09:51:27] <m1r> all in german :/
[01-Oct-2007 09:51:33] <Freak> searching for "se515" on the siemens website gives me "Nothing found."
[01-Oct-2007 09:51:42] <Freak> what are you trying to read?
[01-Oct-2007 09:51:48] <Freak> I'm german, just give me the url
[01-Oct-2007 09:52:06] <Freak> I was looking for a manual on the siemens website but cant even seem to find the model
[01-Oct-2007 09:52:14] <m1r> http://gigaset.siemens.com/shc/0,1935,hr_hr_0_42931_rArNrNrNrN_variation%253A-5_pageType%253Adownloads_imagePos%253A0,00.html
[01-Oct-2007 09:52:17] <m1r> this is model
[01-Oct-2007 09:52:21] <adytum-bot> Title: Siemens Gigaset SE515 dsl (at gigaset.siemens.com)
[01-Oct-2007 09:52:27] <m1r> gigaset.siemens.com
[01-Oct-2007 09:53:12] <m1r> TCP/IP, UDP, DHCP poslužitelj / klijent, DNS prijenos, RIPv1/v2, SNMPv1/v2c, Telnet, UPnP
[01-Oct-2007 09:53:18] <m1r> so it does have snmp
[01-Oct-2007 09:53:33] <m1r> but there is no option for on or off so it must be on by default
[01-Oct-2007 09:53:39] <oddjobz_> Hi, anyone seen this on 2.0.91 ...
[01-Oct-2007 09:53:41] <oddjobz_> Type: AttributeError
[01-Oct-2007 09:53:41] <oddjobz_> Value: dsnames
[01-Oct-2007 09:53:51] <oddjobz_> When looking at the perf tab?
[01-Oct-2007 09:55:02] <m1r> freak , folke , many tnx for your help, i must use my lunch break, will be back in 30-45 min
[01-Oct-2007 09:55:06] <Folke> m1r: perhaps it is started but the community is wrong
[01-Oct-2007 09:55:15] <m1r> how u mean folke ?
[01-Oct-2007 09:55:16] <Folke> m1r: lunch here too :)
[01-Oct-2007 09:55:20] <m1r> ok :D
[01-Oct-2007 09:55:27] <m1r> buon apettite then ;)
[01-Oct-2007 09:55:46] <m1r> i must run or i miss the good food in local menza
[01-Oct-2007 09:55:48] <m1r> ;)
[01-Oct-2007 09:55:54] <Freak> hrm "snmp" _does_ appear in the manual
[01-Oct-2007 09:55:59] <Freak> but only in the glossary section
[01-Oct-2007 09:56:02] <m1r> afk 40 min
[01-Oct-2007 09:56:04] <Freak> so I'm not sure
[01-Oct-2007 09:56:18] <m1r> damn, :) think it should be on by deafult :/
[01-Oct-2007 09:56:19] <Freak> oh you found it yourself. hum.
[01-Oct-2007 09:56:22] <Folke> m1r: snmp community, it's like a identifer for that snmp community
[01-Oct-2007 09:56:34] <m1r> damn guys i miss lunch :D
[01-Oct-2007 09:56:37] <Freak> you might still need to enable it or as Folke says, change the community string (that is some kind of password)
[01-Oct-2007 09:56:45] <Folke> m1r: like public for read and perhaps private for write..
[01-Oct-2007 09:56:46] <m1r> i c
[01-Oct-2007 09:56:50] <Freak> m1r: you wont die on it ;)
[01-Oct-2007 09:57:00] <m1r> i lose my precious 100grams :)
[01-Oct-2007 09:57:02] <Folke> hepp. lunch cu
[01-Oct-2007 09:57:04] <Freak> heh
[01-Oct-2007 09:57:08] <m1r> need energy for work :D
[01-Oct-2007 09:57:12] <m1r> brb 40 min
[01-Oct-2007 09:57:15] <Freak> drink coke
[01-Oct-2007 09:57:31] <Freak> eat pizza
[01-Oct-2007 09:57:39] <Freak> do what all regular geeks do
[01-Oct-2007 09:57:45] <Freak> ;)
[01-Oct-2007 09:58:13] <Freak> .. I'm having indian food delivered today.. ;)
[01-Oct-2007 10:35:08] <Robbadub> Hi
[01-Oct-2007 10:35:24] <Robbadub> Can anyone help me out clearing the histroy tabel?
[01-Oct-2007 10:51:24] <qubix> Robbadub: just use the following to e.g. keep two months of history:
[01-Oct-2007 10:51:27] <qubix> mysql events -uzenoss -pXXX -e 'call clean_history(2)'
[01-Oct-2007 11:27:59] <Robbadub> thanks m8
[01-Oct-2007 11:32:46] <Folke> is there someone out there who knows how I can batchimport a bunch of devices with help och the ip address
[01-Oct-2007 11:40:59] <qubix> Folke: tried zendisc already?
[01-Oct-2007 11:47:24] <pablo26> hi all
[01-Oct-2007 11:50:53] <pablo26> how can i set dependencies like i have in nagios, for example the other day a firewall went down and i get 50 notifications of all the devices behind that firewall
[01-Oct-2007 11:56:20] <Folke> qubix: I have a list of ip's from our nagios that I would like to import, all on different subnets and so.
[01-Oct-2007 11:57:19] <Folke> qubix: can you run zendisc from bash?
[01-Oct-2007 11:59:47] <Folke> pablo26: I think there was a thread about that in the forum.. I see if I can find it.
[01-Oct-2007 11:59:58] <pablo26> i'll look for it
[01-Oct-2007 12:01:16] <pablo26> mm i think i lookt there and it says that it should be automatically, all the devices had that firewall as gateway
[01-Oct-2007 12:02:25] <Folke> pablo26: didn't it work like it should?
[01-Oct-2007 12:02:48] <pablo26> no i get a lot of notification for every device 2
[01-Oct-2007 12:02:59] <pablo26> one for snmp agent down and another for ping
[01-Oct-2007 12:07:12] <Folke> pablo26: aouch.. wierd..
[01-Oct-2007 12:09:15] <pablo26> device 'ul01.i411.com' network '192.168.13.0/24' not in topology
[01-Oct-2007 12:09:19] <pablo26> this is the problem
[01-Oct-2007 12:29:46] <m1r> hi again
[01-Oct-2007 12:46:47] <m1r> seems i got some info from localhost; http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39261/ , but with router still no luck
[01-Oct-2007 12:46:56] <adytum-bot> Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu-nl.org)
[01-Oct-2007 13:07:14] <m1r> all right :D
[01-Oct-2007 13:07:25] <m1r> at least i got winxp monitoring
[01-Oct-2007 13:07:58] <m1r> not much of use but a small progres keeps man going
[01-Oct-2007 13:17:27] <Freak> m1r: so just go figure out how you activate snmp with that router box
[01-Oct-2007 13:17:42] <m1r> yes seems so
[01-Oct-2007 13:17:51] <Robbadub> di du use snmpwalk?
[01-Oct-2007 13:17:53] <Freak> m1r: probably it doesnt show up as snmp in the interface, maybe they call it "monitoring support" or something else, you know
[01-Oct-2007 13:18:13] <Robbadub> did u use snmpwalk?
[01-Oct-2007 13:18:14] <m1r> Robbadub: yes i did, timeouts
[01-Oct-2007 13:18:22] <m1r> Freak: i will check again
[01-Oct-2007 13:18:22] <Robbadub> ah
[01-Oct-2007 13:18:34] <Freak> m1r: the other thing might be the community key.
[01-Oct-2007 13:18:35] <Robbadub> no firewall in between?
[01-Oct-2007 13:18:58] <m1r> Robbadub: yes there is fw
[01-Oct-2007 13:19:04] <m1r> but it sees winxp pc
[01-Oct-2007 13:19:08] <m1r> so should see the router
[01-Oct-2007 13:19:11] <m1r> on eth0
[01-Oct-2007 13:19:29] <Robbadub> cab you pin git?
[01-Oct-2007 13:19:32] <Robbadub> ping
[01-Oct-2007 13:19:42] <Robbadub> sorry man my typing is waefull 2day
[01-Oct-2007 13:19:53] <Robbadub> Can you ping the router fromt the zenoss device?
[01-Oct-2007 13:19:58] <m1r> yes
[01-Oct-2007 13:20:01] <m1r> with np
[01-Oct-2007 13:20:08] <progma> heh
[01-Oct-2007 13:20:12] <m1r> all pc on network are >< pingable
[01-Oct-2007 13:20:17] <progma> is ur kybard massd ep
[01-Oct-2007 13:20:18] <Robbadub> excellent
[01-Oct-2007 13:20:34] <Robbadub> You were checking the snmp settings?
[01-Oct-2007 13:20:36] <progma> does router have snmp enabled
[01-Oct-2007 13:20:48] <Freak> history repeats itself :)
[01-Oct-2007 13:20:54] <m1r> yes i check Robbadub
[01-Oct-2007 13:20:58] <Freak> we had all these questions before ;)
[01-Oct-2007 13:20:59] <Robbadub> osi 1 and rising ;-)
[01-Oct-2007 13:21:02] <m1r> seems i got too many input inthere
[01-Oct-2007 13:21:14] <Robbadub> what do you mean?
[01-Oct-2007 13:21:34] <m1r> let me pastebin 4 u
[01-Oct-2007 13:21:36] <m1r> 1 min please
[01-Oct-2007 13:21:40] <Robbadub> ok
[01-Oct-2007 13:22:58] <m1r> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39263/
[01-Oct-2007 13:23:04] <m1r> this part is strange
[01-Oct-2007 13:23:05] * progma bets it is a typo with commnity name
[01-Oct-2007 13:23:06] <adytum-bot> Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu-nl.org)
[01-Oct-2007 13:23:14] <progma> or firewall not allowing snmp
[01-Oct-2007 13:25:58] <Robbadub> looks ok to me
[01-Oct-2007 13:26:10] <Robbadub> What kinf of router it is?
[01-Oct-2007 13:26:48] <progma> and you do "snmpwalk -v1 -c public router ip>" ?
[01-Oct-2007 13:26:50] <m1r> siemens gigaset 515 dsl
[01-Oct-2007 13:27:02] <m1r> sec progma
[01-Oct-2007 13:27:06] <Robbadub> ah
[01-Oct-2007 13:27:15] <progma> "snmpwalk -v 1 -c public <router ip>"?
[01-Oct-2007 13:27:22] <progma> i mean
[01-Oct-2007 13:27:43] <m1r> hmm ; snmpwalk -v1 -c public security 192.168.1.1
[01-Oct-2007 13:27:43] <m1r> snmpwalk: Error building ASN.1 representation (Can't build OID for variable)
[01-Oct-2007 13:29:18] <Robbadub> Bu that means that it does get snmp data
[01-Oct-2007 13:29:39] <Robbadub> But it can't resolve the OID's
[01-Oct-2007 13:29:40] <m1r> snmpwalk -v1 -c public 192.168.1.1
[01-Oct-2007 13:29:40] <m1r> Timeout: No Response from 192.168.1.1
[01-Oct-2007 13:30:04] <m1r> Robbadub: can u explain me a bit that OID ?
[01-Oct-2007 13:30:13] <Robbadub> These dsl routers do have a extra firewall setting
[01-Oct-2007 13:30:27] <Robbadub> it blocks certain kinds of traffic internally
[01-Oct-2007 13:30:28] <progma> m1r: use the 2nd line
[01-Oct-2007 13:30:48] <m1r> how u mean 2nd line ?
[01-Oct-2007 13:30:56] <progma> m1r: just use public
[01-Oct-2007 13:31:19] <m1r> just public ? times out
[01-Oct-2007 13:31:37] <m1r> snmpwalk -v1 -c public 192.168.1.1
[01-Oct-2007 13:31:38] <m1r> Timeout: No Response from 192.168.1.1
[01-Oct-2007 13:31:57] <progma> m1r: double check the snmp config on the router and make sure you are allowing from your monitor box or wherever you are snmpwalk from
[01-Oct-2007 13:32:29] <Robbadub> http://www.oidview.com/mibs/231/md-231-1.html
[01-Oct-2007 13:32:33] <m1r> progma, 1 min i recheck router
[01-Oct-2007 13:32:37] <adytum-bot> Title: ByteSphere MIB Download Area - Fujitsu Siemens Computers (at www.oidview.com)
[01-Oct-2007 13:33:00] <Robbadub> Check if they have MIBS to load into zenoss
[01-Oct-2007 13:33:12] <m1r> Robbadub: ok, 1 min
[01-Oct-2007 13:33:23] <Robbadub> That's for later
[01-Oct-2007 13:33:29] <Robbadub> But first het the snmp working
[01-Oct-2007 13:33:30] <progma> m1r: also try "telnet 192.168.1.1 161" see if you get a response
[01-Oct-2007 13:33:42] <Robbadub> good suggestion
[01-Oct-2007 13:33:48] <m1r> i c
[01-Oct-2007 13:33:52] <m1r> i try that first
[01-Oct-2007 13:34:18] <m1r> aha ; Trying 192.168.1.1...
