IRC July 2007

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[01-Jul-2007 06:56:09] <bilke> hi people
[01-Jul-2007 06:56:23] <bilke> i have strange problem with zenoss 2.0.0 on freebsd 5.3
[01-Jul-2007 06:56:47] <bilke> 207.218.219.221 sendto error short format requires 0<=number<=USHRT_MAX
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[01-Jul-2007 15:51:43] <Daveyboy> hi
[01-Jul-2007 15:51:51] <Daveyboy> cannot get any graphs
[01-Jul-2007 15:52:50] <Daveyboy> plz help
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[01-Jul-2007 21:29:39] <Tazdevil> Good evening everyone
[01-Jul-2007 21:30:11] <nassy> hi
[01-Jul-2007 21:31:40] <Tazdevil> New to Zenoss but so far i have it installed now i need to learn how to set it up so I can see my network
[01-Jul-2007 21:32:46] <Tazdevil> Do you know where I can get a good tutorial for it
[01-Jul-2007 21:33:20] <Tazdevil> show me how to configure it I have 2 local servers 1 remote server and 7 clients/workstations I wiould like to mintor
[01-Jul-2007 21:33:40] <Tazdevil> ooops
[01-Jul-2007 21:33:50] <Tazdevil> mintor*monitor
[01-Jul-2007 21:37:41] <nassy> Tazdevil: sorry, i don't. i am also new. only thing i can suggest is to start with the manual and then progress to the wiki and forums
[01-Jul-2007 21:41:45] <Tazdevil> Yeah I did that but looks like i will have to wrtie a tutorial for after the install .....
[01-Jul-2007 21:42:12] <Tazdevil> Where to start and such cuz i don't have a clue where to go from here
[01-Jul-2007 21:42:32] <Tazdevil> It has a real nice interface however it does not let me know where to start
[01-Jul-2007 21:42:56] <Tazdevil> I'll Just have to tinker with it I suppose
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[02-Jul-2007 05:39:04] <jsegura> is anyone alive?
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[02-Jul-2007 06:28:28] <jsegura> i need some help because i'm so confused
[02-Jul-2007 06:28:38] <jsegura> I have a zenoss monitor in a private network, in this network I have 2 machines
[02-Jul-2007 06:30:01] <jsegura> this 2 machines are monitored correctly and one of them
[02-Jul-2007 06:30:35] <jsegura> has another interface with one server I want to monitor
[02-Jul-2007 06:31:11] <jsegura> how can I monitor this server if my "zenoss server" can't connect to this second network
[02-Jul-2007 06:31:29] <jsegura> ?
[02-Jul-2007 06:31:43] <jsegura> maybe playing with zenhub but i'm noob in zenoss
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[02-Jul-2007 08:22:12] <Bulwinkle> cluther: good morning!
[02-Jul-2007 08:22:31] <cluther> Same to you, Bulwinkle.
[02-Jul-2007 08:22:48] <Bulwinkle> things went from bad to worse after you left Friday...
[02-Jul-2007 08:22:55] <cluther> How s?
[02-Jul-2007 08:23:23] <Bulwinkle> I couldn't get the zenhub process to keep running but I figured out the problem
[02-Jul-2007 08:24:33] <Bulwinkle> You had me delete the zeo1-1.zec file... I solved that by deleting BOTH the zeo1-1.zec and zenhub-1.zec files and starting the services
[02-Jul-2007 08:25:04] <Bulwinkle> You may want to see if you can recreate the problem on your system
[02-Jul-2007 08:25:25] <Bulwinkle> cluther: still can't add devices though
[02-Jul-2007 08:26:40] <cluther> Bulwinkle: I'm trying to reproduce the "add devices" issue on my side by making the same changes.
[02-Jul-2007 08:27:23] <Bulwinkle> cluther: okie... let me know what you get/if you find something for me to try.
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[02-Jul-2007 09:31:26] <John> Morning/afternoon all
[02-Jul-2007 09:31:46] <t35t0r> does it inventory hardware items on a system?
[02-Jul-2007 09:32:23] <t35t0r> like ocsinventory-ng ?
[02-Jul-2007 09:32:41] <t35t0r> we need a single solution that does everything nagios + ocsinventory-ng in one
[02-Jul-2007 09:32:52] <t35t0r> and that works with pg
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[02-Jul-2007 09:37:14] <soloman> Hello. I have 2 SNMP data sources. I want to collect data and build graphs every 1 minute for the first Datasource and every one hour for the second Data source. How can I do that?
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[02-Jul-2007 09:50:24] <John> Does anyone have any experience with extending the standard data model? I want to collect info on our Novell Netware NSS volumes and there are more stats than the standard data model support
[02-Jul-2007 09:50:51] <John> I've written a new data model and I think I have the relationship in place between OS and the new filesystem model - but I'm getting some errors
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[02-Jul-2007 10:04:12] <Bulwinkle> cluther: any news?
[02-Jul-2007 10:04:23] <John> Hello
[02-Jul-2007 10:04:32] <John> news on what?
[02-Jul-2007 10:15:56] <Bulwinkle> John: a problem we are working on
[02-Jul-2007 10:25:04] <John> Ahhh
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[02-Jul-2007 11:05:07] <tty01> anyone know why when i do a check via snmp and i enter the correct OID.....zenoss automatically appends another number?
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[02-Jul-2007 11:06:15] <withoutend> Hello
[02-Jul-2007 11:08:31] <withoutend> I have a small problem with Python. I'm running RH7 and installed Zenoss with the package, but when it starts it complains that the Python C API version mismatches
[02-Jul-2007 11:09:09] <withoutend> err, not RH7, Fedora 7
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[02-Jul-2007 11:17:19] <withoutend> not so much?
