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[01-May-2007 20:21:41] <b52GM> hi
[01-May-2007 20:32:43] <b52GM> do you know were i can find the snmpCycleTime parameter
[01-May-2007 20:32:46] <b52GM> ?
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[02-May-2007 04:36:38] <Foley> Hellò! Is there a zenoss server for windows?
[02-May-2007 04:37:40] <Foley> I guess not
[02-May-2007 04:39:25] <b52GM> Foley, :)
[02-May-2007 04:39:28] <bzed> you don't wanna run something liek zenoss under windows
[02-May-2007 04:39:57] <b52GM> Foley, i don't want to be impolite man , but could i ask what dd you eat this morning :D ?
[02-May-2007 04:39:59] <bzed> except you like to have pain
[02-May-2007 04:48:30] <b52GM> epople i have change the ZsnmpCycle
[02-May-2007 04:48:40] <b52GM> but how to tell zenoss
[02-May-2007 04:48:53] <b52GM> to reload the RDD graph
[02-May-2007 04:48:58] <b52GM> and use these parameters
[02-May-2007 04:48:59] <b52GM> ?
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[02-May-2007 04:55:43] <foo> Does zenoss create graphs of things such as system load? Or any plugin I create... ?
[02-May-2007 04:59:54] <Foley> b52GM: egg and bacon :P
[02-May-2007 04:59:59] <Foley> bzed: okei..
[02-May-2007 05:00:13] <Foley> then this system is not for us.
[02-May-2007 05:00:21] <Foley> :)
[02-May-2007 05:00:26] <b52GM> Foley, wait
[02-May-2007 05:01:13] <b52GM> Foley, zenoss is based under zope , and zope under windows you can just shutdoan and start , i mean if you want push the things further , it must me a *Unix like
[02-May-2007 05:01:22] <b52GM> or you gone get problem !
[02-May-2007 05:02:01] <bzed> in theory it could run under windows
[02-May-2007 05:02:06] <bzed> I'm pretty sure
[02-May-2007 05:02:15] <b52GM> yeah it will run
[02-May-2007 05:02:18] <bzed> but again, it would be pain
[02-May-2007 05:02:28] <b52GM> but if it crash you will not know the reason
[02-May-2007 05:02:38] <foo> Any ideas?
[02-May-2007 05:02:42] <foo> I don't seem to see anything on the website
[02-May-2007 05:02:42] <b52GM> Foley, zope under windows is like Bondage :)
[02-May-2007 05:02:45] <bzed> that's not the only problem :P
[02-May-2007 05:03:24] <bzed> Foley: there's not any serious network monitoring system that runs under windows. detup a linux box and run zenoss (or whatever else you prefer), you can use sucky IE to control it later
[02-May-2007 05:04:17] <foo> Foley: Use VMware under Windows
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[02-May-2007 05:13:48] <b52GM> how could do to see the graphs in reel time
[02-May-2007 05:13:51] <b52GM> is it possile
[02-May-2007 05:13:51] <b52GM> ?
[02-May-2007 05:14:10] <b52GM> i mean graphs reloaded every 5 seconde or stull like that
[02-May-2007 05:14:12] <b52GM> ?
[02-May-2007 05:14:33] <bzed> doesn't make sense imho
[02-May-2007 05:14:45] <b52GM> euh !
[02-May-2007 05:15:10] <b52GM> bzed, i mean yu don't see that as usefull stuff :D ?
[02-May-2007 05:15:17] <bzed> no
[02-May-2007 05:15:32] * b52GM send to bzed a tea cup :D
[02-May-2007 05:15:44] <bzed> :D
[02-May-2007 05:15:54] <b52GM> bzed, but is it possibe ?
[02-May-2007 05:16:59] <bzed> no clue, sorry (well, you have the code, so it is possible, but I don;t know enough about zenoss yet to know how to do it at all)
[02-May-2007 05:20:44] <b52GM> bzed, a guy on the mailling list just reply to me and describe to me how to do , but it can not make it work
[02-May-2007 05:20:47] <b52GM> anyway
[02-May-2007 05:20:48] <b52GM> :)
[02-May-2007 05:20:51] <b52GM> :(
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[02-May-2007 10:37:06] <erastes> so anyone know how to enable anonymous access to parts of zenoss (like the simple dashboard)?
[02-May-2007 10:37:22] <erastes> the new version has a different login mechanism that seems to prevent anonymous access
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[02-May-2007 10:40:22] <b52GM> did someone executed this tutto successufully http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/HowToSimpleDashboard
[02-May-2007 10:40:22] <adytum-bot> Title: HowToSimpleDashboard - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[02-May-2007 10:40:24] <b52GM> i for some problem to implement this tuto
[02-May-2007 10:40:41] <erastes> I've read that
[02-May-2007 10:40:53] <erastes> and triple checked every part of it to make sure I'm in compliance
[02-May-2007 10:41:00] <creiht> As I understand that, it doesn't work for the latest version
[02-May-2007 10:41:09] <creiht> erastes: What version are you running?
[02-May-2007 10:41:17] <erastes> I forget, let me check
[02-May-2007 10:41:36] <erastes> 1.1.1
[02-May-2007 10:42:08] <creiht> erastes: Do you need people to see everything in the dashboard, or just say the graphs
[02-May-2007 10:42:19] <erastes> erastes: pretty much everything
[02-May-2007 10:42:37] <erastes> and it needs to be embeddable in an iframe so no wget post tricks
[02-May-2007 10:42:38] <b52GM> is it possble to make real time monitoring on a interfaces for an exemple ? 5 seconde for example or so
[02-May-2007 10:42:39] <b52GM> ?
[02-May-2007 10:42:55] <erastes> er, I meant to direct my comment to creiht
[02-May-2007 10:43:01] <erastes> not myself obviously
[02-May-2007 10:43:49] <creiht> The one thing that I have done
[02-May-2007 10:43:56] <creiht> Is set it up so that I can link the graphs
[02-May-2007 10:44:06] <erastes> yea I saw a post on that
[02-May-2007 10:44:07] <creiht> I then created a page in our corporate wiki
[02-May-2007 10:44:21] <creiht> That displays all the important graphs
[02-May-2007 10:44:35] <creiht> But that doesn't sound like what you are looking for
[02-May-2007 10:44:56] <erastes> yea, I imagine that there will be an updated method for anonymous access
[02-May-2007 10:45:12] <erastes> but it's kind of annoying to upgrade and have that feature gone/changed
[02-May-2007 10:47:02] <b52GM> h so one see the utility of real time monitoring :d
[02-May-2007 10:52:03] <b52GM> poeple how could i acceess to the zmi ?
[02-May-2007 10:52:17] <b52GM> http://127.0.0.1:8080/zport
[02-May-2007 10:52:24] <b52GM> --> send me automaticcly to the dmd
[02-May-2007 10:52:25] <b52GM> zone
[02-May-2007 10:52:27] <b52GM> ?
[02-May-2007 10:52:41] <erastes> http://yourserver:8080/manage
[02-May-2007 10:53:01] <b52GM> erastes, thks
[02-May-2007 11:49:08] <b52GM> any one got a link that permit to create kind of a ash road but with specified graphs on certains interfaces , if he could look like this one http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/HowToSimpleDashboard ?
[02-May-2007 11:49:08] <adytum-bot> Title: HowToSimpleDashboard - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
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[02-May-2007 14:47:04] <foo> Is there a way to have zenoss create graphs of something such as zenoss?
[02-May-2007 14:47:14] <erastes> what?
