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[01-Mar-2007 10:27:34] <b00mer> Hi y'all... I see the recent mail thread regarding the ping only monitoring in the archives... was there a resolution? I want to monitor a device which doesn't have an snmp daemon. Is there a way to do it?
[01-Mar-2007 10:28:32] <creiht> b00mer: Yes
[01-Mar-2007 10:28:46] <creiht> looking...
[01-Mar-2007 10:30:14] <chet> You create a new status monitor and set the ping retries to 0
[01-Mar-2007 10:31:49] <b00mer> chet: do you mean "Ping Tries"
[01-Mar-2007 10:31:50] <b00mer> ?
[01-Mar-2007 10:32:14] <chet> oops, yes.
[01-Mar-2007 10:32:31] <chet> At least that was the solution posted to the list.
[01-Mar-2007 10:32:39] <b00mer> ok... just starting out with zenoss... how do I associate that to a specific device?
[01-Mar-2007 10:32:52] <chet> Go the the Edit tab for a device, status monitor is a drop-down.
[01-Mar-2007 10:34:48] <PerlStalker> Is it possible to create a user which can only see certain devices?
[01-Mar-2007 10:35:30] <chet> no, not yet.
[01-Mar-2007 10:36:01] <PerlStalker> Bummer. Alright, thanks.
[01-Mar-2007 11:02:49] <b00mer> another question... thinking about migrating from Nagios to Zenoss... and in Nagios there is parenting (has some issues, but works ok) of devices... is that in Zenoss? Is that the idea of the zenmodeler? and if I am doing some ping-only monitoring, is it as effective as it will need to be, if not can I add relationships manually?
[01-Mar-2007 11:03:52] <b00mer> btw: Thanks chet... testing out your explanation above.
[01-Mar-2007 11:11:19] <chet> Good question, b00mer. I'm not 100% clear on how the parenting works in Zenoss, but here's my understanding..
[01-Mar-2007 11:12:51] <chet> The zenping process uses the knowledge of your routing tables to build a hierarchy of systems, thus automatically discovering your parent relationships. It can determine if a host is unreachable or down using this data. The other processes like zenstatus or zenperfsnmp can that use this host down data to avoid polling hosts that are down.
[01-Mar-2007 11:13:17] <chet> I've been meaning to run a test of this capability to see how well it really works in the real world, but haven't had the chance yet.
[01-Mar-2007 11:13:47] <b00mer> chet: you work for Zenoss? I see your in MD?
[01-Mar-2007 11:13:49] <chet> You can't currently add relationships manually, but this is slated for the next release.
[01-Mar-2007 11:13:56] <chet> No.. just a user.
[01-Mar-2007 11:14:08] <chet> Oddly enough I work right down the street.
[01-Mar-2007 11:14:36] <b00mer> you using this in a production environment or just testing it out?
[01-Mar-2007 11:14:59] <b00mer> or both ;)
[01-Mar-2007 11:15:00] <chet> Just testing right now.. having it shadow my existing Nagios system.
[01-Mar-2007 11:15:09] <b00mer> thats what I want to do
[01-Mar-2007 11:15:23] <b00mer> I just have a number of devices that are over VPNs and don't have SNMP
[01-Mar-2007 11:15:45] <b00mer> and I hate the tunnel goes down and 50 emails go out scenario
[01-Mar-2007 11:15:55] <b00mer> when one would have sufficed
[01-Mar-2007 11:16:14] <chet> Yeah.. I think you're SOL until the next release then.
[01-Mar-2007 11:16:31] <b00mer> so far... as a nagios guy... how do you like it? impressions?
[01-Mar-2007 11:16:36] <chet> You can manually hack the routes in, but it is anything but straightforward.
[01-Mar-2007 11:17:15] <chet> I love it.. I can't wait to replace Nagios with it. Unfortunately there are still a few things Nagios does better.
[01-Mar-2007 11:17:43] <chet> Sometimes better is just defined as differently.
[01-Mar-2007 11:18:49] <b00mer> yea... there wasn't as much of a learning curve looking at zenoss as I would have imagined... but still I don't even remotely understand the basics yet.
[01-Mar-2007 11:18:50] <creiht> b00mer: I'm using it in production and love it
[01-Mar-2007 11:19:08] <creiht> I used OpenNMS before though and not Nagios
[01-Mar-2007 11:19:25] <b00mer> its funny... it currently tells me when a host comes back online via email, but not when it goes offline
[01-Mar-2007 11:19:28] <chet> b00mer: If you don't already know Python, learn it and Zenoss becomes oodles better.
[01-Mar-2007 11:19:53] <b00mer> yea... php and perl... but its on my list of things to dive in to
[01-Mar-2007 11:20:41] <PerlStalker> I've trying to avoid finding a reason to learn python.
[01-Mar-2007 11:20:48] <PerlStalker> Seem like I can't avoid it any more.
[01-Mar-2007 11:20:49] <b00mer> creiht: I always found OpenNMS to be a bear to get started with... tried twice and both times lost interest
[01-Mar-2007 11:20:54] <chet> heh.. I didn't know a lick until I started using Zenoss.
[01-Mar-2007 11:20:58] <creiht> haha
[01-Mar-2007 11:21:04] <creiht> Yeah... It is a pain to get setup
[01-Mar-2007 11:21:19] <chet> More of a pain to extend.
[01-Mar-2007 11:21:25] <PerlStalker> Indeed.
[01-Mar-2007 11:21:25] <creiht> We lost our monitoring server, and I didn't want to go through setting up ONMS again
[01-Mar-2007 11:21:39] <creiht> That's when I found Zenoss, and haven't looked back
[01-Mar-2007 11:21:42] <PerlStalker> I tried to get opennms to talk to our APs and it was a PITA.
[01-Mar-2007 11:22:03] <creiht> Once you get it working, there are some nice things about it
[01-Mar-2007 11:22:11] <b00mer> so creiht ... you have the issues of parenting licked?
[01-Mar-2007 11:22:34] <creiht> luckily... I don't have to worry about that
[01-Mar-2007 11:22:44] <creiht> I just monitor servers
[01-Mar-2007 11:22:51] <creiht> Not network gear
[01-Mar-2007 11:23:10] <b00mer> I've tried that ping monitor... and so far no pings to the box being monitored
[01-Mar-2007 11:25:02] <chet> There wouldn't even be any if you set the ping tries to 100. The reason it works is that the default zenping process sees that it isn't the monitor for that device, so it doesn't check it. The monitor you created will never run.
[01-Mar-2007 11:26:01] <b00mer> I tried setting it to 0
[01-Mar-2007 11:26:06] <b00mer> now back to 2
[01-Mar-2007 11:26:23] <b00mer> then played with the maximum failures from 1440 to 5
[01-Mar-2007 11:28:14] <creiht> b00mer: Zenoss caches configs, and reloads every 20 minutes
[01-Mar-2007 11:28:26] <creiht> So if you make a change, it might take a while to register
[01-Mar-2007 11:28:30] <creiht> unless you restart zenoss
[01-Mar-2007 11:28:46] <b00mer> yea... its been 20 minutes since I did it... tried at 10:30 EST
[01-Mar-2007 11:29:38] <creiht> b00mer: How did you add the device?
[01-Mar-2007 11:30:11] <b00mer> "Add Device" then set "Discovery Protocol" to none.... and set
[01-Mar-2007 11:30:23] <b00mer> "Status Monitors" to "ping"
[01-Mar-2007 11:30:53] <chet> I thought you didn't want it to ping.
[01-Mar-2007 11:31:11] <creiht> If I recall correctly... all you should have to do is set the "Discovery Protocol" to none
[01-Mar-2007 11:31:18] <creiht> And it should check ping
[01-Mar-2007 11:31:24] <creiht> leave all the rest the default
[01-Mar-2007 11:31:40] <b00mer> ok
[01-Mar-2007 11:32:11] <b00mer> chet: no... all I want it to do is ping... for devices where there is no snmp or don't have access to snmp community
[01-Mar-2007 11:32:36] <chet> ok, then I gave you bad instructions. That is the default behavior. You can delete that "ping" status monitor and just let it use localhost.
[01-Mar-2007 11:35:00] <b00mer> no worries... go its set back to the localhost... what was weird when playing with it yesterday... was that it wouldn't alert when the host disappeared... but would alert when it came back online.
[01-Mar-2007 11:35:37] <chet> Was event state set to New in your alerting rule?
[01-Mar-2007 11:35:53] <b00mer> Iyes
[01-Mar-2007 11:36:48] <chet> I seem to remember a bug like this in a recent version. Which version are you running?
[01-Mar-2007 11:37:00] <b00mer> I am also running from vmware
[01-Mar-2007 11:37:03] <b00mer> so it could be old
[01-Mar-2007 11:37:15] <b00mer> started typing as you said that
[01-Mar-2007 11:37:43] <chet> Are the events created properly? IP down, then IP up?
[01-Mar-2007 11:37:54] <chet> You can check the history for the device to see.
[01-Mar-2007 11:39:40] <b00mer> I restarted the zenmodeler process and the web interface stopped responding... rebooting and I'll look
[01-Mar-2007 11:46:45] <b00mer> ok... its pinging
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[01-Mar-2007 11:48:25] <creiht> b00mer: wohoo
[01-Mar-2007 11:48:37] <creiht> oubiwann: How are the sprints going?
[01-Mar-2007 11:49:04] <oubiwann> creiht: pretty well... I'm actually packed up and waiting in the lobby, so I'm done now
[01-Mar-2007 11:49:10] <creiht> ahhh
[01-Mar-2007 11:49:15] <oubiwann> but I'll actually be continuing them when I get back to Colorado :-)
[01-Mar-2007 11:49:16] <creiht> Well safe travels then :)
[01-Mar-2007 11:49:20] <creiht> cool
[01-Mar-2007 11:56:15] <b00mer> ok... so I am back where I was... I brought down the interface to a system... it says its down... /Status/Ping 192.168.1.101 ip 192.168.1.101 is down
[01-Mar-2007 11:56:18] <b00mer> count is 6
[01-Mar-2007 11:56:21] <b00mer> but no email
[01-Mar-2007 11:56:37] <creiht> b00mer: That is odd... what version are you using?
[01-Mar-2007 11:57:02] <b00mer> aparently 1.1.1
[01-Mar-2007 11:58:28] <creiht> b00mer: Go to the $ZENOSS/logs dir
[01-Mar-2007 11:58:29] <b00mer> under alerting rules for my user... delay 0 enabled true action email.. production, error, new
[01-Mar-2007 11:58:32] <b00mer> ok
[01-Mar-2007 11:58:49] <creiht> And check the actions.log (I think that is what it is called) for any errors
[01-Mar-2007 11:59:22] <creiht> oh zenactions.log
[01-Mar-2007 11:59:51] <b00mer> doh
[01-Mar-2007 12:00:04] <b00mer> yea... I get the irc idiot of the day award
[01-Mar-2007 12:00:10] <creiht> haha
[01-Mar-2007 12:00:15] <b00mer> SPAM filtered... whereas the up message isn't
[01-Mar-2007 12:00:24] <creiht> Interesting
[01-Mar-2007 12:00:43] <chet> Most of my coworkers call it spam anyway.. so maybe appropriate.
[01-Mar-2007 12:00:46] <b00mer> good thing our spam filtering is consistent ...
[01-Mar-2007 12:01:06] <chet> SpamAngel (tm): You only get the good news.
[01-Mar-2007 12:03:14] <b00mer> ok... we'll now that I am passed this hurdle... getting closer to full size scale test... but that parenting will become an issue... but since it never really worked that well in nagios... it might not be that big an issue
[01-Mar-2007 12:04:31] <creiht> b00mer: I would send an email to the mailing list
[01-Mar-2007 12:04:42] <creiht> The devs are always fairly responsive
[01-Mar-2007 12:08:47] <chet> There are already a few tickets out there regarding the parenting. The one that looks like it's going to receive immediate attention is the one that will let you specify routes manually to build a correct pingtree and discover the dependencies.