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[02-Jul-2007 11:38:49] <jaredo> anyone know how to fix the drop down menu in the web interface so it appears ontop of the other boxes instead of behind where it is unaccessible?
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[02-Jul-2007 14:21:19] <shakeSpear> hi, does anyone know how to run 2 or more monitors with different steps (e.g. 60s + 300s) on one server?
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[02-Jul-2007 15:05:49] <bmunger> my graphs are empty, the install guide didnt mention anything for graph tools, do i need something like rrdtool?
[02-Jul-2007 15:22:04] <shakeSpear> bmunger: maybe a permission problem?
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[02-Jul-2007 15:39:31] <bmunger> how do i know shakeSpear?
[02-Jul-2007 15:39:41] <bmunger> doesnt put an error out
[02-Jul-2007 15:42:46] <shakeSpear> hmm - just a guess - the directories with the rrd-files have to be writeable for the zenoss user
[02-Jul-2007 15:45:25] <bmunger> well does the zenoss package come with rrd?
[02-Jul-2007 15:48:09] <bzed> yes
[02-Jul-2007 15:48:43] <bmunger> ok
[02-Jul-2007 15:48:56] <bmunger> just found it in the etc directory of zenhome
[02-Jul-2007 15:49:02] <bmunger> but broken images are still there
[02-Jul-2007 15:49:17] <bmunger> should i chown -R zenoss:zenoss /opt/zenoss ?
[02-Jul-2007 15:59:01] <shakeSpear> bmunger: i didn't mean the rrdtool binaries - the folder storing the rrd-databases has to be writeable
[02-Jul-2007 16:00:55] <shakeSpear> chown zenoss.zenoss could do the job I think
[02-Jul-2007 16:01:20] <shakeSpear> how are the permissions currently set?
[02-Jul-2007 16:02:44] <bzed> bmunger: afaik the rrd stuff is stored in the perf folder, which needs to be writeable by zenoss
[02-Jul-2007 16:03:33] <bmunger> i tried the chown no go
[02-Jul-2007 16:03:43] <bmunger> it did change all the permissions
[02-Jul-2007 16:04:01] <bmunger> i just removed zenoss and reinstalling because i changed the hostname after it was installed and it got kinda messed up
[02-Jul-2007 16:06:05] <bmunger> damn it it kept the data even after i took out mysql
[02-Jul-2007 16:06:45] <bzed> host data is not saved in mysql
[02-Jul-2007 16:06:55] <bzed> i guess you could have changed that in the zope dmd
[02-Jul-2007 16:07:43] <bmunger> well i removed zenoss and removed mysql
[02-Jul-2007 16:07:52] <bmunger> didn't kill the data
[02-Jul-2007 16:08:30] <bzed> not sure where the ZEO stores it's data in the default zenoss install
[02-Jul-2007 16:08:59] <bmunger> might have to reinstall the os again
[02-Jul-2007 16:12:01] <bzed> dude, you're not on windows!
[02-Jul-2007 16:12:09] <bmunger> hehe
[02-Jul-2007 16:12:13] <bmunger> i know
[02-Jul-2007 16:12:24] <bmunger> loosk like it didnt kill the /opt/zenoss directory when rpm removed
[02-Jul-2007 16:12:28] <bmunger> so i killed that directory
[02-Jul-2007 16:15:09] <bmunger> that didnt do it
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[02-Jul-2007 16:15:39] <bmunger> startover time
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[02-Jul-2007 16:44:27] <Driador> afternoon all... can anyone point me to a link on the site (or tell me) what o/s platforms zenoss enterprise is supported on?
[02-Jul-2007 16:46:33] <bzed> should work on all recent linux versions
[02-Jul-2007 16:46:43] <Driador> what about FreeBSD?
[02-Jul-2007 16:46:50] <bzed> and there're people who managed to install it on *BSD< too
[02-Jul-2007 16:46:55] <Driador> k
[02-Jul-2007 16:47:05] <bzed> but that seems to need some manual fixes
[02-Jul-2007 16:47:17] <Driador> just wanted to make sure it's an officially supported platform if we look for support
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[02-Jul-2007 16:56:12] <Bulwinkle> cluther: you around?
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[02-Jul-2007 17:27:32] <chowmeined> I have all these events coming up about localhost.localdomain.. how can i get rid of them?
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[02-Jul-2007 17:32:12] <chowmeined> There is this one error in the logs: CRITICAL zen.ZenPing 'localhost.localdomain' not found, ignoring network topology.
[02-Jul-2007 17:32:52] <bzed> sounds like you wanna add localhost.localdomain to /etc/hosts
[02-Jul-2007 17:32:56] <bzed> for 127.0.0.1
[02-Jul-2007 17:33:22] <chowmeined> can i just.. not monitor it?
[02-Jul-2007 17:33:25] <chowmeined> and just monitor localhost
[02-Jul-2007 17:33:32] <bzed> you wanna monitor it.
[02-Jul-2007 17:33:53] <chowmeined> ok
[02-Jul-2007 17:35:08] <chowmeined> but they were still in there before
[02-Jul-2007 17:35:36] <chowmeined> they all say: localhost.localdomain zenstatus heartbeat failure .. same error but with zenmodeler and zenping and zenactions
[02-Jul-2007 17:36:23] <chowmeined> can i tell it not to track hostnames? because it is doing a reverse dns lookup and getting different dns names so errors for those keep accumulating
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[02-Jul-2007 17:43:02] <markl_> is this an appropriate place for a newb question? I installed zenoss but i don't have a users option under the management tab. is that bad, or is the PDF just out of date?