[02-May-2007 14:47:30] <erastes> english, do you speak it?
[02-May-2007 14:47:31] <foo> I mean, such as system load
[02-May-2007 14:47:31] <foo> haha
[02-May-2007 14:47:54] <erastes> you mean like plot load averages?
[02-May-2007 14:48:21] <foo> Yeah, a plot graph works
[02-May-2007 14:48:54] <erastes> I don't think there's a way to do this out of the box without coding some stuff for zenoss.
[02-May-2007 14:49:24] <erastes> personally, when I want to graph custom metrics I use bash/perl + mysql to store the data and then either rddtool or jpgraph to write the graphs.
[02-May-2007 14:49:40] <erastes> there's probably a "right" way to do it and integrate it with zenoss but I'm not sure.
[02-May-2007 14:51:27] <foo> gah, ok
[02-May-2007 14:51:31] * foo is on nagios now, thinking about moving
[02-May-2007 14:52:18] <erastes> nagios is a pain, if you can change it's definitely worth it
[02-May-2007 14:52:48] <foo> I know it very well, have about 20 devices setup on it
[02-May-2007 14:53:00] <foo> But yeah, I've seen zenoss in person, been to a talk, and have 2 zenoss hats
[02-May-2007 14:53:00] <foo> :)
[02-May-2007 14:53:34] * erastes has no hat :(
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[02-May-2007 14:54:20] <foo> hehe
[02-May-2007 14:55:03] <chet> foo: Zenoss graphs load average by default on any system with a Net-SNMP agent installed.
[02-May-2007 14:55:50] <erastes> it does load average?
[02-May-2007 14:55:51] <erastes> since when?
[02-May-2007 14:56:15] <chet> I only started using at version 0.23, but since then at least.
[02-May-2007 14:56:43] <erastes> I've seen memory and cpu usage but not load averages
[02-May-2007 14:57:01] <erastes> oh there it is
[02-May-2007 14:57:06] * erastes is on crack today
[02-May-2007 14:57:13] <chet> I get 5 minute load average, cpu utilization, cpu idle, free memory and free swap.
[02-May-2007 14:57:33] <erastes> yea I see it now.
[02-May-2007 14:57:46] <erastes> foo: well there you go
[02-May-2007 14:58:24] <foo> sweet, thanks
[02-May-2007 14:58:27] <chet> foo: You'll also get interface throughput/packets/errors and file system utilization.
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[02-May-2007 15:01:28] <foo> chet: hm, can you take a screenshot for me by any chance? I didn't see one on the site
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[02-May-2007 15:10:20] <chet> Take a look at http://www.zenoss.com/product/tour/graphing
[02-May-2007 15:10:20] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Product Tour : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[02-May-2007 15:11:16] <chet> That screenshot is a bit out of date though. The "swoopy" graphs have been added since then. You can navigate and zoom in/out on the performance graphs now.
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[02-May-2007 15:19:06] <foo> chet: ahhh, sweet.
[02-May-2007 15:19:14] <foo> chet: I thought that was just mrtg and skimmed over it
[02-May-2007 15:19:15] <foo> :)
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[02-May-2007 16:26:00] <mdbalderas> trying to rebuild Zenoss from the rhel5 src rpm and getting a
[02-May-2007 16:26:08] <mdbalderas> "replace: command not found"
[02-May-2007 16:26:31] <mdbalderas> can't find package to install containing the replace command
[02-May-2007 16:26:35] <mdbalderas> anyone have any idea?
[02-May-2007 16:29:01] <progma> is it on your system at all? in /usr/bin on my 4 and 5 boxes
[02-May-2007 16:29:26] <mdbalderas> nope
[02-May-2007 16:29:39] <mdbalderas> can you rpm -qf /usr/bin/replace ?
[02-May-2007 16:32:24] <mdbalderas> nevermind...found it on another of my boxes, installed from mysql-server
[02-May-2007 16:32:30] <chet> mdbalderas: It looks to be part of the
[02-May-2007 16:32:33] <chet> .. yup
[02-May-2007 16:32:51] <mdbalderas> weird that the rpm-build --rebuild had a dep error for mysql but not mysql-server
[02-May-2007 16:33:28] <chet> Every distribution calls their mysql packages by different names..
[02-May-2007 16:33:34] <chet> It's a pain.
[02-May-2007 16:33:50] <mdbalderas> but I am using the rhel5.src.rpm of zenoss on a rhel5 box
[02-May-2007 16:33:55] <mdbalderas> that's the rub
[02-May-2007 16:34:10] <mdbalderas> ah well...working now
[02-May-2007 16:34:33] <chet> Oh.. I'd report that to the mailing list or create a ticket in that case.
[02-May-2007 16:34:50] <chet> Better to get these packaging issues sorted out now with 2.0 coming down the pike.
[02-May-2007 16:39:09] <mdbalderas> yeah...recreating for exact error and submiting a ticket now
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[03-May-2007 06:54:18] <dmnd> hi
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[03-May-2007 08:36:41] <mw`> hi
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[03-May-2007 08:41:46] <mw`> is it possible to run zenoss as a distributed service? not only the sensors should be distributed but also the webfrondends should be. eg theres one huge zenoss monitoring many small zenoss installations
[03-May-2007 08:46:01] <erastes> if you get it running through apache you could probably use ultramonkey
[03-May-2007 08:46:05] <erastes> and clustered mysql
[03-May-2007 08:48:50] <mw`> uhm, we are planning to monitor several subsidiary companies, each with their own monitoring tool, and one central tool at the headquarters
[03-May-2007 08:53:19] <mw`> nagios has some nice feature to forward any event to another nagios instance (called "obessive compulsive service processor")
[03-May-2007 08:58:24] <mw`> btw there is a 2.0 tag in subversion, is this the 2.0 final?
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[03-May-2007 15:23:23] <jimmy-james> i am playing with the vm image and have successfully added my first device, but there are no interfaces showing up for the device, anyone experience this problem before?
[03-May-2007 15:24:02] <jimmy-james> maybe snmp isnt configured on the device i added properly
[03-May-2007 15:26:41] <dmnd> try a snmpwalk on that system
[03-May-2007 15:28:00] <jimmy-james> what params do i have to pass to that command
[03-May-2007 15:28:11] <jimmy-james> i tried snmpwalk hostname.com
[03-May-2007 15:28:22] <jimmy-james> but i got snmpwalk: No securityName specified back
[03-May-2007 15:28:39] <dmnd> snmpwalk -c community plep.tld
[03-May-2007 15:30:08] <jimmy-james> what is plep.tld is that the host?
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[03-May-2007 15:30:58] <dmnd> yes
[03-May-2007 15:31:32] <progma> what os are you guys running zenoss in
[03-May-2007 15:31:42] <jimmy-james> hmm i keep on getting No securityName
[03-May-2007 15:32:02] <progma> that sounds like snmp
[03-May-2007 15:32:09] <jimmy-james> snmpwalk -c community hostname.com is what i ran
[03-May-2007 15:32:27] <progma> dmnd: what is your public r/o community name
[03-May-2007 15:33:00] <dmnd> progma: i'm still on nagios, but i want to try out zenoss because of the trending support
[03-May-2007 15:33:22] <dmnd> jimmy-james: you need to place community to public or whatever you have set yhe community to on your host
[03-May-2007 15:33:48] <progma> dmnd: does it make a diff if you change snmp version i.e. "snmpwalk -v 1 -c public host" or -v 2c
[03-May-2007 15:34:00] <dmnd> yes
[03-May-2007 15:35:47] <jimmy-james> it looks like its set to public in my snmpd.conf and my device's settings
[03-May-2007 15:35:55] <jimmy-james> http://dpaste.com/9560/
[03-May-2007 15:35:55] <adytum-bot> Title: dpaste: #9560: snmpd.conf, by jimmy (at dpaste.com)
[03-May-2007 15:36:14] <jimmy-james> dmnd: could you possibly paste a sample snmpd.conf ?