[01-Oct-2007 13:34:18] <m1r> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
[01-Oct-2007 13:34:28] <m1r> so , snmp not working on router
[01-Oct-2007 13:34:31] <m1r> i guess
[01-Oct-2007 13:35:18] <Robbadub> It means that is has no service running on port 161
[01-Oct-2007 13:35:32] <Robbadub> aka: snmp is not switched on
[01-Oct-2007 13:35:38] <m1r> that is problem
[01-Oct-2007 13:35:45] <m1r> i didnt saw in router config that part
[01-Oct-2007 13:35:58] <m1r> while on Dlink at my other place i have SNMP On/Off option
[01-Oct-2007 13:36:15] <m1r> i recheck router for snmp
[01-Oct-2007 13:36:29] <m1r> on tutorial for that router it says it got snmp but i cant find it
[01-Oct-2007 13:36:35] <m1r> nm, i go recheck
[01-Oct-2007 13:37:26] <Freak> m1r: did you just say your community string was "secure"?
[01-Oct-2007 13:37:32] <m1r> i dont see siemens on that page u sent me Robbadub :/
[01-Oct-2007 13:37:38] <Freak> um
[01-Oct-2007 13:37:39] <progma> m1r: maybe, for whatever reason you can't connect to snmp server
[01-Oct-2007 13:37:42] <Freak> "security" I mean
[01-Oct-2007 13:37:57] <m1r> freak , no but it worked with it, as i recall i set only public on setup of snmp
[01-Oct-2007 13:38:04] <Freak> then it would be "snmpwalk -v1 -c security 192.168.1.1"
[01-Oct-2007 13:38:19] <progma> maybe is just a checkbox to enable? also chck access filters fro snmp
[01-Oct-2007 13:38:38] <progma> m1r: what kind of router is it
[01-Oct-2007 13:38:48] <m1r> siemens gigaset 515 dsl/ap
[01-Oct-2007 13:39:53] <progma> it's always something silly
[01-Oct-2007 13:41:30] <Freak> like having bought the wrong router? :)
[01-Oct-2007 13:42:08] <m1r> well, for sure i bought wrong one, but at that time that was only stuff T-com was deploying to customers
[01-Oct-2007 13:43:05] <m1r> ok, my friend just reply, there is no option for snmp on that router, he says it is auto turned ON
[01-Oct-2007 13:43:13] <m1r> strange
[01-Oct-2007 13:43:21] <m1r> how small things can ruin your day :/
[01-Oct-2007 13:43:33] <m1r> damn t-com
[01-Oct-2007 13:44:25] <Robbadub> Sorry m8
[01-Oct-2007 13:44:27] <m1r> i call free service now and try to switch it for Dlink
[01-Oct-2007 13:44:30] <m1r> lol
[01-Oct-2007 13:44:48] <m1r> from all the routers in the world i get shi#est
[01-Oct-2007 13:44:51] <Robbadub> I would do that
[01-Oct-2007 13:45:02] <m1r> well mayn tnx for your help guys anyway :D
[01-Oct-2007 13:45:11] <m1r> i try check with tcom
[01-Oct-2007 13:45:13] <Robbadub> good luck
[01-Oct-2007 13:45:17] <m1r> tnx m8
[01-Oct-2007 13:46:22] <pablo26> m1r have check if there is some rule on the firewall?
[01-Oct-2007 13:46:57] <m1r> firewall lets monitor windows machine on 192.168.1.10
[01-Oct-2007 13:47:03] <m1r> so i guess all is ok
[01-Oct-2007 13:48:06] <m1r> if i couldnt see windows then i would thought FW is problem, but this way i think is ok
[01-Oct-2007 13:48:56] <pablo26> does the router has a firewall? have u checked there?
[01-Oct-2007 13:49:14] <m1r> i think i turned it off b4
[01-Oct-2007 13:49:20] <m1r> let me recheck
[01-Oct-2007 13:50:34] <pablo26> or just allow udp on port 161
[01-Oct-2007 13:54:13] <m1r> ok i got tcom enginer on line, now we see how they good
[01-Oct-2007 13:54:20] <progma> you can test with "nc" for udp connections
[01-Oct-2007 13:54:24] <m1r> btw i managed to telnet into machine
[01-Oct-2007 13:54:31] <m1r> it showed Login:
[01-Oct-2007 13:55:20] <m1r> waiting for guy to find login name for telnet :P
[01-Oct-2007 13:56:13] <pablo26> there are many pages where u can find the defaul password and users of this devices, very usefull
[01-Oct-2007 14:11:13] <m1r> can someone explain this please: snmpwalk -v1 -c public security 192.168.1.1
[01-Oct-2007 14:11:13] <m1r> snmpwalk: Error building ASN.1 representation (Can't build OID for variable) ?
[01-Oct-2007 14:13:40] <pablo26> which is your community string public or security
[01-Oct-2007 14:14:57] <m1r> on snmpconf i set public
[01-Oct-2007 14:15:08] <m1r> but when i put also securtiy it works
[01-Oct-2007 14:15:45] <pablo26> try this: snmpwalk -v1 -c public 192.168.1.1
[01-Oct-2007 14:16:19] <m1r> snmpwalk -v1 -c public 192.168.1.1
[01-Oct-2007 14:16:19] <m1r> Timeout: No Response from 192.168.1.1
[01-Oct-2007 14:16:35] <m1r> snmpwalk -v1 -c public security 192.168.1.1
[01-Oct-2007 14:16:35] <m1r> snmpwalk: Error building ASN.1 representation (Can't build OID for variable)
[01-Oct-2007 14:16:46] <Freak> m1r: the second one is wrong
[01-Oct-2007 14:16:52] <m1r> ok
[01-Oct-2007 14:17:00] <Freak> m1r: snmpwalk tries to resolve "security" as the host
[01-Oct-2007 14:17:08] <Freak> and "192.168.1.1" as MIB
[01-Oct-2007 14:17:14] <m1r> i c
[01-Oct-2007 14:17:16] <m1r> tnx
[01-Oct-2007 14:17:23] <Freak> m1r: have you heard of "manpages" and "documentation"?
[01-Oct-2007 14:17:45] <Freak> or even "wikipedia"?
[01-Oct-2007 14:17:45] <m1r> yes
[01-Oct-2007 14:17:51] <m1r> yes
[01-Oct-2007 14:17:53] <Freak> okay, make some use of it ;)
[01-Oct-2007 14:18:13] <m1r> ok
[01-Oct-2007 14:18:43] <pablo26> i cant solve this issue when monitoring windows servers: ERROR_SEM_TIMEOUT: The semaphore timeout period has expired. (121)
[01-Oct-2007 14:19:26] <Freak> http://www.google.de/search?q=%22The+semaphore+timeout+period+has+expired.%22&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial
[01-Oct-2007 14:24:17] <pablo26> what i understand from that is that its an authentication problem
[01-Oct-2007 14:24:23] <pablo26> but i had disabled wmi
[01-Oct-2007 14:26:30] <Freak> sorry. I'm windows-illiterate.
[01-Oct-2007 14:28:59] <pablo26> lucky you :)
[01-Oct-2007 14:29:53] <Freak> heh
[01-Oct-2007 14:30:12] <Freak> what if I have a host that doesn't speak SNMP?
[01-Oct-2007 14:30:25] <Freak> it will always show "snmp not running"
[01-Oct-2007 14:30:37] <Freak> I know that it doesnt and I don't want it to run snmpd.
[01-Oct-2007 14:31:21] <Freak> ah its a template thing
[01-Oct-2007 14:32:28] <Freak> but I cant remove the template "Device" associated with the machine..
[01-Oct-2007 14:32:38] <pablo26> u have to set on zProperties snmpMonitorIgnore to true
[01-Oct-2007 14:32:43] <Freak> Imean.. I could create a local copy and delete all the snmp checks..
[01-Oct-2007 14:33:08] <Freak> pablo26: hmmm
[01-Oct-2007 14:33:38] <Freak> I created /Devices/Server/OpenBSD and I could only deactivate snmp for all my openbsd machines then..
[01-Oct-2007 14:33:46] <Freak> well maybe I should just create another sublcass
[01-Oct-2007 14:34:34] <pablo26> u can change the zProperties every where u want, on each device or in a subclass
[01-Oct-2007 14:34:40] <Freak> are there predefined templates for NRPE-checks I could somehow import (is that the "ZenPacks" thing??)?
[01-Oct-2007 14:34:49] <Freak> pablo26: really?
[01-Oct-2007 14:34:50] <pablo26> no
[01-Oct-2007 14:34:57] <Folke> pablo26: is it on another subnet than the zenoss server?
[01-Oct-2007 14:35:01] <pablo26> if u make one i want it :D
[01-Oct-2007 14:35:21] <Freak> but when I'm in the device overview, zProperties isn't in the tabs..
[01-Oct-2007 14:35:33] <Freak> oh its in the menu
[01-Oct-2007 14:35:34] <Freak> sorry
[01-Oct-2007 14:35:49] <Freak> I keep being confused by zenoss' complexity
[01-Oct-2007 14:36:12] <pablo26> that complexity makes everything easyer
[01-Oct-2007 14:36:46] <Folke> What really should be nice to have is to read from nsclient++
[01-Oct-2007 14:37:03] <Freak> pablo26: so is that what ZenPacks are for?
[01-Oct-2007 14:37:28] <Freak> can I like.. create and export them?
[01-Oct-2007 14:37:55] <pablo26> the idea is to create a community where everyone can share zenpacks
[01-Oct-2007 14:38:12] <Freak> pablo26: has that been accomplished yet? :))
[01-Oct-2007 14:38:31] <pablo26> no, i'm still waiting for it
[01-Oct-2007 14:38:44] <Freak> =)
[01-Oct-2007 14:41:20] <Folke> pablo26: Bout the 121 wmi error.. I only get that problem when I monitor servers on another subnet
[01-Oct-2007 14:42:52] <pablo26> yes its in another subnet
[01-Oct-2007 14:43:08] <pablo26> but its not a timeout
[01-Oct-2007 14:44:30] <Folke> pablo26: I have exactly the same problem.. When that happens I need to move the events to history and restart zenoss.. Kill -9 locked zenwin* processes and start zenoss again..
[01-Oct-2007 14:45:02] <Folke> pablo26: It'a a bi*ch to do that everytime :)
[01-Oct-2007 14:45:56] <pablo26> and u dont get that error again?
[01-Oct-2007 14:46:30] <Folke> pablo26: Well, it stays quiet for a while.. But then it happens again..
[01-Oct-2007 14:47:19] <Folke> pablo26: It looks like a process that get stuck.. I will see next time it happens..
[01-Oct-2007 14:47:30] <pablo26> every time it remodels the device?
[01-Oct-2007 14:48:16] <Folke> pablo26: Nah, just happens.. Can't really say why.. Can be in tha middle of night..
[01-Oct-2007 14:50:10] <pablo26> may besome security from windows
[01-Oct-2007 14:50:21] <pablo26> or jus a bug from zenoos
[01-Oct-2007 14:50:51] <Folke> pablo26: The thing is that it happens on all the servers on another subnet.. Dunno really why.. Looks like a bug.
[01-Oct-2007 14:52:30] <pablo26> maybe some timeout problem that is not been handled ok
[01-Oct-2007 15:10:16] <pablo26> Folke wich version of zenoss are u suing?
[01-Oct-2007 15:11:23] <davetoo> all of them :)
[01-Oct-2007 15:11:33] <progma> <- 2.0.6
[01-Oct-2007 15:12:28] <davetoo> I'm anxious to see a stable 2.1 because I really need the multi-graph reporting
[01-Oct-2007 15:12:31] <pablo26> anyone else has the same problem monitoring windows on a different subnet?
[01-Oct-2007 15:12:47] * davetoo is not using WMI at all yet
[01-Oct-2007 15:13:07] <pablo26> i cant disable it
[01-Oct-2007 15:16:32] <pablo26> my dependencies are not working, when i goto the firewall properties i see dependient devices but when the firewall crashed all the host sent alerts
[01-Oct-2007 15:18:03] <pablo26> and i get this on the zenping search15' network '192.168.13.0/24' not in topology, any idea?
[01-Oct-2007 15:36:21] <davetoo> zenping builds a network topology tree using the route tables it learned from the local server and all the routers it knows about. Did you run 'zendisc --routers'?
[01-Oct-2007 15:39:36] <pablo26> no i let zenoss do it
[01-Oct-2007 15:44:28] <Freak> I asked this last week ago but didnt get an answer, maybe you know now: what can I set as data points for check_disk? I can't define e.g. "/" as a data point..
[01-Oct-2007 15:48:17] <Freak> I mean.. check_load gives me something like this: "load1=0.161;4.000;6.000;0; load5=0.110;3.000;5.000;0; load15=0.087;2.000;4.000;0;" so then I can set "load1", "load5" and "load15" as data points to draw graphs from
[01-Oct-2007 15:48:33] <Freak> but check_disk will produce DISK OK - free space: /dev/wd0a 820 MB (53%);| /dev/wd0a=713MB;1379;1456;0;1533
[01-Oct-2007 15:48:50] <Freak> or even DISK OK - free space: / 820 MB (53%);| /=713MB;1226;1379;0;1533
[01-Oct-2007 15:56:00] <pablo26> davetoo but in networks i see all the devices from a network that depends on the router
[01-Oct-2007 15:58:27] <davetoo> zenoss doesn't know that a device depends on a router unless that router and all the intervening devices, including the server that zenoss is on, have a valid route table. So look at the OS tab for those and make sure they're showing route tables.
