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[01-Jun-2007 11:03:47] <_jellydonut_> ello world
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[01-Jun-2007 12:21:27] <hspcd> hi folks
[01-Jun-2007 12:26:35] <bendsu> hellos
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[01-Jun-2007 12:29:09] <hspcd> is it possible to use Zenoss to check a URL that requires login and then run a database query? We have a web application that is based on LAMP and this functionality from Zenoss would be huge, especially if the response times can be graphed.
[01-Jun-2007 12:30:28] <davetoo> nagios-format plugin
[01-Jun-2007 12:30:50] <hspcd> meaning?
[01-Jun-2007 12:31:23] <davetoo> Zenoss can use nagios plugins, and you can write your own tool that outputs the standard nagios-plugin format
[01-Jun-2007 12:32:28] <davetoo> so any other script (shell, perl, whatever) can be used as a DataSource in a performance template
[01-Jun-2007 12:33:44] <hspcd> so does this mean that we would be able to login over http/s and perform a db query, plus graph the response times?
[01-Jun-2007 12:35:01] <davetoo> Yes; you'd have to write a standalone tool that does the login and time measurement, and then outputs the standard one-line nagios output format
[01-Jun-2007 12:35:48] <davetoo> Search the zenoss community site for "nagios plugin"; it's also mentioned in the admin guide. You'll need to look at the Nagios Plugin Developer's stuff...
[01-Jun-2007 12:35:59] <davetoo> I don't have links handy
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[01-Jun-2007 12:36:21] <davetoo> what I *don't* know is how you'd pass authentication info into your script.
[01-Jun-2007 12:36:35] <davetoo> Haven't got that far yet, myself.
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[01-Jun-2007 13:00:52] <hspcd> we're comparing Zenoss against OpenNMS and I'm trying to get a sense of the capabilities of Zenoss
[01-Jun-2007 13:09:17] <hspcd> Is anyone else here monitoring and graphing URLs and response times?
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[02-Jun-2007 12:01:01] <davetoo> hmm
[02-Jun-2007 12:01:24] <davetoo> Is the mailing list b0rked? I've never seen a gap this long without traffic.
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[03-Jun-2007 16:43:03] <nassy> i am trying to run zenoss 1.9.7. i saw in the release notes no more sudo (uses uid). when i try: zenping start i get an error message saying zensocket needs to run as root or with suid
[03-Jun-2007 16:43:09] <nassy> i am logged in as root
[03-Jun-2007 16:53:24] <bzed> nassy: you didn;t read the release notes completely then ;)
[03-Jun-2007 16:53:48] <nassy> ok, thanks. going to check it out again
[03-Jun-2007 16:53:50] <nassy> :-)
[03-Jun-2007 16:54:16] <bzed> Special Instructions After Source Install
[03-Jun-2007 16:54:16] <bzed> =======================================================
[03-Jun-2007 16:54:16] <bzed> Builds from source will need to set the permissions on zensocket. To make this change, use the following command:
[03-Jun-2007 16:54:16] <bzed> su root -c "chown root $ZENHOME/bin/zensocket; chmod uog+rx,u+ws $ZENHOME/bin/zensocket"
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[03-Jun-2007 16:57:04] <nassy> thanks. i am using the virtual machine. does that still apply
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[03-Jun-2007 17:05:01] <nassy> i ran the above command and followed it with # zenoss start but got the same error. ls -l $ZENHOME/bin/zensocket gives -rwsr-xr-x 1 zenoss zenoss ... /home/zenoss/bin/zensocket
[03-Jun-2007 17:13:53] <davetoo> You've made id SUID-zenoss
[03-Jun-2007 17:13:57] <davetoo> which wont' help :)
[03-Jun-2007 17:14:08] <davetoo> "root" needs to be the owner of zensocket
[03-Jun-2007 17:19:37] <nassy> ah
[03-Jun-2007 17:22:34] <nassy> does the group matter. i now have rwsr-xr-x 1 root zenoss ... /home/zenoss/bin/zensocket but still get the same error
[03-Jun-2007 17:22:43] <nassy> when i type zenoss start
[03-Jun-2007 17:24:11] <nassy> let me try one more thing. looks like i lost the s bit when i made the change to owner root
[03-Jun-2007 17:26:05] <nassy> sweet works now. maybe i made a typo when i typed in the command from the special instructions that bzed posted
[03-Jun-2007 17:27:11] <nassy> i seems like a lot of the guys in this picture use macs
[03-Jun-2007 17:27:14] <nassy> http://blog.zenoss.com/category/humor/
[03-Jun-2007 17:27:21] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss Blog ���» Humor (at blog.zenoss.com)
[03-Jun-2007 17:27:46] <nassy> wonder if it makes sense to run zenoss directly on mac os x as opposed to a virtual machine
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[03-Jun-2007 18:07:51] <nassy> i don't seem to be able to add new users, alerts etc. when i look at the quick start documentation for 1.0 i see the buttons to add. is there a new way to add or am i missing something
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[03-Jun-2007 18:46:59] <davetoo> nassy which version? 1.9.x?
[03-Jun-2007 18:47:10] <nassy> 1.9.7
[03-Jun-2007 18:47:37] <davetoo> yeah, in the left-hand navigation column, Management -> Settings
[03-Jun-2007 18:47:39] <davetoo> then User tab
[03-Jun-2007 18:47:45] <nassy> yeah i tried that
[03-Jun-2007 18:48:09] <davetoo> then the little down triange ("arrow") next to the phrase "User folder"
[03-Jun-2007 18:48:27] <davetoo> They moved (hid) a lot of stuff behind that little ajax trick
[03-Jun-2007 18:48:28] <nassy> there is no add button in either firfox or safari
[03-Jun-2007 18:49:42] <davetoo> Do you have an inner window/frame that says "User Folder" with a white search box in the top border?
[03-Jun-2007 18:49:54] <davetoo> top of that inner box, that is
[03-Jun-2007 18:49:58] <nassy> yes
[03-Jun-2007 18:50:14] <davetoo> see the little triangle to the left of the phrase "User Folder"?
[03-Jun-2007 18:50:26] <nassy> :-)
[03-Jun-2007 18:50:29] <davetoo> If you click that you should get a popup
[03-Jun-2007 18:50:30] <nassy> oh my gosh
[03-Jun-2007 18:50:34] <davetoo> ok
[03-Jun-2007 18:50:35] <nassy> thats it
[03-Jun-2007 18:50:37] <nassy> thanks
[03-Jun-2007 18:51:10] <nassy> its really cool
[03-Jun-2007 18:51:10] <davetoo> It's kind of Adobe-like
[03-Jun-2007 18:51:16] <nassy> this ajax stuff
[03-Jun-2007 18:52:43] <davetoo> The problem with this Ajax stuff is cross-browser portability. Since they develop with Firefox, and I use firefox, it's great for me :)
[03-Jun-2007 18:53:58] <nassy> there are some things that don't line up quite right in safari
[03-Jun-2007 18:54:07] <nassy> looks nice in firefox though
[03-Jun-2007 18:55:35] <nassy> have you done any windows monitoring?
[03-Jun-2007 18:58:48] <davetoo> Not really
[03-Jun-2007 18:59:01] <davetoo> we've turned on SNMP on a few systems
[03-Jun-2007 18:59:07] <davetoo> but I'm really not a windows person
[03-Jun-2007 18:59:21] <davetoo> I'll have to get it figured out within a month or two
[03-Jun-2007 19:00:23] <nassy> i just don't have any luck. not even with a virtual machine
[03-Jun-2007 19:00:37] <nassy> i am getting errors no matter what i try to add
[03-Jun-2007 19:01:08] <nassy> performance monitor,
[03-Jun-2007 19:01:11] <nassy> alert
[03-Jun-2007 19:01:37] <nassy> always getting
[03-Jun-2007 19:01:40] <nassy> Type: BadRequest
[03-Jun-2007 19:01:40] <nassy> Value: ('Empty or invalid id specified', ['10.0.1.1', '10.0.1.1'])
[03-Jun-2007 19:02:11] <nassy> i can add devices manually
[03-Jun-2007 19:13:31] <nassy> hmm, when i try to run the traceroute command from the web page it says it can't find the command
[03-Jun-2007 19:14:13] <nassy> im not that familar with linux how do i install traceroute (i can only find traceroute6
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[03-Jun-2007 20:55:21] <|cyn|> hey all, i am running zenoss 1.1.1 and i want to get a report of service availability
[03-Jun-2007 20:55:40] <|cyn|> every service seems to show 100% even if it has been down for some time.
[03-Jun-2007 20:57:10] <|cyn|> does anyone know why this might be?
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[03-Jun-2007 21:21:20] <cluther_> |cyn|: Which report are you running?
[03-Jun-2007 21:22:51] <|cyn|> i am running the availability report under performance.
[03-Jun-2007 21:23:17] <|cyn|> this seems to default to 100.000% availability if it gets confused.
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[03-Jun-2007 21:51:18] <cluther_> The default state is available. So if it can't find any events matching the event class and component selected it will report 100% available.