[03-May-2007 15:38:07] <dmnd> http://dpaste.com/9561/
[03-May-2007 15:38:07] <adytum-bot> Title: dpaste: #9561: bla, by dmnd (at dpaste.com)
[03-May-2007 15:45:51] <progma> yup
[03-May-2007 15:46:04] <progma> dmnd: snmpwalk -v 1 -c public host system
[03-May-2007 15:46:13] <progma> where host is your hostname
[03-May-2007 15:46:29] <dmnd> progma: jimmy-james has a problem ;>
[03-May-2007 15:46:55] <progma> oh sorry :)
[03-May-2007 15:47:17] <progma> too many windows :|
[03-May-2007 15:47:57] <dmnd> doesnt matter
[03-May-2007 15:55:41] <jimmy-james> yeah i guess i just dont understand this snmpd.conf file
[03-May-2007 15:55:58] <jimmy-james> trying to figure out what the lines mean
[03-May-2007 15:58:50] <progma> jimmy-james: what kind of server hardware
[03-May-2007 15:59:15] <jimmy-james> its just an ubuntu box sitting in my room
[03-May-2007 15:59:47] <jimmy-james> not an ideal server, but i just wanted to play with zenoss to see how it compares to nagios
[03-May-2007 16:02:35] <progma> i was trying out zabbix as a replacement for nagios since i like it's built in graphing (plus i have painful memories of getting nagiosgraph working)
[03-May-2007 16:02:57] <progma> but its templates are retarded it takes like 8 yrs to add an item then a trigger and then add it to your maps
[03-May-2007 16:03:01] <progma> great for free though
[03-May-2007 16:03:15] <jimmy-james> yeah, the configuration was a hassle
[03-May-2007 16:03:42] <progma> so, i'm checking out zenoss as a replacement for nagios/fruity and cacti basically
[03-May-2007 16:03:59] <dmnd> progma: same here
[03-May-2007 16:04:03] <jimmy-james> yeah
[03-May-2007 16:04:18] <jimmy-james> it all seems great so far, slick interface
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[03-May-2007 18:39:54] <garrett__> I'm trying to install zenoss on debian following the zforum.org thread, but installing Zope2.9 gives me a Zope2.9: no instances found after installing, and I have a feeling that's why I can't create the zope and zeo instances with dzhandle.
[03-May-2007 18:39:56] <garrett__> any ideas?
[03-May-2007 18:45:00] <bzed> yeah, two ideas
[03-May-2007 18:45:29] <bzed> 1. wait for debian packages (we wann have them ready at the end of may)
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[03-May-2007 18:46:38] <bzed> 2. http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1551&highlight= << follow this
[03-May-2007 18:46:38] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - Installing on Debian etch using mostly native packages (at community.zenoss.com)
[03-May-2007 18:46:38] <chris_d> Can someone help with email alerts? I've read the docs and the forums, and I *think* I've done everything right, but I don't receive alerts.
[03-May-2007 18:46:57] <garrett__> bzed: that's the walkthrough that i'm following, actually.
[03-May-2007 18:47:16] <garrett__> everything works up to the dzhandle
[03-May-2007 18:47:28] <bzed> that's the problem with dzhandle?
[03-May-2007 18:47:37] <bzed> paste your command and the output in a pastebin please
[03-May-2007 18:47:43] <bzed> *what's....
[03-May-2007 18:50:18] <garrett__> bzed: well, I tought that dzhandle was throwing the error "no such option: --addon-mode" because maybe my zope install from the apt didn't finish correcly, and that there might be an older version sitting on the server somewhere.
[03-May-2007 18:51:13] <bzed> can you put all error messages and you commands into a pastebin please?
[03-May-2007 18:51:25] <bzed> I can't read minds, unfortunately
[03-May-2007 18:52:05] <garrett__> sure
[03-May-2007 18:53:41] <garrett__> http://pastebin.ca/469834
[03-May-2007 18:53:41] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - dzhandle - post number 469834 (at pastebin.ca)
[03-May-2007 18:56:08] <bzed> and the error of apt while isntalling zope?
[03-May-2007 18:57:13] <bzed> ah
[03-May-2007 18:57:16] <bzed> I see the problem
[03-May-2007 18:57:31] <bzed> dzhandle -z2.9 -u zenoss make-zopeinstance zenoss --addon-mode=manual --user=admin:zenoss --service-user=zenoss:zope --service-port=8080
[03-May-2007 18:57:34] <garrett__> well, it might be an error from zope if zope's trying to start right after the install finished.
[03-May-2007 18:57:35] <bzed> use this
[03-May-2007 18:57:41] <bzed> no
[03-May-2007 18:57:55] <bzed> it only tries to find isntances and doesn;t do anything if there's no instance
[03-May-2007 18:58:09] <garrett__> oh
[03-May-2007 18:58:09] <garrett__> ok
[03-May-2007 18:58:12] <bzed> but you ahve to create a zopeinstance there, and not a zeoinstance
[03-May-2007 18:58:28] <garrett__> ok
[03-May-2007 19:00:18] <garrett__> hm. knowing action ' make-zopeinstance'
[03-May-2007 19:01:39] <bzed> http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=6210#6210
[03-May-2007 19:01:39] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - Installing on Debian etch using mostly native packages (at community.zenoss.com)
[03-May-2007 19:02:25] <garrett__> erp
[03-May-2007 19:02:40] <garrett__> i ran that, but got "unknown action 'make-zopeinstance'
[03-May-2007 19:02:43] <garrett__> running zope2.9
[03-May-2007 19:05:30] <garrett__> maybe make-instance, instead?
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[03-May-2007 19:23:15] <bzed> garrett__: err yes, of course
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[04-May-2007 00:07:33] <bashu_> hi all
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[04-May-2007 14:38:45] <garrett__> Hi. Any idea why run_zenbuild would error out with "unable to create the initial Zenoss object database"?
[04-May-2007 14:39:35] <garrett__> zenbuild.log says "ImportError: No module named Globals" in a python traceback from /srv/zenoss/Products/ZenModel/zenbuild.py
[04-May-2007 14:49:26] <foo> It's just as easy to make plugins for zenoss as it is for nagios, right?
[04-May-2007 14:50:15] <chet> garrett__: That error is normally the result of not having the environment setup properly with ZENHOME/etc..
[04-May-2007 14:50:39] <chet> foo: Zenoss can use Nagios plugins unmodified, so I'd say it is exactly as easy.
[04-May-2007 14:51:04] <chet> foo: For most SNMP monitoring you don't even need plugins though, so those applications would be even easier.
[04-May-2007 14:51:10] <foo> chet: Thought so. If I have, say, 30 devices I want to monitor. Will 512mb of ram or such suffice?
[04-May-2007 14:51:15] <foo> chet: cool
[04-May-2007 14:51:37] <chet> yeah, 30 devices should be no problem at all.
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[04-May-2007 15:01:58] <foo> chet: thanks. I plan on setting this up in a VM in ubuntu soon.
[04-May-2007 15:16:47] <garrett__> should there be a Globals.py in $ZENHOME/lib/python?