[01-Oct-2007 15:59:58] <davetoo> at least look at the route table in zenoss for every device that shows up in a traceroute
[01-Oct-2007 16:01:28] <pablo26> on the os tab all routes are ok
[01-Oct-2007 16:02:06] <pablo26> on the router i dont have a valid routing table
[01-Oct-2007 16:02:15] <pablo26> i cant read it from zenoss
[01-Oct-2007 16:06:02] <davetoo> I'm confused
[01-Oct-2007 16:06:18] <davetoo> How many routers are in between the zenoss server and that network?
[01-Oct-2007 16:07:46] <davetoo> look, just do a "zendisc run --routers" :)
[01-Oct-2007 16:07:55] <davetoo> Maybe with -v10 set so you can see what it's doing
[01-Oct-2007 16:11:18] <pablo26> i have 2 routers in the middle because its a site 2 site vpn
[01-Oct-2007 16:12:53] <pablo26> that command wont find the other networks, i add them manually
[01-Oct-2007 16:19:20] <davetoo> Then you can't expect Zenoss to know how to put them in the topology
[01-Oct-2007 16:19:47] <davetoo> But you might try manually adding an IPRoute entry to the routers; I've never tried it.
[01-Oct-2007 16:23:38] <pablo26> if i go to /Networks /192.168.13.0 /192.168.13.1
[01-Oct-2007 16:23:47] <pablo26> i see a list of dependent devices
[01-Oct-2007 16:24:16] <pablo26> on saturday the 192.168.13.1 crashed and i get notification for every host in this list
[01-Oct-2007 18:12:04] FuL|OUT is now known as fulgas
[01-Oct-2007 18:35:48] <mutil8> im having trouble with the discover discover devices functionality
[01-Oct-2007 18:35:57] <mutil8> Error: option --monitor: conflicting option string(s): --monitor
[01-Oct-2007 18:36:00] <mutil8> gives me that error
[01-Oct-2007 18:41:47] <dschrock> mulit8: what is full commandline you are giving it?
[01-Oct-2007 18:45:17] <mutil8> Executing command: /usr/local/zenoss/bin/zendisc run --net 10.10.0.1
[01-Oct-2007 18:45:23] <mutil8> im doing it from the web interface
[01-Oct-2007 18:45:38] <mutil8> i select the network, and then choose to discover devices
[01-Oct-2007 18:55:38] <JordanWilliams> gooooooooooooood afternoon
[01-Oct-2007 18:58:23] <progma> are you kidding, it's still monday ;>
[01-Oct-2007 19:23:52] <Dan000892> this place is dead today
[01-Oct-2007 19:24:14] <Dan000892> too many fires to put out, mayhaps?
[01-Oct-2007 19:24:54] <JordanWilliams> lol
[01-Oct-2007 19:24:58] <JordanWilliams> monday's suck.
[01-Oct-2007 19:25:18] <JordanWilliams> i've got an issue, is there someone around that could give me a couple moments of their time?
[01-Oct-2007 19:25:47] <Dan000892> i'll give it a stab
[01-Oct-2007 19:26:00] <Dan000892> unless it's beta
[01-Oct-2007 19:26:07] <JordanWilliams> nope
[01-Oct-2007 19:26:08] <Dan000892> k
[01-Oct-2007 19:26:25] <JordanWilliams> i've got servers that are setup in the device list, and i've added IPServices to them such as SMTP and WWW
[01-Oct-2007 19:26:40] <JordanWilliams> however, all the systems are showing the services are status "green"
[01-Oct-2007 19:26:52] <JordanWilliams> even if i add a service that would not exist on that server
[01-Oct-2007 19:27:57] <Dan000892> that's pretty odd
[01-Oct-2007 19:28:21] <Dan000892> let me try something on my dev device
[01-Oct-2007 19:31:28] <Dan000892> i have an answer (i think)
[01-Oct-2007 19:31:32] <Dan000892> you aren't monitoring it
[01-Oct-2007 19:31:38] <Dan000892> you think you are, but you aren't
[01-Oct-2007 19:31:49] <Dan000892> two places:
[01-Oct-2007 19:32:07] <Dan000892> first /<DEVICE>/OS/<Service Name>
[01-Oct-2007 19:32:11] <Dan000892> Monitor = true
[01-Oct-2007 19:32:31] <Dan000892> second click on Service Class link on that page
[01-Oct-2007 19:32:43] <Dan000892> Edit tab
[01-Oct-2007 19:32:46] <Dan000892> Monitor = True
[01-Oct-2007 19:32:55] <Dan000892> it's green because it hasn't failed
[01-Oct-2007 19:33:13] <Dan000892> I just tried it with Telnet and it was green til i fixed that second field and now it's yellow
[01-Oct-2007 19:33:35] <Dan000892> and now it's red
[01-Oct-2007 19:33:38] <Dan000892> after 2+ fails
[01-Oct-2007 19:39:07] <Dan000892> Jordan: worky or no worky?
[01-Oct-2007 19:54:36] <dgb> does anyone have any info on setting up JMX monitoring in 2.091
[01-Oct-2007 19:54:37] <dgb> ?
[01-Oct-2007 19:59:24] <progma> anyone using zenoss to monitor windows production servers
[01-Oct-2007 20:00:30] <MoreDakka> v1.1.1 we are.
[01-Oct-2007 20:00:37] <MoreDakka> win2k/2k3 servers
[01-Oct-2007 20:00:51] <dgb> likewise w2k
[01-Oct-2007 20:00:59] <mutil8> is the 2.x branch not recommended?
[01-Oct-2007 20:01:29] <MoreDakka> ?? I haven't upgraded yet and I don't like doing the upgrade process on anything I run...don't like breaking something that is working.
[01-Oct-2007 20:01:32] <mutil8> i just installed 2.0.6 and im having trouble with the device detection
[01-Oct-2007 20:01:47] <dgb> can anyone ahed a little light on why a cisco asa would so through device discovery and then keep reporting snmp down
[01-Oct-2007 20:05:15] <eurowerke> any devs around?
[01-Oct-2007 20:07:51] <progma> did you guys modify snmp with snmpinformant or something similar ?
[01-Oct-2007 20:08:15] <mutil8> i haven't
[01-Oct-2007 20:09:36] <mutil8> /usr/local/zenoss$ /usr/local/zenoss/bin/zendisc run --net 10.10.0.0/24
[01-Oct-2007 20:09:38] <mutil8> if i run that
[01-Oct-2007 20:09:42] <mutil8> Error: option --monitor: conflicting option string(s): --monitor
[01-Oct-2007 20:09:45] <mutil8> i get that error
[01-Oct-2007 20:25:58] <progma> is there a way to mass change the monitoring from true to false of a bunch of servers in the same template (i.e./devices/server/windows/*)
[01-Oct-2007 20:26:09] <progma> or do i have to go through each dvice and click False
[01-Oct-2007 20:26:17] <pablo26> progma: to monitor windows servers install snmp and wmi form add or remove windows components install snmp-informant and configure snmp
[01-Oct-2007 20:26:33] <progma> pablo26: thx
[01-Oct-2007 20:26:46] <progma> pablo26: have you had any hiccups with snmp and windows server apps
[01-Oct-2007 20:27:47] <pablo26> progma to change one setting on all devices go to /devices/server/windows/ adn change the zproperties there
[01-Oct-2007 20:28:04] <progma> THANKS
[01-Oct-2007 20:28:07] <pablo26> i'm still trying to get them work right progma
[01-Oct-2007 20:28:31] <progma> pablo26: ok i've only done snmpinformant with nagios
[01-Oct-2007 20:31:03] <mutil8> any of you monitoring a sonicwall appliance? i can't seem to get SNMP to work with it
[01-Oct-2007 20:31:26] <progma> pablo26: i want to stop monitoring a drive; doesn't seem to be listed in zProperties
[01-Oct-2007 20:34:08] <progma> rather, i want to stop monitoring a file system
[01-Oct-2007 20:44:10] <progma> click through everyone, eh :) how can i avoid this in the future, use a template?
[01-Oct-2007 22:07:34] fulgas is now known as FuL|OUT
[01-Oct-2007 22:10:15] <MoreDakka> Where can I get libmysqlclient.so.14 is needed by (installed) perl-DBD-MySQL-2.9004-3.1.centos4.i386 for the MySQL-Server/Client-standard (5.24a I think)? I'm ripping my hair out over this...
[01-Oct-2007 22:11:50] <mutil8> what distro?
[01-Oct-2007 22:12:21] <mutil8> oh duh
[01-Oct-2007 22:12:23] <mutil8> centos
[01-Oct-2007 22:12:26] <MoreDakka> CentOS 4.
[01-Oct-2007 22:12:44] <mutil8> how did you install perl-DBD-MySQL-2.9004-3.1.centos4.i386?
[01-Oct-2007 22:12:46] <mutil8> using yum?
[01-Oct-2007 22:12:57] <MoreDakka> Yum installed it.
[01-Oct-2007 22:13:05] <MoreDakka> I tried http://www.wesmo.com/rpm2html/contributed/RPMS/MySQL-shared-compat-4.1.10-0.i386.html but that just breaks MySQL.
[01-Oct-2007 22:13:18] <adytum-bot> Title: MySQL-shared-compat-4.1.10-0.i386 RPM (at www.wesmo.com)
[01-Oct-2007 22:14:19] <MoreDakka> I'm a linux newb and installing stuff on linux can go either one side or the other...it goes perfectly with no problems or you stress yourself out trying to figure out why it's not working....I'm at the stressing side right now.
[01-Oct-2007 22:14:19] <mutil8> kinda odd that yum didn't install it if it's a dependency of the package
[01-Oct-2007 22:14:55] <MoreDakka> It installed mysql mysql-server but when I go to update to MySQL-sever/client-standard then it asked for that dependency
[01-Oct-2007 22:16:47] <mutil8> http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?forum=24&topic_id=4969&viewmode=flat
[01-Oct-2007 22:16:57] <mutil8> that looks like it may resolve your problem
[01-Oct-2007 22:17:01] <adytum-bot> Title: www.centos.org - Forums - CentOS 4 - Server Support - Howto Upgrade MySQL 4.1 to 5.0 on CentOS 4 server (at www.centos.org)
[01-Oct-2007 22:19:11] <mutil8> if that doesn't work, let me know, and i'll try and dig a little deeper
[01-Oct-2007 22:19:38] <MoreDakka> You might be my hair's hero for today....It's just updating with centosplus yum rpms....
[01-Oct-2007 22:19:47] <MoreDakka> MySQL 5
[01-Oct-2007 22:19:48] <MoreDakka> yay
[01-Oct-2007 22:20:10] <mutil8> great
[01-Oct-2007 22:20:33] <mutil8> i never liked redhat/centos/fedora for reasons just like that
[01-Oct-2007 22:20:52] <mutil8> it's supposed to make things easier, but i always seem to have better luck with debian, or slackware
[01-Oct-2007 22:20:56] <MoreDakka> I just run what I'm told to run and have to figure it out :-/
[01-Oct-2007 22:22:02] <mutil8> yeah, i hear you on that one
[01-Oct-2007 22:23:24] <MoreDakka> When I'm trying to install the zenoss dependencies it pukes again on me
[01-Oct-2007 22:23:57] <MoreDakka> http://pastebin.ca/722307
[01-Oct-2007 22:24:04] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - Anonymous - post number 722307 (at pastebin.ca)
[01-Oct-2007 22:24:14] <kgoedtel> centos isnt bad, but centos4 is old :]
[01-Oct-2007 22:25:00] <MoreDakka> I'm using it cause the box that is currently running Zenoss v1.1.1 is running CentOS4 so I want to test and upgrade and such to zenoss with the same os.
[01-Oct-2007 22:27:13] <mutil8> http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/install-guides/install-on-el4/
[01-Oct-2007 22:27:16] <mutil8> you happen to read that?
[01-Oct-2007 22:27:27] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss - Install on EL4 - Open Source Application, Server, and Network Management (at www.zenoss.com)
[01-Oct-2007 22:28:59] <MoreDakka> Oh yeah....followed it religiously. tried a fresh install of CentOS 4 and the first thing I did was a yum update, then reboot then follow those steps. Tried about 3 times now on fresh installs and it kicks me in the ass every time at the last part of step #2
[01-Oct-2007 22:29:36] <MoreDakka> Hmmm...maybe I'll try it without the yum update first.
[01-Oct-2007 22:30:42] <MoreDakka> however, it's hometime for me now. Thanks for your help today, I'll try without a yum update tomorrow and see if that helps at all...
[01-Oct-2007 22:31:48] <mutil8> try to install the dependencies again, and let me see the error messages
[01-Oct-2007 22:31:52] <mutil8> before you re-install
[01-Oct-2007 22:32:35] <MoreDakka> are you going to be on tomorrow?
[01-Oct-2007 22:38:18] <mutil8> should be
[01-Oct-2007 23:22:34] <exothermc_> How do you enter a network other than a /24 ?
[01-Oct-2007 23:29:07] <davetoo> You let zendisc learn it from the routers
[01-Oct-2007 23:29:22] <exothermc_> And that is the only way?