[01-Mar-2007 12:08:52] <chet> I'd expect to see it in 1.2
[01-Mar-2007 12:10:18] <PerlStalker> I wonder how that would work with dynamic routes.
[01-Mar-2007 12:11:35] <chet> It depends what you mean by dynamic routes. Normally it discovers all routes regardless of metric, so it would know if any of them are a valid path.
[01-Mar-2007 12:12:03] <PerlStalker> Routes learned via OSPF
[01-Mar-2007 12:12:11] <chet> yes, it discovers those.
[01-Mar-2007 12:12:15] <PerlStalker> Shiny
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[01-Mar-2007 12:17:18] <creiht> b00mer: The zenoss team has been very receptive to user input. The more users that request certain features usually means the greater likelyhood that the feature will show up sooner
[01-Mar-2007 12:19:21] <b00mer> ok... I'll try and come up with a concise set of requirements I would like to see it handle
[01-Mar-2007 12:36:25] <b00mer> If you want to monitor windows servers... do you have install zenwin if you want to use WMI?
[01-Mar-2007 12:37:53] <chet> yes
[01-Mar-2007 12:38:04] <b00mer> thx
[01-Mar-2007 12:38:22] <chet> The Linux WMI clients are still quite buggy.
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[01-Mar-2007 18:29:05] <PerlStalker> How does one go about debugging DataCollector plugins?
[01-Mar-2007 18:40:38] <b00mer> bug: Changing the name of a device with a quote, a.k.a "b00mer's bitch box", causes all havoc.
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[01-Mar-2007 23:10:23] <Snake-Eyes> I assume theres a way to copy/clone a machine or make template ? eg I create graphs and data points for machine that I ssh into (not snmp), can I copy that another device to dont have to copy everything across manual
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[02-Mar-2007 10:22:32] <_chris_> Snake-Eyes: what you should do is set up a new performance template, and then set your first device to use that performance template. then when you add additional devices you can have them use the same performance template.
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[02-Mar-2007 14:09:29] <Feyr> hey guys. any reason the clock on the vmware appliance would just stop? that causes a problem with zenoss stopping the collection of its data
[02-Mar-2007 14:18:52] <PerlStalker> vmware went stupid?
[02-Mar-2007 14:21:33] <chet> vmware clock problems are always a pain, especially on SMP systems.
[02-Mar-2007 14:22:36] <chet> Your best bet is to set clock=pit in your grub.conf and set vmware-tools to sync the clock.
[02-Mar-2007 14:22:43] <Feyr> yeah i just found that. thanks
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[02-Mar-2007 14:26:01] <mangopudd> howdy. i need some assistance on setting up http monitor
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[02-Mar-2007 16:26:42] <chet> PerlStalker: Were you asking about the scalability of Zenoss the other day?
[02-Mar-2007 16:28:10] <PerlStalker> I was.
[02-Mar-2007 16:28:54] <chet> After some closer examination I think my numbers were a bit off.
[02-Mar-2007 16:32:27] <PerlStalker> Ok.
[02-Mar-2007 16:32:32] <chet> I have an old dual 550Mhz Dell 4350 that can actually get 35k data sources in 5 minutes.
[02-Mar-2007 16:32:44] <PerlStalker> Not bad.
[02-Mar-2007 16:32:50] <chet> A new Dell 2850 with dual 3Ghz processors can get nearly 70k.
[02-Mar-2007 16:33:03] <PerlStalker> That should work.
[02-Mar-2007 16:33:19] <monrad> 70K rrd files?
[02-Mar-2007 16:33:22] <chet> yeah
[02-Mar-2007 16:33:27] <PerlStalker> Now I just need to get my new DataCollector plugin working
[02-Mar-2007 16:34:07] <monrad> hmm i cant seem to get there on my server
[02-Mar-2007 16:34:26] <monrad> also dual 3ghz
[02-Mar-2007 16:34:29] <chet> monrad: that is with an average of 62 data sources per device.
[02-Mar-2007 16:34:39] <chet> on a US-wide network.
[02-Mar-2007 16:34:55] <monrad> i am collection more than 62 per device
[02-Mar-2007 16:35:15] <chet> Theoretically that would help performance..
[02-Mar-2007 16:35:37] <chet> Especially if you were using SNMPv2c..
[02-Mar-2007 16:37:24] <chet> ah.. maybe here's the catch.
[02-Mar-2007 16:37:34] <chet> My numbers are assuming you have your ZODB and MySQL databases on another server.
[02-Mar-2007 16:37:54] <monrad> ah
[02-Mar-2007 16:38:07] <chet> I do all my collection from remote monitors to keep my web interface as snappy as possible.
[02-Mar-2007 16:38:19] <monrad> well i have the rrd files on a SAN so i am offloading my IO
[02-Mar-2007 16:41:03] <chet> How are you connecting to the SAN/
[02-Mar-2007 16:41:30] <monrad> a qlogic fiber card
[02-Mar-2007 16:46:21] <monrad> i hope tobis RRDaccelerator is going to work
[02-Mar-2007 16:46:52] <monrad> i am looking forward to seeing his tutorial on rrd tomorrow
[02-Mar-2007 16:47:41] <chet> It's about time he did something like that. =}
[02-Mar-2007 16:48:00] <chet> Unfortunately I don't see how that would help Zenoss at all.
[02-Mar-2007 16:48:08] <chet> Considering that it only puts one archive in each file.
[02-Mar-2007 16:48:45] <monrad> well according to his wiki page thats whats its for
[02-Mar-2007 16:49:39] <monrad> http://oss.oetiker.ch/rrdtool-trac/wiki/RRDaccelerator
[02-Mar-2007 16:49:39] <adytum-bot> Title: RRDaccelerator - RRDtool Trac - Trac (at oss.oetiker.ch)
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[03-Mar-2007 00:57:20] <oiaohm> Hi all
[03-Mar-2007 00:57:43] <oiaohm> Anyone know if zenoss can mointer file alterations on windows in real time.
[03-Mar-2007 01:16:42] <oiaohm> Ok is anyone home in here
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[04-Mar-2007 00:42:01] <calvinhp> I just downloaded the latest zenoss via svn so I could try it out on my mac
[04-Mar-2007 00:42:51] <calvinhp> the zope and most daemons start up except for a few like the perfsnmp monitor
[04-Mar-2007 00:43:03] <calvinhp> it errors out trying to setuid itself
[04-Mar-2007 00:43:09] <calvinhp> same for a couple others
[04-Mar-2007 00:43:18] <calvinhp> I installed it as my user
[04-Mar-2007 00:43:22] <calvinhp> and it runs fine that way
[04-Mar-2007 00:43:31] <calvinhp> I tried running it as root, but got the same error
[04-Mar-2007 00:46:01] <calvinhp> ok, my bad
[04-Mar-2007 00:46:09] <calvinhp> it has to be run as the uid zenoss
[04-Mar-2007 00:46:12] <calvinhp> sorry for the noise
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[04-Mar-2007 10:07:32] <TypMic1004> Anyone have or know of howtos for integrating MRTD or RDDTool to zenoss?
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[04-Mar-2007 21:36:19] <Snake-Eyes> any know what the trick is to get a device to use a new performance template ?
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[05-Mar-2007 09:05:48] <TypMic1004> anyone integrate MRTG or wireshark to Zenoss and willing to share how they did it?
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[05-Mar-2007 10:15:38] <rhester> Anyone awake?
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[05-Mar-2007 10:19:28] <e\ectro_> anyone around this morning?
[05-Mar-2007 10:19:47] <e\ectro_> was wonder if someone could say the differences between Nagios and Zenoss
[05-Mar-2007 10:20:09] <rhester> Zenoss essentially sits atop a Nagios structure. It's a superset of the functionality.
[05-Mar-2007 10:20:53] <PerlStalker> And it's prettier :-)
[05-Mar-2007 10:21:24] <rhester> Anyone have experience with Zenoss memory thresholds for Linux?
[05-Mar-2007 10:21:26] <PerlStalker> Because, of course, looks mean everything
[05-Mar-2007 10:21:37] <creiht> rhester: Zenoss is able to run nagios plugins, but is not built off of nagios itself
[05-Mar-2007 10:22:13] <creiht> e\ectro_: But I would bet that you will find it better all the way around :)
[05-Mar-2007 10:22:15] <rhester> creiht: I know - but from a user perspective, the "under-the-hood" stuff may not be Nagios, but it's a "Nagios-alike". =) I wasn't getting down to the implementation level.
[05-Mar-2007 10:22:23] <creiht> hehe
[05-Mar-2007 10:23:01] <creiht> Well the only problem with that is that if people think that if it sits atop of Nagios that it will have the same inherit problems as nagios
[05-Mar-2007 10:23:23] <rhester> Fair enough. OK, Zenoss has its own set of unique and hairy problems. *laughs*
[05-Mar-2007 10:23:31] <creiht> heh
[05-Mar-2007 10:23:51] <creiht> I would call them more fuzzy than hairy
[05-Mar-2007 10:23:56] <creiht> ;)
[05-Mar-2007 10:24:17] <PerlStalker> Just watch out for the snake
[05-Mar-2007 10:24:21] <rhester> I'm still trying to figure out how to pull its head out of its ass w.r.t. memory tracking - for thresholds, I _need_ the ability for Zenoss to consider Linux free memory to be real + cached + buffers, NOT just real.
[05-Mar-2007 10:24:38] <rhester> The data's all there already...I don't want to write a plugin just to deliver data Zenoss already has :/
[05-Mar-2007 10:25:16] <creiht> PerlStalker: I'm a snake charmer :)
[05-Mar-2007 10:25:51] <creiht> rhester: Is there an MIB that exposes that data, or does it have to be added together after collection?
[05-Mar-2007 10:26:01] <PerlStalker> I have, thus far, avoided any reason to play with python.
[05-Mar-2007 10:26:06] <rhester> creiht: The latter - three MIBs
[05-Mar-2007 10:26:11] * PerlStalker curses zenoss for making him learn python
[05-Mar-2007 10:26:48] <creiht> PerlStalker will soon be know as SnakeCharmer :)
[05-Mar-2007 10:27:02] <PerlStalker> heh
[05-Mar-2007 10:27:34] <creiht> But lets not turn this into a Perl vs. Python religions rant :)
[05-Mar-2007 10:27:56] <creiht> rhester: Have you tried sending an email to the mailing list about it?
[05-Mar-2007 10:28:04] <PerlStalker> My dislike for python is only due to the enforced white space.
[05-Mar-2007 10:28:20] <PerlStalker> I seems like a decent enough language otherwise.
[05-Mar-2007 10:28:33] <PerlStalker> I also code PHP, so I try to avoid the holy wars.
[05-Mar-2007 10:30:21] <rhester> creiht: I haven't, only because of my strong dislike for mailing lists...they are so antiquated it's scary. I've actively considered hosting a forum for Zenoss on their behalf. :P
[05-Mar-2007 10:30:55] <rhester> It's staggering to me I'm the first with this problem, given memory threshold monitoring is a very common thing and Linux is a very common server OS, but I've searched the entire mailing list archive and nada. :/
[05-Mar-2007 10:31:09] <creiht> rhester: check out community.zenoss.org
[05-Mar-2007 10:31:22] <creiht> They arlready have a forum set up that mirrors the mailing list
[05-Mar-2007 10:31:39] <rhester> Hahaha - I see that
[05-Mar-2007 10:31:42] <rhester> Cool :)
[05-Mar-2007 10:31:43] <rhester> THanks
[05-Mar-2007 10:31:53] <creiht> rhester: Is there a nagios plugin that does it currently?