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[02-Jul-2007 18:55:11] <scrip> hello, is anyone in here NOT afk?
[02-Jul-2007 18:55:38] <chowmeined> im not
[02-Jul-2007 18:55:43] <scrip> awesome!
[02-Jul-2007 18:56:01] <chowmeined> i still cant figure out why the vmachine is broken
[02-Jul-2007 18:56:02] <chowmeined> but oh well
[02-Jul-2007 18:56:18] <scrip> do you know of a way to assign a device name when its added? I can add a device by IP and the name is then set to the name it gives via SNMP
[02-Jul-2007 18:56:37] <scrip> I can then change it, but this causes problems maintaining the system
[02-Jul-2007 18:59:11] <scrip> why is your vm machine broken?
[02-Jul-2007 18:59:43] <chowmeined> its listing like 20 errors
[02-Jul-2007 18:59:45] <chowmeined> but nothing is wrong
[02-Jul-2007 19:00:03] <scrip> uh... would you mind explaining those last two statements?
[02-Jul-2007 19:00:14] <chowmeined> there are 20 events listed
[02-Jul-2007 19:00:20] <chowmeined> a bunch of
[02-Jul-2007 19:00:41] <chowmeined> localhost.localdomain zentrap heartbeat failure localhost.localdomain zensyslog heartbeat failurelocalhost.localdomain zenwinmodeler heartbeat failure
[02-Jul-2007 19:01:07] <scrip> ah, I thought you meant the vm machine itself was having trouble
[02-Jul-2007 19:01:10] <chowmeined> plus theres a bunch of other workstations being listed
[02-Jul-2007 19:01:17] <chowmeined> i hate auto discovery
[02-Jul-2007 19:01:25] <chowmeined> 99% of the computers i _dont_ want to monitor
[02-Jul-2007 19:01:30] <scrip> can't help you, check that all the daemons are running? check their log files, turn up verbosity if that doesn't help
[02-Jul-2007 19:01:36] <chowmeined> nothing is wrong
[02-Jul-2007 19:01:42] <chowmeined> its just spewing errors
[02-Jul-2007 19:01:55] <scrip> those are internal zenoss problems, I think
[02-Jul-2007 19:02:12] <chowmeined> well i cant use it like this.. thats too many false positives
[02-Jul-2007 19:02:41] <chowmeined> oh well
[02-Jul-2007 19:02:42] <scrip> the _NON_ paid support is gonna kill zenoss I think, I'm trying to set it up at my work now, but I can never get any information out of any of the devs on the forums or here until more than a week after posting
[02-Jul-2007 19:02:58] <chowmeined> maybe ill go try opennms
[02-Jul-2007 19:03:02] <scrip> and theres no way I'm gonna convince my boss to spend money on this if I can't even make it work
[02-Jul-2007 19:03:10] <chowmeined> yea, i wont be able to either
[02-Jul-2007 19:03:18] <chowmeined> i mean once i get it set up.. they would buy a support contract
[02-Jul-2007 19:03:26] <scrip> but those errors should be easy to fix, have you looked at the log files?
[02-Jul-2007 19:03:32] <chowmeined> yes
[02-Jul-2007 19:03:39] <chowmeined> theres only some warnings in there
[02-Jul-2007 19:03:53] <chowmeined> but it shouldnt have these.. this is just the vmachine i downloaded off the site
[02-Jul-2007 19:04:05] <scrip> yeah, true
[02-Jul-2007 19:04:07] <chowmeined> it should be all setup perfectly.. they made it..
[02-Jul-2007 19:04:15] <scrip> are you running 2.0? I went back to 1.2 because it ran better
[02-Jul-2007 19:04:40] <chowmeined> yea 2.0
[02-Jul-2007 19:05:01] <scrip> hm, I had weird problems with 2.0, though I wasn't able to track them down either
[02-Jul-2007 19:05:57] <chowmeined> 2007-07-02 15:58:14 CRITICAL zen.ZenPing: ZenPing 'dev2203' not found,ignoring network topology.
[02-Jul-2007 19:06:21] <chowmeined> i turned off auto discovery.. and i only have 1 device added.. where the heck are these other things coming from?
[02-Jul-2007 19:06:30] <chowmeined> i wonder if they update opennms...
[02-Jul-2007 19:06:34] <chowmeined> have you tried it?
[02-Jul-2007 19:06:45] <chowmeined> updated*
[02-Jul-2007 19:07:10] <chowmeined> their channel actually has people in it too
[02-Jul-2007 19:10:01] <scrip> I looked at opennms, but it was missing features I needed
[02-Jul-2007 19:10:06] <scrip> I think it was alerting
[02-Jul-2007 19:10:18] <chowmeined> well the windows support wasnt as integrated
[02-Jul-2007 19:10:22] <chowmeined> and we have a ton of windows machines.. so
[02-Jul-2007 19:10:38] <scrip> but yeah, zenoss is the only really good open source project I could find for what I'm doing and their documentation is horrible
[02-Jul-2007 19:10:55] <scrip> ah, yeah, I'm monitoring a few hundred retarded little embeded linux boxes
[02-Jul-2007 19:12:29] <bzed> scrip: I'm always trying to poke them to move to a proper tex file with ther documentataion instead of the neo-office document
[02-Jul-2007 19:12:52] <chowmeined> i like PDFs
[02-Jul-2007 19:13:07] <chowmeined> the tex font hurts my eyes.. but oh well
[02-Jul-2007 19:13:42] <bzed> you can change that
[02-Jul-2007 19:13:58] <chowmeined> ok
[02-Jul-2007 19:14:47] <scrip> so, can anyone here enlighten me to what the device name IS?