[01-Oct-2007 23:29:43] <davetoo> There's at least one bug open to fix manual network entry
[01-Oct-2007 23:30:02] <davetoo> but it doesn't look like they've fixed it yet
[01-Oct-2007 23:30:24] <exothermc_> Ya cause apparently 10.10.10.0/28 isn't a valid network ID.
[01-Oct-2007 23:30:41] <davetoo> Complains about characters illegal in URLs, right?
[01-Oct-2007 23:31:04] <exothermc_> ya
[01-Oct-2007 23:31:35] <davetoo> Search the trac ticket list
[01-Oct-2007 23:32:24] <davetoo> hmm
[01-Oct-2007 23:32:33] <davetoo> supposedly fixed in r6508
[01-Oct-2007 23:32:38] <davetoo> http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/ticket/1899
[01-Oct-2007 23:32:45] <adytum-bot> Title: #1899 (Add network netblock greater than /24 broken) - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.com)
[01-Oct-2007 23:33:40] <exothermc_> so what does that have to do with my example of a /28 ?
[02-Oct-2007 00:00:14] [disconnected at Tue Oct 2 00:00:14 2007]
[02-Oct-2007 00:00:14] [connected at Tue Oct 2 00:00:14 2007]
[02-Oct-2007 00:00:16] [zenoss-logger (logger bot) has joined #zenoss]
[02-Oct-2007 00:13:18] <exothermc_> Where does zenoss store its data?
[02-Oct-2007 00:21:27] <davetoo> in a Zope object database
[02-Oct-2007 00:21:40] <davetoo> in $ZENHOME/var/Data.fs, basically
[02-Oct-2007 00:26:32] <exothermc_> Ok so is there anyway to modify this data directly when the interface is tripping all over itself?
[02-Oct-2007 00:27:44] <exothermc_> basically I would really like to get a different subnet setup other than a /24, as you can probably see, there are quite a few times when relying on the routers isn't going to work.
[02-Oct-2007 00:33:08] <davetoo> I seem to have succeeded in adding one with the ZMI, just now
[02-Oct-2007 00:33:14] <davetoo> but haven't tested
[02-Oct-2007 00:33:25] <davetoo> http://localhost:8080/zport/dmd/Networks/manage
[02-Oct-2007 00:33:38] <davetoo> there's an IpNetwork class in the Add pulldown
[02-Oct-2007 00:54:46] <bkingx> Hi All!
[02-Oct-2007 00:56:57] <bkingx> Has anyone taken the VMWare image and installed it onto an ESX server?
[02-Oct-2007 01:03:23] <bkingx> Anyone?
[02-Oct-2007 04:10:47] <adytum-bot> New Blog/News Feed: Advogato blog for oubiwann - Code Monkey - 26 Sep, 07:04AM
[02-Oct-2007 04:10:48] <adytum-bot> http://www.advogato.org/person/oubiwann/diary.html?start=154
[02-Oct-2007 07:49:29] <Freak> what process do I have to restart to make newly added icons visible?
[02-Oct-2007 07:49:41] <Freak> restarting all zenoss services works, too
[02-Oct-2007 07:49:48] <Freak> but that's a bit much :)
[02-Oct-2007 09:37:40] <Freak> why does zencommand run keep telling me "schedule has 0 commands"?
[02-Oct-2007 09:54:28] <Freak> "ERROR zen.Events: (1062, "Duplicate entry '0afd068335dc7aeaffffffe' for key 1")" <-?
[02-Oct-2007 09:54:39] <Freak> d'uh.
[02-Oct-2007 11:02:35] chairuou_work is now known as chairuou
[02-Oct-2007 11:17:00] <imperfect-> Howdy.
[02-Oct-2007 11:17:02] <imperfect-> Anyone around?
[02-Oct-2007 11:19:45] <Freak> no. we be zombies and we wants your braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaainzzzzzzzz!
[02-Oct-2007 11:20:49] <imperfect-> Hehe
[02-Oct-2007 11:20:50] <imperfect-> ;)
[02-Oct-2007 11:20:58] <imperfect-> Well I'm looking at ZenOSS to monitor my network devices.
[02-Oct-2007 11:21:12] <imperfect-> I'm the WAN Engineer at a school district
[02-Oct-2007 11:21:28] <imperfect-> Just wondering what Kind of information i can get on my network devices...
[02-Oct-2007 11:21:37] <imperfect-> i.e. can I montior for threshholds?
[02-Oct-2007 11:21:49] <imperfect-> er monitor and be alerted etc?
[02-Oct-2007 11:22:04] <imperfect-> Or is this not something than can function so real time and is more of a data gathering deal?
[02-Oct-2007 11:29:30] <Freak> why does this command >> /usr/local/libexec/nagios/check_procs -w 0:$((`sysctl kern.maxproc|cut -c 14-`/2)) -c 0:$((`sysctl kern.maxproc|cut -c 14-`-(`sysctl kern.maxproc|cut -c 14-`/5))) << render all checks impossible?? (zencommand's statement "schedule has 0 commands")
[02-Oct-2007 11:30:20] <Freak> imperfect-: I dont understand the last part of your question, whats that 'data gathering deal' thing?
[02-Oct-2007 11:30:33] <imperfect-> Freak : Like a rrd based grapher
[02-Oct-2007 11:30:58] <Freak> well sure, zenoss is a monitoring application, including notifications and stuff
[02-Oct-2007 11:31:10] <Freak> actually its quite powerful
[02-Oct-2007 11:31:14] <imperfect-> Yeah
[02-Oct-2007 11:31:16] <Freak> but I also consider it a beast ;)
[02-Oct-2007 11:31:35] <imperfect-> Well I need something that can notify me rather quickly if I have a link that is historically flipping out bandwidth wise
[02-Oct-2007 11:33:43] <Freak> thats just a question of your check i+nterval
[02-Oct-2007 11:33:46] <Freak> -+
[02-Oct-2007 11:35:22] <imperfect-> Well
[02-Oct-2007 11:35:26] <imperfect-> The other thing I really need
[02-Oct-2007 11:35:31] <imperfect-> is something to monitor syslog messages ;)
[02-Oct-2007 11:36:08] <qubix> it can also do that
[02-Oct-2007 11:38:17] <imperfect-> Yeah but I'm guessing it requires making retardedly complex scripts to do so
[02-Oct-2007 11:48:55] <imperfect-> Hrm.
[02-Oct-2007 11:48:58] <imperfect-> This is odd
[02-Oct-2007 11:49:02] <imperfect-> I'm adding a test device
[02-Oct-2007 11:49:09] <imperfect-> And there doesnt' seem to be a place to enter the IP
[02-Oct-2007 11:55:32] <imperfect-> Wow.
[02-Oct-2007 11:55:36] <imperfect-> It just killed safari.
[02-Oct-2007 12:03:44] <imperfect-> Anyone around to answer a question?
[02-Oct-2007 12:34:25] <Freak> pablo26: i made a template for the four most reasonably used nrpe-over-ssh checks.. disk usage, load, procs and swap utilization.
[02-Oct-2007 12:34:39] <Freak> pablo26: ru still interested (iirc it was you who wanted that)
[02-Oct-2007 12:38:06] <Freak> I think zendisc should be renamed into zendisco.
[02-Oct-2007 12:51:56] <imperfect-> Anyone know why I can't add a x.x.x.x/22 entry when I add a network?
[02-Oct-2007 14:01:07] <bkingx> Howdy all!
[02-Oct-2007 14:01:37] <bkingx> Has anyone had any luck installing the Zenoss Appliance on an ESX 3.0 host?
[02-Oct-2007 14:06:02] <cluther> I wouldn't recommend it. The VMware image has very limited disk space. You'd be better off loading CentOS 5 onto your ESX host then installing the Zenoss RPM.
[02-Oct-2007 14:08:40] <bkingx> Thanks cluther. Good advice.
[02-Oct-2007 14:09:46] <bkingx> it would be nice if there was on preconfigured for an ESX 3.0 environment.
[02-Oct-2007 14:10:41] <bkingx> Our office has some free space on the ESX Server and thought this would be a great place to put the image.
[02-Oct-2007 14:25:31] <progma> having problems with zenoss daemons starting
[02-Oct-2007 14:25:35] <progma> turns out it can't talk to mysql
[02-Oct-2007 14:25:51] <progma> just want to see if you guys have seen this:
[02-Oct-2007 14:27:19] <progma> ERROR 1033 (HY000): Incorrect information in file: './events/status.frm'
[02-Oct-2007 14:31:33] <progma> indicates that there's something wrong w/ the mysql table, right?
[02-Oct-2007 14:34:58] <bkingx> I think .frm files are forms.
[02-Oct-2007 14:35:15] <bkingx> So possibly something wrong with the form that interfaces with the DB.
[02-Oct-2007 14:36:27] <progma> ? what would cause that?
[02-Oct-2007 14:36:36] <cluther> progma: That's definitely a problem with the status table in the events database.
[02-Oct-2007 14:38:00] <progma> cluther: thx for clarification
[02-Oct-2007 14:38:08] <cluther> progma: Hard crash or MySQL bug most likely.
[02-Oct-2007 14:38:15] <cluther> progma: Have you changed your my.cnf?
[02-Oct-2007 14:38:49] <MoreDakka> Good Morning all. cluther, did you find out a problem with the Cisco 871 on 2.090 after I sent those logs to you? (just curious....I'm trying to get 2.091 going but it's not liking me.)
[02-Oct-2007 14:38:58] <progma> nope, aug 21 last change
[02-Oct-2007 14:40:09] <cluther> MoreDakka: No.. the snmp responses seemed good. I was expecting to see missing or malformed netmasks..
[02-Oct-2007 14:40:33] <cluther> progma: hmm.. is it possible that someone changed the my.cnf on Aug 21 and the MySQL server wasn't restarted until now?
[02-Oct-2007 14:40:40] <MoreDakka> Well that sucks....hoping that could have found you the problem...
[02-Oct-2007 14:40:52] <cluther> progma: I'm harping on this issue because it's the only time I've ever seen that error happen on an InnoDB table.
[02-Oct-2007 14:45:22] <MoreDakka> This isn't a zenoss question but I'll ask it anyways and see if I can get an answer... Our Production box is running FC5, which CentOS is closer to that distro, 4 or 5?
[02-Oct-2007 14:45:47] <MoreDakka> I just don't have FC5 disks and thought I could get away with CentOS...maybe I'll d/l them today...
[02-Oct-2007 14:46:53] <progma> cluther: hmm the admin here says he did restart it last night
[02-Oct-2007 14:47:43] <progma> let me make sure zenoss can talk to mysql
[02-Oct-2007 14:48:42] <cluther> progma: This could be tricky. What probably happened that some of the InnoDB settings in my.cnf were changed, invalidating your tables. You need to figure out what the my.cnf used to look like and change it back.
[02-Oct-2007 14:49:11] <cluther> progma: If you want to change InnoDB settings, you have to dump the database, change the settings, then import it again.
[02-Oct-2007 14:50:47] <progma> they did do an upgrade from 2.0.4 -> 2.0.6
[02-Oct-2007 14:51:50] <progma> and last night was the first time they restarted mysqld
[02-Oct-2007 14:51:56] <progma> cluther: thanks for the infos
[02-Oct-2007 14:55:51] <Bulwinkle> heya cluther, how goes it?
[02-Oct-2007 14:58:02] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Good.. how're things?
[02-Oct-2007 15:01:46] <progma> cluther: up for checking out a pastebin of the zenhub log file ?
[02-Oct-2007 15:02:14] <cluther> progma: Couldn't hurt to paste it. :)
[02-Oct-2007 15:06:01] <progma> cluther: http://pastebin.ca/723107
[02-Oct-2007 15:06:08] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - progma - post number 723107 (at pastebin.ca)
[02-Oct-2007 15:06:23] <progma> it's pretty redundant, stuck in a loop trying to talk to those .frm
[02-Oct-2007 15:07:37] <cluther> progma: Yeah.. it'll never work until you fix MySQL.
[02-Oct-2007 15:08:30] <progma> ok thanks
[02-Oct-2007 15:11:07] <imperfect-> dude
[02-Oct-2007 15:11:08] <imperfect-> wtf
[02-Oct-2007 15:11:32] <imperfect-> How the in living hell do I enter the network 167.217.96.0/22 into fscking zenos?!?!
[02-Oct-2007 15:11:40] <imperfect-> It keeps telling me it has an invalid character
[02-Oct-2007 15:11:55] <progma> ditto
[02-Oct-2007 15:11:59] <Trojaneyez> imperfect- when you figure it out, let me know
[02-Oct-2007 15:12:06] <imperfect-> This is the most retarded fucking thing ever
[02-Oct-2007 15:12:13] <Trojaneyez> imperfect- lol
[02-Oct-2007 15:12:32] <imperfect-> You'd think they would have solved this on something that is supposedly stable
[02-Oct-2007 15:12:32] <exothermc_> Ok so is there anyway to modify this data directly when the interface is tripping all over itself?
[02-Oct-2007 15:12:35] <imperfect-> You've got to be histting me
[02-Oct-2007 15:12:57] <Trojaneyez> imperfect- I'm not sure it supports anything but a /24
[02-Oct-2007 15:13:07] <imperfect-> Yeah
[02-Oct-2007 15:13:11] <imperfect-> that's completely fucking worthless
[02-Oct-2007 15:13:25] <Trojaneyez> imperfect- there has to be something we are missing
[02-Oct-2007 15:13:32] <imperfect-> I looked at the qucikstart guide
[02-Oct-2007 15:13:43] <imperfect-> it and TELLS you to use CIDR notation
[02-Oct-2007 15:13:47] <exothermc_> imperfect-: Just setup your routers correctly then model them and you are done.