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[05-Mar-2007 10:33:41] <creiht> rhester: And the only reason that I ask about posting is that the devs are usually fairly responsive to questions there
[05-Mar-2007 10:33:52] <rhester> creiht: Not to my knowledge. That's sort of my point though - handling this via plugin seems asinine when the data is already in Zenoss now. We just need a way to specify thresholds via formulae.
[05-Mar-2007 10:33:59] <rhester> Going to register and post on the forum. :)
[05-Mar-2007 10:34:46] <creiht> rhester: I agree totally :) Was just trying to think of any possible work arounds
[05-Mar-2007 10:35:26] <rhester> I could just write a simple plugin to do the math on each server and send it up that way...but I refuse based on esoteric grounds. =)
[05-Mar-2007 10:35:45] <rhester> It's just impossible for me to imagine that there isn't a single Zenoss user monitoring Linux server memory =)
[05-Mar-2007 10:36:00] <creiht> Well we do... but not that closely
[05-Mar-2007 10:36:21] <creiht> Memory usually isn't an issue for us
[05-Mar-2007 10:36:30] <creiht> so we don't have to threshold it
[05-Mar-2007 10:36:43] <rhester> Who wouldn't want to alert on a low-memory condition, though? It's fatal to performance if not the server itself...it's more important than CPU thresholding, IMHO
[05-Mar-2007 10:37:25] <creiht> Well... When you have servers with 8GB of memory... it usually isn't a problem :)
[05-Mar-2007 10:37:52] <creiht> But you are right
[05-Mar-2007 10:38:16] <creiht> I had looked at setting thresholds for stuff, I came to the same thing that you did
[05-Mar-2007 10:38:41] <creiht> But since it wasn't a major problem for us, it is way down on my list of wants for zenoss :)
[05-Mar-2007 10:39:37] * b52lap think that server with 8GB of memory could be perfect for command and conquer :d
[05-Mar-2007 10:39:59] <rhester> I have servers with 32GB of memory and it's still critical - we actually run a business here *laughs*
[05-Mar-2007 10:40:05] <rhester> I work for a stock exchange
[05-Mar-2007 10:40:14] <creiht> haha
[05-Mar-2007 10:40:25] <creiht> I use it to monitor our production servers
[05-Mar-2007 10:40:30] <creiht> For our internal apps
[05-Mar-2007 10:40:53] <PerlStalker> Out here, a stock exchange is where they sell cattle :-)
[05-Mar-2007 10:40:54] <rhester> When one of our developers has an "oops!" memory leak, we only tend to find out about it once the server has crashed, hence the desire to pre-empt that ;)
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[05-Mar-2007 10:42:37] <creiht> rhester: All of that to say... What you are suggestion would be very usefull, and I would not complain if it got added :)
[05-Mar-2007 10:43:19] <rhester> Sadly, I won't be the one to do it - me no speakee Python =)
[05-Mar-2007 10:44:11] <creiht> rhester: The one thing that I have found is that the devs have been fairly responsive to request. If something makes sense, they seem to add it to the pipeline
[05-Mar-2007 10:44:33] <creiht> I can't guarantee that... just an observation :)
[05-Mar-2007 10:45:59] <rhester> :)
[05-Mar-2007 10:48:17] <creiht> rhester: hmmm... I was just looking at the threshold UI, and I almost bet you can set a threshold based on more than one data source
[05-Mar-2007 10:49:29] <creiht> Unfortunately I don't know enough about how it works to know how to do it
[05-Mar-2007 10:49:31] <PerlStalker> I can see a pretty stacked chart with the memory pieces with the threshold based on ... something
[05-Mar-2007 10:49:52] <rhester> creiht: I've tried, and you can - independently. There's no way to indicate you want to sum them.
[05-Mar-2007 10:50:38] <creiht> hmm... true
[05-Mar-2007 10:51:01] <creiht> Well... I'll leave it to the devs on the forum before I stick my foot in my mouth
[05-Mar-2007 11:06:45] <chet> It seems like there should be an additional CDEF "Source Type" for data sources.
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[05-Mar-2007 12:10:55] <monrad> anyone having problems with the deviceloader example in the wiki?
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[05-Mar-2007 12:46:06] <e\ectro_> PerlStalker: I'm with ya on the Perl, so much easier for me to code / read
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[05-Mar-2007 15:18:30] <DiggyJr> hello all. i've struggled a bit with zenoss. i seem to have it installed ok. i can reach the admin console fine.
[05-Mar-2007 15:18:51] <DiggyJr> seems now like i can't get zendisc to work.
[05-Mar-2007 15:20:32] <DiggyJr> when i try to start it, I get "sudo: /bin/python: command not found". huh. is this a permission issue (pthon is at /opt/zenoss/bin/pyhton)?
[05-Mar-2007 15:20:54] <chet> How are you starting it?
[05-Mar-2007 15:20:55] <DiggyJr> yeesh on the spelling :-)
[05-Mar-2007 15:21:26] <DiggyJr> starting it with "./zendisc start"
[05-Mar-2007 15:21:42] <chet> While running as the zenoss user?
[05-Mar-2007 15:21:50] <DiggyJr> no
[05-Mar-2007 15:21:57] <chet> Try that.. "sudo su - zenoss"
[05-Mar-2007 15:22:02] <chet> Then just "zendisc start"
[05-Mar-2007 15:22:22] <DiggyJr> that might account for it (he said sheepishly). i'll try it.
[05-Mar-2007 15:22:26] <chet> There are a lot of user specific environment variables that the zenoss scripts rely on.
[05-Mar-2007 15:23:58] <DiggyJr> ah.
[05-Mar-2007 15:24:20] <DiggyJr> well, of course, it's now working via user zenoss
[05-Mar-2007 15:24:44] <chet> You live and you learn.. it's a common mistake.
[05-Mar-2007 15:26:25] <DiggyJr> true. and, at times, i also tend to leap before i look. the solution can be right under my nose if i'd be just a bit more patient.
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[05-Mar-2007 15:37:54] <DiggyJr> during discovery, i get "INFO:zen.ZenDisc:ip '192.168.100.25' on device 'HP4200_1.headquarters.firstbhph.com' skipping". same for other printers and networking devices (routers, switches). why?
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[05-Mar-2007 15:51:13] <_chris_> hey oubiwann
[05-Mar-2007 15:51:24] <oubiwann> _chris_: hey man
[05-Mar-2007 15:51:54] <_chris_> hows it goin?
[05-Mar-2007 15:52:06] <oubiwann> pretty good
[05-Mar-2007 15:52:17] <oubiwann> getting back into the swing
[05-Mar-2007 15:52:26] <_chris_> swing and a miss! ;-)
[05-Mar-2007 15:52:59] <oubiwann> hehe
[05-Mar-2007 15:53:21] <oubiwann> it was almost a miss today... comcast decided to shit itself today
[05-Mar-2007 15:53:41] <oubiwann> I had no internets for the first half of the day
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[05-Mar-2007 16:05:18] <monrad> Type: TypeError
[05-Mar-2007 16:05:18] <monrad> Value: list objects are unhashable
[05-Mar-2007 16:05:23] <monrad> anyone seen that?
[05-Mar-2007 16:05:36] <monrad> its a class i cant do anything with
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[05-Mar-2007 18:54:47] <Snake-Eyes> _chris_, you're still awake, thanks for pointer on friday about templates. I made one but I'm not getting this meta tag business, how do you get the template used by new devices ?
[05-Mar-2007 18:56:19] <Snake-Eyes> I made class called /Devices/Server/Linux/Debian/ssh and the template called ssh
[05-Mar-2007 18:56:42] <_chris_> ok
[05-Mar-2007 18:58:20] <Snake-Eyes> it keeps using template Device in class /Devices/Server
[05-Mar-2007 19:01:39] <_chris_> go to the Manage tab for the device you want to change to use the /Devices/Server/Linux/Debian/ssh configuration
[05-Mar-2007 19:01:53] <_chris_> then change the Device Class Path, and click Change. that should do the trick
[05-Mar-2007 19:02:49] <creiht> haha
[05-Mar-2007 19:02:52] <creiht> doh
[05-Mar-2007 19:02:56] <creiht> wrong window :)
[05-Mar-2007 19:03:08] <_chris_> :)
[05-Mar-2007 19:06:01] <Snake-Eyes> _chris_, tried that before, and tried it again now. changing Device Class Path didnt stopit from using /Devices/Server (Device) template
[05-Mar-2007 19:07:10] <Snake-Eyes> RRDTemplate @ /Devices/Server
[05-Mar-2007 19:07:10] <_chris_> that's not right :)
[05-Mar-2007 19:07:12] <_chris_> if you're looking at a device, and you click on Manage
[05-Mar-2007 19:07:13] <Snake-Eyes> yea :(
[05-Mar-2007 19:07:20] <_chris_> and then you change the Device Class Path to something else
[05-Mar-2007 19:07:24] <_chris_> and then you go back to PerfConf
[05-Mar-2007 19:07:32] <_chris_> you should see it say RRDTemplate @ /Whatever/You/Chose
[05-Mar-2007 19:07:45] <_chris_> there isn't a "Remove Local" button next to that RRDTemplate text is there?
[05-Mar-2007 19:07:56] <_chris_> there should be a "Make Local" but not a "Remove Local"
[05-Mar-2007 19:08:30] <Snake-Eyes> theres make local
[05-Mar-2007 19:08:50] <Snake-Eyes> /Devices /Server /Linux /Debian /ssh /10.0.100.12
[05-Mar-2007 19:08:55] <_chris_> ya -
[05-Mar-2007 19:09:12] <_chris_> i would delete the device
[05-Mar-2007 19:09:13] <_chris_> and re-add it
[05-Mar-2007 19:09:18] <_chris_> you won't lose your performance data
[05-Mar-2007 19:09:21] <_chris_> and you won't lose your events
[05-Mar-2007 19:09:25] <Snake-Eyes> ok
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[05-Mar-2007 19:11:00] <Snake-Eyes> deleted it and made it again under ssh class and its still using device/server :(
[05-Mar-2007 19:12:09] <_chris_> can you send me some screenshots?
[05-Mar-2007 19:12:11] <_chris_> chris@zenoss.com
[05-Mar-2007 19:12:25] <Snake-Eyes> ok
[05-Mar-2007 19:14:19] <_chris_> i'm heading home for dinner
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[05-Mar-2007 20:13:26] <monrad> well we got a couple of python guys around so zenoss is nice
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[06-Mar-2007 00:07:23] <Snake-Eyes> ok now to rearrange the templates now that I've made sucha mess :P
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[06-Mar-2007 10:22:24] <ski98033> Hi, Is there any way to change the graphs to keep 1 minute averages instead of 5 minute averages?
[06-Mar-2007 10:25:19] <_chris_> do you want to change ALL your graphs to use 1 minute averages? or do you just want to change a few of them?
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[06-Mar-2007 10:34:26] <ski98033> all or just a few - whatever is easier. I am doing some quick testing and could not figure out where to make the change
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[06-Mar-2007 10:48:21] <chet> ski98033: I believe all you have to do is go to Monitors->YourPerfMonitor->Edit and set the SnmpCycleInterval to 60 seconds.
[06-Mar-2007 10:48:50] <ski98033> ok, I will try that out.
[06-Mar-2007 10:49:06] <chet> You'll then have to stop zenperfsnmp, delete all of the 5 minute RRD files from under perf/Devices and then restart zenperfsnmp
[06-Mar-2007 10:50:11] <ski98033> Thanks,
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[06-Mar-2007 11:27:03] <Feyr> i think that's wrong, you'll just update the 5 minutes average every 1 minute
[06-Mar-2007 11:27:14] <Feyr> you want to change your graph to use the OID for 1 minute average one
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[06-Mar-2007 11:28:06] <Xeonel> hello
[06-Mar-2007 11:28:44] <Xeonel> I've succesfully installed zenoss on ubuntu, but I can't get the ssh monitoring to work... it times out...