[03-Jun-2007 21:51:30] <cluther_> What parameters are you requesting?
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[03-Jun-2007 22:00:48] <|cyn|> i am trying to check /status/ipservice for the period.
[03-Jun-2007 22:01:06] <|cyn|> actually, i just tried to upgrade the system to 1.1.2 (since this was available) and now i can't connect to the database.
[03-Jun-2007 22:03:36] <|cyn|> bugger...
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[03-Jun-2007 22:12:27] <|cyn|> ok, db problem fixed (username and password apparently), but reporting problem still there...
[03-Jun-2007 22:14:07] <cluther_> |cyn|: Can you find any /status/ipservice events during the defined time period >= error?
[03-Jun-2007 22:14:16] <|cyn|> If i down a service on a host, then enter this hostname under device, the service name under component and /status/ipservice under event class, it gives me 100% even though this service has been downed for at least an hour a couple of times today.
[03-Jun-2007 22:14:39] <cluther_> Do you get an event that it is down? Is the service set to be monitored?
[03-Jun-2007 22:14:57] <cluther_> The availability report is completely driven from events. Without an event it knows nothing.
[03-Jun-2007 22:15:48] <|cyn|> yeah, i get an event on the service.
[03-Jun-2007 22:16:01] <|cyn|> well, technically i get two. one that it is down, and one when it comes back up.
[03-Jun-2007 22:16:07] <cluther_> Ah, good. The event class on the event is set to /Status/IPService?
[03-Jun-2007 22:16:16] <|cyn|> good question.
[03-Jun-2007 22:16:24] <|cyn|> i will check that in the history...
[03-Jun-2007 22:16:28] <cluther_> Cool.. check the component too.
[03-Jun-2007 22:16:39] <|cyn|> yes it is...
[03-Jun-2007 22:16:53] <|cyn|> under history, i show a couple of events for /status/ipservice
[03-Jun-2007 22:17:05] <|cyn|> relating to that component (postgresql)
[03-Jun-2007 22:19:56] <cluther_> hmm.. that sounds like it should be working.
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[03-Jun-2007 22:22:21] <|cyn|> that's what i thought...
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[04-Jun-2007 01:31:23] <davetoo> ohhhhhhhh
[04-Jun-2007 01:31:24] <davetoo> :)
[04-Jun-2007 01:31:46] <davetoo> zFileSystemMapIgnoreTypes
[04-Jun-2007 01:31:46] <davetoo> lines
[04-Jun-2007 01:31:46] <davetoo> DO NOT USE
[04-Jun-2007 01:31:48] <davetoo> no wonder
[04-Jun-2007 01:32:14] <davetoo> that's unfortunate; I'd really like to ignore NFS mounts
[04-Jun-2007 01:35:29] <davetoo> but I understand why it says that; dunno yet if it's Linux/RedHat or NetSNMP but it's reporting NFS and local disks as the same type
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[04-Jun-2007 07:00:17] <knutin> Hi! I'm trying to install Zenoss on Mac Os 10.4. install.sh tells me I need a MySQL development environment installed. I have installed mysql-dev and mysql_config is on my path(http://lists.zenoss.org/pipermail/zenoss-users/2006/000672.html). What is the next step to solve this?
[04-Jun-2007 07:02:18] <nassy> knutin: i don't now but i too hope to install on mac os x. is it difficult overall to install
[04-Jun-2007 07:04:15] <knutin> Oh, I see the problem. In build-functions.sh, zenoss expects mysql_config --include to actually work, but with the mysql_config I have installed that returns a list of arguments mysql_config will take
[04-Jun-2007 07:05:29] <knutin> Any developers active?
[04-Jun-2007 07:06:52] <nassy> knutin: how did you install ms sql (macports?)
[04-Jun-2007 07:07:12] <knutin> I installed mYsql with fink
[04-Jun-2007 07:07:17] <knutin> :)
[04-Jun-2007 07:07:53] <knutin> oh, it's 4.1.10
[04-Jun-2007 07:07:59] <knutin> and zenoss needs 5, right?
[04-Jun-2007 07:09:38] <knutin> the packages provided by mysql.com doesn't work, the image is corrupt in some way.
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[04-Jun-2007 07:16:24] <nassy> yeah it needs 5
[04-Jun-2007 07:16:45] <nassy> think i saw someting about that in the faq
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[04-Jun-2007 13:04:10] <scrip> 456295141.3
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[04-Jun-2007 14:40:51] <davetoo> So does anybody know what the purpose of the OsProcess RRDTemplate is?
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[04-Jun-2007 17:07:20] <bob_> Hi
[04-Jun-2007 17:08:47] <bob_> I'm having a bit of a problem with the ZenOSS interfaces, anyone able to help?
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[04-Jun-2007 18:34:41] <andrew_p> i think this a known problem with nagios-plugins and i have resolved it two times in the past, but i can't recall how :)
[04-Jun-2007 18:34:47] <andrew_p> configuring build/nagios-plugins-1.4.5/Makefile
[04-Jun-2007 18:34:47] <andrew_p> gmake: *** [build/nagios-plugins-1.4.5/Makefile] Error 77
[04-Jun-2007 18:34:47] <andrew_p> ...
[04-Jun-2007 18:34:47] <andrew_p> in config.log: configure:2640: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[04-Jun-2007 18:49:32] <bzed> andrew_p: put the config.log form the nagios plugins in a pastebin or on some webspace
[04-Jun-2007 18:52:17] <andrew_p> bzed: http://rafb.net/p/gw7Dg480.html
[04-Jun-2007 18:52:24] <adytum-bot> Title: Nopaste - No description (at rafb.net)
[04-Jun-2007 18:55:00] <bzed> do you need to install a libc6 development package probably?
[04-Jun-2007 18:55:09] <bzed> not sure what freebsd has for that
[04-Jun-2007 18:56:58] <andrew_p> bzed: i don't think so.. i get this problem every time i install zenoss (i was evaluating different versions of the same box) and after 5-10 attempts & guesses finally get it working without installing additional ports ;) ok, i will document the solution for myself this time once i have found it
[04-Jun-2007 18:58:07] <bzed> well
[04-Jun-2007 18:58:20] <bzed> configure tries to link libld
[04-Jun-2007 18:58:28] <bzed> that's part of libc6
[04-Jun-2007 18:58:46] <bzed> not sure what freebsd usus as libc... never used it
[04-Jun-2007 18:59:04] <bzed> have a look into /lib if there's a libdl*
[04-Jun-2007 19:22:50] <andrew_p> bzed: thank you
[04-Jun-2007 19:25:49] <cluther_> andrew_p: You shouldn't need to link to libdl at all in FreeBSD.
[04-Jun-2007 19:26:02] <cluther_> Try taking -ldl off the end of the LIBS = line in the Makefile.
[04-Jun-2007 19:27:27] <bzed> there shouldn;t be a makefile, as it's created by configure
[04-Jun-2007 19:27:33] <cluther_> davetoo: Still around? The purpose of that template is to keep track of per-process values for [cpu,mem,count]
[04-Jun-2007 19:27:42] <bzed> configure should be able to figure out how to link it correcly
[04-Jun-2007 19:27:59] <cluther_> bzed: I agree, but sometimes should and does don't get along. :)
[04-Jun-2007 19:28:36] <bzed> yeah, but if it fails, there's no Makefile
[04-Jun-2007 19:28:42] <bzed> autoconf sucks :P
[04-Jun-2007 19:28:53] <cluther_> bzed: Bah.. I should go home. :)
[04-Jun-2007 19:30:12] <bzed> andrew_p: try --with-gnu-ld as option to configure
[04-Jun-2007 19:30:33] <bzed> probably it skips the check then
[04-Jun-2007 19:33:50] <andrew_p> bzed: --with-gnu-ld works, thank you. i will figure out where it needs to be added then
[04-Jun-2007 19:34:08] <bzed> try to buikd it first
[04-Jun-2007 19:34:25] <bzed> *build
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[04-Jun-2007 19:51:25] <davetoo> hi
[04-Jun-2007 19:51:38] <davetoo> (oh, he's gone)
[04-Jun-2007 19:54:02] <andrew_p> bzed: after doing configure --with-gnu-ld in nagios-plugins directory and then running build.sh zenoss was installed successfully. thank you
[04-Jun-2007 19:56:00] <bzed> fine
[04-Jun-2007 19:56:15] <bzed> if you ahve a minute, you should report that issue to the nagios developers
[04-Jun-2007 19:56:45] <andrew_p> bzed: ok, i will
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[05-Jun-2007 12:26:19] <scrip> hi, I'm using RPC::XML and getting this error: mismatched tag at line 22, column 10, byte 887 at /usr/share/perl5/RPC/XML/Client.pm line 345
[05-Jun-2007 12:26:38] <scrip> the code is:
[05-Jun-2007 12:26:44] <scrip> my $dev = RPC::XML::Client->new("$url/zport/dmd/DeviceLoader");
[05-Jun-2007 12:26:44] <scrip> my $req = RPC::XML::request->new("loadDevice",
[05-Jun-2007 12:26:44] <scrip> RPC::XML::string->new($ip),
[05-Jun-2007 12:26:44] <scrip> RPC::XML::string->new('/Network/VoIP_Endpoint')
[05-Jun-2007 12:26:44] <scrip> );
[05-Jun-2007 12:26:45] <scrip> my $resp = $dev->send_request($req);
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[05-Jun-2007 13:11:19] <MikeConigliaro> guys, is there a way to monitor remote hosts (ie: hosts behind firewalls that i cant access directly) with zenoss?