[02-Jul-2007 19:14:55] <scrip> is there I reason I can't seem to set it when I add the device?
[02-Jul-2007 19:15:17] <scrip> does it have to be a resolvable host name as long as I set a management IP address?
[02-Jul-2007 19:15:44] <chowmeined> i dont know..
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[02-Jul-2007 20:13:25] <markl_> for paging, my phone company has an email address i can use - how do i configure this in zenoss?
[02-Jul-2007 20:13:38] <markl_> snpp seems to be a little bit on the useless side these days, unless i'm missing something
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[02-Jul-2007 22:02:33] <solarce> cluther: !!!!
[02-Jul-2007 22:04:05] <cluther> solarce: Hi. =}
[02-Jul-2007 22:04:21] <solarce> cluther: I subscribed to ur delicious feed
[02-Jul-2007 22:04:59] <cluther> cluther: Feed? I didn't know I had such a thing.
[02-Jul-2007 22:07:04] <solarce> sorry, i was thinking of creiht
[02-Jul-2007 22:07:05] <solarce> :(
[02-Jul-2007 22:07:55] <cluther> solarce: That's okay. I don't mind being mistaken for creiht.
[02-Jul-2007 22:09:00] <cluther> solarce: What is his blog address anyway?
[02-Jul-2007 22:09:28] <solarce> dunno
[02-Jul-2007 22:09:32] <solarce> just his delicious
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[02-Jul-2007 22:10:14] <solarce> :>
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[03-Jul-2007 00:41:05] <hid3> Hello everyone. I've instaled zenoss and added a linux server to monitor. However, I don't see any graphs, uptime and dik used/free space are displayed as 'unknown'. What's wrong? Looked through the documentation but found no solution for that... Any ideas? Thanks.
[03-Jul-2007 00:50:57] <hid3> Hello... anybody here?
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[03-Jul-2007 01:14:06] <hid3> Hello everyone. I've instaled zenoss and added a linux server to monitor. However, I don't see any graphs, uptime and dik used/free space are displayed as 'unknown'. What's wrong? Looked through the documentation but found no solution for that... Any ideas? Thanks.
[03-Jul-2007 01:24:01] <hid3> Seems like a botnet
[03-Jul-2007 01:24:06] <hid3> ok, I'll try once more:
[03-Jul-2007 01:24:09] <hid3> Hello everyone. I've instaled zenoss and added a linux server to monitor. However, I don't see any graphs, uptime and dik used/free space are displayed as 'unknown'. What's wrong? Looked through the documentation but found no solution for that... Any ideas? Thanks.
[03-Jul-2007 01:34:15] <kompressor> hid3, do you have snmp installed on your server
[03-Jul-2007 02:03:29] <hid3> sure
[03-Jul-2007 02:03:48] <hid3> well, actually it was on localhost
[03-Jul-2007 02:04:18] <hid3> minutes ago I added one more server (linux), I see correct snmp requests/replies, however, the result is still the same.
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[03-Jul-2007 08:09:10] <Bulwinkle> cluther: good morning
[03-Jul-2007 08:12:35] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Good morning. Sorry I didn't get back to you yesterday. I tried to reproduce your problem, but got swept up in other things.
[03-Jul-2007 08:12:55] <cluther> Bulwinkle: I wasn't able to make my install throw up a blank page when adding a device unfortunately.
[03-Jul-2007 08:13:05] <Bulwinkle> cluther: No problem.... What do you think a reinstall of the RPM might do?
[03-Jul-2007 08:16:55] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Not too much. You'd have to erase the existing RPM first, and that's not a good idea.
[03-Jul-2007 08:17:03] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Did you try to remove all of the changes we made?
[03-Jul-2007 08:19:46] <Bulwinkle> cluther: The only change I remember making was the edit of the InterfaceMap.py
[03-Jul-2007 08:20:21] <Bulwinkle> cluther: should I remove the ZenPack too?
[03-Jul-2007 08:20:56] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Yes. After you remove it, make sure that the $ZENHOME/Products/MyCustomPack directory is gone too.
[03-Jul-2007 08:22:31] <Bulwinkle> cluther: It won't let me delete the ZenPack from the GUI
[03-Jul-2007 08:23:18] <cluther> What's the error?
[03-Jul-2007 08:25:22] <Bulwinkle> No error, just doesn't go away
[03-Jul-2007 08:27:01] <Bulwinkle> cluther: shrug?
[03-Jul-2007 08:28:34] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Try going to /zport/dmd/packs/manage_main
[03-Jul-2007 08:28:44] <cluther> Bulwinkle: See if you can remove it there.
[03-Jul-2007 08:29:53] <Bulwinkle> cluther: alrighty... Houston, we have a problem....
[03-Jul-2007 08:29:55] <cluther> Bulwinkle: That would be the part of the URL after :8080.. not a file system directory.
[03-Jul-2007 08:32:51] <Bulwinkle> cluther: Okay, got it.... I Moved the SeparateVLAN to back it up (instead of cp)... (OOPS)
[03-Jul-2007 08:33:38] <Bulwinkle> cluther: thats the good news... the bad news is that I still can't add a device
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[03-Jul-2007 08:37:43] <cluther> Bulwinkle: So the ZenPack is gone, and it's directory is gone?