[06-Mar-2007 11:28:51] <chet> Feyr: I checked the zenpersnmp.py and RRDUtil.py code. It uses the cycle time as the step when creating the RRD archives.
[06-Mar-2007 11:29:08] <Feyr> yes, but you're still populating it with the 5 minute average data
[06-Mar-2007 11:29:13] <Xeonel> all the settings are made by following the manual... any hints? or at least... where can I look for more info? all I get is a timeout error
[06-Mar-2007 11:29:43] <chet> Feyr: There's no such thing as 5 minute specific data in MIB trees, Feyr.
[06-Mar-2007 11:30:21] <chet> Xeonel: Are you able to ssh from the zenoss account on your monitoring server to the target system?
[06-Mar-2007 11:30:48] <Xeonel> yes I am... that's why I don't understand the error
[06-Mar-2007 11:31:07] <Feyr> i think you better check your MIB again
[06-Mar-2007 11:31:17] <Feyr> 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.10.1.5.2
[06-Mar-2007 11:31:25] <Feyr> is the 5min average data, provided by the OS
[06-Mar-2007 11:31:34] <Feyr> you want 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.10.1.5.1 for 1min average
[06-Mar-2007 11:31:35] <ski98033> chet, the change to get 1 min readings worked great. thanks
[06-Mar-2007 11:31:54] <chet> Feyr: I don't mean to sound insulting, but I think maybe you misunderstand
[06-Mar-2007 11:32:13] <chet> That OID mentions 5 minutes, but it is of the GAUGE type, so it will be valid no matter how often you poll it.
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[06-Mar-2007 11:32:35] <Feyr> which is exactly my point
[06-Mar-2007 11:32:57] <Feyr> you're updating your rrd 5 times with the same data
[06-Mar-2007 11:33:09] <PerlStalker> Not quite, I think.
[06-Mar-2007 11:33:16] <Feyr> not quite, but not far
[06-Mar-2007 11:33:17] <chet> Feyr: Not true.. the 5 minute average can change every second if it wants.
[06-Mar-2007 11:33:32] <chet> Feyr: It is a rolling average
[06-Mar-2007 11:33:37] <Feyr> i understand that
[06-Mar-2007 11:33:50] <Feyr> the guy wants 1 minute averages, so he's got the wrong OID
[06-Mar-2007 11:34:57] <Feyr> what you're giving him is a 5 minute average, updated every 60 seconds
[06-Mar-2007 11:35:18] <chet> What makes you think ski98033 even cares about CPU? Perhaps he's looking at interface utilization or some other arbitrary OID.
[06-Mar-2007 11:35:45] <Feyr> what makes you think he's not looking at cpu?
[06-Mar-2007 11:35:57] <chet> On top of that, a 5 minute average updated every 60 seconds still has a 5x greater resolution than a 5 minute average updated every 5 minutes.
[06-Mar-2007 11:36:12] <Feyr> sure, but it's not what he asked for
[06-Mar-2007 11:37:13] <chet> He was speaking of the RRD AVERAGE consolidation function, not load average.
[06-Mar-2007 11:37:19] <chet> Of course I'm assuming this..
[06-Mar-2007 11:37:25] <chet> Just like you're assuming the opposite.
[06-Mar-2007 11:37:33] <chet> Let's just agree that I'm right. =}
[06-Mar-2007 11:37:54] <Feyr> lets just agree that we dont have enough data to say who is right or wrong :)
[06-Mar-2007 11:38:05] <chet> Can we at least place a bet?
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[06-Mar-2007 11:39:25] <Feyr> alright
[06-Mar-2007 11:40:00] <chet> fine
[06-Mar-2007 11:40:15] <Feyr> ski98033, help us out here. what are you graphing with those 1mins averages?
[06-Mar-2007 11:40:35] <chet> Feyr: If you look back he said that my solution worked.
[06-Mar-2007 11:41:12] <Feyr> he must have a really good eye, because i have a hard time differentiating 1min vs 5min numbers just by eyeballing them :)
[06-Mar-2007 11:41:37] <chet> Ok, now you're just screwing with me. =}
[06-Mar-2007 11:45:01] <Xeonel> chet: http://pastebin.com/894691 for the actual output when trying to collect some data
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[06-Mar-2007 11:47:55] <chet> I'm having trouble loading that, Xeonel.
[06-Mar-2007 11:48:05] <_chris_> i hate how slow pastebin has become.
[06-Mar-2007 11:48:18] <Xeonel> hrm... any pastebin alternative?
[06-Mar-2007 11:48:30] <InAcrash> hello all
[06-Mar-2007 11:48:36] <chet> Hi InAcrash
[06-Mar-2007 11:48:50] <InAcrash> I'm having trouble receiving alerts...
[06-Mar-2007 11:49:09] <InAcrash> I've configured the smtp settings and receive the test just fine.
[06-Mar-2007 11:49:17] <chet> InAcrash: Have you looked in zenactions.log yet?
[06-Mar-2007 11:49:46] <InAcrash> I haven't, where can I find that?
[06-Mar-2007 11:50:08] <chet> in $ZENHOME/log
[06-Mar-2007 11:50:43] <Xeonel> chet: try this one http://pastebin.mozilla.org/4509
[06-Mar-2007 11:50:43] <adytum-bot> Title: Mozilla Pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
[06-Mar-2007 11:50:43] <Xeonel> should be faster...
[06-Mar-2007 11:50:53] <chet> Xeonel: much
[06-Mar-2007 11:51:42] <chet> Xeonel: Can you see the attempted connections in the logs of the target system?
[06-Mar-2007 11:52:04] <chet> Xeonel: Maybe check tcpdump/wireshark to see if it's really trying to connect over ssh?
[06-Mar-2007 11:52:05] <InAcrash> chet: what am I looking for in the log?
[06-Mar-2007 11:52:15] <Xeonel> yes... I'm getting something
[06-Mar-2007 11:52:34] <Xeonel> I'll try a tcpdump right now...
[06-Mar-2007 11:52:36] <chet> InAcrash: processed # rules and processed # commands
[06-Mar-2007 11:52:40] <chet> InAcrash: What are those #s?
[06-Mar-2007 11:53:00] <InAcrash> i dont know how to access $ZENHOME/log...
[06-Mar-2007 11:53:19] <InAcrash> im logged in as root, but how to get there im lost
[06-Mar-2007 11:53:27] <chet> InAcrash: su - zenoss
[06-Mar-2007 11:53:55] <chet> InAcrash: tail $ZENHOME/log/zenactions.log
[06-Mar-2007 11:55:03] <InAcrash> invalid option
[06-Mar-2007 11:55:22] <_chris_> InAcrash: echo $ZENHOME
[06-Mar-2007 11:55:23] <_chris_> what do you get?
[06-Mar-2007 11:55:24] <Xeonel> well... tcpdump reveals that communication does take place... but I don't have enough info to debug and see why it times out
[06-Mar-2007 11:55:52] <Xeonel> how does zenmodeler call the ssh client?
[06-Mar-2007 11:55:53] <chet> Xeonel: You get a SYN and SYN/ACK?
[06-Mar-2007 11:56:17] <Xeonel> chet: yes... I see the connection is established
[06-Mar-2007 11:56:49] <chet> Xeonel: It actually uses the twisted conch ssh client..
[06-Mar-2007 11:57:19] <chet> Xeonel: Are you using password authentication or public key?
[06-Mar-2007 11:57:31] <InAcrash> chet: 0 proccessed commands, 0 processed rules
[06-Mar-2007 11:57:52] <Xeonel> chet: passwor auth
[06-Mar-2007 11:57:53] <chet> InAcrash: Run "zenactions restart"
[06-Mar-2007 11:58:02] <chet> InAcrash: It's possible that it hasn't loaded your rules yet.
[06-Mar-2007 11:58:15] <chet> InAcrash: Another thing to verify is that your alerting rule has Enabled set to true.
[06-Mar-2007 11:58:25] <Xeonel> chet: even ran zenmodeler by hand... with proper params and the output was the same
[06-Mar-2007 11:59:22] <InAcrash> chet: all are set to true, restarted, and same results for 0 of commands and rules
[06-Mar-2007 11:59:22] <chet> Xeonel: I've never tried the password authentication. Would it be possible for you to try public key to see if it worked?
[06-Mar-2007 12:00:00] <_chris_> chet: SnakeEyes also had problems with the password authentication. the public key auth worked for him.
[06-Mar-2007 12:00:16] <_chris_> in version 1.2 i believe the passphrase enabled public key auth method works.
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[06-Mar-2007 12:00:54] <chet> InAcrash: What version are you running? I think there was a related bug in zenactions recently.
[06-Mar-2007 12:01:03] <chet> InAcrash: You should upgrade to 1.1 if you aren't already there.
[06-Mar-2007 12:01:28] <InAcrash> Zenoss 1.1.1
[06-Mar-2007 12:02:06] <chet> InAcrash: Something is definitely screwy.
[06-Mar-2007 12:02:27] <chet> InAcrash: Stop zenactions, delete all of your alerting rules, create a single simple one then start zenactions.
[06-Mar-2007 12:04:08] <InAcrash> simple one being the defaults?
[06-Mar-2007 12:04:41] <chet> yeah, that'll work.. except it should obviously be enabled.
[06-Mar-2007 12:04:58] <InAcrash> right, will do... one sec
[06-Mar-2007 12:08:53] <InAcrash> worked, thank you much
[06-Mar-2007 12:09:13] <chet> InAcrash: Had you upgraded from a previous version, or was 1.1.1 a fresh install?
[06-Mar-2007 12:11:45] <InAcrash> fresh install
[06-Mar-2007 12:12:00] <chet> strange.
[06-Mar-2007 12:12:29] <InAcrash> yeah, it's working now... so no complaints, ;-) i appreciate your time, thank you
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[06-Mar-2007 12:19:36] <Xeonel> chet: ok... I've configured the public key and checked the config... it works. What should I change in zProperties now?
[06-Mar-2007 12:20:01] <chet> You can delete the password.. everything else is the same.
[06-Mar-2007 12:20:45] <Xeonel> ah... ok
[06-Mar-2007 12:21:27] <chet> Public key authentication should probably be preferred anyway. You can use the command= directive in your authorized_keys file to limit the zenoss user to specific commands.
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[06-Mar-2007 12:25:24] <Xeonel> well... no luck. Same timeout error...
[06-Mar-2007 12:25:48] <Xeonel> is there any way to debugg it? like using ssh -v somehow and see what's wrong?
[06-Mar-2007 12:26:58] <Xeonel> also... there's no entry in auth.log when I try to collect data... but when I use ssh to test the public key setup... the connection is logged to auth.log
[06-Mar-2007 12:27:07] <chet> Not as far as I can tell from looking at the responsible code. You might be able to go about it the opposite way.
[06-Mar-2007 12:27:21] <Xeonel> the opposite way?
[06-Mar-2007 12:27:22] <chet> Shutdown SSHD on the target system and start it up in foreground debug mode..
[06-Mar-2007 12:28:10] <InAcrash> chet: when receiving alerts i have links to event detail, however, how can I change it from targeting to localhost.localdomain:8080
[06-Mar-2007 12:29:15] <chet> InAcrash: Edit $ZENHOME/etc/zenactions.conf
[06-Mar-2007 12:29:47] <chet> InAcrash: zopeurl http://zenoss.your.domain:8080
[06-Mar-2007 12:29:59] <InAcrash> thanks
[06-Mar-2007 12:30:20] <chet> InAcrash: In the same file you can specify the sender address for the emails if need be..