[05-Jun-2007 13:11:24] <MikeConigliaro> right now, im using nrpe to do this
[05-Jun-2007 13:11:28] <MikeConigliaro> on nagios
[05-Jun-2007 13:12:21] <MikeConigliaro> im able to monitor several hosts with one agent using custom wmi/snmp checks that are executed on the nrpe host
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[05-Jun-2007 14:06:04] <scrip> hello everyone
[05-Jun-2007 14:06:24] <scrip> I've got several hundred devices on dynamic ip addresses that I need to monitor
[05-Jun-2007 14:06:47] <scrip> I've put together a bit of a hack that reads in all the device names and ips from the system they register to and then updates zenoss
[05-Jun-2007 14:07:02] <scrip> it uses REST requests to check if the device exists and then add it or update its ip
[05-Jun-2007 14:07:06] <scrip> is there a better way to do this?
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[05-Jun-2007 14:39:53] <enots> re. btw, why community.zenoss.com is not fixed? site error about 4 days.. zenoss still in buisness? :)
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[05-Jun-2007 15:17:29] <davetoo> hi
[05-Jun-2007 15:19:48] <davetoo> cluther: I saw your response here yesterday; what I'm asking is ... the OSProcesses template seems incomplete. The DataSources contain no SNMP OIDs.
[05-Jun-2007 15:19:59] <davetoo> Is it designed to be mixed-in with the Device template?
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[05-Jun-2007 15:21:40] <cluther> Not really. It is special in that the zenprocess daemon handles it specifically. Not the zenperfsnmp daemon that handles general OID collection.
[05-Jun-2007 15:23:11] <cluther> enots: The fellow that handles that is aware of it, but he's been really wrapped up getting ready for the 2.0 release. It should be fixed this week or next.
[05-Jun-2007 15:23:36] <davetoo> ok
[05-Jun-2007 15:26:57] <davetoo> But now I'm confused about monitoring specific processes to make sure they're running, vs. getting a running count (rrd) of number of processes running.
[05-Jun-2007 15:27:25] <davetoo> In /Processes I can configure certain process names to be watched for
[05-Jun-2007 15:28:38] <cluther> ok, anytime you monitor a process it automatically applies the OSProcess template to it, thus creating the "count" data source.
[05-Jun-2007 15:29:09] <cluther> You can define that a process should be monitored or not at the global level in /Processes, then override the default behavior per device if you wish.
[05-Jun-2007 15:30:09] <davetoo> OK, so if what I really want is a count of the number of all processes of any kind running on a machine, I should add that to the Devices template or some other mix-in, I guess.
[05-Jun-2007 15:30:42] <cluther> Exactly.
[05-Jun-2007 15:33:45] <Aziraphale> anyone know why the libsmi build is b0rked when building from source?
[05-Jun-2007 15:34:16] <Aziraphale> this log message makes no sense to me:
[05-Jun-2007 15:34:17] <Aziraphale> gmake[1]: Entering directory `/home/zenoss/zenoss-1.9.7/build/libsmi-0.4.5'
[05-Jun-2007 15:34:18] <Aziraphale> cannot create PYTHON=/usr/local/bin/python2.4: No such file or directory
[05-Jun-2007 15:41:39] <Aziraphale> ah
[05-Jun-2007 15:42:05] <Aziraphale> in FreeBSD, /bin/sh is not the same as bash
[05-Jun-2007 15:42:12] <Aziraphale> stupid linuxisms
[05-Jun-2007 15:55:44] <wasabi> Hmm. In Ubuntu /bin/sh is not Bash.
[05-Jun-2007 15:55:48] <wasabi> So...
[05-Jun-2007 15:56:01] <wasabi> Hardly a linuxism. Purely a choice of default shell.
[05-Jun-2007 15:56:17] <wasabi> Oh, you're saying it's zenoss' fault. ;)
[05-Jun-2007 15:56:20] <wasabi> Got it.
[05-Jun-2007 15:57:41] <davetoo> It's RedHat's fault
[05-Jun-2007 15:57:44] <bzed> in many linux installations is /bin/sh != a link to /bin/bash.
[05-Jun-2007 15:58:01] <davetoo> vim != vi dammit! :)
[05-Jun-2007 15:58:24] <Aziraphale> heh
[05-Jun-2007 15:58:26] <bzed> if there're any bashisms in the zenoss scripts... I guess they call for a bug report
[05-Jun-2007 15:58:55] <Aziraphale> some makefiles have SHELL=/bin/sh and break
[05-Jun-2007 15:59:28] <Aziraphale> it also appears that WMI expects 'swig' to exist which isn't mentioned in the install doc
[05-Jun-2007 16:01:09] <Aziraphale> is there a linux distro that *doesn't* link sh to bash?
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[05-Jun-2007 16:04:16] <bzed> Aziraphale: I think it's the default on many distributions, but you can easily change it to a proper shell, at leaaaast in debian
[05-Jun-2007 16:08:13] <Aziraphale> bzed: nothing wrong with bash, only if something assumes that shell=bash and then breaks
[05-Jun-2007 16:09:00] <Aziraphale> it looks like all that needs changing is the way the variable is exported, haven't found where that is though
[05-Jun-2007 16:09:41] <Aziraphale> ah, looks like it finished this time
[05-Jun-2007 16:10:39] <bzed> Aziraphale: do you have an example where it failed?
[05-Jun-2007 16:11:54] <monrad> any news on a release date?
[05-Jun-2007 16:13:26] <Aziraphale> bzed: hang on, I need to run an original install again
[05-Jun-2007 16:13:40] <Aziraphale> oh, new dashbord looks nice
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[05-Jun-2007 16:17:55] <Aziraphale> ah damn, can't do it on this box
[05-Jun-2007 16:18:47] <Aziraphale> bzed: this was the log message from libsmi:
[05-Jun-2007 16:18:49] <Aziraphale> gmake[1]: Entering directory bzed `/home/zenoss/zenoss-1.9.7/build/libsmi-0.4.5' chairuou_~
[05-Jun-2007 16:19:16] <Aziraphale> 20:34cannot create PYTHON=/usr/local/bin/python2.4: No such file or directory
[05-Jun-2007 16:20:14] <bzed> hmm
[05-Jun-2007 16:20:19] <bzed> I'm wondering where the problem is there
[05-Jun-2007 16:20:39] <bzed> PYTHON=/usr/local/bin/python2.4 work well in posh
[05-Jun-2007 16:24:53] <Aziraphale> maybe it tries to export PYTHON=/usr/local/bin/python2.4 and that won't work in /bin/sh on FBSD
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[05-Jun-2007 16:30:34] <bzed> that would be... crazy
[05-Jun-2007 16:40:38] <wasabi> Aziraphale: Ubuntu does not link sh to bash
[05-Jun-2007 16:40:44] <wasabi> And that seems like a pretty large distro. :0
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[05-Jun-2007 16:54:13] <Aziraphale> wasabi: what does ubuntu use?
[05-Jun-2007 16:54:41] <wasabi> dash
[05-Jun-2007 16:54:42] <Aziraphale> bzed: slight syntax differences between the two. might be enough
[05-Jun-2007 16:54:55] <Aziraphale> hmm, never heard of that one...
[05-Jun-2007 16:55:14] <bzed> Description: The Debian Almquist Shell
[05-Jun-2007 16:55:14] <bzed> "dash" is a POSIX compliant shell that is much smaller than "bash".
[05-Jun-2007 16:55:14] <bzed> We take advantage of that by making it the shell on the installation
[05-Jun-2007 16:55:14] <bzed> root floppy, where space is at a premium.
[05-Jun-2007 16:55:23] <bzed> ubuntu is just using out good debian stuff ;)
[05-Jun-2007 16:58:18] <Aziraphale> hmm, debian uses bash by default
[05-Jun-2007 16:58:31] <bzed> no
[05-Jun-2007 16:58:45] <bzed> you're asked IF you want to use bash as /bin/sh
[05-Jun-2007 16:58:56] <bzed> if your debconf level is low enough
[05-Jun-2007 16:59:16] <Aziraphale> is that problem with pynetsnmp fixed in the trunk?
[05-Jun-2007 16:59:19] <bzed> not sure what the default is, though
[05-Jun-2007 16:59:30] <bzed> which problem?
[05-Jun-2007 16:59:54] <Aziraphale> Daemon: zenprocess starting...