[04-May-2007 15:17:01] <garrett__> or does zenoss import zope's Globals?
[04-May-2007 15:23:06] <garrett__> because there's no Globals.py in my $ZENHOME/lib/python
[04-May-2007 15:24:20] <chet> garrett__: I do have Globals.py in that directory.
[04-May-2007 15:24:32] <garrett__> I'm pretty sure that's what my issue is, then
[04-May-2007 15:24:42] <garrett__> there's no Globals.py in the package that I downloaded.
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[04-May-2007 15:37:20] <bzed> which one did you download?
[04-May-2007 15:43:11] <garrett__> 1.1.1
[04-May-2007 15:43:19] <garrett__> downloading 1.1.2 right now
[04-May-2007 16:22:39] <garrett__> should zenoss-1.1.2 have a Globals.py or something in the tarball?
[04-May-2007 16:22:43] <garrett__> I just unpacked it and it's not there.
[04-May-2007 16:25:45] <garrett__> or does that come from Zope?
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[04-May-2007 17:21:01] <garrett__> soooo.. is Globals.py supposed to be in $ZENHOME/lib/python?
[04-May-2007 17:21:14] <garrett__> because there is no Globals.py in either 1.1.1 or 1.1.2 source packages.
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[04-May-2007 17:37:59] <mdbalderas> RHEL5, testing email addresses and alerting all tagging /var/log/maillog with "did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA"
[04-May-2007 17:38:01] <mdbalderas> any ideas?
[04-May-2007 17:45:13] <progma> just info
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[04-May-2007 17:45:34] <progma> not serious; means there wasn't a full smtp conversation i think
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[04-May-2007 17:55:53] <garrett__> still no ideas on where that Globals.py comes from?
[04-May-2007 17:56:10] <garrett__> I can't find a single Globals.py on my system...
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[04-May-2007 17:58:21] <garrett__> I even checked svn and the 1.1.2 rpm
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[05-May-2007 12:17:09] <darcon> How do you search for values in custom fields?
[05-May-2007 12:17:35] <darcon> the search box on the top seems to only find device names
[05-May-2007 12:25:56] <darcon> the features page says "Search for resources using custom fields" so I must just be missing something
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[07-May-2007 07:01:41] <iuso> hi, i have a problem. i want to see network traffic graphs for each linux server on the same page where the cpu and disk usage graphs etc. are shown. in effect i want to merge the ethernetCsmacd perfconf with the /Devices/Server/Linux perfconf
[07-May-2007 07:02:24] <iuso> is that possible with some handy feature or do i need to copy all the datasources, thresholds and graphs by hand?
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[07-May-2007 12:45:43] <chris_d> Good morning. I'm getting strange (and incorrect) numbers for disk partitions on one of my Solaris systems.
[07-May-2007 12:46:08] <chris_d> Can somebody tell me how to determine the source of the data?
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[07-May-2007 14:39:09] <zntneo> anyone know why i can't install zenoss on os x?
[07-May-2007 14:39:13] <zntneo> I get this error make: *** [mysql-python-install] Error 1
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[07-May-2007 14:42:19] <zntneo> anyone?
[07-May-2007 14:45:40] <_chris_> zntneo: check your build/zenbuild.log
[07-May-2007 14:45:44] <_chris_> there should be more details in there
[07-May-2007 14:45:52] <_chris_> you might be missing the Python.h file
[07-May-2007 14:45:57] <_chris_> although on osx i think that's installed by default
[07-May-2007 14:46:09] <zntneo> it say si'm missing mysql.h
[07-May-2007 14:46:18] <_chris_> did you install mysql via fink?
[07-May-2007 14:46:20] <zntneo> mysqld_error.h and errmsg.h
[07-May-2007 14:46:30] <zntneo> via macports
[07-May-2007 14:46:51] <_chris_> hmm... i installed via fink so my version of those files are in /sw/include
[07-May-2007 14:47:06] <zntneo> how do i get it so they are found?
[07-May-2007 14:47:40] <_chris_> i'm not sure how gcc under osx resolves the header files. i know it ultimately boils down to either the CFLAGS variable
[07-May-2007 14:47:53] <_chris_> or some file somewhere that lists what directories are supposed to be included in the search path
[07-May-2007 14:49:07] <zntneo> what did you do with the fink install?
[07-May-2007 14:49:37] <_chris_> long long time ago i just installed fink (followed the instructions on their website)
[07-May-2007 14:49:42] <_chris_> and then installed mysql
[07-May-2007 14:49:56] <_chris_> the fink installation process must set some include search path in /etc somewhere
[07-May-2007 14:50:13] <zntneo> so zenoss installe djust fine?
[07-May-2007 14:51:42] <_chris_> oh yes.
[07-May-2007 14:51:51] <_chris_> many of us use OSX as our development platform
[07-May-2007 14:51:59] <zntneo> i think i fixed it
[07-May-2007 14:52:10] <_chris_> was it a file in /etc somewhere?
[07-May-2007 14:52:21] <zntneo> had to change a few lines in setup.py
[07-May-2007 14:53:07] <zntneo> i think it was because i am using mysql5
[07-May-2007 15:02:50] <zntneo> now i get make: *** [nagios-install]
[07-May-2007 15:03:29] <zntneo> Error 2
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[07-May-2007 16:05:10] <dan__t> 'afternoon.
[07-May-2007 16:05:30] <dan__t> Anyone know what might be able to explain this one, when gathering data on a device manually: http://pastebin.ca/475937
[07-May-2007 16:05:30] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - Mine - post number 475937 (at pastebin.ca)
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[07-May-2007 16:35:16] <garrett__> If I'm building an admin panel, is there a way to filter the options presented when using an admin_double_list? I don't want all the entries for that table in the listing.
[07-May-2007 16:36:18] <garrett__> doh
[07-May-2007 16:36:21] <garrett__> wrong window.
[07-May-2007 16:36:25] <garrett__> right question/right window:
[07-May-2007 16:36:32] <garrett__> I posted a thread on the forums on friday, but haven't received a response about this: In the rpm's for 1.1.1 and 1.1.2 there is a /lib/python/Globals.py file. This file doesn't exist in the source packages. Is there a reason for that? ./zenbuild errors out saying that it can't find Globals.py
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[07-May-2007 17:00:44] <garrett__> So I copied the globals.py file from the 1.1.2 rpm (trying to install the 1.1.2 source distro), and now I get a floating point exception in $ZENHOME/Products/ZenModel/zenbuild.py
[07-May-2007 17:06:23] <bzed> garrett__: did you ppost that on the zenoss-dev mailing list?
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[08-May-2007 00:15:24] -adytum-bot- New Blog/News Feed: Advogato blog for oubiwann - Genshi Templates in Nevow - 11 Apr, 05:04PM
[08-May-2007 00:15:25] -adytum-bot- http://www.advogato.org/person/oubiwann/diary.html?start=138
[08-May-2007 02:06:25] <Snake-Eyes> this is strange, zenoss isnt sending off emails when a alert is reached, yet it did before
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[08-May-2007 02:36:45] <Snake-Eyes> is there a full changelog some where showing whats been done between 1.1.1 and 1.1.2 ?
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[08-May-2007 06:18:07] <yeled> oi
[08-May-2007 06:18:40] <yeled> can someone tell me why all commands are "missing Globals.py" ?