[06-Mar-2007 12:30:30] <chet> InAcrash: fromaddr you@your.domain
[06-Mar-2007 12:30:51] <chet> Of course zenactions needs to be restarted after these changes are made.
[06-Mar-2007 12:32:09] <Xeonel> chet: well I've got something... it seems that zenoss is using a diffrent client... a python client from what I see
[06-Mar-2007 12:38:42] <chet> yeah, that's true.. the conch client that's part of twisted.. http://twistedmatrix.com/projects/conch/
[06-Mar-2007 12:38:42] <adytum-bot> Title: Conch (at twistedmatrix.com)
[06-Mar-2007 12:42:50] <Xeonel> maybe you've got some ideeas... http://pastebin.mozilla.org/4511 : local ssh client vs twisted logged on the remote server
[06-Mar-2007 12:42:50] <adytum-bot> Title: Mozilla Pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
[06-Mar-2007 12:44:17] <chet> Interesting! I'm beginning to think this conch method is new and maybe they used openssh back when I tried it. Let me try a few things..
[06-Mar-2007 12:46:24] <Xeonel> chet: it would help me alot if I knew how exactly does the zenoss server calls this twisted ssh client...
[06-Mar-2007 12:46:49] <chet> check out $ZENHOME/Products/DataCollector/SshClient.py
[06-Mar-2007 12:46:58] <chet> Although it isn't really that helpful.
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[06-Mar-2007 12:51:34] <PerlStalker> Are there any docs for writing DataCollectors?
[06-Mar-2007 12:51:46] <PerlStalker> The page on the wiki only has "In progress"
[06-Mar-2007 12:54:31] <Xeonel> seems to me like a dead end... I can't seem to be making any progress debugging this out...
[06-Mar-2007 12:54:40] <chet> Xeonel: Not a dead end.. I'm working it out.
[06-Mar-2007 12:54:53] <Xeonel> ah... thanks then :)
[06-Mar-2007 12:58:00] <PerlStalker> Maybe someone can help be troubleshoot this.
[06-Mar-2007 12:58:43] <PerlStalker> I'm trying to use snmpGetTableMaps = GetTableMap(...) like InterfacesMap does.
[06-Mar-2007 12:59:34] <PerlStalker> But ... hang on. It seems the typo monster has been rampaging through my code.
[06-Mar-2007 13:01:27] <PerlStalker> Stupid computers doing what I say and not what I mean.
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[06-Mar-2007 13:06:24] <loflika> Greetings
[06-Mar-2007 13:13:35] <PerlStalker> How are RRDTemplates matched with devices? I thought it was based off of the device class.
[06-Mar-2007 13:13:45] <_chris__> PerlStalker: it is.
[06-Mar-2007 13:15:17] <PerlStalker> The shouldn't a device in a custom class /Device/Network/AP/Trango show (in PerfConf) something like RRDTemplate @ /Device/Network/AP/...
[06-Mar-2007 13:18:38] <_chris__> PerlStalker: it should, unless you have not added or changed of the perfconf at /Network/AP/Trango level. if it's the same as /Network/AP then you'll just see RRDTemplate @/Network/AP
[06-Mar-2007 13:18:50] <PerlStalker> I have changed it there.
[06-Mar-2007 13:19:14] <PerlStalker> I added a custom thing to graph the performance data.
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[06-Mar-2007 13:30:28] <Xeonel> chet: any luck yet?
[06-Mar-2007 13:31:07] <PerlStalker> _chris__: Would that mapping happen right away or does it happen after the performance collection has run?
[06-Mar-2007 13:31:27] <_chris__> the new graph should appear right away
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[06-Mar-2007 13:33:53] <PerlStalker> Perhaps I need to be trying to figure out why the templates are not being applied.
[06-Mar-2007 13:35:27] <PerlStalker> Even if my thing isn't being used, shouldn't /Device/Network be used?
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[06-Mar-2007 13:56:23] <chet> Xeonel: Still around?
[06-Mar-2007 13:59:54] <Xeonel> yep
[06-Mar-2007 13:59:58] <Xeonel> shoot
[06-Mar-2007 14:00:36] <chet> Xeonel: I got this working in my setup after resolving one *shoulda been* obvious mistake.
[06-Mar-2007 14:01:00] <Xeonel> and? what was that obvious mistak? :)
[06-Mar-2007 14:01:03] <chet> I'm using RSA keys, so I had to change the zKeyPath to ~/.ssh/id_rsa
[06-Mar-2007 14:01:12] <Xeonel> did that... no avail
[06-Mar-2007 14:01:13] <Xeonel> :)
[06-Mar-2007 14:01:41] <chet> The only difference I see between our setups is that I'm not using OpenSSH's PAM integration.
[06-Mar-2007 14:01:47] <Xeonel> what's the ssh service?
[06-Mar-2007 14:01:52] <Xeonel> err... ssh version :)
[06-Mar-2007 14:01:56] <chet> OpenSSH4.1p1
[06-Mar-2007 14:02:31] <Xeonel> well... I'm using OpenSSH_4.3p2... but I don't think that's a problem...
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[06-Mar-2007 14:04:14] <Xeonel> ok... I've just disabled pam... I'll give it another shot
[06-Mar-2007 14:04:14] <chet> Try this: zenmodeler run -v 10 -d your.device
[06-Mar-2007 14:04:19] <chet> ok
[06-Mar-2007 14:06:33] <chet> BTW, I looked up that "no match" debug message in the OpenSSH source. All it means that no special compatibility options need to be turned on for that client.
[06-Mar-2007 14:07:05] <chet> It actually returns a 0 to the caller for the "OpenSSH*" pattern and the "no match"
[06-Mar-2007 14:07:13] <chet> So there's no difference at all.
[06-Mar-2007 14:08:07] <Xeonel> ah... I see
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[06-Mar-2007 14:32:48] <Xeonel> that's strange... zenmodeler runs fine... but when I call it from the web frontend... same error
[06-Mar-2007 14:32:51] <Xeonel> I don't get it
[06-Mar-2007 14:41:46] <chet> You launched zope from the same user that you're launching zenmodeler, right?
[06-Mar-2007 14:46:50] <Xeonel> hrm... I'm using the init script provided by the zenoss install process.. but I'll check the processes
[06-Mar-2007 14:47:49] <Xeonel> yes... only zenping, zensyslog and zentrap are started as root
[06-Mar-2007 14:49:20] <chet> That's odd.. maybe SELinux? Are you running it?
[06-Mar-2007 14:49:38] <Xeonel> nope
[06-Mar-2007 14:49:46] <Xeonel> I'll try restarting zenoss
[06-Mar-2007 14:49:59] <Xeonel> because now the timeout is almost instant
[06-Mar-2007 15:03:36] <Xeonel> hrm... python's taking around 70-90% cpu... and I'm running on a dual Xeon 2.4GHz
[06-Mar-2007 15:04:04] <Xeonel> actually... python2.4 is eating that much...
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[06-Mar-2007 15:32:52] <chet> Xeonel: Which one of the python processes is it? Cross reference the PID to ps ax..
[06-Mar-2007 15:33:25] <chet> zenmodeler is known to be very CPU heavy, but by default only runs every 12 hours.
[06-Mar-2007 15:33:36] <chet> It would probably be running since you just restarted the whole batch.
[06-Mar-2007 15:34:10] <chet> If you're worried about the CPU utilization you can limit the number of parallel jobs it runs.
[06-Mar-2007 15:34:21] <Xeonel> well... seems to be zope
[06-Mar-2007 15:35:38] <Xeonel> how can I start with a fresh config? without reinstalling? I thing something got fu%$ed up
[06-Mar-2007 15:37:57] <chet> If you installed from RPM, I'm not sure.
[06-Mar-2007 15:38:09] <chet> If you installed from source/SVN I have an idea.
[06-Mar-2007 15:38:25] <Xeonel> source install
[06-Mar-2007 15:40:17] <chet> stop all the zenoss processes, drop the mysql database, delete everything from $ZENHOME/var
[06-Mar-2007 15:40:28] <chet> Then run the install from the zenossinst directory again.
[06-Mar-2007 15:41:14] <Xeonel> you mean from the source dir... right?
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[06-Mar-2007 16:12:06] <PerlStalker> Oh, this is fun. I can't delete a device.
[06-Mar-2007 16:12:22] <PerlStalker> I get this error: AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'deleteDevice'
[06-Mar-2007 16:14:37] <PerlStalker> How do I get this thing out of the database?
[06-Mar-2007 16:16:25] <PerlStalker> Odd. It's gone now. What the heck?
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[06-Mar-2007 16:50:19] <PerlStalker> What's the difference between Products/SnmpCollector/CustomMaps/InterfaceMap.py and Products/DataCollector/plugins/zenoss/snmp/InterfaceMap.py?
[06-Mar-2007 17:25:53] <cote> Any chance of getting some help debugging a failed build/install on OS X?
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[06-Mar-2007 17:44:46] <brozow> w00t
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[06-Mar-2007 18:14:15] <kripton1x> exit
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[06-Mar-2007 18:20:35] <_chris__> cote: are you running a macbook or a PPC?
[06-Mar-2007 18:20:49] <_chris__> cote: and what's the error you're getting?
[06-Mar-2007 18:20:58] <cote> _chris__: PPC
[06-Mar-2007 18:21:16] <cote> I get this:
[06-Mar-2007 18:21:18] <cote> gcc -g -O2 -o check_mysql check_mysql-check_mysql.o netutils.o utils.o -L/Users/zenoss/zenoss/zenoss-1.1.1/build/nagios-plugins-1.4.5/plugins ../lib/libnagiosplug.a ../lib/libcoreutils.a -lresolv -L/usr/local/mysql/lib -lmysqlclient -lz -lm -ldl -lssl -lcrypto
[06-Mar-2007 18:21:18] <cote> ld: Undefined symbols:
[06-Mar-2007 18:21:19] <cote> _fprintf$LDBLStub
[06-Mar-2007 18:21:19] <cote> _sprintf$LDBLStub
[06-Mar-2007 18:21:20] <cote> _printf$LDBLStub
[06-Mar-2007 18:21:21] <cote> _vsprintf$LDBLStub
[06-Mar-2007 18:21:23] <cote> make[2]: *** [check_mysql] Error 1
[06-Mar-2007 18:21:25] <cote> make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
[06-Mar-2007 18:21:32] <cote> (Sorry for the cut-paste blob.)
[06-Mar-2007 18:21:38] <_chris__> this is for the nagios plugins
[06-Mar-2007 18:21:45] <_chris__> are you planning on using them?
[06-Mar-2007 18:22:25] <cote> Sure, but I don't have to. I'm just playing around with it so nagios isn't critical.
[06-Mar-2007 18:22:39] <_chris__> gotcha.
[06-Mar-2007 18:22:40] <_chris__> well
[06-Mar-2007 18:22:57] <_chris__> there's a whole bunch of capability within zenoss that doesn't require the nagios-plugins
[06-Mar-2007 18:23:08] <_chris__> so we could try to fix the nagios-plugins compile problem
[06-Mar-2007 18:23:18] <_chris__> or we could just comment out that line in the GNUmakefile, and move on
[06-Mar-2007 18:23:55] <cote> I'm happy to comment out the line.
[06-Mar-2007 18:24:07] <_chris__> if you're not planning on using them (for now) i'd edit the GNUmakefile, and find the line that says products-install:
[06-Mar-2007 18:24:14] <_chris__> then go to the line that says nagios-install below it
[06-Mar-2007 18:24:16] <_chris__> and delete it
[06-Mar-2007 18:24:17] <cote> I'll imagine the bountiful coolness that nagios would bring ;)
[06-Mar-2007 18:24:22] <_chris__> that'll get you past nagios-plugins
[06-Mar-2007 18:24:23] <cote> OK, I'll try that.