[05-Jun-2007 16:59:55] <Aziraphale> Traceback (most recent call last):
[05-Jun-2007 16:59:55] <Aziraphale> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenRRD/zenprocess.py", line 34, in ?
[05-Jun-2007 16:59:55] <Aziraphale> from pynetsnmp.twistedsnmp import AgentProxy
[05-Jun-2007 16:59:55] <Aziraphale> File "usr/local/zenoss/lib/python/pynetsnmp/twistedsnmp.py", line 1, in ?
[05-Jun-2007 16:59:57] <Aziraphale> File "usr/local/zenoss/lib/python/pynetsnmp/netsnmp.py", line 19, in ?
[05-Jun-2007 17:00:00] <Aziraphale> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenRRD/__init__.py", line 325, in __getattr__
[05-Jun-2007 17:00:02] <Aziraphale> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenRRD/__init__.py", line 330, in __getitem__
[05-Jun-2007 17:00:39] <Aziraphale> saw a post that recommended deleting $ZENHOME/lib/python/pynetsnmp to fall back onto the old system
[05-Jun-2007 17:00:54] <Aziraphale> that doesn't really work either, though
[05-Jun-2007 17:02:20] <bzed> hmm
[05-Jun-2007 17:02:32] <bzed> it's at least not in the debian package of pynetsnmp
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[05-Jun-2007 18:24:25] <Aziraphale> damn
[05-Jun-2007 18:24:32] <Aziraphale> can't get this to work :(
[05-Jun-2007 18:31:22] <cluther> Aziraphale: I lost the history of this, what seems to be the problem?
[05-Jun-2007 18:32:48] <Aziraphale> cluther: oh, it's that pynetsnmp problem
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[05-Jun-2007 18:33:19] <Aziraphale> if I get rid of pynetsnmp it falls back but can't do snmpwalks,
[05-Jun-2007 18:33:53] <bzed> from pynetsnmp.twistedsnmp import AgentProxy jsut works well here
[05-Jun-2007 18:34:36] <bzed> but I'm on debian with a packaged pynetsnmp :P
[05-Jun-2007 18:35:46] <Aziraphale> I get: I get a AttributeError: Undefined symbol "netsnmp_get_version"
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[05-Jun-2007 18:46:42] <bzed> Aziraphale: which version of netsnmp are you using?
[05-Jun-2007 18:47:00] <bzed> or is there a version installed on your system somewhere else?
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[05-Jun-2007 18:59:22] <Aziraphale> bzed: yeah, there is a ports version
[05-Jun-2007 19:00:25] <bzed> same as zenoss ships?
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[05-Jun-2007 19:01:09] <Aziraphale> net-snmp-5.3.1_2
[05-Jun-2007 19:04:41] <Aziraphale> I don't see one included in externallibs...
[05-Jun-2007 19:13:20] <bzed> hmm
[05-Jun-2007 19:13:39] <bzed> there was an api change between 5.2.3 and 5.3.1
[05-Jun-2007 19:13:59] <bzed> nbut I'm using 5.3.1 and it seems to work well
[05-Jun-2007 19:20:51] <Aziraphale> sod it. back to 1.1
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[06-Jun-2007 00:17:52] <davetoo> I need to learn python faster
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[06-Jun-2007 09:36:02] <davetoo> well that didn't work so well
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[06-Jun-2007 11:38:30] <Aziraphale> ah, I see there's been a change to pynetsnmp to make it run on FreeBSD
[06-Jun-2007 11:38:39] <Aziraphale> let's test that right away...
[06-Jun-2007 11:39:34] <davetoo> oh, it didn't?
[06-Jun-2007 11:40:41] <Aziraphale> nope
[06-Jun-2007 11:42:25] <Aziraphale> "undefined symbol: netsnmp_get_version"
[06-Jun-2007 11:48:01] <davetoo> I have a tough time getting $manager to allow me to use FreeBSD at work
[06-Jun-2007 11:48:40] <Aziraphale> that client this is for, is very happy with it
[06-Jun-2007 11:50:12] <Aziraphale> others prefer linux b/c they've never heard of FreeBSD...
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[06-Jun-2007 12:04:13] <davetoo> $manager is worried because only about three out of 30 of us grok FreeBSD
[06-Jun-2007 12:17:39] <Aziraphale> I've heard that argument
[06-Jun-2007 12:17:58] <Aziraphale> any linux head can learn FreeBSD quickly enough, I ought to know :)
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[06-Jun-2007 16:06:21] <Aziraphale> and so it works :)
[06-Jun-2007 16:06:46] <andrew_p> i made a clean install of zenoss-1.1.2 and zendisc now refuses to run.. this hasn't been the case previous time when i installed it. can anybody have a look - http://pastebin.ca/545585 ?
[06-Jun-2007 16:06:53] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - andrew_p - post number 545585 (at pastebin.ca)
[06-Jun-2007 16:07:22] <andrew_p> snmpd is running on this host and i can query it just ok from command like
[06-Jun-2007 16:08:01] <Aziraphale> I've had this problem - can't remember what fixed it though
[06-Jun-2007 16:08:10] <andrew_p> hehe, ok
[06-Jun-2007 16:08:14] <andrew_p> Aziraphale: thank you
[06-Jun-2007 16:09:33] <Aziraphale> do make sure the community strings match
[06-Jun-2007 16:11:12] <andrew_p> Aziraphale: do you remember how to specify the community string for auto-discovery?
[06-Jun-2007 16:18:12] <Aziraphale> andrew_p: in Devices/zProperties (IIRC) you can set a list of community strings
[06-Jun-2007 16:18:36] <Aziraphale> zSnmpCommunities is the Property
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[06-Jun-2007 16:31:08] <rch-3> It's my first time in this channel ... is it appropriate to ask about things I haven't been able to figure out with the admin guide?
[06-Jun-2007 16:39:50] <andrew_p> Aziraphale: it helped, thanks. i thought zendisc is using community string somehow hardcoded in SnmpClient.py :)
[06-Jun-2007 16:40:13] <andrew_p> rch-3: why not
[06-Jun-2007 16:40:21] <rch-3> :) excellent
[06-Jun-2007 16:44:14] <rch-3> So I have many machines all of which belong to the same class, and I have a service that is only present on some of them, I have managed to get that service (port 11211) added, and Zenoss has modeled it and sees that it is UP.
[06-Jun-2007 16:44:41] <rch-3> Now I would like to create Data Sources which refer to values available from this service, so I can track basic statistics about it on each machine.
[06-Jun-2007 16:44:48] <rch-3> Is that possible in any way?
[06-Jun-2007 16:45:20] <rch-3> (Obviously I can just create a Command Data Source - the problem is, the service is not present on every machine, so I would only want it to be run against machines that have this service, not every machine in the Class)
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[06-Jun-2007 18:11:08] <chipig> http://community.zenoss.com/docs/howtos/send-events/
[06-Jun-2007 18:11:08] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Zenoss Home : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at community.zenoss.com)
[06-Jun-2007 18:11:35] <chipig> I assume no one has written an atlernative to just XML-RPC for pushing events?
[06-Jun-2007 18:12:03] <chipig> also... is there a Zenoss irc bot like?
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[06-Jun-2007 18:42:29] <creiht> chipig: there should be docs on that page on how to send events rest style
[06-Jun-2007 18:42:37] <creiht> for example it is just a web request
[06-Jun-2007 18:44:39] <chipig> ya.. I see that.
[06-Jun-2007 18:45:13] <chipig> I guess it wouldn't be too hard to write my own damon in python.. which would receive events from a properitary system.
[06-Jun-2007 18:45:48] <creiht> How does the proprietary system send events?
[06-Jun-2007 18:46:01] <chipig> custom stuff over sockets.
[06-Jun-2007 18:46:04] <creiht> ahh
[06-Jun-2007 18:46:05] <creiht> hmm
[06-Jun-2007 18:46:16] <chipig> i have a swig binding into a C++ so i can call into it from python
[06-Jun-2007 18:46:26] <creiht> That sounds best
[06-Jun-2007 18:46:32] <creiht> just fyi
[06-Jun-2007 18:46:41] <creiht> the other ways that you can get events into zenoss are
[06-Jun-2007 18:46:44] <creiht> through syslog
[06-Jun-2007 18:46:51] <creiht> and snmp traps
[06-Jun-2007 18:47:02] <chipig> ya.. snmp traps would be the other way to consider.