[03-Jul-2007 08:38:09] <cluther> Bulwinkle: The directory needs to be somewhere outside of the Products directory so that Zope won't pick it up.
[03-Jul-2007 08:38:18] <Bulwinkle> cluther: yeppers... its in /root
[03-Jul-2007 08:38:31] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Okay, then restart zenoss and try adding a device again.
[03-Jul-2007 08:42:12] <Bulwinkle> cluther: no go....
[03-Jul-2007 08:44:03] <cluther> Bulwinkle: hmm.. you could try upgrading to the 2.0.1 RPM. http://dev.zenoss.org/downloads/zenoss-2.0.1-0.el4.i386.rpm
[03-Jul-2007 08:47:05] <Bulwinkle> cluther: should work fine with fc6?
[03-Jul-2007 08:48:45] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Which RPM do you have installed now?
[03-Jul-2007 08:49:51] <Bulwinkle> el5
[03-Jul-2007 08:50:24] <cluther> ok, hold off on that. They haven't put the el5 RPM out for 2.0.1 quite yet.
[03-Jul-2007 08:50:38] <cluther> cluther: The dependencies are a bit different.
[03-Jul-2007 08:50:43] * Bulwinkle shakes his fist at the zenoss gods
[03-Jul-2007 08:52:16] <Bulwinkle> cluther: I'm going to do a clean install once I move zenoss to production. I'd like to run it on SuSE... any gotchas? I'd really rather build from source too....
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[03-Jul-2007 08:54:35] <cluther> Bulwinkle: There are people running on SuSE. Upgrades tend to be a bit smoother with the RPM install method. Why would you rather build from source?
[03-Jul-2007 08:56:30] <Bulwinkle> cluther: so if the developers come out with a quick fix for some problem I am having I don't have to wait for an RPM
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[03-Jul-2007 08:56:40] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Fair enough.
[03-Jul-2007 08:58:03] <Bulwinkle> cluther: I'm kind of anal like that....
[03-Jul-2007 09:09:22] <Bulwinkle> cluther: since I am planning on buying support once I go prod
[03-Jul-2007 09:15:56] <Bulwinkle> cluther: maybe taking a class too
[03-Jul-2007 09:16:08] <Bulwinkle> cluther: how often are the classes held?
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[03-Jul-2007 09:49:15] <Bulwinkle> Why is everyone dropping?>
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[03-Jul-2007 10:36:06] <Bulwinkle> cluther: I just applied for that open position at ZenOSS :)
[03-Jul-2007 10:36:23] <creiht> Bulwinkle: Wohooo!
[03-Jul-2007 10:36:23] <creiht> :)
[03-Jul-2007 10:36:31] <creiht> Bulwinkle: Good luck!
[03-Jul-2007 10:36:51] <MoreDakka_> Bulwinkle: dev position? (haven't looked as you can tell)
[03-Jul-2007 10:36:53] <Bulwinkle> Heheh... Thanks... The 40% travel probably wont sit well with my wife....
[03-Jul-2007 10:37:17] <Bulwinkle> MoreDakka_: no, looks like an implementation consultant
[03-Jul-2007 10:39:06] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Where are you located?
[03-Jul-2007 10:39:30] <MoreDakka_> Bulwinkle: well good luck :-D
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[03-Jul-2007 11:02:59] <Bulwinkle> cluther: Think I should wait until 2.0.1 comes out for EL5 to fix the problem?
[03-Jul-2007 11:04:38] <MoreDakka_> Here is a fun fun question. Can a system be put on Maintenance from 1-4am every day to suppress alerts while the system does a reboot or whatever at the time?
[03-Jul-2007 11:04:49] <cluther> Bulwinkle: It must be something simple.. after all, it didn't used to happen.
[03-Jul-2007 11:05:02] <Bulwinkle> cluther: not until you broke it ;)
[03-Jul-2007 11:05:05] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Could you try adding a device again, then looking in $ZENHOME/log/zenhub.log for errors?
[03-Jul-2007 11:05:15] <cluther> Bulwinkle: I only told you how to break it. :)
[03-Jul-2007 11:05:28] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Under the guise of helping.
[03-Jul-2007 11:05:37] <Bulwinkle> cluther: well, I certainly follow instructions well
[03-Jul-2007 11:05:45] <cluther> Bulwinkle: I can't believe you fell for it! =}
[03-Jul-2007 11:06:33] <Bulwinkle> cluther: You'd think I'd know better
[03-Jul-2007 11:07:34] <Bulwinkle> cluther: tail of zenhub.log has several entries of WARNING: zenhub: removing listener (from today at 7:44:31)
[03-Jul-2007 11:08:00] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Nothing around the time you were adding devices?
[03-Jul-2007 11:08:10] <Bulwinkle> cluther: nopers
[03-Jul-2007 11:08:50] <cluther> Bulwinkle: How about the zenmodeler.log file?
[03-Jul-2007 11:10:12] <Bulwinkle> cluther: tons of stuff in there.... Nothing with the IP address of the device I tried to add
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[03-Jul-2007 11:13:27] <MoreDakka_> cluther: in 2.0 (or future) will Zenoss have an option to use the Informant, WMI or neither to gather snmp cpu and memory stats from windows boxes? It would be nice to not have to install anything on the servers by default then if you want to have more detailed monitoring then put in the informant or wmi.
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[03-Jul-2007 11:27:26] <Bulwinkle> MoreDakka_: you can always have different groups that poll things differently to separate WMI/SNMP/NONE polling'
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[03-Jul-2007 11:55:14] <MoreDakka_> Bulwinkle: I guess the problem is that every other monitoring system out there will monitor windows boxes without any installing of 3rd party mibs or programs by default.