[06-Mar-2007 18:24:31] <cote> Thanks a million, _chris__!
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[06-Mar-2007 18:29:47] <_chris__> no problem cote. i'm heading home for the evening... i'll ttyl
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[07-Mar-2007 10:35:15] <PerlStalker> I just don't get this. Why doesn't zenoss apply my custom RRD template when I set the device class?
[07-Mar-2007 10:36:53] <PerlStalker> Writing a new DataCollector shouldn't be this hard.
[07-Mar-2007 10:38:52] <monrad> PerlStalker: what are your trying to do?
[07-Mar-2007 10:39:33] <PerlStalker> I'm trying to collect SU performance from a Trango AP via SNMP
[07-Mar-2007 10:39:43] <monrad> SU?
[07-Mar-2007 10:40:00] <PerlStalker> SU => Subscriber Unit. The customer's end
[07-Mar-2007 10:40:05] <monrad> ah ok
[07-Mar-2007 10:40:27] <monrad> i have not played around with that part yet
[07-Mar-2007 10:40:38] <monrad> but i look forward to play around with zenpacks
[07-Mar-2007 10:40:43] <PerlStalker> Anyway, Trango set their stuff up so that you have to talk to the AP to get SU data.
[07-Mar-2007 10:40:56] <PerlStalker> I wish I could find complete docs on writing the stupid things.
[07-Mar-2007 10:41:17] <monrad> docs i think is zenoss weakest point right now
[07-Mar-2007 10:41:25] <PerlStalker> No kidding.
[07-Mar-2007 10:41:58] <PerlStalker> I was able to the app setup fairly quickly but this is just nuts.
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[07-Mar-2007 11:37:10] <jp10558> I'm having a problem with getting graphs to show up for my Linux, Windows and VMS machines. Actually, the only machine that pref shows graphs for is localhost. I am using the VMWare appliance with NAT. I can see uptime and other info, but I get errors about bad OID, and no performance graphs show up. Any ideas about how I'd fix the bad OID error?
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[07-Mar-2007 12:26:45] <PerlStalker> Is there anything magical about the interfaces or routes section of the 'os' page?
[07-Mar-2007 12:26:50] <PerlStalker> Can I add other sections to that?
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[07-Mar-2007 13:04:33] <jp10558> How do you add new graphs?
[07-Mar-2007 13:04:52] <jp10558> How do you know what you can monitor for a specific device?
[07-Mar-2007 13:29:48] <PerlStalker> jp10558: If it uses SNMP, you can read the MIB for the device.
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[07-Mar-2007 13:33:52] <jp10558> Where do I get MIBs, say for Linux or Windows?
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[07-Mar-2007 14:14:45] <jp10558> Should anything out of the box do graphs in Zenoss VMWare Appliance except for the system itself?
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[07-Mar-2007 14:18:42] <Zak_P> Can some one help me diagnose an issue with ver1.1.1 and a cisco caztalyst 6505e
[07-Mar-2007 14:18:52] <Zak_P> i am not able to get SNMP data from it with zenoss
[07-Mar-2007 14:19:00] <Zak_P> but i can get data from the command line
[07-Mar-2007 14:19:12] <Zak_P> this works like a champ
[07-Mar-2007 14:19:12] <Zak_P> snmpwalk -c public -v 1 host.foo IF-MIB::ifType
[07-Mar-2007 14:19:26] <Zak_P> but when ever i gather configuration i get a time out
[07-Mar-2007 14:19:56] <Zak_P> client host.foo timeout
[07-Mar-2007 14:20:31] <chet> Is Zenoss also using v1 and the public community?
[07-Mar-2007 14:20:53] <Zak_P> yes i have 8 switches
[07-Mar-2007 14:20:56] <Zak_P> 4 of them work
[07-Mar-2007 14:20:59] <Zak_P> and 4 of them dont
[07-Mar-2007 14:21:12] <Zak_P> 2 of them are edge routers
[07-Mar-2007 14:21:36] <Zak_P> the 4 that work are distribution switches
[07-Mar-2007 14:21:45] <Zak_P> and the 4 that do not are aggregate switches
[07-Mar-2007 14:21:46] <chet> Do the management IPs in Zenoss match the IPs you're polling from the command line?
[07-Mar-2007 14:21:51] <Zak_P> yes
[07-Mar-2007 14:22:27] <Zak_P> I also have cacti set up on the same machine (currently not polling) and it can gather data from all 8 switches
[07-Mar-2007 14:22:39] <Zak_P> so i am not sure why zenoss cant
[07-Mar-2007 14:24:02] <chet> It does sound strange. Have you watched in tcpdump/wireshark to see what packets are being sent/received to these systems?
[07-Mar-2007 14:24:20] <Zak_P> no, i have not set up a packet capture yet
[07-Mar-2007 14:24:41] <chet> It might also help to run a "zenmodeler run -v 10 -d your.aggr.switch"
[07-Mar-2007 14:26:14] <chet> If SNMP packets are flying back and forth during the modeling you might want to increase the zSnmpTimeout or lower the zMaxOIDPerRequest.
[07-Mar-2007 14:27:41] <Zak_P> what would be a good number for zMaxOIDPerRequest
[07-Mar-2007 14:27:43] <Zak_P> it is 40 now
[07-Mar-2007 14:28:04] <chet> 40 is normally a good number. I've honestly only heard of problems on older PIX.
[07-Mar-2007 14:28:19] <Zak_P> ok
[07-Mar-2007 14:28:31] <chet> Something as smoking as a 6506 really shouldn't be a problem.
[07-Mar-2007 14:29:40] <Zak_P> heh works perfectly on the 7500 series
[07-Mar-2007 14:29:43] <Zak_P> ;/
[07-Mar-2007 14:31:09] <chet> Cisco stuff usually works very well with Zenoss.. I have hundreds of EOL devices being monitored and haven't run into a snag yet.
[07-Mar-2007 14:31:31] <Zak_P> it works so perfect for the switches
[07-Mar-2007 14:31:35] <Zak_P> just hacing issues on the routers
[07-Mar-2007 14:31:41] <Zak_P> *having
[07-Mar-2007 14:32:14] <chet> v2c works from the command line too, right? If so, you might want to use it in Zenoss.
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[07-Mar-2007 14:32:38] <Zak_P> yeah
[07-Mar-2007 14:32:41] <Zak_P> i can try to change it
[07-Mar-2007 14:34:15] <Zak_P> http://pastebin.ca/385288
[07-Mar-2007 14:34:15] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - Miscellany - post number 385288 (at pastebin.ca)
[07-Mar-2007 14:34:15] <Zak_P> this is the debug that i see
[07-Mar-2007 14:35:02] <Zak_P> also a time out on v2c
[07-Mar-2007 14:35:14] <Zak_P> shoiuld i not have posted that link?
[07-Mar-2007 14:38:51] <jp10558> Anyone know why with a SL4 (slightly modified RHEL4) box I'd get OID 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.4.14.0 is bad messages when I specify it is /server/linux/redhat?
[07-Mar-2007 14:39:39] <Zak_P> here is the debug i get when i do a zenperfsnmp
[07-Mar-2007 14:39:48] <Zak_P> http://pastebin.ca/385296
[07-Mar-2007 14:39:48] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - Stuff - post number 385296 (at pastebin.ca)
[07-Mar-2007 14:40:39] <Zak_P> LOL it is not working because the device cant be pinged
[07-Mar-2007 14:41:11] <Zak_P> if the device cant be pinged then it looks like zenoss wont poll it
[07-Mar-2007 14:41:19] <Zak_P> the switches are pingable
[07-Mar-2007 14:41:27] <Zak_P> but the routers are not
[07-Mar-2007 14:45:02] <Zak_P> DOH!
[07-Mar-2007 14:45:08] <Zak_P> sorry to waste your time
[07-Mar-2007 14:45:20] <Zak_P> i think that once i allow ICMP it will work
[07-Mar-2007 14:45:36] <chet> No waste.. I didn't realize ICMP reachability was required.
[07-Mar-2007 14:47:27] <Zak_P> it looks to me like it is that is the only difference between them
[07-Mar-2007 14:47:51] <Zak_P> it says it in the debug
[07-Mar-2007 14:47:51] <Zak_P> DEBUG:zen.zenperfsnmp:getting device ping issues INFO:zen.zenperfsnmp:Unresponsive devices: [['host.foo', 1, 73]] INFO:zen.zenperfsnmp:collected 0 of 0 devices in 0.00
[07-Mar-2007 14:48:42] <chet> jp10558: Is that the only bad OID, or are there others too?
[07-Mar-2007 14:49:53] <jp10558> There are others
[07-Mar-2007 14:50:05] <jp10558> basically, I get that error for every device but the virtual host
[07-Mar-2007 14:50:22] <jp10558> I've tried Linux, WindowsXP with informant, VMS, Cisco...
[07-Mar-2007 14:50:38] <jp10558> they all show some data, but all give various bad OID errors
[07-Mar-2007 14:50:47] <jp10558> this is on the VWMare Appliance
[07-Mar-2007 14:52:59] <chet> jp10558: I would guess that the systems you are trying to monitor have restrictions in their snmpd.conf files.
[07-Mar-2007 14:53:17] <chet> jp10558: You should allow the zenoss server full access to the MIB.
[07-Mar-2007 14:54:07] <jp10558> Not clear how I would do this?
[07-Mar-2007 14:54:09] <chet> You could test this by backing up your snmpd.conf file on one of the target systems and creating a new one that has only the line "rocommunity public" in it then restarting the snmpd service.
[07-Mar-2007 14:54:26] <chet> Then go to the manage tab of the device and re-collect its configuration.
[07-Mar-2007 14:54:43] <chet> Move those bad OID events into history and then wait to see if they come back.
[07-Mar-2007 14:55:33] <jp10558> where would the snmpd.conf file be on Windows XP with informant?
[07-Mar-2007 14:56:23] <chet> jp10558: I thought you said this was a SL4 system.
[07-Mar-2007 14:56:37] <jp10558> I tried with several systems
[07-Mar-2007 14:56:56] <jp10558> I can edit configs on Windows systems
[07-Mar-2007 14:56:58] <chet> The OID you mentioned is only applicable to *nix systems.
[07-Mar-2007 14:57:16] <jp10558> right, the point I was making is all of them give similar errors
[07-Mar-2007 14:58:03] <chet> Would you give me an example of one of the errors you're experiencing with the Windows XP system?
[07-Mar-2007 14:58:05] <jp10558> On windows I get errors like 1.3.6.1.4.1.9600.1.1.2.10.0 is bad
[07-Mar-2007 14:59:02] <chet> thanks.
[07-Mar-2007 14:59:15] <chet> Did you restart the SNMP service on that system after installing the Informant extension?
[07-Mar-2007 14:59:47] <jp10558> I don't remember, but I'll restart it now - do I understand that nothing will come from windows hosts without informant?
[07-Mar-2007 15:00:34] <chet> I think that the device will still be modeled, you just won't get any graphs. I highly recommend installing informant.
[07-Mar-2007 15:00:48] <jp10558> right, I'm trying to get graphs
[07-Mar-2007 15:01:17] <jp10558> So, linux would be permissions set in snmpd.conf as the reason I can't see anything on the graphs?
[07-Mar-2007 15:01:47] <chet> I think so. That particular OID is definitely available on SL4 systems.
[07-Mar-2007 15:02:07] <jp10558> Do I need to find MIBs for things?
[07-Mar-2007 15:02:19] <chet> nope
[07-Mar-2007 15:03:14] <jp10558> I've got one question - maybe you know. Is Zenoss something that could replace HP Top Tools? Does it provide any real-time info like TopTools did if requested?