[06-Jun-2007 18:47:17] <chipig> but then there is another dependency, another protocol change
[06-Jun-2007 18:47:23] <chipig> i like to keep those to a minimum
[06-Jun-2007 18:47:31] <creiht> makes sense
[06-Jun-2007 18:47:42] <creiht> xmlrpc in python is very easy
[06-Jun-2007 18:48:01] <creiht> actually xmlrpc in most dynamic languages is very easy
[06-Jun-2007 18:48:10] <chipig> xmlrpc more complicated than sprintf in C++ can be a bitch :P
[06-Jun-2007 18:48:15] <creiht> haha
[06-Jun-2007 18:48:16] <creiht> yeah
[06-Jun-2007 18:48:32] <creiht> xmlrpc in C++ or Java, or anything Microsoft for that matter is a pain
[06-Jun-2007 18:49:16] <creiht> chipig: One other option
[06-Jun-2007 18:49:23] <creiht> In the next version that is coming out
[06-Jun-2007 18:49:29] <creiht> They have this idea of Zenpacks
[06-Jun-2007 18:49:36] <creiht> That are plugins to zenoss
[06-Jun-2007 18:49:45] <creiht> I haven't had a chane to play with them much yet
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[06-Jun-2007 18:50:00] <creiht> But theoretically you could use those to create a custom collector in zenoss
[06-Jun-2007 18:50:05] * blowery *chirps*
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[06-Jun-2007 18:50:13] <creiht> that would receive the info from you proprietary system
[06-Jun-2007 18:50:17] <creiht> A bit more work
[06-Jun-2007 18:50:23] <creiht> But a bit more integrated
[06-Jun-2007 18:50:25] <chipig> that would be the prefered way, plugins that is.
[06-Jun-2007 18:51:35] <chipig> i have a question.. how well does zenoss work with like, lots of machines, with like 100+ monitors/device like things on them?
[06-Jun-2007 18:51:46] <chipig> performance stats seem.. sparse.
[06-Jun-2007 18:52:50] <creiht> chipig: 100+ should be fine
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[06-Jun-2007 18:53:03] <creiht> I have heard of several running 2000+
[06-Jun-2007 18:53:14] <chipig> 2000+ monitors? but like, how many machines?
[06-Jun-2007 18:53:18] <creiht> oh
[06-Jun-2007 18:53:21] <creiht> 2000+ machines
[06-Jun-2007 18:53:26] <chipig> ah
[06-Jun-2007 18:53:27] <chipig> okay
[06-Jun-2007 18:53:43] <chipig> i meant couple hundred machines with a hundred monitors each :P
[06-Jun-2007 18:53:45] <creiht> chipig: define sparse?
[06-Jun-2007 18:53:47] <creiht> ahhh
[06-Jun-2007 18:53:48] <creiht> hehe
[06-Jun-2007 18:53:50] <creiht> hrmm
[06-Jun-2007 18:53:54] <creiht> what type of monitors?
[06-Jun-2007 18:53:58] <chipig> creiht: well, google doesn't turn up much, and the website doesn't ahve an example
[06-Jun-2007 18:53:59] <creiht> all snmp?
[06-Jun-2007 18:54:14] <chipig> creiht: propeirtary push plugin if its faster :-)
[06-Jun-2007 18:54:21] <creiht> I see
[06-Jun-2007 18:54:35] <creiht> That's a good question
[06-Jun-2007 18:54:42] <chipig> just like, what ends up hurting most, the sql db?
[06-Jun-2007 18:54:44] <creiht> I would post to the list and see what you get
[06-Jun-2007 18:54:54] <chipig> cus I'm happy to hack on a mysql perofrmance problem :-)
[06-Jun-2007 18:54:58] <creiht> I've been out of the loop a bit
[06-Jun-2007 18:55:02] <creiht> But last I saw
[06-Jun-2007 18:55:02] <chipig> ah
[06-Jun-2007 18:55:14] <creiht> writing RRD files is probably the biggest limit
[06-Jun-2007 18:55:22] <creiht> MySQL only handles events
[06-Jun-2007 18:55:32] <chipig> ya. I've seen RRD kill monitoring systems before :(
[06-Jun-2007 18:55:56] <creiht> After RRD I think the amount of time it takes to collect snmp data
[06-Jun-2007 18:56:11] <creiht> I do know that performance is one of their priorities right now
[06-Jun-2007 18:56:19] <creiht> So they are working on a lot of those things
[06-Jun-2007 18:57:06] <creiht> And RRD can scale fairly well set up correctly
[06-Jun-2007 18:57:28] <chipig> well, the data files can.
[06-Jun-2007 18:57:33] <chipig> but try generating graphs
[06-Jun-2007 18:57:38] <creiht> I've seen other monitoring systems monitor 50K devices with I think 250K data points on one system connected to a SAN
[06-Jun-2007 18:57:47] <chipig> san--
[06-Jun-2007 18:57:55] <creiht> Though that was pushing it a bit
[06-Jun-2007 18:58:10] * chipig is the fan of all 1u machines, distributed systems, etc :P
[06-Jun-2007 18:58:48] <creiht> just an example :)
[06-Jun-2007 18:59:37] <creiht> I currently monitor about 10k devices with another systems on a basic 1u machine
[06-Jun-2007 18:59:55] <creiht> that is RRD based
[06-Jun-2007 19:00:03] <creiht> anyways
[06-Jun-2007 19:00:07] <creiht> I'm off to home
[06-Jun-2007 19:00:11] <creiht> everyone have a great evening
[06-Jun-2007 19:00:12] <chipig> thanks for the help
[06-Jun-2007 19:00:14] <creiht> np
[06-Jun-2007 19:00:17] <creiht> good luck!
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[06-Jun-2007 19:45:14] <tessier__> argh....upgrading to F7 upgraded my python to 2.5 and now all of the things in zenoss with python2.4 binary hardcoded in are broken. :(
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[06-Jun-2007 20:08:30] <Snake-Eyes> i had a few things i had to fix when upgrading from sarge to etch
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[06-Jun-2007 20:23:10] <sclark46> hello - i am trying out 1.97 beta 2 - but can't figure out how to do modeling using portscan or ssh
[06-Jun-2007 20:24:33] <sclark46> the admin docs refer to zCollectorIgnorePlugins which I can't seem to locate
[06-Jun-2007 20:26:40] <sclark46> or zTransportPreference
[06-Jun-2007 20:32:22] <rch-3> hi sclark46 - I am a newbie but I was able to do modelling using bin/zenmodeler run -F
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[06-Jun-2007 21:51:15] <sclark46> hi rch-3 , did u use snmp or ssh or portscan
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[07-Jun-2007 08:41:08] <Tino> Hello
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[07-Jun-2007 11:04:25] <moredakka> hallo, anyone alive in here?
[07-Jun-2007 11:09:05] <moredakka> Hmmm
[07-Jun-2007 11:10:48] <moredakka> guess not
[07-Jun-2007 11:13:05] <moredakka> Well if anyone jumps on, I'm hoping that someone can help me figure out why zenping is always failing heartbeats and not responding (or pinging anything for that matter)
[07-Jun-2007 11:16:52] <moredakka> zenping hasn't written anything to the zenping.log file for 16 minutes now. What can cause the process to hang like this?
[07-Jun-2007 11:17:37] <moredakka> I've tried restarting zenping but all zenping does on restart is re-scan the network tree but doesn't actually ping anything.
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[07-Jun-2007 11:22:21] <moredakka> If I run it manually I get about 1/2 of the devices show "2007-06-07 09:22:05 DEBUG zen.Ping: unexpected pkt 10.10.10.123 <ICMP packet 8 0 31185 0>
[07-Jun-2007 11:25:08] <Aziraphale> moredakka: might be icmp unreachables
[07-Jun-2007 11:26:47] <moredakka> I'm able to manually ping the devices from the manage tab.
[07-Jun-2007 11:27:04] <moredakka> (thanks for the reply, my hair is starting to fall out due to stress)
[07-Jun-2007 11:35:57] <moredakka> I only get that if I manually run 'zenping run -v 10' it then seems to be stuck running, doesn't actually end the process. The zenping process that is automatically being run just doesn't do anything, scans the topology then just sits there...
[07-Jun-2007 11:38:32] <Aziraphale> is that 2-BETA?
[07-Jun-2007 11:39:45] <moredakka> Nope, 1.1.1
[07-Jun-2007 11:40:30] <moredakka> the only thing that I haven't really tried is to reboot the entire server.
[07-Jun-2007 11:45:00] <Aziraphale> this looks like your problem: http://lists.zenoss.org/pipermail/zenoss-users/2007/003097.html
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[07-Jun-2007 11:50:56] <moredakka> Hmmm....that fix "icmppkt = icmp.Packet(ipreply.data, 0)" fix is already in my AsyncPing.py
[07-Jun-2007 11:53:16] <moredakka> I did find that line was missing the ", 0" in Ping.py so I adjusted that but doesn't seem to have made a difference.
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[07-Jun-2007 12:02:32] <mouseclone> hello everyone
[07-Jun-2007 12:02:46] <moredakka> hey
[07-Jun-2007 12:02:53] <moredakka> <-- freaking out.
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[07-Jun-2007 12:03:22] <mouseclone> I don't want to sir up a really big conversation but was wondering what the major differences between Nagios and Zenoss were?
[07-Jun-2007 12:04:22] <moredakka> Nagios is better at pinging (zenping isn't working for me at all right now but Nagios is working no problem). Nagios sucks at snmp.
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[07-Jun-2007 12:05:19] <mouseclone> so you are running both?