[02-Oct-2007 15:13:59] <imperfect-> exothermc_ : Huh?
[02-Oct-2007 15:14:12] <Trojaneyez> exothermc_ so let the routing tables take care of the network shaping?
[02-Oct-2007 15:14:19] <exothermc_> imperfect-: It will autodiscover you networks from your routers /22s /24/s /28s etc
[02-Oct-2007 15:14:22] <imperfect-> There's not even anywher to input a IP address on the damn ADD Device
[02-Oct-2007 15:15:17] <Trojaneyez> exothermc_ what if you have two routers handling BGP, in a the instance of a circuit failure
[02-Oct-2007 15:15:25] <exothermc_> imperfect-: hmm well if you can't figure that much out.... back to the manual for you.
[02-Oct-2007 15:15:45] <imperfect-> exothermc_ : THERE IS NO FUCKING PLACE FOR AN IP ADDRESS ON THE ADD DEVICE PAGE
[02-Oct-2007 15:15:49] <imperfect-> exothermc_ : THIS IS NOT ME
[02-Oct-2007 15:16:01] <Trojaneyez> imperfect- calm down buddy
[02-Oct-2007 15:16:06] <exothermc_> imperfect-: yup I would stick to nice basic things with pictures.
[02-Oct-2007 15:16:16] <imperfect-> Name != IP
[02-Oct-2007 15:16:52] <exothermc_> Trojaneyez: shouldn't be an issue, our bgp routers were modeled correctly.
[02-Oct-2007 15:17:06] <Trojaneyez> exothermc_ ok, i was curious about it, thanks
[02-Oct-2007 15:17:21] <creiht> imperfect-: If you put in the hostname it will look up the ip, and vise versa
[02-Oct-2007 15:17:49] <Bulwinkle> cluther: things are good...
[02-Oct-2007 15:17:54] <exothermc_> creiht: I'm sure he is adding it from the wrong location.
[02-Oct-2007 15:18:24] <imperfect-> creiht : Yeah that was what I just tried before he was telling me to look at pictures or some such shit ;)
[02-Oct-2007 15:19:03] <progma> imperfect-: can you give me some advice while i curse like an ingrateful sailor at you? ;)
[02-Oct-2007 15:19:14] <Trojaneyez> Has anyone in here ever use Zenoss with Canopy (Motorola) equipment?
[02-Oct-2007 15:19:25] <imperfect-> progma : Uhm. I didn't curse AT anyone in particular
[02-Oct-2007 15:19:38] <imperfect-> And I think ungrateful would be the better word.
[02-Oct-2007 15:19:59] <imperfect-> blah
[02-Oct-2007 15:20:02] <imperfect-> Apologies all around
[02-Oct-2007 15:20:09] <imperfect-> Me and Zenoss are not friends atm
[02-Oct-2007 15:20:37] <creiht> imperfect-: I think that you will find if you take a moment to learn the interface, things will make a lot more sense
[02-Oct-2007 15:20:37] <exothermc_> imperfect-: 1.) Classes -> Devices
[02-Oct-2007 15:20:50] <exothermc_> imperfect-: Then click drop down
[02-Oct-2007 15:21:19] <exothermc_> imperfect-: Manage -> Add device
[02-Oct-2007 15:21:24] <progma> imperfect-: you're right :)
[02-Oct-2007 15:22:13] <exothermc_> imperfect-: Put your router(s) in there and you are done.
[02-Oct-2007 15:24:07] <exothermc_> imperfect-: Well then you will need to go to your network tabs and select which networks you want to autodiscover devices on, but assuming you have snmp setup correctly on your routers then it should all be done.
[02-Oct-2007 15:24:58] <creiht> imperfect-: The other advantage of doing that way is that zenoss will set up dependencies that way
[02-Oct-2007 15:25:16] <exothermc_> my biggest beef with the system was on install I couldn't find the default password to first login.
[02-Oct-2007 15:25:42] <Trojaneyez> how beta is 2.1 atm?
[02-Oct-2007 15:27:31] <exothermc_> Can anyone else find the default install password when installing on a RH 4/5 system?
[02-Oct-2007 15:27:43] <Trojaneyez> default for zenoss?
[02-Oct-2007 15:27:44] <exothermc_> From the either the install docs or the manual?
[02-Oct-2007 15:27:48] <exothermc_> ya
[02-Oct-2007 15:28:01] <Trojaneyez> admin
[02-Oct-2007 15:28:02] <Trojaneyez> zenoss
[02-Oct-2007 15:28:08] <exothermc_> like out of the box it comes with admin/zenoss
[02-Oct-2007 15:28:18] <exothermc_> but how is someone suppose to know that information.
[02-Oct-2007 15:28:37] <Trojaneyez> it's in the documentation
[02-Oct-2007 15:28:45] <exothermc_> page?
[02-Oct-2007 15:28:57] <Trojaneyez> 8 of 21 in the quickstartguide
[02-Oct-2007 15:29:56] <exothermc_> but if I'm not using the vmware image why would I be reading that?
[02-Oct-2007 15:30:34] <Trojaneyez> exothermc_ I found the quickstart guide for the centos RPM/Source install
[02-Oct-2007 15:30:36] <exothermc_> quickstart shouldn't contain information not found somewhere else, only a condensed version.
[02-Oct-2007 15:30:55] <Trojaneyez> exothermc_ I agree with you, not arguing that point. I just happen to run across it first time
[02-Oct-2007 15:30:55] <exothermc_> Just a beef I had.
[02-Oct-2007 15:31:14] <exothermc_> sourced from a 45 mins looking for that password ;)
[02-Oct-2007 15:31:27] <Trojaneyez> :) that's not good
[02-Oct-2007 15:31:44] <kgoedtel> 45 minutes to find a password, wow
[02-Oct-2007 15:32:06] <exothermc_> ya I wasn't impressed, (with myself or the docs)
[02-Oct-2007 15:32:33] <kgoedtel> i agree the docs are a bit lacking, but it's not that hard to find the pass :]
[02-Oct-2007 15:33:38] <exothermc_> Does anyone know of a good way to edit the zope object database directly? like when the interface is tripping on itself?
[02-Oct-2007 15:34:24] <Trojaneyez> exothermc_ how many people have moved from Nagios to Zenoss?
[02-Oct-2007 15:34:36] <Trojaneyez> exothermc_ sorry didn't mean tot point that towards you
[02-Oct-2007 15:38:17] <creiht> exothermc_: add /manage to whatever url you are looking at
[02-Oct-2007 15:39:22] <creiht> exothermc_: Though you shouldn't have to do that, I havn't had many problems of the interface tripping over it self
[02-Oct-2007 15:39:41] <creiht> note that I have not had a chance to install the beta yet though
[02-Oct-2007 15:43:37] <exothermc_> creiht: try to enter a network manually
[02-Oct-2007 15:45:07] <exothermc_> Trojaneyez: : I wouldn't move entirely away from nagios btw, it does have its place and does it very well.
[02-Oct-2007 15:46:12] <Trojaneyez> exothermc_ I have a full blown Nagios server plowing away at 8k devices, I am just looking at something that doesn't require so much custom perl scripting
[02-Oct-2007 15:48:04] <exothermc_> Well yes, I'm not saying don't use zenoss at the core, but depending on your setup, I wouldn't suggest ditching nagios completely.
[02-Oct-2007 15:48:31] <Trojaneyez> exothermc_ because I haven't gotten very far into Zenoss, what would you say the prime differences are between the two?
[02-Oct-2007 15:50:05] <exothermc_> Well zenoss is setup to work off snmp from the core, and that makes life easier for changes etc.
[02-Oct-2007 15:50:41] <exothermc_> and honestly for me it was the web interface.
[02-Oct-2007 15:51:16] <Trojaneyez> exothermc_ I built a customer web interface for Nagios, casue I didn't like any of the options and some people think that you need something pretty to get work done or it's not a good product :)
[02-Oct-2007 15:51:28] <exothermc_> opennms has a similar approach, but you are still hand coding some xml files, but it does scale really well. Not sure how zenoss is going to scale yet.
[02-Oct-2007 15:52:10] <exothermc_> Ya nagios is great which is why you will see docs for all the nms's telling you how to interface with nagios
[02-Oct-2007 15:52:38] <exothermc_> zenoss+nagios, opennms+nagios etc. but you don't see much other combinations.
[02-Oct-2007 15:53:01] <Trojaneyez> exothermc_ I did look at oreon, but it was a bit cluttered
[02-Oct-2007 15:53:09] <exothermc_> bleh
[02-Oct-2007 15:53:10] <Trojaneyez> well oreon being the frontend of nagios
[02-Oct-2007 15:54:52] <Trojaneyez> exothermc_ I take it you looked at it also at one point?
[02-Oct-2007 15:55:30] <exothermc_> Yes I installed it and set it up, wasn't happy at all.
[02-Oct-2007 15:55:52] <Trojaneyez> exothermc_ I wrote an entire english walk through for it , submited it ,and called it a day with it
[02-Oct-2007 15:56:38] <exothermc_> lol
[02-Oct-2007 15:56:55] <Trojaneyez> i was tired of translating french.. my french is horrific
[02-Oct-2007 15:58:06] <mutil8> groundwork is a fairly easy nagios front end to use, but it's a bit 'sluggish'
[02-Oct-2007 15:59:04] <Trojaneyez> groundwork eh?
[02-Oct-2007 15:59:11] <mutil8> yeah
[02-Oct-2007 15:59:23] <mutil8> http://www.groundworkopensource.com/
[02-Oct-2007 15:59:30] <adytum-bot> Title: GroundWork Open Source IT Monitoring and Network Monitoring Solutions (at www.groundworkopensource.com)
[02-Oct-2007 15:59:43] <kgoedtel> i tried groundwork, hated it
[02-Oct-2007 16:00:22] <kgoedtel> the thing i hated the most is how it modified a bunch of stuff on the system
[02-Oct-2007 16:00:42] <kgoedtel> like it replaced syslog with syslog-ng
[02-Oct-2007 16:00:56] <kgoedtel> and tampered with cron
[02-Oct-2007 16:01:07] <Trojaneyez> yeah
[02-Oct-2007 16:01:11] <mutil8> yeah, wasn't my favorite solution, but if you just want easy to use, it was
[02-Oct-2007 16:01:13] <mutil8> err is
[02-Oct-2007 16:01:40] <kgoedtel> also, the installation looks self contained but it isn't really
[02-Oct-2007 16:01:49] <exothermc_> creiht: looking at /manage now.
[02-Oct-2007 16:02:00] <exothermc_> creiht: can't seem to find a way to modify the data
[02-Oct-2007 16:02:18] <exothermc_> creiht: nm found it.
[02-Oct-2007 16:18:46] <mutil8> i need a little help getting CPU monitoring going on windows machines. I've got SNMP working, and can see network traffic, free memory, paging, etc, but i get nothing for CPU
[02-Oct-2007 16:19:55] <creiht> mutil8: Windows does not expose that by default, you will need to either install snmpinformant or use the WMI module
[02-Oct-2007 16:20:11] <mutil8> yeah, i've got snmpinformant on the box
[02-Oct-2007 16:20:20] <mutil8> and it looks like it's an issue with the particular machine
[02-Oct-2007 16:20:34] <creiht> ahh
[02-Oct-2007 16:20:47] <mutil8> it was my first test machine, i just added a second, and it's working
[02-Oct-2007 16:21:11] <mutil8> i'm getting errors with zenwinmodeler, zenwin, and zeneventlog on this box that isn't displaying cpu usage
[02-Oct-2007 16:21:15] <mutil8> ERROR_HANDLE_EOF: Reached the end of the file. (38)
[02-Oct-2007 16:46:35] <MoreDakka> When I'm trying to do a zen2dump.py I get: http://pastebin.ca/723215
[02-Oct-2007 16:46:42] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - Unnamed - post number 723215 (at pastebin.ca)
[02-Oct-2007 16:46:46] <MoreDakka> Anyone shed some light on that?
[02-Oct-2007 16:46:59] <dschrock> does anyone know of a commandline flag I can pass to zenmodeler to remodel an entire class?
[02-Oct-2007 16:48:58] <MoreDakka> nvm...su'd to user zenoss and didn't create the globals properly.
[02-Oct-2007 16:52:30] <kgoedtel> dschrock: zenmodeler run -p /device/class ? i think that would work
[02-Oct-2007 16:53:09] <dschrock> nice, i'll give it a shot. thanks
[02-Oct-2007 17:09:16] <MoreDakka> Has anyone successfully imported data from a 1.x server to a 2.x server? I've tried http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/install-guides/data-migration-zenoss-1-x-to-2.0/ many times and it doesn't work.
[02-Oct-2007 17:09:30] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss - Data Migration: Zenoss 1.x to 2.0 - Open Source Application, Server, and Network Management (at www.zenoss.com)
[02-Oct-2007 17:10:09] <MoreDakka> I keep getting http://pastebin.ca/723238
[02-Oct-2007 17:10:17] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - Someone - post number 723238 (at pastebin.ca)
[02-Oct-2007 17:14:37] FuL|OUT is now known as fulgas
[02-Oct-2007 17:25:20] <eurowerke> hey everyone
[02-Oct-2007 17:25:30] <eurowerke> why doesn't the zenoss start/stop script start my zenperfxmlrpc?