[03-Jul-2007 11:56:27] <Bulwinkle> MoreDakka_: Looks like ZenOSS Enterprise version will do it
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[03-Jul-2007 12:27:01] <MoreDakka_> Here is a fun fun question. Can a system be put on Maintenance from 1-4am every day to suppress alerts while the system does a reboot or whatever at the time?
[03-Jul-2007 12:27:48] <MoreDakka_> nevermind. found it....
[03-Jul-2007 12:27:51] <MoreDakka_> <- blind sometimes
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[03-Jul-2007 12:34:41] <solarce> MoreDakka_: you should put up a bounty for a zenoss component that can do windows performance monitoring with no extra components installed on the windows servers
[03-Jul-2007 12:37:37] <MoreDakka_> solarce: put up a bounty?
[03-Jul-2007 12:37:49] <solarce> MoreDakka_: yeah
[03-Jul-2007 12:37:58] <MoreDakka_> What do you mean?
[03-Jul-2007 12:38:19] <solarce> MoreDakka_: offer $ for someone to write it
[03-Jul-2007 12:39:27] <MoreDakka_> Ahhh, it's just odd that wouldn't be in the software by default. I have found the OIDs to read the cpu from windows without the informant but the memory usage requires a calculation to get it working and zenoss can't do that (yet)
[03-Jul-2007 12:39:39] <MoreDakka_> If I had money to pay someone I probably could ask for that ;-)
[03-Jul-2007 12:42:06] <bmunger> so how exactly do i setup zenoss to monitor if specific unix processes are running
[03-Jul-2007 12:47:14] <cluther> bmunger: Take a look at section 11.4 of the 2.0 admin guide. It explains how process monitoring works. It is the same for Windows or *nix.
[03-Jul-2007 12:48:29] <bmunger> thank you
[03-Jul-2007 12:50:13] <bmunger> looks like i can only set processes for all boxes not per specific machines
[03-Jul-2007 12:51:16] <cluther> bmunger: It works per machine. The modeling phase actually figures out which processes are running on which devices.
[03-Jul-2007 12:51:35] <cluther> bmunger: You can then choose to globally monitor (or not monitor) a process, or define it at the per-device level.
[03-Jul-2007 12:51:55] <bmunger> oh cool
[03-Jul-2007 12:52:07] <solarce> MoreDakka_: obviously other features take a higher priority
[03-Jul-2007 12:52:13] <bmunger> how is a remodel done?
[03-Jul-2007 12:52:34] <cluther> bmunger: From a device, click the page menu, Manage, Model..
[03-Jul-2007 12:52:45] <bmunger> thanks again
[03-Jul-2007 12:53:06] <cluther> solarce: Not really.. native WMI perf counter polling is a very high priority. This would address MoreDakka's issue.
[03-Jul-2007 12:53:51] <solarce> cluther: I know, but my point is, other things came first
[03-Jul-2007 12:54:33] <cluther> solarce: I can't argue with that. I think network device and Linux monitoring were higher priorities out of the gate.
[03-Jul-2007 12:54:37] <bmunger> so is there a way to add a tab to show the processes being monitoried on a specific box?
[03-Jul-2007 12:54:57] <cluther> bmunger: Processes are listed on the OS tab.
[03-Jul-2007 12:55:19] <bmunger> oops i was looking at the software, thanks!
[03-Jul-2007 12:56:00] <bmunger> great software
[03-Jul-2007 12:56:15] <solarce> bmunger: I agree!
[03-Jul-2007 12:57:45] <MoreDakka_> cluther: This software would be near perfect if it could do that (ther other thing would be a much easier way to customize reports)
[03-Jul-2007 13:00:32] <cluther> MoreDakka_: Those are two things that are asked about an awful lot. The first one is easy, just requires a bit of time to write a proper plugin. The second one is hard and a major focus of our Enterprise product.
[03-Jul-2007 13:01:03] <cluther> MoreDakka_: On the other hand. Once you do a few good reports it becomes much easier and VERY powerful.
[03-Jul-2007 13:03:47] <MoreDakka_> I have always found that coding something by had is always better but takes a long time to learn and master the code...that's the problem that I'm having with the current reporting system, I just can't wrap my head around how it all works :(
[03-Jul-2007 13:03:49] <MoreDakka_> If in the Maintenance Window I set the "Start Production State" to Maintenance, the alerts that I have that only search for Production devices will not report on that device, correct? Then when the timer is complete (Duration = 3 hours) and the Stop Production State sets the box back to Production so all the alerts apply again, correct?
[03-Jul-2007 13:07:20] <bmunger> is it possible to reset the zenoss shell account password without causing problems.. i need to use it for mailing alerts
[03-Jul-2007 13:09:58] <bmunger> nm
[03-Jul-2007 13:11:07] <cluther> MoreDakka_: Your explanation of maintenance windows is correct.
[03-Jul-2007 13:11:18] <MoreDakka_> Awesome, thanks cluther :-D
[03-Jul-2007 13:14:58] <cluther> MoreDakka_: Maybe you could use a better starting place for your report creation.
[03-Jul-2007 13:16:45] <MoreDakka_> cluther: what do you mean? I've tried examining all the reports that are in by default to see if I can grasp the language used but no go. Should I start learning how to code in python? That might be a better place to start?
[03-Jul-2007 13:17:49] <cluther> MoreDakka_: You will need to know some python in order to properly populated the "objects" variable that is used as the data for the report, but there are a lot of other speedbumps along the way.