[07-Mar-2007 15:03:14] <chet> The only thing zenoss uses them for is to map snmp traps to their names. They're not necessary in the least, and zenoss comes with most of the common ones pre-installed.
[07-Mar-2007 15:04:30] <chet> I'm not familiar with TopTools. What do you mean by real-time info?
[07-Mar-2007 15:05:17] <jp10558> In TopTools, we could input/select a machine - say PC100 or whatever, and request it tell us the current memory use and CPU use
[07-Mar-2007 15:05:21] <chet> All of the data displayed by zenoss will be delayed anywhere from 0-5 minutes since it only polls every 5 minutes.
[07-Mar-2007 15:06:33] <chet> There is a mechanism in zenoss to run user-specified commands on the target system. You could set one up to run a "top" command on the remote system and show you the results. This would be real-time.
[07-Mar-2007 15:08:45] <jp10558> Zenoss also for some reason IDs WinXP SP2 as Windows 2000 version 5.1
[07-Mar-2007 15:13:17] <chet> Believe it or not, this is what Windows XP reports itself as through SNMP.
[07-Mar-2007 15:13:31] <jp10558> oh
[07-Mar-2007 15:14:02] <jp10558> do you know where snmpd.conf normally is on RH based linuxes?
[07-Mar-2007 15:14:15] <chet> In /etc/snmp
[07-Mar-2007 15:16:14] <jp10558> would a trapcommunity and trapsink be what I should tell Zenoss to connect as?
[07-Mar-2007 15:16:24] <jp10558> otherwise it looks like read access is there for public ...
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[07-Mar-2007 15:27:24] <PerlStalker> Does 1.1 support ZenPacks?
[07-Mar-2007 15:38:30] <PerlStalker> Apparently not since the 'zenpack' tool doesn't exit
[07-Mar-2007 15:43:51] <jp10558> I think it's aimed for 1.2
[07-Mar-2007 15:44:11] <PerlStalker> Ok
[07-Mar-2007 15:44:32] <PerlStalker> I try plan B. :-)
[07-Mar-2007 15:45:13] <Zak_P> chet: enabling ICMP was the solution
[07-Mar-2007 15:45:21] <chet> nice.
[07-Mar-2007 15:45:24] <jp10558> So, I restarted SNMP service on WinXP, I waited some time
[07-Mar-2007 15:45:32] <jp10558> still no graphs... nothing
[07-Mar-2007 15:46:19] <jp10558> Counts for windows error went up to 12, so I guess it got the error again
[07-Mar-2007 15:46:49] <jp10558> chet: any other ideas?
[07-Mar-2007 15:47:53] <jp10558> This wouldn't be a problem with NAT would it?
[07-Mar-2007 15:48:24] <chet> Any problem caused by NAT should create a totally different error.
[07-Mar-2007 15:48:38] <chet> Move those events into history to be sure that you're really still getting new ones.
[07-Mar-2007 15:48:42] <chet> Restart zenperfsnmp
[07-Mar-2007 15:49:46] <chet> I've never monitored a Windows XP system, so I suppose it's possible that they don't have that OID. Can anyone else here comment on that?
[07-Mar-2007 15:50:25] <chet> Is anyone on here monitoring a Windows XP SP2 system with SNMP-Informant installed?
[07-Mar-2007 15:50:35] <jp10558> Ok, so what I got now was:
[07-Mar-2007 15:50:58] <jp10558> 2007-03-07 15:45:42 WARNING zen.zenperfsnmp: Error collecting data on __, recollecting
[07-Mar-2007 15:51:15] <jp10558> that was repeated for 4 machines
[07-Mar-2007 15:51:34] <jp10558> only one was Windows
[07-Mar-2007 15:52:28] <jp10558> Then for each, there were several different OID is bad errors, one for each graph there was supposed to be
[07-Mar-2007 15:53:23] <chet> Are you able to poll these OIDs from the command line?
[07-Mar-2007 15:53:53] <jp10558> no idea - how do I do that?
[07-Mar-2007 15:56:22] <chet> snmpget -v1 -c yourcommunity yourhost .theOID
[07-Mar-2007 15:58:09] <jp10558> apparently not - I get an error there too - no such variable name in this MIB
[07-Mar-2007 15:58:29] <jp10558> so I need to find a different MIB then? Or get a different OID?
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[07-Mar-2007 16:20:23] <Rainhead> hi, all
[07-Mar-2007 16:21:13] <Rainhead> on a new install, when I run $ZENHOME/bin/zenping start, I get: ImportError: No module named ZenEvents.ZenEventClasses
[07-Mar-2007 16:21:31] <Rainhead> $PYTHONPATH is set to $ZENHOME/lib/python
[07-Mar-2007 16:32:39] <chet> Rainhead: It sounds like something is wrong with your environment. Are you doing this as the zenoss user?
[07-Mar-2007 16:35:41] <Rainhead> yes
[07-Mar-2007 16:38:25] <Rainhead> also, I had a problem with the install script assuming that python/site-packages would be under $ZENHOME/lib, which was wrong in my case
[07-Mar-2007 16:38:45] <Rainhead> specifically, when it was trying to move rrdtoolmodule.so
[07-Mar-2007 16:39:23] <Rainhead> I removed lib and lib64, remade lib64, and made lib a symlink to lib64, and it worked
[07-Mar-2007 16:40:11] <Rainhead> that is, a new install worked
[07-Mar-2007 16:41:17] <Rainhead> also, as someone complained of before, INSTALL.txt tells you to 'configure the username and password for zenperfsnmp', but I can't find anything that describes the format of that file
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[07-Mar-2007 17:06:41] <Rainhead> output from zenping run, whith a dump of sys.path, is here: http://pastie.caboo.se/45453
[07-Mar-2007 17:06:41] <adytum-bot> Title: #45453 - Pastie (at pastie.caboo.se)
[07-Mar-2007 17:07:36] <Rainhead> I'll probably try zenoss again when it's had some more time to mature
[07-Mar-2007 17:07:52] <Rainhead> and perhaps become more standardized
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[07-Mar-2007 17:38:25] <oubiwann> Rainhead: thanks for the input... passing this on to the rest of the developers now
[07-Mar-2007 17:40:21] <oubiwann> doh. guess he left already
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[07-Mar-2007 18:28:29] <Rainhead> ok, I've tracked down the problem
[07-Mar-2007 18:28:48] <Rainhead> it's looking in lib/python/Products, but the modules it wants are in ~/Products
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[07-Mar-2007 18:35:34] <Rainhead> I ran this and everything's peachy now:
[07-Mar-2007 18:35:55] <Rainhead> cd lib/python/Products; for i in ~/Products/*(/); do ln -s $i; done
[07-Mar-2007 18:36:06] <Rainhead> so's y'all know
[07-Mar-2007 18:36:20] <Rainhead> case'n ye wake up some day
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[07-Mar-2007 19:10:13] <oubiwann> man, I wish Rainhead would quit disappearing... sounds like there's something seriously wrong with his environment or install...
[07-Mar-2007 19:10:35] <oubiwann> what he did can lead to badness
[07-Mar-2007 19:10:49] * oubiwann wanders off to get some food
[07-Mar-2007 19:18:01] <Snake-Eyes> what i would like to know is why ssh login for zenoss fails, its seems zenoss/twisted sends a malformed ssh packet during nego.
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[07-Mar-2007 19:51:06] <Snake-Eyes> does the whole command over ssh work for any one when a password is used and not blank passphrase key
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[08-Mar-2007 09:08:26] <jp10558> I'm trying again to get SNMP Informant on Windows XP SP2 to work with the graphing in Zenoss VMWare Appliance
[08-Mar-2007 09:09:10] <jp10558> It seems like if I put the device into the /Server/Windows where it says requires informant, it should "just work" right?
[08-Mar-2007 09:09:33] <jp10558> I've restarted the SNMP service in windows... but I still don't get any graphs
[08-Mar-2007 09:09:46] <jp10558> Do I need to import some MIBS, and if so - how should I do that in the Appliance?
[08-Mar-2007 09:12:36] <chet> jp10558: I'm loading SNMP on my XP SP2 laptop to see if I can give you a straight answer on this
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[08-Mar-2007 10:55:47] <brozow> *chirp* *chirp*
[08-Mar-2007 10:56:04] <chet> Slow morning, eh brozow?
[08-Mar-2007 10:56:15] <brozow> heh... sure seems that way
[08-Mar-2007 10:58:20] <chet> We must have too many question answerers and not enough question askerers.
[08-Mar-2007 10:58:43] <brozow> yeah could be..though I know some projects use mailing lists over irc...
[08-Mar-2007 10:58:50] <brozow> I'm just better at irc than email
[08-Mar-2007 10:59:11] <chet> True.. I like the instant gratification of irc..
[08-Mar-2007 10:59:18] <brozow> yeah me too
[08-Mar-2007 10:59:26] <brozow> plus you get to know the people better
[08-Mar-2007 11:00:17] <chet> At least mailing lists tend to leave a better record of solutions.
[08-Mar-2007 11:00:25] <brozow> that's definitely true
[08-Mar-2007 11:00:30] <brozow> hard to google irc
[08-Mar-2007 11:00:40] <chet> speaking of which.. the weirdest thing happened to me yesterday.
[08-Mar-2007 11:00:47] <brozow> really?
[08-Mar-2007 11:00:56] <creiht> brozow: !!!!!!
[08-Mar-2007 11:01:00] <creiht> :)
[08-Mar-2007 11:01:05] <brozow> hey creiht
[08-Mar-2007 11:01:08] <brozow> hows it going?
[08-Mar-2007 11:01:17] <chet> I was having a conversation with someone in this very channel, and about 30 seconds after I typed a specific OID I did a google search for it. It actually showed the IRC log.
[08-Mar-2007 11:01:20] <creiht> hehe... You really don't want to know :)
[08-Mar-2007 11:01:22] <chet> That's some fast indexing..
[08-Mar-2007 11:01:29] <brozow> whoa! that's scary
[08-Mar-2007 11:01:39] <creiht> brozow: But I might be calling you guys soon
[08-Mar-2007 11:01:40] <brozow> better watch what i say
[08-Mar-2007 11:01:55] <creiht> brozow: So what brings you over here :)
[08-Mar-2007 11:01:56] <brozow> creiht: we'd love to hear from ya!
[08-Mar-2007 11:02:19] <brozow> just checking it out... I keep hearing about zenoss but don't know much about it
[08-Mar-2007 11:02:31] <creiht> cool
[08-Mar-2007 11:02:44] <brozow> you must be using creiht you're a python guy
[08-Mar-2007 11:02:55] <creiht> haha
[08-Mar-2007 11:03:06] <creiht> I'm using it to monitor our internal production servers
[08-Mar-2007 11:03:11] <brozow> chet: do yo use zenoss?
[08-Mar-2007 11:03:31] <creiht> brozow: I hope you will still be my friend :)
[08-Mar-2007 11:03:43] <chet> yeah, but it's only mirroring our existing Nagios at the moment.
[08-Mar-2007 11:03:57] <brozow> ok...
[08-Mar-2007 11:04:07] <brozow> yeah creiht I'll still like ya
[08-Mar-2007 11:04:34] <brozow> chet: btw.. where did you see that index?
[08-Mar-2007 11:05:48] <chet> http://www2.adytum.us/adytum-irclogs/%23zenoss@freenode.log
[08-Mar-2007 11:06:56] <brozow> adytum... never heard of that
[08-Mar-2007 11:07:22] <creiht> brozow: It's one of the dev's consulting companies
[08-Mar-2007 11:07:34] <brozow> ah I see
[08-Mar-2007 11:08:04] <brozow> I just looked and they only had zenoss logs that's why I was wondering
[08-Mar-2007 11:09:37] <creiht> hopes there is no incriminating evidence in those logs :)
[08-Mar-2007 11:09:46] <brozow> hehe
[08-Mar-2007 11:10:36] <chet> I seem to remember calling all of the developers python loving perl haters at some point.