[02-Oct-2007 17:26:06] <eurowerke> I'm beginning to think that some of these odd problems I've been having have been because I had a root password set in MySQL when I installed zenoss :P
[02-Oct-2007 17:26:49] <dschrock> which version? after 2.0.? zenperfxmlrpc isn't used anymore
[02-Oct-2007 17:27:05] <eurowerke> so how can I get it to stop notifying me that it isn't running?
[02-Oct-2007 17:27:15] <eurowerke> on the dashboard
[02-Oct-2007 17:27:46] <eurowerke> just wait for the next version? :-P
[02-Oct-2007 17:27:49] <dschrock> go to the event manager
[02-Oct-2007 17:28:14] <dschrock> select clear heart beats from the menu next to 'Edit'
[02-Oct-2007 17:28:14] <eurowerke> ok
[02-Oct-2007 17:28:30] <dschrock> iirc, that should do it
[02-Oct-2007 17:29:17] <eurowerke> yeah that clears it out but why does it alert in the first place? is there somewhere I can disable that?
[02-Oct-2007 17:29:36] <eurowerke> when I restart zenoss or reboot the server
[02-Oct-2007 17:31:13] <eurowerke> it also says that zenstatus isn't running but it is
[02-Oct-2007 17:34:55] <dschrock> i think the status is stored in a db, so it survives a reboot.
[02-Oct-2007 17:35:48] <dschrock> hrmm... what does 'zenoss status' show... i've seen this happen if 2 processes get started instead of 1...
[02-Oct-2007 17:36:50] <dschrock> you could try stopping zenstatus, then looking at the processes to see of there is another one there
[02-Oct-2007 17:37:51] <progma> i'm having this same problem: http://lists.zenoss.org/pipermail/zenoss-users/2006/001577.html is there a resolution somewhere
[02-Oct-2007 17:38:17] <progma> zeneventlog doesn't stay on
[02-Oct-2007 17:55:54] <eurowerke> Daemon: zenstatus program running; pid=3445
[02-Oct-2007 17:57:40] <eurowerke> ps -axfu |grep zenstatus.py shows only one proc running
[02-Oct-2007 17:57:58] <dschrock> hrmm..
[02-Oct-2007 17:58:35] <kgoedtel> is there anything peculiar in the zenstatus log?
[02-Oct-2007 17:59:20] <eurowerke> not that I noticed...
[02-Oct-2007 17:59:23] <eurowerke> ah
[02-Oct-2007 17:59:24] <eurowerke> hrm
[02-Oct-2007 17:59:29] <eurowerke> it suddenly disappeared
[02-Oct-2007 17:59:39] <eurowerke> first time it ever went away
[02-Oct-2007 17:59:55] <eurowerke> seemed to go away after I ran the ps axfu
[02-Oct-2007 17:59:56] <eurowerke> lol
[02-Oct-2007 18:00:23] <eurowerke> it will come back though... hrm
[02-Oct-2007 18:01:05] <eurowerke> the logs didn't seem to show anything weird yesterday when I checked it
[02-Oct-2007 18:01:12] <eurowerke> let me check again
[02-Oct-2007 18:07:34] x-spec-t is now known as Spec
[02-Oct-2007 18:09:10] <imperfect-> Anyone around?
[02-Oct-2007 18:09:38] <progma> i'll take a stab
[02-Oct-2007 18:18:56] <pablo27> were do i have to go to edit the default message? (emails)
[02-Oct-2007 18:41:37] <Trojaneyez> Will zenoss graph Cisco Bandwidth via SNMP?
[02-Oct-2007 18:42:06] <Bulwinkle> Trojaneyez: yes
[02-Oct-2007 18:42:54] <Trojaneyez> Bulwinkle I must be midding it then :(
[02-Oct-2007 18:42:59] <Trojaneyez> missing *
[02-Oct-2007 18:44:30] <Bulwinkle> Trojaneyez: have you added a device?
[02-Oct-2007 18:44:38] <Trojaneyez> yes
[02-Oct-2007 18:44:53] <Bulwinkle> click on the device then click the OS tab
[02-Oct-2007 18:45:45] <Trojaneyez> ok
[02-Oct-2007 18:45:52] <Trojaneyez> on OS tab
[02-Oct-2007 18:46:20] <Bulwinkle> Trojaneyez: do you see your interfaces listed at the top?
[02-Oct-2007 18:46:41] <Trojaneyez> yes, and I just found it
[02-Oct-2007 18:46:59] <Trojaneyez> very cool, Is there a way to integrate that graph into the Perf tab?
[02-Oct-2007 18:48:33] <Bulwinkle> Trojaneyez: I've never looked in to it....
[02-Oct-2007 18:48:40] <Trojaneyez> Ok, thank you Bulwinkle
[02-Oct-2007 18:55:11] <mutil8> any of you happen to be using a sonicwall firewall?
[02-Oct-2007 18:55:34] <mutil8> i have snmp enabled on the device, but i still can't add it
[02-Oct-2007 18:55:41] <pablo27> i do mutil8
[02-Oct-2007 18:56:37] <pablo27> witch sonicOs versino do u have?
[02-Oct-2007 18:57:01] <mutil8> SonicOS Enhanced 3.2.3.0-6e
[02-Oct-2007 18:57:20] <mutil8> it's on a 2040pro device
[02-Oct-2007 18:59:00] <pablo27> ok, so u have to enable snmp un the config just to set de community is ok
[02-Oct-2007 18:59:34] <mutil8> yeahn, snmp is enabled
[02-Oct-2007 18:59:39] <mutil8> setup the community, setup the host
[02-Oct-2007 19:00:04] <pablo27> and here is the trick on networks\interfaces for each interface u have to choose wich administration protocols are enabled
[02-Oct-2007 19:00:19] <pablo27> so in the lan add snmp
[02-Oct-2007 19:00:55] <mutil8> hmmm
[02-Oct-2007 19:03:02] <mutil8> there we go
[02-Oct-2007 19:03:06] <mutil8> it wasn't enabled for the LAN
[02-Oct-2007 19:03:07] <mutil8> thanks
[02-Oct-2007 19:03:27] <pablo27> that took me 1 day :)
[02-Oct-2007 19:04:13] <mutil8> haha
[02-Oct-2007 19:04:22] <mutil8> i started messing with it yesterday
[02-Oct-2007 19:06:15] <mutil8> so now my next question is about adding the sonicwall MIB
[02-Oct-2007 19:06:21] <mutil8> i tried importing it, but it doesn't seem to work
[02-Oct-2007 19:07:13] <pablo27> i added some datapoints of current connections cpu ussage and mem usage u dont need more than that
[02-Oct-2007 19:08:58] <mutil8> can you point me in the right direction on finding these?
[02-Oct-2007 19:09:14] <pablo27> do u have the mib?
[02-Oct-2007 19:10:07] <mutil8> yeah
[02-Oct-2007 19:10:11] <mutil8> there's actually 3
[02-Oct-2007 19:10:43] <pablo27> i hav donwloaded a program to see them easily ireason i think its called
[02-Oct-2007 19:10:50] <pablo27> and them copy them manually
[02-Oct-2007 19:12:29] <mutil8> great, thanks, i'll look into that
[02-Oct-2007 19:19:00] <pablo27> anyone knows how to change the deefaul email message format?
[02-Oct-2007 19:22:04] <progma> anyone here admin the zenoss website
[02-Oct-2007 19:27:17] <MoreDakka> In 2.091 (I'm not sure if it should do this or not) on the dashboard on the portlet "device issues" it has some of the discovered devices that don't have any problems but are still listed there...is that normal?
[02-Oct-2007 19:27:50] <progma> pablo27: how do you mean
[02-Oct-2007 19:28:11] <progma> pablo27: the subjects and message bodies?
[02-Oct-2007 19:30:46] <kgoedtel> i think he wants to know how to change the default template not anything particular to a user
[02-Oct-2007 19:31:01] <kgoedtel> since that is easy to do and straightforward
[02-Oct-2007 19:31:59] <lytrean> Hi everyone. I have a situation where I need to have an event auto-acknolwedge itself after a certain amount of time. Is this easy/possible in zenoss?
[02-Oct-2007 19:36:39] <kgoedtel> pablo27: i think what you are looking for is found in $ZENHOME/Products/ZenEvents/ActionRule.py
[02-Oct-2007 19:37:42] <eurowerke> Dakka: my zenstatus said it had an issue
[02-Oct-2007 19:37:53] <eurowerke> and it was listed under Device Issued portlet but it was running
[02-Oct-2007 19:38:03] <eurowerke> suddenly it just went away today
[02-Oct-2007 19:38:06] <eurowerke> I have no idea what I did
[02-Oct-2007 19:38:21] <eurowerke> I ran ps axfu to check to be sure there weren't 2 daemons running
[02-Oct-2007 19:38:29] <eurowerke> and ran zenoss status and suddenly it was gone
[02-Oct-2007 19:38:49] <eurowerke> i think it may return if I reboot though
[02-Oct-2007 19:39:59] <dschrock> eurowerke: most likely, clearing the heartbeats took care of it...
[02-Oct-2007 19:40:34] <dschrock> its takes a few for everything catch up, so it lingered in zenoss issues until everything cleared out
[02-Oct-2007 19:41:28] <pablo27> <progma> pablo27: the subjects and message bodies? yes
[02-Oct-2007 19:42:43] <kgoedtel> pablo27: on a per user basis or by default?
[02-Oct-2007 19:43:11] <pablo27> by default to all users, later maybe i need to change to someone specific
[02-Oct-2007 19:43:29] <kgoedtel> you cant do it in the ui because it is hardcoded in the python
[02-Oct-2007 19:43:32] <eurowerke> i had cleared those out before
[02-Oct-2007 19:43:35] <eurowerke> but it would always return
[02-Oct-2007 19:43:38] <eurowerke> i would clear
[02-Oct-2007 19:43:41] <eurowerke> stop zenoss, and reboot
[02-Oct-2007 19:43:44] <eurowerke> and it would be back
[02-Oct-2007 19:44:02] <lytrean> can zenoss set some kind of decay number on the severity of an event? so if the event isn't repeated over time it lowers it's severity until it is cleared?
[02-Oct-2007 19:44:20] <eurowerke> lol wow complicated features
[02-Oct-2007 19:44:20] <eurowerke> hehe
[02-Oct-2007 19:44:27] <kgoedtel> lytrean: why would you want to do that?
[02-Oct-2007 19:44:28] <eurowerke> that's why I'm having such trouble getting stuff to work!
[02-Oct-2007 19:44:33] <eurowerke> one of these days
[02-Oct-2007 19:44:39] <eurowerke> I'm going to install an SNMP agent on my toaster
[02-Oct-2007 19:44:42] <eurowerke> and monitor it with Zenoss
[02-Oct-2007 19:44:50] <eurowerke> ^_%
[02-Oct-2007 19:44:54] <eurowerke> ^_^ *
[02-Oct-2007 19:45:07] <lytrean> kgoedtel: i need an event to auto-clear itself after a certain amount of time.
[02-Oct-2007 19:45:33] <lytrean> kgoedtel: if the error hasn't repeated
[02-Oct-2007 19:45:41] <kgoedtel> lytrean: why not just set the critical threshold higher?
[02-Oct-2007 19:46:53] <kgoedtel> also, events already 'auto clear' if the problem does not continue to persist
[02-Oct-2007 19:47:23] <kgoedtel> otherwise if it persists then your only option is to acnowledge it
[02-Oct-2007 19:47:25] <lytrean> kgoedtel: really? i thought a manual clear/acknowledge was required or it would always just sit there.
[02-Oct-2007 19:47:54] <kgoedtel> give me an example, i have never witnessed such behavior
[02-Oct-2007 19:48:34] <Trojaneyez> I work for an ISP and when modeling a Cisco 7206VXR it always times out, I moved it out to 1000 seconds, and still is timing out. It is the Gateway for our customers. I can manually poll it using snmpwalk and it seems to go for ever. Any suggestions?
[02-Oct-2007 19:48:38] <kgoedtel> events go to history if they do not persist
[02-Oct-2007 19:49:05] <kgoedtel> you can manually move them to history, but if it is a peristent problem it will reappear
[02-Oct-2007 19:49:58] <kgoedtel> Trojaneyez: are you sure it is using the proper version in zenoss? (v1 v2c)
[02-Oct-2007 19:50:20] <Trojaneyez> v2c si what i'm using and it responds properly on CLI
[02-Oct-2007 19:50:26] <lytrean> kgoedtel: the problem is that it isn't something like cpu monitoring. it's an alert that was submitted from a standalone application via a rest call. so the application itself never says "hey i'm fine now" so the event sits in the "new" unacknowledged state
[02-Oct-2007 19:51:12] <kgoedtel> lytrean: it seems to me that you would be better of making the program understand what an OK status is
[02-Oct-2007 19:51:39] <lytrean> yeah, i agree. but my manager doesn't heh
[02-Oct-2007 19:51:47] <kgoedtel> laziness++
[02-Oct-2007 19:51:49] <kgoedtel> :]
[02-Oct-2007 20:05:04] <sleske> hi
[02-Oct-2007 20:09:27] <kgoedtel> alo
[02-Oct-2007 20:11:04] <sleske> ah, someone else
[02-Oct-2007 20:11:17] <sleske> do you use process monitoring in Zenoss?