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[08-May-2007 06:20:50] <yeled> it's been a month since i last tried to zendisc.py
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[08-May-2007 07:05:20] <yeled> ok
[08-May-2007 07:05:28] <yeled> export PYTHONPATH=$ZENHOME/lib/python
[08-May-2007 07:05:29] <yeled> :)
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[08-May-2007 07:41:49] <yeled> oops
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[08-May-2007 10:05:15] <zntneo> dangn't i'm getting an error again when i try installing zenoss
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[08-May-2007 10:06:01] <zntneo> make: *** [mysql-python-install] Error 1
[08-May-2007 10:07:15] <zntneo> here is my zenbuild.log http://www.pastebin.ca/477122
[08-May-2007 10:07:15] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - Anonymous - post number 477122 (at www.pastebin.ca)
[08-May-2007 10:07:15] <zntneo> can anyone help?
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[08-May-2007 10:08:51] <zntneo> anyone?
[08-May-2007 10:19:39] <zntneo> why can't it just work!
[08-May-2007 10:43:22] <creiht> zntneo: What platform?
[08-May-2007 10:43:35] <zntneo> os x
[08-May-2007 10:43:40] <creiht> Most of us here are on and off, as we have day jobs as well :)
[08-May-2007 10:44:00] <zntneo> no no i'm not mad at you guys
[08-May-2007 10:44:06] <creiht> hehe
[08-May-2007 10:44:26] <creiht> It looks like it can't find the mysql headers
[08-May-2007 10:44:52] <creiht> Are you using something like fink or macports?
[08-May-2007 10:45:15] <zntneo> i actually just installed mysql fromt he official binary package from mysql
[08-May-2007 10:45:30] <creiht> ok
[08-May-2007 10:45:47] <creiht> I'm not sure if that includes the headers or not
[08-May-2007 10:45:58] <creiht> Usually there is a separate dev package that includes that
[08-May-2007 10:46:12] <creiht> I havn't done that much on "OS X" though, so i can't tell you for sure
[08-May-2007 10:46:40] <creiht> The other possibility is that the headers are installed, but it doesn't know how to find them
[08-May-2007 10:47:48] <creiht> Once you get that straightened out, then you should be good to go
[08-May-2007 10:48:01] <zntneo> what header files does it need?
[08-May-2007 10:48:08] <creiht> mysql.h
[08-May-2007 10:48:10] <creiht> is the first
[08-May-2007 10:48:22] <creiht> look at line 6380 on your paste
[08-May-2007 10:48:43] <creiht> That's where your errors start
[08-May-2007 10:52:13] <zntneo> where does zenosss look to find the header files?
[08-May-2007 10:57:21] <creiht> I'm not so sure on that mac
[08-May-2007 10:57:39] <creiht> I use a mac, but I do no mac development :)
[08-May-2007 10:58:56] <zntneo> darn
[08-May-2007 11:04:06] <creiht> zntneo: You might try asking on the mailing lists, as the devs watch that fairly regularly
[08-May-2007 11:07:38] <zntneo> should i post on zenoss-users or zenoss-dev?
[08-May-2007 11:07:45] <creiht> zenoss-users
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[08-May-2007 14:51:56] <adeeln> how scalable is zenoss?
[08-May-2007 14:52:01] <adeeln> anyone know?
[08-May-2007 14:53:21] <creiht> adeeln: How scalable do you need it to be?
[08-May-2007 14:53:22] <creiht> :)
[08-May-2007 14:53:54] <creiht> I've heard of several people using for thousands of devices
[08-May-2007 14:54:05] <adeeln> creiht: pretty large...somewhere in the vicinity of 100,000
[08-May-2007 14:54:32] <creiht> adeeln: That is a good question
[08-May-2007 14:54:44] <creiht> It probably is with a bit of work
[08-May-2007 14:54:45] <adeeln> i know of another NMS that can do about 50,000 per server
[08-May-2007 14:54:54] <creiht> OpenNMS?
[08-May-2007 14:54:59] <adeeln> yep
[08-May-2007 14:55:03] <creiht> yes
[08-May-2007 14:55:06] <bzed> adeeln: i guess as you want to have a support contract for such a high number of devices anyway - you probalyt just wanna ask the team by mail, there's a contact form on the page ;)
[08-May-2007 14:55:42] <creiht> adeeln: Yeah I would contact the zenoss guys, tell them what you want to do and see what they say :)
[08-May-2007 14:55:43] <bzed> distributed agents will be added in 2.1 - but no clue how many devices you can handle then
[08-May-2007 14:56:06] <adeeln> bzed: yeah i probably will contact them, but i was just wondering if anyone had any figures
[08-May-2007 14:56:34] <adeeln> anyone know what the base system resources are?
[08-May-2007 14:56:52] <bzed> i guess that depends on the number of events it needs to process ;)
[08-May-2007 14:57:10] <adeeln> bzed: i mean just having the server running, with no clients...how much cpu/ram does it need?
[08-May-2007 14:57:20] <creiht> adeeln: My guess is that it is currently not as scalable as OpenNMS at the moment, but scalability is one of their top goals, and actively working on it at this moment
[08-May-2007 14:58:22] <adeeln> is there benefit to switching to zenoss from opennms?
[08-May-2007 14:58:24] <creiht> adeeln: You might also search the forums a bit, as I remember seeing several people talking about what they are monitoring
[08-May-2007 14:58:53] <creiht> Well my experience so far is that it is much simpler to set up and maintain
[08-May-2007 14:59:17] <adeeln> i'm getting the vmware app right now, and will play with that
[08-May-2007 14:59:36] <creiht> The devs for zenoss have been very open to suggestions
[08-May-2007 14:59:50] <creiht> Where as the OpenNMS guys are a little more set in their ways
[08-May-2007 14:59:58] <creiht> And note that I love the OpenNMS guys :)
[08-May-2007 15:00:11] <bzed> does opennms have something like zendisc ? ;)
[08-May-2007 15:00:16] <creiht> yes
[08-May-2007 15:00:28] <adeeln> creight: i recognized your name from the countless hours i've spent in opennms
[08-May-2007 15:00:35] <creiht> hehe
[08-May-2007 15:00:58] <adeeln> although, i will give you, simplicity of configuration is definitely a plus
[08-May-2007 15:01:04] <bzed> gettign rid of java is a good argument for me :P
[08-May-2007 15:01:07] <creiht> To me, the main thing that OpenNMS has over zenoss is scalability
[08-May-2007 15:01:09] <creiht> haha
[08-May-2007 15:01:16] <creiht> And they seem to be working on that
[08-May-2007 15:01:31] <creiht> The zenoss guys are very cool too
[08-May-2007 15:01:33] <adeeln> i don't mind how OpenNMS only uses tomcat/jetty verus jboss
[08-May-2007 15:01:42] <adeeln> jboss is a pain
[08-May-2007 15:01:46] <creiht> hehe
[08-May-2007 15:02:05] <creiht> OpenNMS currently has better service monitoring as well
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[08-May-2007 15:02:19] <creiht> Zenoss does basically just port monitoring
[08-May-2007 15:02:30] <adeeln> can you monitor lm_sensors from zenoss?
[08-May-2007 15:02:38] <creiht> what are lm_sensors?
[08-May-2007 15:02:57] <adeeln> local machine sensors....basically you can monitor hardware temps, voltages, fan speeds, hd temps, etc
[08-May-2007 15:03:14] <creiht> Can you see them in a snmp_walk?
[08-May-2007 15:03:27] <adeeln> creiht: dunno...i'm not too familiar with snmp
[08-May-2007 15:03:30] <creiht> By default it is not set up to monitor those
[08-May-2007 15:03:34] <adeeln> you might be able to
[08-May-2007 15:03:41] <creiht> You have a couple of options
[08-May-2007 15:03:58] <creiht> Are you currently monitoring them in OpenNMS?