[03-Jul-2007 13:18:30] <MoreDakka_> :-/ Oh well, I'll try my best to try to figure this out. ;-)
[03-Jul-2007 13:19:39] <MoreDakka_> Will ease of reporting end up in Core or is that just Enterprise?
[03-Jul-2007 13:22:35] <cluther> MoreDakka_: Not sure yet. I emailed you some info to get you helped on reports.
[03-Jul-2007 13:25:01] <MoreDakka_> Awesome, thanks. But what email addy did you use?
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[03-Jul-2007 13:33:49] <MoreDakka_> Ah, got it. Thanks cluther!!!
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[03-Jul-2007 13:58:28] <MoreDakka_> cluther: will this example of a custom report work with v1.1.1?
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[03-Jul-2007 15:05:39] <Bulwinkle> cluther: any other ideas on things for me to try?
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[03-Jul-2007 17:06:27] <MoreDakka_> Can anyone tell me why zenoss is chewing up 98% cpu cycle? "21358 zenoss 15 0 187m 138m 4344 S 98.7 13.7 130:07.76 python2.4"
[03-Jul-2007 17:08:21] <MoreDakka_> That pid == zopectl
[03-Jul-2007 17:08:43] <MoreDakka_> I'm going to have to try to restart the process.
[03-Jul-2007 17:15:15] <MoreDakka_> well a restart of all the zenoss processes fixed that issue. Are there any log files that I can look through to find out why it was beating my server down?
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[03-Jul-2007 17:33:22] * |__rb__| says hi to the room
[03-Jul-2007 17:34:16] <|__rb__|> I have Zenoss installed on Linux machine, having trouble pulling snmp performance graphs for Windows boxes, can anyone, thanks
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[03-Jul-2007 17:42:27] <|__rb__|> anyone?
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[03-Jul-2007 18:15:56] <|__rb__|> Bueller? Bueller?
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[03-Jul-2007 18:17:48] <MoreDakka_> I won't be of much help but what are you looking for?
[03-Jul-2007 18:18:34] <|__rb__|> just trying to graph the cpu mem performance for windows, but it won't show, works ok on linux machines and router and such, but no performance graphs for windows
[03-Jul-2007 18:19:15] <MoreDakka_> Ooo...I can help ;-)
[03-Jul-2007 18:19:19] <solarce> haha
[03-Jul-2007 18:19:20] <solarce> MoreDakka_: ;)
[03-Jul-2007 18:19:25] <MoreDakka_> You need the SNMP Informant.
[03-Jul-2007 18:19:26] <|__rb__|> kewl
[03-Jul-2007 18:19:32] <|__rb__|> I have it already installed
[03-Jul-2007 18:19:33] <MoreDakka_> installed on the windows machine
[03-Jul-2007 18:19:36] <MoreDakka_> uhh...hmmm
[03-Jul-2007 18:19:54] <solarce> does snmp informant have any ACL settings?
[03-Jul-2007 18:19:54] <|__rb__|> yep, that's what I say
[03-Jul-2007 18:20:01] <|__rb__|> not that Iknow of,
[03-Jul-2007 18:20:09] <MoreDakka_> I'm assuming all the basic stuff is good like your community and such.
[03-Jul-2007 18:20:13] <|__rb__|> I just setup which ip's for server it can be pulled and the community name
[03-Jul-2007 18:20:16] <|__rb__|> yep
[03-Jul-2007 18:20:27] <MoreDakka_> firewalls?
[03-Jul-2007 18:20:31] <solarce> well, solar flares are unusually high today
[03-Jul-2007 18:20:34] <MoreDakka_> haha
[03-Jul-2007 18:20:43] <MoreDakka_> aren't the planets aligning too?
[03-Jul-2007 18:20:45] <|__rb__|> nope
[03-Jul-2007 18:20:54] <solarce> your polarity may have been reversed
[03-Jul-2007 18:21:00] <MoreDakka_> haha
[03-Jul-2007 18:21:01] <|__rb__|> I can try to reinstall, but I don't think it'll help
[03-Jul-2007 18:21:10] <|__rb__|> solarce!!! :)
[03-Jul-2007 18:21:28] <MoreDakka_> What happens when you try to Collect Configuration?
[03-Jul-2007 18:23:04] <|__rb__|> the configuration get's collected ok, everything seems toshow ok under the os tab, but no graphs display under perf
[03-Jul-2007 18:23:18] <MoreDakka> How long have you let it sit?
[03-Jul-2007 18:23:29] <MoreDakka> I've been told like 15-20 minutes.
[03-Jul-2007 18:23:32] <|__rb__|> by now, couple weeks :)
[03-Jul-2007 18:23:36] <MoreDakka> haha
[03-Jul-2007 18:23:39] <MoreDakka> hmmm
[03-Jul-2007 18:23:43] <|__rb__|> ya
[03-Jul-2007 18:23:45] <MoreDakka> too long....you messed it up
[03-Jul-2007 18:23:47] <MoreDakka> haha
[03-Jul-2007 18:23:54] <|__rb__|> hehhe
[03-Jul-2007 18:24:10] <MoreDakka> well, no idea. The Informant was my only smart answer
[03-Jul-2007 18:24:31] <|__rb__|> it's crazy, as much as I don't like windows, they are giving me the most trouble :)
[03-Jul-2007 18:24:45] <|__rb__|> maybe I'll try to uninstall and reinstall snmp as well as informant,
[03-Jul-2007 18:25:03] <MoreDakka> that might be your best bet...or try WMI (I've never tried it).