[02-Oct-2007 20:14:30] <kgoedtel> nope
[02-Oct-2007 20:14:52] <kgoedtel> but i know some things about it
[02-Oct-2007 20:21:10] <sleske> sorry, was away
[02-Oct-2007 20:21:13] <sleske> ah, ok
[02-Oct-2007 20:21:25] <sleske> well, we use it, but it sometimes loses processes
[02-Oct-2007 20:26:38] <MoreDakka> Hey
[02-Oct-2007 20:26:39] <MoreDakka> In 2.091 (I'm not sure if it should do this or not) on the dashboard on the portlet "device issues" it has some of the discovered devices that don't have any problems but are still listed there...is that normal?
[02-Oct-2007 20:27:16] <mutil8> MoreDakka: does that for me as well
[02-Oct-2007 20:27:37] <MoreDakka> Ah...probably what it's suppost to do....doesn't make sense...but oh well.
[02-Oct-2007 20:27:45] <sleske> I don't use the beta, sorry...
[02-Oct-2007 20:28:23] <mutil8> yeah, im loading up 2.0.6 vm right now
[02-Oct-2007 20:28:33] <mutil8> i'm having strange issues with the beta release
[02-Oct-2007 20:28:40] <MoreDakka> to see if it does it in there as well?
[02-Oct-2007 20:28:55] <MoreDakka> like what?
[02-Oct-2007 20:29:11] <mutil8> well, i can't add users
[02-Oct-2007 20:29:24] <mutil8> and if i click on preferences, i get an error
[02-Oct-2007 20:29:31] <mutil8> device auto discovery doesn't work
[02-Oct-2007 20:29:58] <MoreDakka> Hmmm....what OS?
[02-Oct-2007 20:30:12] <MoreDakka> I just added a user and the auto-discovery worked for me earlier.
[02-Oct-2007 20:30:17] <MoreDakka> I'm on CentOS5
[02-Oct-2007 20:30:37] <mutil8> debian
[02-Oct-2007 20:30:49] <MoreDakka> ... I ?? then :-/
[02-Oct-2007 20:31:24] <mutil8> Error: option --monitor: conflicting option string(s): --monitor
[02-Oct-2007 20:31:26] <mutil8> i get that error
[02-Oct-2007 20:31:39] <MoreDakka> Yeah a few people have been getting that error.
[02-Oct-2007 20:32:07] <MoreDakka> I get some ugly errors when trying to model a cisco 871.
[02-Oct-2007 20:32:15] <MoreDakka> everything else that I've tried models no problem.
[02-Oct-2007 20:33:41] <kgoedtel> ugly errors? like bad oids?
[02-Oct-2007 20:35:48] <tolland> Hi Chaps
[02-Oct-2007 20:36:26] <mutil8> howdy
[02-Oct-2007 20:36:40] <MoreDakka> Not bad OIDs...hold on I'll get it for you ;-)
[02-Oct-2007 20:37:56] <tolland> I am having trouble getting the src rpm to build on x86_64 rhel 4
[02-Oct-2007 20:38:54] <MoreDakka> Joyyyy -> http://pastebin.ca/723491
[02-Oct-2007 20:39:04] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - Miscellany - post number 723491 (at pastebin.ca)
[02-Oct-2007 20:43:52] <iamiam> hello
[02-Oct-2007 20:44:42] <sleske> tolland: what happens if you try to build?
[02-Oct-2007 20:49:23] <tolland_> sorry - got disconnected - did I miss anything..
[02-Oct-2007 20:49:49] <lytrean> nope
[02-Oct-2007 20:50:29] <MoreDakka> [14:45] <sleske> tolland: what happens if you try to build?
[02-Oct-2007 20:50:33] <MoreDakka> middrf yhsy
[02-Oct-2007 20:50:36] <MoreDakka> that
[02-Oct-2007 20:50:45] <MoreDakka> wow...tired.
[02-Oct-2007 20:50:47] <lytrean> oops. missed that. sorry toll
[02-Oct-2007 20:50:48] <MoreDakka> missed that
[02-Oct-2007 20:51:24] <lytrean> so, there's a setting under Management->Event Manager for Event aging... can anyone explain how that works? can it be configured per event class?
[02-Oct-2007 20:51:35] <sleske> tolland: what happens if you try to build?
[02-Oct-2007 20:51:59] <tolland_> with the current MySQL packages it fails due to dependency requirements...
[02-Oct-2007 20:52:10] <MoreDakka> Yeah I gave up on that.
[02-Oct-2007 20:52:23] <MoreDakka> Asks for like libsomething.14 right?
[02-Oct-2007 20:52:32] <tolland_> so I looked at the spec file and I can see that I can change the server-standard and cleint-standard to community
[02-Oct-2007 20:53:22] <tolland_> however it is requiring the MySQL-shared-community
[02-Oct-2007 20:53:41] <tolland_> but I have the MySQL-shared-compat installed, which is required by php-myqsl
[02-Oct-2007 20:54:33] <tolland_> and trying to install both won't work
[02-Oct-2007 20:55:03] <tolland_> if I force it to use require the MySQL-shared-compat, the build fails...
[02-Oct-2007 20:55:28] <tolland_> which is not surprising I guess, but I thought that package had all the required libs in it..?
[02-Oct-2007 20:56:53] <sleske> tolland: hm, sounds tricky, lemme think
[02-Oct-2007 20:57:17] <mutil8> you need to enable the repo
[02-Oct-2007 20:57:33] <tolland_> hmm. according to MySQL docs, if you have MySQL-shared-compat you should not install MySQL-shared-community
[02-Oct-2007 20:57:33] <mutil8> and then install with yum
[02-Oct-2007 20:57:58] <tolland_> however, I need MySQL-shared-compat, and zenoss needs MySQL-shared-community
[02-Oct-2007 20:58:01] <mutil8> http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?forum=24&topic_id=4969&viewmode=flat
[02-Oct-2007 20:58:16] <adytum-bot> Title: www.centos.org - Forums - CentOS 4 - Server Support - Howto Upgrade MySQL 4.1 to 5.0 on CentOS 4 server (at www.centos.org)
[02-Oct-2007 20:59:22] <tolland_> is that to force php-mysql to use the new libs?
[02-Oct-2007 20:59:48] <sleske> tolland: Why do you need php-myqsl? Is that required by the spec file?
[02-Oct-2007 20:59:49] <tolland_> I already run MySQL 5.0.41, I just need the old libs that are in the shared-compat lib
[02-Oct-2007 21:00:03] <tolland_> its required by other applications on the box
[02-Oct-2007 21:01:32] <sleske> tolland: I see.
[02-Oct-2007 21:04:59] <sleske> tolland: in principle you should be able to install MySQL-shared-community _and_ MySQL-shared-compat. They are for different versions of MySQL, after all. What happens if you try it?
[02-Oct-2007 21:06:21] <sleske> is anyone using process monitoring on linux systems, and experiencing spurious "process not running" from time to time?
[02-Oct-2007 21:06:45] <tolland_> no, it says on MySQL site to not install both
[02-Oct-2007 21:06:49] <sleske> I tried to track this down, and it seems to be a problem in net-snmp, but I'm not sure.
[02-Oct-2007 21:07:25] <sleske> tolland: Well, as far as i understand, you need MySQL-shared-community for MySQL 5.x, and MySQL-shared-compat for MySQL 4.x.
[02-Oct-2007 21:07:43] <tolland_> MySQL shared compat has the 5.0.x libs in as well
[02-Oct-2007 21:07:53] <tolland_> ...
[02-Oct-2007 21:08:03] <sleske> tolland: OK, didn't know that
[02-Oct-2007 21:08:55] <sleske> tolland: well, that almost sounds as if the RPM dependencies are simply incompatible...
[02-Oct-2007 21:09:16] <sleske> tolland: at any rate, you can always take the mysql dep out of the rpm spec for zenoss.
[02-Oct-2007 21:09:44] <sleske> Then install MySQL-shared-community locally (not from RPM), and tell the rpm build where to find it. That should work.
[02-Oct-2007 21:09:53] <sleske> tolland: Details up to you :-/
[02-Oct-2007 21:10:55] <tolland_> cool, thanks for the info so far
[02-Oct-2007 21:11:35] <tolland_> heres a link with the info about compat and community versions;
[02-Oct-2007 21:11:37] <tolland_> http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:hSeCRq88s1cJ:dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/linux-rpm.html+MySQL-shared-community+MySQL-shared-compat&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=uk
[02-Oct-2007 21:11:44] <tolland_> FYI
[02-Oct-2007 21:16:48] <MoreDakka> In v2.091 can the font in the portlets be made smaller? The size 16 font it is right now is big and doesn't need to take up that much space (the systems inside the portlet is what I'm talking about).
[02-Oct-2007 21:17:21] <sleske> tolland: Thanks. Ok, so afaik it seems MySQL-shared-compat is a superset of MySQL-shared. So MySQL-shared-compat should be enough...
[02-Oct-2007 21:18:00] <sleske> tolland: ... but then I don't know why the build fails. Sorry, can't really help any more.
[02-Oct-2007 21:20:21] <Ron_Superior> hi all. does anyone happen to know where I can get the Zenoss API Docs? There is a link to a zip file on zenoss.com, but the file there seems to be corrupt.
[02-Oct-2007 21:25:07] <sleske> Ron_Superior: Look at http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs , "Zenoss API Docs". works for me
[02-Oct-2007 21:25:15] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss - Documentation - Open Source Application, Server, and Network Management (at www.zenoss.com)
[02-Oct-2007 21:27:00] <Ron_Superior> sleske: thanks, though that's the file that doesn't unzip for me. weird. i'll try it on windows i guess.
[02-Oct-2007 21:27:19] <mutil8> Ron_Superior: if you need, i'll put it up on a spot for you
[02-Oct-2007 21:27:35] <sleske> Ron: OK, now I see. Download works, but file seems corrupt (probably truncated, as i can extract the first file).
[02-Oct-2007 21:28:13] <sleske> At any rate, it says it's autogenerated from the sources, so you can just grab the sources and read the comments (you'll need them anyway, probably).
[02-Oct-2007 21:28:15] <mutil8> same
[02-Oct-2007 21:29:20] <Ron_Superior> ah ok. thanks all.
[02-Oct-2007 21:31:18] <sleske> When I use process monitoring, sometimes the events "process not running" will not clear, even though the process is back.
[02-Oct-2007 21:31:26] <sleske> Anyone experiencing that?
[02-Oct-2007 21:32:04] <sleske> The process is back, and is being picked up by Zenoss (I can see that in zenprocess.log), but the event doesn't clear.
[02-Oct-2007 21:32:20] <sleske> If I clear the event by hand, everything's OK (the event doesn't come back).
[02-Oct-2007 21:35:42] <sleske> Couldn't find anything in the bug db either
[02-Oct-2007 21:40:51] <dschrock> anyone have any insight on removing a threshold? I removed it from the template. TRied the PushConfig option, restarted zenperfsnmp. none seem to work. This is in 2.0.91-beta
[02-Oct-2007 21:41:30] <dschrock> i keep getting alerted
[02-Oct-2007 21:42:14] <kgoedtel> i would check for errors in your zenactions log
[02-Oct-2007 21:42:32] <kgoedtel> something similar happened to me
[02-Oct-2007 21:44:06] <dschrock> hrmm... nothing... all INFO
[02-Oct-2007 21:44:57] <eurowerke> I really like Zenoss but all these little problems make me feel like it really ISN'T ready to be used for a production system :(
[02-Oct-2007 21:45:08] <kgoedtel> well he is using the 'beta' :]
[02-Oct-2007 21:45:14] <eurowerke> I'm not
[02-Oct-2007 21:45:24] <eurowerke> and the problems I get still irk me a little too much for comfort
[02-Oct-2007 21:45:26] <kgoedtel> i have 2.0.6 and dont have any problems
[02-Oct-2007 21:45:46] <eurowerke> they REALLY need to get MUCH more documentation
[02-Oct-2007 21:45:55] <mutil8> im in the middle of a 2.0.6 install to see if it fixes some of my issues with the beta release
[02-Oct-2007 21:45:58] <dschrock> agree on Documentation...
[02-Oct-2007 21:46:07] <eurowerke> so much spotty stuff
[02-Oct-2007 21:46:12] <mutil8> any of you using the enterprise edition?
[02-Oct-2007 21:46:19] <kgoedtel> i agree but at the same time, i have learned a lot more because of the fact i wasn't being spoon fed instructions
[02-Oct-2007 21:46:27] <eurowerke> it's like the docs are based off of what a flawless installation should act like
[02-Oct-2007 21:46:33] <eurowerke> and there's no troubleshooting help
[02-Oct-2007 21:46:35] <eurowerke> poo
[02-Oct-2007 21:46:50] <kgoedtel> well, it is free..