[08-May-2007 15:04:16] <adeeln> creiht: nope, i've been side tracked, haven't gotten to configuring opennms all the way through yet
[08-May-2007 15:04:18] <bzed> adeeln: i think fi you run a snmp daemon on the machines you should be able to monitor them, or you use the goold old nagios plugins instead
[08-May-2007 15:04:37] <creiht> Yeah the other option is that you could use a nagios plugin to monitor them
[08-May-2007 15:04:43] <adeeln> interesting
[08-May-2007 15:04:56] <creiht> Or in the next version write a Zenpack (Zenoss' new plugin system)
[08-May-2007 15:05:03] <adeeln> too bad no one has support for pulling information from an rrd dbase
[08-May-2007 15:05:24] <bzed> write a plugin?
[08-May-2007 15:05:37] <adeeln> bzed: it's on the todo list
[08-May-2007 15:05:55] <creiht> hmmm
[08-May-2007 15:05:59] <bzed> my todo list is getting longer every day, too
[08-May-2007 15:06:03] <creiht> hehe
[08-May-2007 15:06:08] <creiht> You should see my todo list
[08-May-2007 15:06:09] <creiht> :)
[08-May-2007 15:06:15] <adeeln> mine's pretty hefty too
[08-May-2007 15:06:17] <creiht> I just do monitoring on the side
[08-May-2007 15:06:31] <adeeln> ahh, i do basically everything...IT to development
[08-May-2007 15:07:08] <creiht> I'm a developer, but somehow I ended up also being our monitoring person :)
[08-May-2007 15:07:40] <adeeln> see that's the weird thing with me...i'm not a developer...i hate programming, well not so much hate, as i never got into it much....
[08-May-2007 15:07:56] <adeeln> i'm an engineer, but i know a lot about computers, so here i am
[08-May-2007 15:08:13] <creiht> hehe
[08-May-2007 15:08:41] <creiht> Another nice thing about Zenoss is no editing XML files :)
[08-May-2007 15:09:19] <adeeln> it's finally booting, so i'll be able to take a gander at it
[08-May-2007 15:09:25] <creiht> cool
[08-May-2007 15:09:32] <creiht> Pretty much everything can be done from the GUI
[08-May-2007 15:09:37] <adeeln> i can only hope that vmware will develop FULL opengl capabilities soon
[08-May-2007 15:09:55] <creiht> Zenoss also monitors itself, so it lets you know if one of the subsystems is not functioning properly
[08-May-2007 15:09:57] <adeeln> creiht: is it a web ui or an actual gui?
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[08-May-2007 15:09:59] <creiht> hehe
[08-May-2007 15:10:04] <creiht> I've been hoping that for years
[08-May-2007 15:10:07] <creiht> it is a web ui
[08-May-2007 15:10:19] <adeeln> hey, they're using lighttpd
[08-May-2007 15:10:22] <adeeln> i like them already
[08-May-2007 15:11:20] <RobGault> creiht: have you used OpenNMS?
[08-May-2007 15:12:00] <creiht> Yes
[08-May-2007 15:12:05] <creiht> Quite a bit
[08-May-2007 15:12:11] <creiht> Well still do actually
[08-May-2007 15:12:12] <RobGault> how long ago?
[08-May-2007 15:12:24] <creiht> I've used it for the past couple of years
[08-May-2007 15:12:46] <creiht> Though a much older version
[08-May-2007 15:12:53] <creiht> that what is available now
[08-May-2007 15:13:03] <RobGault> I'm looking at switching, I'm only monitoring about 100 devices < 300 interfaces and am having trouble justifying the amount of time it is taking to configure OpenNMS
[08-May-2007 15:13:04] <creiht> I know they have been working on improvements
[08-May-2007 15:13:11] <creiht> haha
[08-May-2007 15:13:31] <creiht> sorry... didn't mean to laugh
[08-May-2007 15:13:51] <creiht> I currently use zenoss for close to 100 devices and like it a lot
[08-May-2007 15:13:57] <creiht> It's much easier to manage
[08-May-2007 15:14:20] <RobGault> What are you running it on?
[08-May-2007 15:14:26] <creiht> hrmm
[08-May-2007 15:14:39] <creiht> I think it is a dell 2650
[08-May-2007 15:14:51] <creiht> Some P4 with probably 1GB memory
[08-May-2007 15:15:02] <RobGault> are you aware of any issues running under Solaris?
[08-May-2007 15:15:04] <creiht> It also shares the same server as splunk
[08-May-2007 15:15:08] <creiht> I'm not sure
[08-May-2007 15:15:50] <creiht> I remember seeing Solaris pass by in the forums, so you might search there
[08-May-2007 15:15:55] <creiht> It should work ;)
[08-May-2007 15:16:39] <creiht> Everything said.... I don't want to sound like I'm bashing OpenNMS... It is a good product with a good group of guys developing it :)
[08-May-2007 15:16:52] <RobGault> I'm hoping to get some time later this week or next to give it a try.
[08-May-2007 15:16:54] <creiht> So it would still be a good idea to evaluate both
[08-May-2007 15:17:19] <bzed> adeeln: ah btw, I think the num,ber of machines you can monitor also depends much on your mysql and ZEO. at least you can deploy them on different hosts to share the load a bit
[08-May-2007 15:17:42] <creiht> There are a lot of factors
[08-May-2007 15:17:56] <RobGault> I like the product very much, I just am running into an issue not being a programmer, and lacking documentation getting things running reliably.
[08-May-2007 15:18:05] <bzed> RobGault: i guess what you need on solaris are at least the gnu tools liek a gnu make and gcc
[08-May-2007 15:19:10] <bzed> i guess neither installing mysql nor zope will be a big problem on solaris, but as usual, there can be a lot of things be a pain in the ass if you want to compile something ;)
[08-May-2007 15:19:20] <bzed> I'd probably run it on a linux box instead ;)
[08-May-2007 15:19:42] <bzed> but I guess the zenoss dev team would be happy to know how to deploy it on solaris, if they don't do allready
[08-May-2007 15:19:43] <creiht> RobGault: There are usually people either here or on the forums that are willing to help
[08-May-2007 15:20:02] <RobGault> I've already got the hardware otherwise I would look at a Linux install.
[08-May-2007 15:20:28] <RobGault> Thanks for the input I'll let you know how it goes.
[08-May-2007 15:20:40] <creiht> cool
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[08-May-2007 15:26:55] <adeeln> bzed: ZEO?
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[08-May-2007 15:27:50] <adeeln> as far as deployment on linux, i've found deploying things on gentoo to be overall easier, for people who aren't programmers
[08-May-2007 15:28:10] <adeeln> rpm's for some reason just never work well, nor are they really consistent
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[08-May-2007 15:29:26] <adeeln> this is completely off topic, but i was wondering if anyone knew of any good open source collaboration software?
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[08-May-2007 15:34:09] <bzed> adeeln: zope enterprise objects
[08-May-2007 15:34:41] <bzed> adeeln: the way zope can store it's data if you need something scaleable
[08-May-2007 15:35:24] <bzed> adeeln: we're working on zenoss packages for debian at the moment... and for collab... what about gforge?
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[08-May-2007 16:22:15] <adeeln> bzed: i've been looking at open-xchange so far for collab
[08-May-2007 16:22:38] <bzed> ah you mean as groupware?