[07-Jun-2007 12:07:06] <moredakka> We were using Nagios (before I started here) and started moving everything to Zenoss cause of the snmp factor. But in my opinion right now zenoss is creating a lot of stress for me because zenping isn't doing anything and there aren't many people around right now that will/can help and I haven't received a response in the forum for about a week now with this problem.
[07-Jun-2007 12:07:30] <moredakka> Now I'm in an extreme rush to find out why zenping is being ghey before I leave for vacation....
[07-Jun-2007 12:08:44] <moredakka> sorry, my opinion on zenoss is not very good. My boss is even considering a non open source program because this is critical stuff that isn't being monitored right now.
[07-Jun-2007 12:09:01] <mouseclone> are you running the beta of 2.0 what is it right now 1.97 or something like that
[07-Jun-2007 12:09:46] <mouseclone> All I have ran was the VMware. I have yet to do a server install
[07-Jun-2007 12:09:56] <Aziraphale> atually, I'd give v2 a go, it's largely rewritten
[07-Jun-2007 12:10:31] <mouseclone> well I have been waiting on the release of it for the server install.. I was impressed with the VMware for the beta
[07-Jun-2007 12:10:55] <moredakka> I'm running 1.1.1
[07-Jun-2007 12:11:01] <mouseclone> and once the community get some "zenpacks" out there will be easier i would think
[07-Jun-2007 12:11:38] <Aziraphale> moredakka: what are you running it *on*, btw?
[07-Jun-2007 12:11:44] <moredakka> FC5
[07-Jun-2007 12:12:04] <mouseclone> moredakka: Your only problem with Zenoss is the zenping right now, and that is just getting a ping responce fromt he server, correct?
[07-Jun-2007 12:12:26] <moredakka> Yeah it pings all the devices every 60 seconds
[07-Jun-2007 12:12:27] <Aziraphale> as I understand it it's mis-parsing the ICMP replies
[07-Jun-2007 12:13:35] <moredakka> Aziraphale - I only get responses from zenping (eg - INFO zen.ZenPing: Finished pinging 71 jobs in 0.17 seconds) if I run it manually. If I restart zenping and watch the logs nothing happens
[07-Jun-2007 12:13:35] <mouseclone> an you don't like nagios because the snmp trapping is not as good? is it hard to add your own mibs and oids to Nagios?
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[07-Jun-2007 12:13:49] <amonfils> hola.
[07-Jun-2007 12:14:07] <amonfils> OSError: /usr/local/lib/libnetsnmp.so: Undefined symbol "EVP_DigestInit"
[07-Jun-2007 12:14:19] <amonfils> libnetsnmp built with --with-openssl
[07-Jun-2007 12:14:20] <moredakka> It wasn't my call on the Nagios. I haven't had much time to work with it, it's an ugly interface and I don't think there is much snmp setup that can be done with it.
[07-Jun-2007 12:14:36] <mouseclone> kk
[07-Jun-2007 12:14:38] <amonfils> nagios is difficult but capable.
[07-Jun-2007 12:15:11] <amonfils> new version 3 looks hotty for event type stuff. data collection (graphing!) is still in it's infancy unless you get a prepackaged solution.
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[07-Jun-2007 12:15:32] <moredakka> amonfils, maybe you can help me with my zenping issue.
[07-Jun-2007 12:15:36] <moredakka> it's not doing anything.
[07-Jun-2007 12:15:43] <amonfils> now back to my issue. freebsd 5.5 and 6.2 exhibit same issue.
[07-Jun-2007 12:15:52] <amonfils> applied the freebsd 6.2 find_library hack/patch
[07-Jun-2007 12:15:55] <mouseclone> afk a bit
[07-Jun-2007 12:16:16] <amonfils> moredakka, haven't gotten far enough into zenoss to incorporate nagios stuffs
[07-Jun-2007 12:16:32] <amonfils> running fine in vmware instance (the pre-built)
[07-Jun-2007 12:16:33] <moredakka> I'm not too worried about that, I just want zenping to monitor my devices.
[07-Jun-2007 12:16:49] <amonfils> zenping requires zensocket, yes?
[07-Jun-2007 12:17:19] <moredakka> ?? I'm not sure.
[07-Jun-2007 12:17:32] <amonfils> i'm speaking in regards to zenoss 2.0
[07-Jun-2007 12:17:35] <amonfils> not wasting time with 1.x
[07-Jun-2007 12:17:56] <moredakka> Hmm.....great.
[07-Jun-2007 12:17:56] <amonfils> (1.9.7) ... beta i know, but third or fourth iteration.
[07-Jun-2007 12:18:34] <amonfils> what do you get from the zenping.log
[07-Jun-2007 12:18:54] <moredakka> Just the building of the tree then nothing.
[07-Jun-2007 12:19:15] <amonfils> i have yet to work with zenping to be honest. so i'm merely grasping here.
[07-Jun-2007 12:19:23] <amonfils> i was hoping to get some information in regards to my issue; but alas not to be.
[07-Jun-2007 12:19:28] <moredakka> I restarted zenping 27 minutes ago and it hasn't generated anything in the logs....
[07-Jun-2007 12:19:35] <moredakka> Yeah, not many people in here.
[07-Jun-2007 12:19:54] <moredakka> hasn't generated anything other than the tree generation.
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[07-Jun-2007 12:21:38] <amonfils> for what it's worth
[07-Jun-2007 12:21:43] <amonfils> i just fired it up in my vmware version
[07-Jun-2007 12:21:57] <amonfils> warnings about networks not in the topology\
[07-Jun-2007 12:22:48] <amonfils> look at that, zenping ran just fine.
[07-Jun-2007 12:22:58] <moredakka> Yeah I get lots of those but if you have it sit there for 60+ seconds it should generate "INFO zen.ZenPing: Finished pinging 71 jobs in 0.17 seconds" or something like that.
[07-Jun-2007 12:23:14] <amonfils> yup, mine is.
[07-Jun-2007 12:23:22] <moredakka> I can run zenping manually no problem but it seems that it's not being run automatically. Mine isn't generating that
[07-Jun-2007 12:23:23] <amonfils> a whole .04 seconds!
[07-Jun-2007 12:23:29] <moredakka> heh
[07-Jun-2007 12:24:23] <amonfils> i am clueless to your issue. mine seems to be pinging just fine. in regards to starting in manually, i suspect you need to chown root:root (or root:wheel for fbsd) to zensocket and then chmod u+s zensocket
[07-Jun-2007 12:24:30] <amonfils> (this is for 1.9.7 aka 2.0beta)
[07-Jun-2007 12:24:47] <amonfils> then it should start auto as well.
[07-Jun-2007 12:26:43] <moredakka> Mine was pinging just fine until I wanted to test to make sure it was working properly....blocked all outgoing icmp packets at the firewall from the server and zenping just broke and hasn't come back from the dead.
[07-Jun-2007 12:27:00] <moredakka> but thanks for trying :-.
[07-Jun-2007 12:27:37] <amonfils> how would blocking icmps at a firewall impact a running process? that's one helluva bug
[07-Jun-2007 12:29:20] <Aziraphale> amonfils: this fixes it: http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/changeset/5668 Last line in the install file
[07-Jun-2007 12:29:27] <adytum-bot> Title: Changeset 5668 - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.com)
[07-Jun-2007 12:29:48] <Aziraphale> amonfils: the EVT_Digest_Init issue
[07-Jun-2007 12:29:52] <amonfils> sadf;ljasl;fjsdf
[07-Jun-2007 12:29:53] <amonfils> thakns.
[07-Jun-2007 12:29:57] <amonfils> geezus h keerist.
[07-Jun-2007 12:30:13] <amonfils> and i have been scouring the svn
[07-Jun-2007 12:30:14] <amonfils> asl;jkfsd
[07-Jun-2007 12:30:34] <Aziraphale> amonfils: what can I say, being the one who reported the bug
[07-Jun-2007 12:30:46] <Aziraphale> almost drove me to drug abuse ;)
[07-Jun-2007 12:30:56] <amonfils> hahaha glad i'm not the only one
[07-Jun-2007 12:31:03] <amonfils> i've been objdump'ing and nm'ing files
[07-Jun-2007 12:31:13] <amonfils> looking at shared libraries and statics
[07-Jun-2007 12:31:15] <amonfils> grumble.
[07-Jun-2007 12:31:37] <amonfils> my failure is lack of python knowledge
[07-Jun-2007 12:31:39] <Aziraphale> yep. BTDT
[07-Jun-2007 12:31:44] <Aziraphale> ditto
[07-Jun-2007 12:33:00] <amonfils> hehe i worked around the nagios thing slightly more brute-forceish
[07-Jun-2007 12:33:26] <moredakka> weird
[07-Jun-2007 12:33:33] <moredakka> looks like zenping was stuck in a loop
[07-Jun-2007 12:35:00] <moredakka> with this in the debug log file "DEBUG zen.Ping: unexpected pkt 10.0.4.13 <ICMP packet 0 0 5748 0>".
[07-Jun-2007 12:35:56] <moredakka> cause if I ran zenping manually it would just keep running until I cancelled it. But I removed the rule on the firewall to block icmp packets from the zenoss box and it works now.