[02-Oct-2007 21:46:57] <eurowerke> I the type who needs to know how everything works before I can figure stuff out well enought to make it functional
[02-Oct-2007 21:47:02] <eurowerke> I know.. :-p
[02-Oct-2007 21:47:11] <eurowerke> I'm just being a nitpick
[02-Oct-2007 21:47:23] <eurowerke> but I do feel a little uneasy about some of these problems
[02-Oct-2007 21:47:29] <eurowerke> like they could come up again at any moment
[02-Oct-2007 21:47:35] <kgoedtel> im the type of person who would rather not know how things work beforehand so i can figure it out myself heh
[02-Oct-2007 21:47:39] <dschrock> mutil8: no, we are trying to see how much functionality we can get out of the community version first...
[02-Oct-2007 21:47:49] <eurowerke> I'm sure for an high end user monitoring a huge network that would surely detract from the desire to use it
[02-Oct-2007 21:48:08] <mutil8> dschrock: same here, just wonder what the differences were
[02-Oct-2007 21:49:15] <dschrock> mutil8: there is supposed to be the ability to link different instances together, so each instance can see and act on the other- ie: monitor in Miami connected to a Monitor in SF
[02-Oct-2007 21:50:04] <dschrock> the community version can supposedly do it as well, but one instance is the master, and the rest just poll and send the results
[02-Oct-2007 21:50:56] <sleske> eurowerke: We have similar problems. Most things work most of the time, but when something doesn't, it's a lot of work.
[02-Oct-2007 21:51:11] <dschrock> it is what we are eventually looking to do... we are a national isp so I want to throw a zenoss box in each market and have it report back to a master
[02-Oct-2007 21:51:20] <sleske> We keep intermittently losing monitored processes... which aren't really gone.
[02-Oct-2007 21:51:50] <dschrock> sleske: is it trying to monitor based on pid?
[02-Oct-2007 21:52:01] <dschrock> i haven't touoched process monitoring
[02-Oct-2007 21:52:22] <sleske> And the troubleshooting docs are really practically non-existant. Fortunately the source is available...
[02-Oct-2007 21:52:57] <sleske> dschrock: No, Zenoss monitors by matching process name (and params) against a regexp. But that's not the problem.
[02-Oct-2007 21:53:26] <sleske> dschrock: The proc list is retrieved via SNMP, and that list is apparently incomplete sometimes -> spurious alert
[02-Oct-2007 21:53:36] <dschrock> gah... how fun
[02-Oct-2007 21:55:17] <sleske> dschrock: Yeah. I spent like two days debugging it (and generated a few GB of logs), since I cannot systematically reproduce it... just happens once a day or so.
[02-Oct-2007 21:55:30] fulgas is now known as FuL|OUT
[02-Oct-2007 21:55:39] <sleske> dschrock: But it appears to be a bug in net-nsmp (i.e. on the monitored system)...
[02-Oct-2007 21:57:07] <eurowerke> sleske: that's exactly the sort of thing I mean
[02-Oct-2007 21:57:30] <eurowerke> that would NOT work for an enterprise level user, I think
[02-Oct-2007 21:57:41] <eurowerke> at least for me
[02-Oct-2007 21:57:42] <eurowerke> hehe
[02-Oct-2007 21:57:50] <sleske> eurowerke: Ack. Note, however that in this case I tracked it down as a bug in net-snmp, not in Zenoss (I believe...)
[02-Oct-2007 21:57:55] <eurowerke> what was that problem back in 1.2 I think
[02-Oct-2007 21:58:01] <eurowerke> with a dropout in the graphs like every 8 hours?
[02-Oct-2007 21:58:07] <eurowerke> I can't remember what the reason was for it
[02-Oct-2007 21:58:21] <sleske> eurowerke: Can't remember that one either.
[02-Oct-2007 21:58:24] <eurowerke> that's good
[02-Oct-2007 21:58:28] <eurowerke> does that sound familiar though?
[02-Oct-2007 21:58:40] <eurowerke> I didn't dream that problem up did I?
[02-Oct-2007 21:58:41] <eurowerke> heh
[02-Oct-2007 21:59:00] <sleske> eurowerke: There was, however, also a bug in proc monitoring in Zenoss itself. I know, because I debugged it personally :-(. But after submitting, it was fixed within 12 hours.
[02-Oct-2007 21:59:05] <eurowerke> I just remember coming across it somewhere on the zenoss docs area
[02-Oct-2007 21:59:32] <sleske> eurowerke: Can't remember holes in my graphs. But maybe we were just lucky.
[02-Oct-2007 21:59:46] <eurowerke> i think Zenoss is starting to get so big
[02-Oct-2007 21:59:53] <eurowerke> of course I don't know for sure
[02-Oct-2007 22:00:08] <eurowerke> but it seems they only have those 10 or 12 guys working on it
[02-Oct-2007 22:00:27] <eurowerke> with a few more here and there for support and training courses
[02-Oct-2007 22:00:35] <eurowerke> I'd love to take that training course
[02-Oct-2007 22:00:46] <eurowerke> but $2k is a bit hard to swallow for only 2 days
[02-Oct-2007 22:01:15] <sleske> eurowerke: Yes, I don't think they're very big. The rely on the OSS community :-).
[02-Oct-2007 22:01:23] <dschrock> have a good one guys
[02-Oct-2007 22:01:26] <dschrock> i'm out
[02-Oct-2007 22:01:31] <eurowerke> see ya shcrock
[02-Oct-2007 22:01:34] <eurowerke> lol
[02-Oct-2007 22:01:39] <eurowerke> spelled it wrong anyway ^_^
[02-Oct-2007 22:02:43] <sleske> eurowerke: Yes, 1k$/day is a bit steep. But I think 500-800$ is not unusual, so it's not outrageous.
[02-Oct-2007 22:03:01] <eurowerke> yeah I know
[02-Oct-2007 22:03:09] <eurowerke> if it was $1500 I think it would be pretty worth it
[02-Oct-2007 22:03:16] <eurowerke> that extra $500 is a little too much
[02-Oct-2007 22:03:18] <eurowerke> or if it was 3 days
[02-Oct-2007 22:03:21] <eurowerke> that'd be a great deal
[02-Oct-2007 22:03:35] <sleske> eurowerke: You could just ask. Maybe they are willing to compromise...
[02-Oct-2007 22:04:02] <eurowerke> heyyyy
[02-Oct-2007 22:04:07] <eurowerke> maybe you can help me here
[02-Oct-2007 22:04:18] <eurowerke> for some reason
[02-Oct-2007 22:04:23] <eurowerke> when I try to IRC from my local client
[02-Oct-2007 22:04:27] <eurowerke> I can join the network
[02-Oct-2007 22:04:31] <eurowerke> but I can't join the channel
[02-Oct-2007 22:04:39] <eurowerke> or any channel for that matter
[02-Oct-2007 22:04:48] <eurowerke> i have to ssh to another box and get in from there
[02-Oct-2007 22:05:04] <sleske> eurowerke: Hm, don't know much about irc...
[02-Oct-2007 22:05:28] <sleske> Anyway: What client do you use? What does "I can't join the channel" mean? What happens?
[02-Oct-2007 22:05:36] <eurowerke> it really seemed to be a firewall problem, but the fact that I could connect and get the MOTD quickly made that doubtful
[02-Oct-2007 22:05:40] <eurowerke> i was using mIRC
[02-Oct-2007 22:05:50] <eurowerke> right now I'm using epic on a remote host :P
[02-Oct-2007 22:08:01] <mutil8> if you can connect to the server, it's not a firewall issue
[02-Oct-2007 22:08:08] <eurowerke> yeah
[02-Oct-2007 22:08:14] <eurowerke> it almost seems like one way
[02-Oct-2007 22:08:24] <eurowerke> like the server won't take my input
[02-Oct-2007 22:08:40] <eurowerke> it does lag a tiny bit in notifying me about identifying my nick
[02-Oct-2007 22:08:59] <eurowerke> and when I do, it sometimes won't respond, it will just sit there
[02-Oct-2007 22:09:20] <eurowerke> other times I can send it fine, but as soon as I try to join the chan, it won't work
[02-Oct-2007 22:09:25] <eurowerke> that is what happens most of the time
[02-Oct-2007 22:09:46] <eurowerke> i even tried to use an IP address outside of the firewall to be SURE it wasn't the firewall, and I had same prob
[02-Oct-2007 22:10:08] <eurowerke> so maybe ISP? or freenode somehow has my IP blacklisted or something weird like that?
[02-Oct-2007 22:10:12] <eurowerke> bleh
[02-Oct-2007 22:10:13] <eurowerke> heh
[02-Oct-2007 22:10:39] <sleske> eurowerke: Sound very unusual at any rate.
[02-Oct-2007 22:10:53] <sleske> eurowerke: Have you considered desperate measures? Like tcpdump?
[02-Oct-2007 22:11:26] <mutil8> can you connect to other irc networks?
[02-Oct-2007 22:11:30] <mutil8> like irc.efnet.org
[02-Oct-2007 22:11:33] <eurowerke> hrm
[02-Oct-2007 22:11:42] <eurowerke> heh sleske, I actually did run tcpdump
[02-Oct-2007 22:11:57] <eurowerke> but the output was so noisy I'd have to get ethereal or something to analyze it
[02-Oct-2007 22:12:05] <eurowerke> and didn't have the time to do that
[02-Oct-2007 22:13:11] <eurowerke> one thing of note, though
[02-Oct-2007 22:13:17] <eurowerke> is that my forward and reverse DNS don't match
[02-Oct-2007 22:13:19] <mutil8> mIRC is terrible anyways
[02-Oct-2007 22:13:22] <mutil8> use irssi
[02-Oct-2007 22:13:25] <eurowerke> yeah I never liked it
[02-Oct-2007 22:13:37] <eurowerke> I can't even used bitchx from the server I have zenoss running on
[02-Oct-2007 22:13:44] <eurowerke> that's where I first discovered the prob
[02-Oct-2007 22:13:47] <eurowerke> was trying to use bitchx
[02-Oct-2007 22:14:07] <sleske> eurowerke: dns and rdns not matching is very ugly and bound to cause problems...
[02-Oct-2007 22:14:34] <eurowerke> hrm
[02-Oct-2007 22:14:38] <mutil8> yep
[02-Oct-2007 22:14:39] <eurowerke> I can join channel on efnet
[02-Oct-2007 22:15:09] <mutil8> they probably don't check the dns issue
[02-Oct-2007 22:15:11] <mutil8> i bet that's it
[02-Oct-2007 22:15:44] <eurowerke> i figure something on freenode is preventing me from connecting fully, so that might be it
[02-Oct-2007 22:15:54] <eurowerke> i have gotten through like 2 times before hehe
[02-Oct-2007 22:16:07] <eurowerke> but I end up getting disconnected a while later
[02-Oct-2007 22:21:14] <sleske> eurowerke: What other prolems did you face with Zenoss?
[02-Oct-2007 22:21:22] <sleske> Just so I'm forewarned...
[02-Oct-2007 22:22:16] <eurowerke> odd little stuff that just bugged me
[02-Oct-2007 22:22:17] <eurowerke> heh
[02-Oct-2007 22:23:26] <sleske> Such as?
[02-Oct-2007 22:23:31] <eurowerke> I think that, like I had mentioned earlier, that some of the probs were caused by installing upgrades with a password for root
[02-Oct-2007 22:23:40] <eurowerke> root in mysql
[02-Oct-2007 22:23:55] <eurowerke> the first time I installed zenoss, it was 1.2
[02-Oct-2007 22:24:02] <eurowerke> and I followed the directions pretty well I guess
[02-Oct-2007 22:24:08] <eurowerke> I don't remember having odd issues like this
[02-Oct-2007 22:24:38] <eurowerke> those install docs aren't very thorough
[02-Oct-2007 22:24:42] <eurowerke> which just irritates me
[02-Oct-2007 22:25:03] <sleske> yes, the docs need work
[02-Oct-2007 22:25:07] <eurowerke> I might try to reinstall again, but some of the methods just don't seem to work so I have to do things I found that worked
[02-Oct-2007 22:25:30] <sleske> I just installed the rpms on RHEL 4. No problems....
[02-Oct-2007 22:25:47] <eurowerke> eah I'm using ubuntu
[02-Oct-2007 22:25:57] <eurowerke> so can't do that :(
[02-Oct-2007 22:26:07] <sleske> eurowerke: Well, that _is_ an unsupported OS...
[02-Oct-2007 22:26:44] <sleske> eurowerke: Zenoss uses many helpers (rrdtool, MySQL, various libs...)
[02-Oct-2007 22:27:02] <mutil8> eurowerke: i just did a fresh install on debian etch of 2.0.6
[02-Oct-2007 22:27:16] <sleske> So it's likely that integration issues will bite you if you do stuff your own way.. sad though
[02-Oct-2007 22:27:30] <mutil8> you shouldn't have problems with ubuntu if it works in debian
[02-Oct-2007 22:27:35] <sleske> mutil8: How? Are there debs somewhere?
[02-Oct-2007 22:28:03] <eurowerke> like that note about setuid zensocket after install
[02-Oct-2007 22:28:17] <mutil8> install from source
[02-Oct-2007 22:28:28] <eurowerke> install complains about zensocket needing privs or something
[02-Oct-2007 22:28:41] <eurowerke> but zensocket isn't even built yet
[02-Oct-2007 22:28:43] <eurowerke> arrgh
[02-Oct-2