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[08-May-2007 16:23:02] <bzed> I wouldn't use a normal groupware for collab on software projects
[08-May-2007 16:23:39] <b52laptop> bzed, collab seem dead !
[08-May-2007 16:23:43] <adeeln> bzed: well that's the thing, we have both needs....software and normal
[08-May-2007 16:23:53] <adeeln> and i'm hoping that i don't have to install 10 different things
[08-May-2007 16:24:00] <bzed> hmm
[08-May-2007 16:24:08] <b52laptop> adeeln, open xchange seems too complicated to install ! zimbra seems less scary at the install !
[08-May-2007 16:24:26] <adeeln> b52laptop: yeah but zimbra doesn't seem like it's very powerful
[08-May-2007 16:24:33] <adeeln> ox has a nice list of features
[08-May-2007 16:24:39] <b52laptop> hm
[08-May-2007 16:24:48] <bzed> zimbra's interface sucks imho, and they include postfix and everything, and it's hard to configure as you'd like to configure it.
[08-May-2007 16:24:58] <adeeln> installation isn't that big of an issue for me
[08-May-2007 16:24:59] <bzed> I'd take scalix instead
[08-May-2007 16:25:09] <adeeln> with gentoo, things become semi-simple to install
[08-May-2007 16:25:13] <b52laptop> yeah they integrated postfix and mysql and .... pffff
[08-May-2007 16:25:24] <b52laptop> bzed, scalix don't seems open source :d
[08-May-2007 16:25:36] <b52laptop> and it's the same headache as zimbra
[08-May-2007 16:25:36] <b52laptop> :d
[08-May-2007 16:25:46] <adeeln> i don't really need an email program...my web host gives me free email, but i do need calenders
[08-May-2007 16:25:58] <adeeln> b52laptop: scalix should have a public license
[08-May-2007 16:26:07] <b52laptop> so openxchange :d
[08-May-2007 16:26:08] <bzed> b52laptop: zimbra is not better....
[08-May-2007 16:26:23] <adeeln> yeah, scalix isn't gpl, but it's OS
[08-May-2007 16:26:26] <b52laptop> adeeln, does scalix came with mysql and postfix at the install ?
[08-May-2007 16:26:27] <bzed> b52laptop: and open-exchange is worse, their important stuff is under CC non-commercial
[08-May-2007 16:26:33] <b52laptop> bzed, yeah :(
[08-May-2007 16:26:50] <bzed> no, scalix doesn;t bring postfix
[08-May-2007 16:27:02] <b52laptop> hm
[08-May-2007 16:27:09] <bzed> it configures your system's sendmail by default, but you can configure your postfix for it if you want
[08-May-2007 16:27:19] <adeeln> i'd love for an OS software to give me Outlook integration
[08-May-2007 16:27:42] <adeeln> ooo...scalix does support outlook
[08-May-2007 16:28:07] <bzed> i thkn zimbra and scaliz support outlook, but you ahve to pay for that ;)
[08-May-2007 16:28:16] <adeeln> scalix includes it free apparently
[08-May-2007 16:28:25] <adeeln> As with all Scalix editions, it has a flexible, open architecture, and supports Outlook, Evolution, Scalix Web Access, and any IMAP or POP client.
[08-May-2007 16:28:54] <adeeln> scalix has a community edition....which supports 25 premium users...but you should be able to hack that
[08-May-2007 16:29:47] <adeeln> oooo...nero 3 for linux
[08-May-2007 16:29:48] <adeeln> interesting
[08-May-2007 16:30:03] <bzed> eww
[08-May-2007 16:30:07] <bzed> nero for linux sucks ass
[08-May-2007 16:30:09] <bzed> use k3b
[08-May-2007 16:30:14] <adeeln> bzed: i don't use kde
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[08-May-2007 16:32:27] <bzed> that doesn;t matter
[08-May-2007 16:32:32] <bzed> it will happily run under gnome
[08-May-2007 16:32:41] <bzed> all you need are a few libraries, as usual
[08-May-2007 16:32:48] <bzed> but it's still the best cd burning program ever
[08-May-2007 16:35:29] <adeel_n> i'm actually using xfce, but still
[08-May-2007 16:35:36] <adeel_n> i might try out scalix
[08-May-2007 16:36:44] <adeel_n> hmm....i like zenoss...but i think opennms might be better for me
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[08-May-2007 16:40:52] <bzed> just give the zenoss guys a call
[08-May-2007 16:41:54] <adeel_n> bzed: zenoss seems to be geared towards monitoring multiple different nodes....the vast majority of my nodes will be identical, and with opennms, i only have to set it up once, and it should be simple
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[08-May-2007 16:48:59] <bzed> adeel_n: that shouldn;t be a problem with zenoss either... I think. didn't do much with it until now, except working on packages - we want to have it packaged before usign it
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[08-May-2007 16:54:24] <adeel_n> ah...hmm...well i like the fact that opennms can do auto discovery, where any node that pops up in a subnet will be automatically monitored
[08-May-2007 16:55:09] <adeel_n> i'll definitely keep my eye on zenoss but i already have opennms installed and semi-configured
[08-May-2007 16:55:45] <bzed> zenoss can do that, too
[08-May-2007 16:56:48] <progma> k3b is excellent
[08-May-2007 16:56:56] <progma> regardless of wm
[08-May-2007 16:58:10] <adeel_n> any recommendations for a winblows recording program?
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[08-May-2007 16:59:29] <bzed> i guess nero
[08-May-2007 16:59:40] <adeel_n> thats unfortunate
[08-May-2007 16:59:41] <progma> the last time i used windows it was nero and roxio
[08-May-2007 17:00:15] <adeel_n> i used to like roxio a lot...but then they just crapped out
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[08-May-2007 17:06:38] <goomie> I am trying to set up zenwin on a win2k3 box I followed the doc on installing it. I now have this message in my events under this device "wmi connection failed: User credentials cannot be used for local connections"
[08-May-2007 17:14:16] <bzed> zenwin will be replaced in the new version
[08-May-2007 17:14:33] <bzed> you probably don't wanna mess with it at all
[08-May-2007 17:14:46] <bzed> better give the alpha (or is it beta yet) of 2.0 a try
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[08-May-2007 18:10:15] <WolfeWLU> Is there a way to get Zentrap to bind to a specific IP?
[08-May-2007 18:13:11] <WolfeWLU> Heellloooo? ;-)
[08-May-2007 18:14:37] <creiht> howdy
[08-May-2007 18:14:49] <creiht> You probably have to make a modification to the zentrap.py file
[08-May-2007 18:15:01] <creiht> I had to do that to change the port that zensyslog bound to
[08-May-2007 18:15:30] <creiht> Unfortunately they don't expose those as config options
[08-May-2007 18:15:37] <creiht> At least on the last version that I checked
[08-May-2007 18:15:59] <creiht> let me check :)
[08-May-2007 18:19:11] <WolfeWLU> creiht: Thank you!
[08-May-2007 18:21:07] <bzed> hmm, in theory you should not need to change the syslog port
[08-May-2007 18:21:14] <bzed> the IP to bind to is a different thing, though
[08-May-2007 18:21:31] <creiht> bzed: Well I am running syslog on our syslog server
[08-May-2007 18:21:33] <creiht> :)
[08-May-2007 18:21:42] <creiht> In hindsight not the best decision :)
[08-May-2007 18:21:52] <creiht> yeah and changing the ip is a bit different
[08-May-2007 18:22:01] <bzed> use syslog-ng and forward all stuff?