[08-Mar-2007 11:10:39] * brozow searches for creith in the logs...
[08-Mar-2007 11:10:57] <creiht> uh oh
[08-Mar-2007 11:11:13] <PerlStalker> This could be fun
[08-Mar-2007 11:12:04] <chet> I don't understand what it is about python that makes you hate perl..
[08-Mar-2007 11:12:33] <creiht> chet: Well part of it is that you can come back to code a week later and still understand what you wrote :)
[08-Mar-2007 11:13:03] <creiht> But let's not turn this into a programming language advocacy rant :)
[08-Mar-2007 11:13:16] <creiht> In reality Python just fits how I think better
[08-Mar-2007 11:13:40] <chet> I love and hate all languages equally.
[08-Mar-2007 11:13:51] <creiht> I can imagine that it is similar for other languages like Perl and Ruby
[08-Mar-2007 11:14:21] <PerlStalker> Alright. This lack of documentation is really starting to get to me.
[08-Mar-2007 11:15:49] <PerlStalker> I'm trying to hack out this freaking data collector and it's like groping through a black room with big wholes in the floor and there are snakes everywhere.
[08-Mar-2007 11:17:00] <chet> I feel your pain, PerlStalker. There are a bunch of data collectors I wanted to build that include model updates, but it seems like a waste of my time to learn the current model if these ZenPacks are going to change everything soon.
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[08-Mar-2007 11:17:52] <creiht> PerlStalker: I agree with chet... I think they haven't documented it much yet, because they really want everyone to use ZenPacks for those types of things
[08-Mar-2007 11:18:32] <chet> Which makes sense because otherwise your code will be completely un-upgradeable.
[08-Mar-2007 11:19:09] <chet> As fast as Zenoss is moving at the moment, being able to upgrade with minimal hassle is very important.
[08-Mar-2007 11:19:10] <PerlStalker> I'd love to use ZenPacks
[08-Mar-2007 11:21:09] <b52laptop> anyone know a consultant (freelance) who work in deploying/consulting stuff arounf zenoss a part from zenoss inc ?
[08-Mar-2007 11:21:40] <creiht> b52laptop: I had heard that they were working on some partnerships for that
[08-Mar-2007 11:21:50] <creiht> But not sure what that has come to yet
[08-Mar-2007 11:22:07] <b52laptop> hm ok
[08-Mar-2007 11:22:33] <creiht> There was one guy that had been on the logs a bit, but I think he was from the UK
[08-Mar-2007 11:23:54] <b52laptop> in fact , i am interested in an intern (non paid and remote one) around zenoss stuff , so the location doesn't matter ....
[08-Mar-2007 11:24:21] <b52laptop> creiht, what the guy post on the mailling list about ?
[08-Mar-2007 11:25:28] <creiht> b52laptop: Oh sorry he was on IRC... and it seemed like he worked for some cosulting company that was partnering with Zenoss
[08-Mar-2007 11:25:57] <b52laptop> creiht, ah ok
[08-Mar-2007 11:32:27] <PerlStalker> So, any idea on when a release supporting zenpacks is due?
[08-Mar-2007 11:34:03] <chet> It's ticket is currently a blocker for the 1.2 release..
[08-Mar-2007 11:34:50] <chet> At the rate they've been making releases my WAG would put it somewhere around 2-3 weeks.
[08-Mar-2007 11:35:37] <PerlStalker> I see
[08-Mar-2007 11:47:30] <chet> Unfortunately I see nothing in the trunk related to zenpacks.
[08-Mar-2007 12:15:12] <PerlStalker> Great
[08-Mar-2007 12:15:36] <PerlStalker> Well, I hold off on getting performance graphs on the radios for now.
[08-Mar-2007 12:15:45] <PerlStalker> JFF is taking care of that currently
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[08-Mar-2007 16:21:58] <chet> I just upgraded to trunk and am getting the following failure in zenperfsnmp.log
[08-Mar-2007 16:22:00] <chet> Failure: exceptions.ValueError: unpack tuple of wrong size
[08-Mar-2007 16:22:11] <chet> Anyone know what this might be? the zenmigrate ran successfully.
[08-Mar-2007 16:22:20] <chet> It does cause zenperfsnmp to terminate.
[08-Mar-2007 16:22:41] <monrad> i have seen that too
[08-Mar-2007 16:22:52] <monrad> i guess its the price of running trunk :)
[08-Mar-2007 16:23:10] <chet> yup
[08-Mar-2007 16:24:27] <monrad> i guess its something with the new pickle stuff
[08-Mar-2007 16:28:13] <PerlStalker> I don't want a pickle
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[08-Mar-2007 18:49:49] <Snake-Eyes> hmm looks like every ones gone to bed
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[08-Mar-2007 20:22:13] <chet> Does anyone know anything about the pynetsnmp module? The trunk code optionally calls it, but a google actually returns no results.
[08-Mar-2007 21:17:03] <Snake-Eyes> nope
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[09-Mar-2007 03:23:53] <Snake-Eyes> any one know how often zenoss log's into into a box via ssh and runs the plugins ?
[09-Mar-2007 03:26:10] <Snake-Eyes> zCommandCycleTime ?
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[09-Mar-2007 09:09:40] <fritz> with the appliance the collector process gets killed when i try to setup a plugin as explained in the manual
[09-Mar-2007 09:09:54] <fritz> gets terminated because mem+swap is full
[09-Mar-2007 09:13:33] <fritz> hmm sucsesfull authenthication makes it not bomb out
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[09-Mar-2007 10:20:14] <fritz> hmm i have ssh working, followed the steps in the admin guide, zenplugin.py io works, added a ssIORawReceived to the perfconf
[09-Mar-2007 10:20:20] <fritz> but it's not filling the data source
[09-Mar-2007 10:21:06] <fritz> anyone know what i missed?
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[09-Mar-2007 10:23:53] <aarontdi> anyone available for a quick question?
[09-Mar-2007 10:24:49] <fritz> i'm around
[09-Mar-2007 10:25:08] <fritz> looking for an answer myself too, heh, but channels kinda quiet
[09-Mar-2007 10:25:25] <aarontdi> seems that way
[09-Mar-2007 10:25:39] <aarontdi> I'm getting this long, awful stack trace when I try to click on "Manage" anywhere
[09-Mar-2007 10:25:51] <fritz> pastebin it?
[09-Mar-2007 10:26:13] <aarontdi> its pretty long
[09-Mar-2007 10:26:24] <aarontdi> heres what seemst o be the most significant portion
[09-Mar-2007 10:26:25] <aarontdi> URL: file:ZenModel/skins/zenmodel/userCommandsMacros.pt
[09-Mar-2007 10:26:25] <aarontdi> Line 5, Column 0
[09-Mar-2007 10:26:25] <aarontdi> Expression: standard:'here/userCommands/objectValuesAll'
[09-Mar-2007 10:26:26] <aarontdi> Names:
[09-Mar-2007 10:26:46] <fritz> dunno, reinstall and try agian?
[09-Mar-2007 10:26:53] <aarontdi> done that
[09-Mar-2007 10:27:01] <fritz> wich version?
[09-Mar-2007 10:27:05] <aarontdi> 1.1.1
[09-Mar-2007 10:27:15] <fritz> hmm, havent had an issue
[09-Mar-2007 10:27:33] <aarontdi> it was an upgrade from 1.0 so I'm wondering if that is related
[09-Mar-2007 10:27:40] <aarontdi> I've made sure that the migration script ran though
[09-Mar-2007 10:27:51] <fritz> did you upgrade or remove the old and install the new
[09-Mar-2007 10:27:58] <aarontdi> upgrade
[09-Mar-2007 10:29:18] <fritz> try a fresh install
[09-Mar-2007 10:29:53] <aarontdi> if I remove the package will I lost all of my hosts and so forth or is that all in mysql?
[09-Mar-2007 10:30:13] <aarontdi> lose, rather
[09-Mar-2007 10:30:43] <fritz> yeah
[09-Mar-2007 10:30:47] <fritz> back it up
[09-Mar-2007 10:31:14] <fritz> or take a fresh install tree and do a diff
[09-Mar-2007 10:31:21] <fritz> see whats/wrong missing
[09-Mar-2007 10:31:29] <aarontdi> ok
[09-Mar-2007 10:36:18] <aarontdi> wow. even ripping it out and reinstalling it didn't fix this.
[09-Mar-2007 10:41:25] <chet> aarontdi: Part of the stack trace looks familiar.. could you pastebin the whole thing?
[09-Mar-2007 10:43:04] <aarontdi> just paste the whole thing in the channel?
[09-Mar-2007 10:43:17] <aarontdi> this error seems to be known
[09-Mar-2007 10:43:19] <aarontdi> An error was encountered while publishing this resource. Please use the form below to submit details of this error to Zenoss, Inc.
[09-Mar-2007 10:43:22] <aarontdi> Type: KeyError
[09-Mar-2007 10:43:24] <aarontdi> Value: 'userCommands'
[09-Mar-2007 10:43:51] <aarontdi> I've rerun the zenmigrate script per some threads I read and the problem remains
[09-Mar-2007 10:43:59] <chet> Actually.. try this..
[09-Mar-2007 10:44:08] <chet> zenmigrate run -v 10 --step=UserCommands --commit
[09-Mar-2007 10:44:21] <aarontdi> ok, one moment
[09-Mar-2007 10:45:13] <aarontdi> its thinking real hard
[09-Mar-2007 10:45:19] <aarontdi> DEBUG:zen.migrate:Level None, steps = ['UserCommands']
[09-Mar-2007 10:45:19] <aarontdi> INFO:zen.migrate:Database going to version Zenoss 1.1.0
[09-Mar-2007 10:45:20] <aarontdi> INFO:zen.migrate:Installing UserCommands
[09-Mar-2007 10:45:37] <chet> good... it takes a while.
[09-Mar-2007 10:45:47] <aarontdi> chet, thank you
[09-Mar-2007 10:46:22] <aarontdi> ouch, it ended in an error
[09-Mar-2007 10:46:35] <chet> btw, when people talk about pastebin, they mean go to a site like pastebin.com, paste your data in there and then paste the generated link to the channel.
[09-Mar-2007 10:46:43] <aarontdi> ahhh
[09-Mar-2007 10:46:47] <aarontdi> ok
[09-Mar-2007 10:48:23] <chet> fritz: Have you tried: zencommand run -v 10 -d your.device
[09-Mar-2007 10:48:36] <chet> Often the verbose output can give you a good idea what's going on.
[09-Mar-2007 10:48:56] <aarontdi> working on that pastebin. pastebin.com is moving a bit slowly for some reason
[09-Mar-2007 10:49:30] <chet> You could use pastebin.mozilla.com instead.
[09-Mar-2007 10:49:33] <chet> It's normally fast.
[09-Mar-2007 10:50:21] <aarontdi> ok
[09-Mar-2007 10:51:42] <aarontdi> http://pastebin.ca/387700
[09-Mar-2007 10:51:42] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - Aaron / Zenoss - post number 387700 (at pastebin.ca)
[09-Mar-2007 10:52:18] <fritz> i'll tryt that chet thanx
[09-Mar-2007 10:54:19] <chet> aarontdi: ok, that's no big deal. Database conflict errors are usually transient. Try shutting down zenoss all together, then running zeoctl start to start the ZODB.
[09-Mar-2007 10:54:27] <chet> Then run that migrate command I gave you again.
[09-Mar-2007 10