[07-Jun-2007 12:36:21] <amonfils> KUDOS TO YOU AZIRAPHALE
[07-Jun-2007 12:36:30] <Aziraphale> tsk, tsk. blocking icmp is baaad, mmmhkay?
[07-Jun-2007 12:36:33] <amonfils> also, slight change
[07-Jun-2007 12:36:34] <amonfils> export LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libcrypto.so
[07-Jun-2007 12:36:36] <amonfils> export LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libcrypto.so
[07-Jun-2007 12:36:38] <amonfils> erps.
[07-Jun-2007 12:36:47] <amonfils> it's a sym link to the proper library in /lib
[07-Jun-2007 12:36:54] <amonfils> seeing as fbsd versions every !#$!@#$ library
[07-Jun-2007 12:37:09] <Aziraphale> yup, thought so, too
[07-Jun-2007 12:37:28] <Aziraphale> couldn't be arsed to file it last night, though
[07-Jun-2007 12:37:34] <amonfils> no worries.
[07-Jun-2007 12:38:09] <moredakka> Aziraphale, if I block icmp packets from the zenoss box, shouldn't zenoss generate errors for all the devices that are beyond the firewall?
[07-Jun-2007 12:38:38] <amonfils> no, because it'll return something other than 'timeout' more than likely
[07-Jun-2007 12:38:43] <Aziraphale> moredakka: depends on the blocking rule but, theoretically, yes
[07-Jun-2007 12:38:58] <amonfils> !X != timeout
[07-Jun-2007 12:39:20] <moredakka> well I think it should have generated an error rather than putting zenping into an endless loop
[07-Jun-2007 12:39:34] <amonfils> unexpected response and unhandled in code
[07-Jun-2007 12:39:35] <Aziraphale> if it DROPs it should timeout, if it REJECTs, not
[07-Jun-2007 12:40:00] <amonfils> fix it moredakka and file a buggy!
[07-Jun-2007 12:40:02] <Aziraphale> the REJECT might be the one that gets misparsed, similar to my UNREACH
[07-Jun-2007 12:40:10] <moredakka> bah :-/ least I know what the problem is....grrrr.....
[07-Jun-2007 12:40:13] <moredakka> haha
[07-Jun-2007 12:40:24] <moredakka> if I touch any of the files I'm sure the system will light on fire.
[07-Jun-2007 12:41:21] <amonfils> so the real question about this libcrypto thing
[07-Jun-2007 12:41:30] <amonfils> is why if we are preloading it in netsnmp.py
[07-Jun-2007 12:41:35] <amonfils> when is it not getting globally registered!
[07-Jun-2007 12:41:47] <amonfils> again, lack of clue.
[07-Jun-2007 12:42:17] <amonfils> i suspect the cause lies here crypto = CDLL(find_library('crypto'), RTLD_GLOBAL)
[07-Jun-2007 12:42:26] <Aziraphale> dunno either. they made some changes to that code last night, though
[07-Jun-2007 12:42:33] <amonfils> yes searched the svn
[07-Jun-2007 12:42:35] <amonfils> no help
[07-Jun-2007 12:42:38] <amonfils> your fix was spot on
[07-Jun-2007 12:42:58] <Aziraphale> I didn't come up with it
[07-Jun-2007 12:43:39] <amonfils> oh.
[07-Jun-2007 12:43:45] <amonfils> well, kudos anyway for pointing it out
[07-Jun-2007 12:43:56] <Aziraphale> just filed the bug - I think the credit belongs to Eric
[07-Jun-2007 12:45:02] <Aziraphale> shoul find the time to learn Python, really
[07-Jun-2007 12:45:19] <amonfils> yes and add it to the ever increasing stack of crap to know
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[07-Jun-2007 12:55:32] <mouseclone> back
[07-Jun-2007 12:57:07] <mouseclone> have any of yall intergrated speex with zenoss for anouncing events?
[07-Jun-2007 12:57:23] <Aziraphale> der bob, no
[07-Jun-2007 12:57:26] <amonfils> "ya fookin bloke, your router is down!"
[07-Jun-2007 12:57:30] <Aziraphale> dear, even
[07-Jun-2007 12:57:45] <Aziraphale> last thing i need is the damn thing shouting at me
[07-Jun-2007 12:58:47] <amonfils> dear networking community
[07-Jun-2007 12:58:53] <amonfils> please come up with something better than snmp
[07-Jun-2007 12:58:54] <amonfils> thanks,
[07-Jun-2007 12:58:55] <amonfils> aaron
[07-Jun-2007 13:06:36] <amonfils> ps
[07-Jun-2007 13:06:37] <amonfils> netflow isn't it
[07-Jun-2007 13:06:51] <mouseclone> not sure if there will ever be another protol call that is as main stream as snmp
[07-Jun-2007 13:07:11] <amonfils> cisco's SAA is a start
[07-Jun-2007 13:07:17] <amonfils> it should be generated by the device itself
[07-Jun-2007 13:07:27] <mouseclone> I saw that. It is nice. but it is for Cisco
[07-Jun-2007 13:07:33] <amonfils> so was netflow at one time...
[07-Jun-2007 13:08:08] <mouseclone> mibs are not bad just a lot to rember
[07-Jun-2007 13:08:18] <mouseclone> and they are not all consistant across the board.
[07-Jun-2007 13:09:26] <moredakka> Hey since you two are quite smart, zenping (the bain of my existance) has generated this in the logs
[07-Jun-2007 13:09:27] <moredakka> ERROR zen.Ping: receiving packet error: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'callback'
[07-Jun-2007 13:09:27] <moredakka> Traceback (most recent call last):
[07-Jun-2007 13:09:49] <amonfils> sounds like it's a null variable
[07-Jun-2007 13:09:55] <moredakka> ERROR zen.Ping: receiving packet error: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'callback'
[07-Jun-2007 13:09:59] <moredakka> gah
[07-Jun-2007 13:10:03] <moredakka> not doing well here with the pasting
[07-Jun-2007 13:10:07] <amonfils> and for the record; not smart, just terribly dangerous because i know just enough to be dangerous
[07-Jun-2007 13:10:28] <moredakka> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenStatus/AsyncPing.py", line 152, in recvPackets
[07-Jun-2007 13:10:29] <moredakka> self.pingJobSucceed(self.jobqueue[sip])
[07-Jun-2007 13:10:42] <moredakka> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenStatus/AsyncPing.py", line 184, in pingJobSucceed
[07-Jun-2007 13:10:42] <moredakka> self.reportPingJob(pj)
[07-Jun-2007 13:10:46] <moredakka> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenStatus/AsyncPing.py", line 205, in reportPingJob
[07-Jun-2007 13:10:46] <moredakka> pj.deferred.callback(pj)
[07-Jun-2007 13:10:51] <moredakka> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'callback'
[07-Jun-2007 13:11:05] <moredakka> Do you know how I can fix that?
[07-Jun-2007 13:11:28] <amonfils> my clue here is 'Nonetype'
[07-Jun-2007 13:11:40] <amonfils> my guess is that is the same as "null"
[07-Jun-2007 13:11:48] <amonfils> a null object having a callback sounds suspect to me
[07-Jun-2007 13:12:47] <moredakka> What can I do about it?
[07-Jun-2007 13:12:54] <amonfils> are you still blocking ICMP pings?
[07-Jun-2007 13:12:57] <moredakka> nope
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[07-Jun-2007 13:13:15] <moredakka> this error randomly appears in the logs.
[07-Jun-2007 13:13:33] <mouseclone> what device/server OS are you trying to reach?
[07-Jun-2007 13:13:42] <moredakka> I also get WARNING zen.Ping: failed to parse host unreachable packet every once in a while.
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[07-Jun-2007 13:13:53] <moredakka> I'm not sure what device that is that is causing the problem.
[07-Jun-2007 13:14:37] <moredakka> guess I could systematically disable ping monitoring on each device until that error stops coming up.
[07-Jun-2007 13:15:19] <mouseclone> If you have window servers in your list I would kill them first. Could be a firewall on the local server. I have not seen a server with the XP firewall but it you did an auto discovery then you woul dhave xp or vista if you have M$ OSs
[07-Jun-2007 13:17:12] <moredakka> alright, so stopping monitoring each one individually for 5 minutes is really the only way to figure out which one is causing the problem....I'm going to try -v 10 on zenping
[07-Jun-2007 13:19:05] <moredakka> would this be the packet? DEBUG zen.Ping: unexpected pkt 10.10.10.123 <ICMP packet 8 0 15601 0>
[07-Jun-2007 13:19:55] <moredakka> it's weird cause I get a success after that
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[07-Jun-2007 13:21:03] <moredakka> cluther, r u here now?
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[07-Jun-2007 13:24:07] <moredakka> guess now :(
[07-Jun-2007 13:24:15] <moredakka> not
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[07-Jun-2007 13:35:34] <cluther> moredakka: Just got back from lunch. What version are you running?