[08-May-2007 18:22:32] <bzed> i think syslog-ng should be able to write to log files and send all stuff to a different host
[08-May-2007 18:22:32] <creiht> The server is a generic syslog server that receives all our generic syslog stuff
[08-May-2007 18:22:47] <creiht> They both run on the same host though
[08-May-2007 18:22:56] <creiht> that is why I have to run it on another port
[08-May-2007 18:23:01] <creiht> which I could forward to if I wanted
[08-May-2007 18:23:10] <bzed> well, it won;t receive stuff on the different port?
[08-May-2007 18:23:12] <creiht> But I only have a couple of apps that forward messages to it
[08-May-2007 18:23:13] <bzed> ah
[08-May-2007 18:23:23] <creiht> It doesn't receive all syslog dtuff
[08-May-2007 18:23:44] <creiht> I think we have about 500GB syslog trafic a day on this box
[08-May-2007 18:23:53] <creiht> I don't want to run that through zenoss :)
[08-May-2007 18:24:07] <creiht> err not 500GB
[08-May-2007 18:24:09] <creiht> 50GB
[08-May-2007 18:24:11] <creiht> sorry
[08-May-2007 18:24:13] <creiht> :)
[08-May-2007 18:24:45] <b52laptop> :D
[08-May-2007 18:25:07] <bzed> yeah, that's a bit much ;)
[08-May-2007 18:25:53] <creiht> Like I said... in hindsight not the best server for me to choose to install zenoss on :)
[08-May-2007 18:26:27] <bzed> no, i guess not ;)
[08-May-2007 18:26:43] <creiht> I'll be moving it as soon as I have time
[08-May-2007 18:26:52] <creiht> but I have been saying that probably for the last 6 months
[08-May-2007 18:28:05] <creiht> WolfeWLU: Well good news and bad news
[08-May-2007 18:28:11] <creiht> I found it
[08-May-2007 18:28:22] <creiht> But they don't specify the interface
[08-May-2007 18:28:40] <creiht> which means there is no config for it
[08-May-2007 18:28:44] <creiht> If you want to modify the source
[08-May-2007 18:28:47] <creiht> You can edit
[08-May-2007 18:29:07] <WolfeWLU> creiht: LOL. That's OK. Its probably easier to move the other program that needs to listen for traps to another server.
[08-May-2007 18:29:15] <WolfeWLU> Thank you very much for digging.
[08-May-2007 18:29:22] <creiht> $ZENHOME/ZenEvents/zentrap.py
[08-May-2007 18:29:36] <WolfeWLU> Editing the source means I'll probably forget about the edit when I upgrade. :-)
[08-May-2007 18:29:41] <creiht> hehe
[08-May-2007 18:29:42] <creiht> yeah
[08-May-2007 18:30:04] <creiht> until you see it show up as a heartbeat error, and you ask yourself, why is that not working :)
[08-May-2007 18:30:10] <creiht> Anyways if anyone is interested
[08-May-2007 18:30:14] <creiht> change the line
[08-May-2007 18:30:19] <creiht> reactor.listenUDP(self.port, self)
[08-May-2007 18:30:20] <creiht> to
[08-May-2007 18:30:41] <creiht> reactor.listenUDP(self.port, self, interface='192.168.10.10')
[08-May-2007 18:30:55] <creiht> of course replace the ip with whatever ip you want it to bind to
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[08-May-2007 18:32:24] <WolfeWLU> creiht: I'll put it in our wiki.
[08-May-2007 18:32:25] <WolfeWLU> :-)
[08-May-2007 18:32:43] <creiht> They really need to expose those things as a config option
[08-May-2007 18:32:54] <creiht> (port and ipaddress to bind to)
[08-May-2007 18:35:22] <WolfeWLU> creiht: Yeah. Its not like Python doesn't have a really nice config file library.
[08-May-2007 18:35:52] <creiht> I think I submitted a ticket for that, but I'm sure it is on the lower end of the priority list
[08-May-2007 18:36:02] <creiht> They have quite a few things on their plate right now :)
[08-May-2007 18:36:16] <creiht> And they already have the config structure set up
[08-May-2007 18:36:35] <creiht> I've told myself a couple of times that I would make the changes and contribute them, but then have had no time :(
[08-May-2007 18:37:12] <WolfeWLU> It's be nice they find time to put 95th percentile support in out of the box.
[08-May-2007 18:39:13] <WolfeWLU> It'd also be nice if I could figure out why mount is claiming NFSv3 Not Supported!....
[08-May-2007 18:40:40] <creiht> Could it be because NFSv3 is not supported? ;)
[08-May-2007 18:40:46] <WolfeWLU> LOL.
[08-May-2007 18:41:00] <WolfeWLU> Yeah...yeah. ;-) NFS module is loaded in the kernel and portmap is running.
[08-May-2007 18:41:59] <WolfeWLU> Seems to be a problem across most of our Gentoo boxes.
[08-May-2007 18:42:09] <creiht> Ah there is the problem :)
[08-May-2007 18:42:26] <WolfeWLU> creiht: Hey now. ;-)
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[08-May-2007 22:27:28] <Snake-Eyes> Any one know why zenoss would stop sending alert emails, I have gone over all settings (test email, alert rules, added to device, etc) ?
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[09-May-2007 00:38:25] <chester01> newbie here. Managed to get everything set up and monitoring but I am not quite getting how to graph interfaces for a Cisco router. Can anyone point me to a resource? The admin guide does not explain the concept of what I need to do.
[09-May-2007 00:39:17] <chester01> I found a few guides but it is all greek. I guess I am looking for a config example or walkthrough which will help me make sense of it all.
[09-May-2007 00:41:03] <chester01> Tried forum searches as well. I did find references but I am not understanding them at all.
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[09-May-2007 03:39:20] <Igbothom_III> http://www.petitiononline.com/PH2JAIL/
[09-May-2007 03:39:20] <Igbothom_III> :)
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[09-May-2007 09:26:27] <kompressor> hi all...Im about to hit ./install.sh and cross your fingers :)
[09-May-2007 09:27:00] <seans> I just got through that myself :)
[09-May-2007 09:27:14] <kompressor> seans, on ubuntu?
[09-May-2007 09:27:22] <seans> Debian Etch
[09-May-2007 09:27:25] <seans> so pretty close
[09-May-2007 09:27:53] <kompressor> actually its an ubuntu derivative...impi :D
[09-May-2007 09:28:03] <kompressor> seans, ok let me see
[09-May-2007 09:28:07] <seans> the ./install.sh takes quite a long while to run, at least it did on a p3 733
[09-May-2007 09:28:33] <kompressor> X
[09-May-2007 09:30:12] <kompressor> seans, how does zenoss relate to zope?
[09-May-2007 09:31:55] <kompressor> :(
[09-May-2007 09:32:15] <seans> honestly I couldnt tell you, Ive only heard of Zope
[09-May-2007 09:33:22] <kompressor> ok
[09-May-2007 09:34:08] <kompressor> seans, how many machines are you monitoring
[09-May-2007 09:35:38] <seans> right at the moment I am trying to add a device though the web-management page, eventually there might be up to 90 if it works how we would like it to
[09-May-2007 09:36:28] <kompressor> hmmm
[09-May-2007 09:36:44] <kompressor> in which country are you?
[09-May-2007 09:36:59] <seans> at the moment we are using a system call Spong, its a little dated
[09-May-2007 09:37:02] <seans> US
[09-May-2007 09:37:39] <kompressor> so Spong is running on Debian Etch