[07-Jun-2007 13:38:01] <moredakka> 1.1.1
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[07-Jun-2007 13:39:12] <moredakka> Also, I posted a possible bug in the forums. I'm not sure if it is a bug or something worked into the software but when you have a chance if you wouldn't mind looking at it ;-)
[07-Jun-2007 13:41:11] <cluther> moredakka: I think the ping thing is a bug that was present in 1.1.1. 1.1.2 and later handle bad and unexpected ping responses more graceully.
[07-Jun-2007 13:43:05] <moredakka> ah, cool. So once 2.0 goes live I'll have to make sure to get that running on here to deal with these small problems.
[07-Jun-2007 13:43:26] <moredakka> While I have your attention here, is there anything that can be done in 1.1.1 about the zenping heartbeat failure?
[07-Jun-2007 13:44:10] <amonfils> upgrade to 2.0 ;)
[07-Jun-2007 13:44:16] <moredakka> haha
[07-Jun-2007 13:44:22] <moredakka> well doesn't that fix everything ;-)
[07-Jun-2007 13:44:33] <moredakka> will the upgrade from 1.1.1 -> 2.0 be painful?
[07-Jun-2007 13:44:52] <amonfils> beats me. i started with 2.0 fresh; early adopter! cutting edge! (and bleeding all over my keyboard)
[07-Jun-2007 13:45:01] <moredakka> haha
[07-Jun-2007 13:45:09] <moredakka> I'm not a huge fan of beta in production
[07-Jun-2007 13:45:25] <amonfils> how much T train code do you have? ;)
[07-Jun-2007 13:45:31] <amonfils> (assuming ios)
[07-Jun-2007 13:46:23] <cluther> moredakka: Sorry I've been mostly unresponsive as of late. I'm quite swamped.
[07-Jun-2007 13:46:41] <moredakka> T train? Since I'm a)linux newb and b)zenoss newb I'm not sure what you're talking about
[07-Jun-2007 13:46:48] <amonfils> oh ok
[07-Jun-2007 13:46:54] <cluther> moredakka: The zenping problem is likely due to zenping reloading its configuration every 20 minutes and taking too long to build the pingtree (layer 3 topology map.)
[07-Jun-2007 13:47:01] <amonfils> nevermind then.
[07-Jun-2007 13:47:13] <amonfils> i need beer.
[07-Jun-2007 13:47:20] <cluther> moredakka: Go to the Edit tab of your status monitor and set the config reload cycle to 1440 minutes or something much longer than 20 minutes.
[07-Jun-2007 13:47:32] <moredakka> cluther - This is volunteer work and I can't expect an imediate answer all the time.
[07-Jun-2007 13:47:50] <cluther> moredakka: Also, the upgrade from 1.x to 2.0 is mostly painless. The online instructions for it work quite well.
[07-Jun-2007 13:47:58] <moredakka> cool. can't wait for gold.
[07-Jun-2007 13:48:05] <cluther> moredakka: You won't have to wait long.
[07-Jun-2007 13:48:14] <moredakka> yeah heard something about this week?
[07-Jun-2007 13:48:30] <cluther> Pushed until next week.
[07-Jun-2007 13:48:58] <moredakka> Ah...well making something properly rather than quickly makes more sense ;-)
[07-Jun-2007 13:49:13] <cluther> Both is best. =}
[07-Jun-2007 13:49:19] <amonfils> cheap fast good
[07-Jun-2007 13:49:20] <amonfils> pick two
[07-Jun-2007 13:49:27] <cluther> fast and good please.
[07-Jun-2007 13:49:31] <moredakka> haha
[07-Jun-2007 13:49:38] <amonfils> then not cheap!
[07-Jun-2007 13:49:58] <moredakka> cluther, thanks for your help. Most of my issues have been pebkac issues :(
[07-Jun-2007 13:50:12] <amonfils> id10t errors
[07-Jun-2007 13:50:20] <amonfils> know them well1
[07-Jun-2007 13:50:20] <moredakka> yeah those too
[07-Jun-2007 13:50:27] <cluther> moredakka: Happens to us all..
[07-Jun-2007 13:51:14] <moredakka> ha true true. some much much much fewer than others
[07-Jun-2007 13:51:50] <moredakka> Oh had another thing that was a problem, maybe you'll be able to shed some light on.
[07-Jun-2007 13:52:10] <moredakka> ERROR zen.Ping: receiving packet error: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'callback'
[07-Jun-2007 13:52:15] <moredakka> Traceback (most recent call last):
[07-Jun-2007 13:52:22] <moredakka> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenStatus/AsyncPing.py", line 152, in recvPackets
[07-Jun-2007 13:52:27] <moredakka> self.pingJobSucceed(self.jobqueue[sip])
[07-Jun-2007 13:52:31] <moredakka> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenStatus/AsyncPing.py", line 184, in pingJobSucceed
[07-Jun-2007 13:52:34] <moredakka> self.reportPingJob(pj)
[07-Jun-2007 13:52:45] <moredakka> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenStatus/AsyncPing.py", line 205, in reportPingJob
[07-Jun-2007 13:52:49] <moredakka> pj.deferred.callback(pj)
[07-Jun-2007 13:52:53] <moredakka> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'callback'
[07-Jun-2007 13:53:05] <moredakka> That happens randomly in the zenping log.
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[07-Jun-2007 15:23:29] <moredakka> anyone here?
[07-Jun-2007 15:29:33] <moredakka> :(
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[07-Jun-2007 15:52:10] <moredakka> anyone here?
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[07-Jun-2007 16:03:39] <moredakka> anyone here?
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[07-Jun-2007 22:25:03] <irc> hey there
[07-Jun-2007 22:25:14] <irc> can someone help me with a quick question
[07-Jun-2007 22:25:39] <irc> getting the following error
[07-Jun-2007 22:28:10] <irc> unable to find the "patch" program
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[07-Jun-2007 22:43:20] <irc> hey chair
[07-Jun-2007 22:43:26] <irc> hows it going
[07-Jun-2007 22:49:39] <irc> anyone know what ubuntu package owns mysql_config
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[07-Jun-2007 22:59:59] <irc> anyone have advice on this error
[07-Jun-2007 23:00:00] <irc> unable to find the "patch" program
[07-Jun-2007 23:01:04] <irc> fixed it
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[08-Jun-2007 01:27:44] <davetoo> Feh. It's too bad net-snmp reports NFS mounts as physical disks, the same as local drives :(
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[08-Jun-2007 05:49:17] <foreigNer> hi I just downloaded the 1.9.7 vmware and started her up but unlike the 1.1.1 vmware this one is having some problems ... zenping and other services are down and are not up and running
[08-Jun-2007 05:49:38] <foreigNer> I tried starting them but the don't just start ...
[08-Jun-2007 05:49:48] <foreigNer> anyone any idea ??
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[08-Jun-2007 05:54:04] <foreigNer> hmmm
[08-Jun-2007 05:54:12] <foreigNer> anyone even here ??
[08-Jun-2007 05:54:38] <foreigNer> german ?? English ?? french ??
[08-Jun-2007 05:55:19] <foreigNer> thanks anyway
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[08-Jun-2007 06:29:26] <GSN> Anyone here sucessfully imported any Juniper mibs? In particualr Netscreen Mibs ?
[08-Jun-2007 06:31:37] <Aziraphale> not netscreen but the router ones
[08-Jun-2007 06:37:45] <GSN> i keep getting errors about loading files so i edited the mibs to contain /dir/dir/dir/xx.mib for the includes etc but now i get this error
[08-Jun-2007 06:37:58] <GSN> ERROR:zen.zenmib:Failed to load mib: /opt/zenoss/share/mibs/site/NS-TRAPS.mib
[08-Jun-2007 06:37:58] <GSN> ERROR:zen.zenmib:Error: sh: smidump: command not found
[08-Jun-2007 06:41:05] <GSN> any ideas ?
[08-Jun-2007 06:45:18] <Aziraphale> zenmib run mib1 mib2 mib3 etc
[08-Jun-2007 06:45:46] <GSN> produces the same resaults
[08-Jun-2007 06:46:22] <GSN> ive just looked in my config files there al empty including zenmib.conf and zenmib.conf.example where do i find what to put in the conf files ?
[08-Jun-2007 06:52:42] <GSN> ?
[08-Jun-2007 06:57:57] <GSN> i isntalled from source
[08-Jun-2007 07:05:56] <GSN> ok so any ideas about the mib problem ?
[08-Jun-2007 07:08:32] <GSN> ERROR:zen.zenmib:Error: sh: smidump: command not found <-- this is oviously the problem but it is installed in bin becuase i can run it and $ZENPATH is set
[08-Jun-2007 07:12:03] <GSN> can someone paste there zenmib.conf file ?
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[08-Jun-2007 07:30:00] <GSN> anyone?
[08-Jun-2007 08:06:42] <GSN> ok had to add PATH var to .bash_profile
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[08-Jun-2007 09:37:08] <GSN> is there a good tutorial on how to graph interface stats ?
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[08-Jun-2007 10:29:29] <flip> hey all -- anyone around?
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