[03-Jul-2007 18:25:05] <|__rb__|> I've done some searches on the net, seems like the informant is a good solution for this type of stuff
[03-Jul-2007 18:25:11] <|__rb__|> ya,
[03-Jul-2007 18:25:34] <|__rb__|> I think i have to upgrade to the 2.0 version and also upgrade samba to be able to dothe WMI pulls
[03-Jul-2007 18:28:42] <MoreDakka> or use a 2nd windows box other than your zenoss box. what v of zenoss are you running?
[03-Jul-2007 18:29:37] <|__rb__|> it's 1.1.2
[03-Jul-2007 18:30:13] <MoreDakka> I'm one back from you. I'm waiting for 2.1 before upgrading (has the features I'm looking for). My day is done, have a good evening.
[03-Jul-2007 18:31:40] <|__rb__|> thank you foryour help, enjoy
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[03-Jul-2007 21:59:17] <jeisenberg4925> i have been using zenoss for a while. i was wondering how to update via the trunk. can someone tell me if that will be effective to go from 2.0.0 to 2.0.1?
[03-Jul-2007 22:01:10] <jeisenberg4925> anyone?
[03-Jul-2007 22:11:24] <bzed> 2.0.1 was released, you shoudl be able to ugrade it as usually
[03-Jul-2007 22:11:27] <bzed> no need for svn
[03-Jul-2007 22:12:03] <bzed> but.. I don;t have any real clue about that, I'm only working on packages for debian
[03-Jul-2007 22:13:25] <jeisenberg4925> i am using centos and had a bad experience just upgrading an hour ago. at least i backed up the old instance before the upgrade. it failed on zenwin and some python deps (i think)
[03-Jul-2007 22:15:58] <jeisenberg4925> i guess i will read more in the forums in the next few days. i am sure i am not the only one with the issues.
[03-Jul-2007 22:16:01] <jeisenberg4925> :)
[03-Jul-2007 22:16:05] <jeisenberg4925> night folks
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[04-Jul-2007 05:01:40] <Darkfang> hi
[04-Jul-2007 05:03:12] <Darkfang> anyone alive?
[04-Jul-2007 05:03:42] <jsegura> yep
[04-Jul-2007 05:05:27] <Darkfang> i've installed zenoss a few days ago. It's working great
[04-Jul-2007 05:05:35] <Darkfang> but i'd like to add some functionnality
[04-Jul-2007 05:05:50] <Darkfang> the fact is i'm new to python and specially to zope
[04-Jul-2007 05:06:13] <Darkfang> so i'm still trying to understand how zope, zeo and the python scripts are working together
[04-Jul-2007 05:06:38] <Darkfang> do you know where i can find something helpful about it?
[04-Jul-2007 05:18:17] <Darkfang> it seems not ^^
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[04-Jul-2007 05:40:08] <jsegura> sorry
[04-Jul-2007 05:40:10] <jsegura> i was on breakfast time
[04-Jul-2007 05:40:14] <jsegura> I can't help you, I'm in the same situation as you
[04-Jul-2007 05:51:12] <Darkfang> k ^^
[04-Jul-2007 05:51:26] <Darkfang> i'm trying to navigate in the "manage" interface of zope
[04-Jul-2007 05:51:38] <Darkfang> but i don't understand much ^^
[04-Jul-2007 06:09:11] <Darkfang> yeahhh did it :p
[04-Jul-2007 06:09:26] <Darkfang> manage to add a button in the device menu bar :p
[04-Jul-2007 06:50:10] <Darkfang> who should be contacted for bug correcting?
[04-Jul-2007 06:59:51] <jsegura> maybe the bug page in sourceforge
[04-Jul-2007 06:59:59] <jsegura> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=826503&group_id=163126&func=browse
[04-Jul-2007 06:59:59] <adytum-bot> Title: SourceForge.net: Bugs (at sourceforge.net)
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[04-Jul-2007 16:45:07] <MoreDakka> quiet in here today.
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[04-Jul-2007 20:24:02] <thedude42> having trouble with alerts.. i can send test e mails, but for the life of me i can't get an alert to send when an event occurs
[04-Jul-2007 20:25:03] <creiht> thedude42: Do you have a delay set for the alert?
[04-Jul-2007 20:25:17] <thedude42> one one test alert yes, on another one no
[04-Jul-2007 20:26:05] <thedude42> i assume it's not necessary to restart the zenaction daemon after each update to an alert rule
[04-Jul-2007 20:26:13] <creiht> you shouldn't have to
[04-Jul-2007 20:26:28] <creiht> thedude42: I would check your zenaction.log for any errors first
[04-Jul-2007 20:27:01] <thedude42> right, that's what's bugging me... zenaction seems to think it has nothing to do at all
[04-Jul-2007 20:27:08] <thedude42> endless list of processing 0 jobs
[04-Jul-2007 20:27:12] <creiht> hrmm
[04-Jul-2007 20:28:18] <thedude42> my understanding of the alert system is that it requires an activation window in order to schedule monitoring
[04-Jul-2007 20:28:19] <creiht> How long ago did you add the alerts?
[04-Jul-2007 20:28:41] <creiht> activation window?
[04-Jul-2007 20:28:42] <thedude42> the original one was created last week, this one i created about an hour ago for testing
[04-Jul-2007 20:28:48] <creiht> ahh
[04-Jul-2007 20:29:13] <creiht> Unfortunately I'm not at work today so I don't have access to my zenoss install
[04-Jul-2007 20:29:22] <thedude42> sorry... active period, not activationw indow
[04-Jul-2007 20:29:26] <creiht> ahh
[04-Jul-2007 20:29:41] <creiht> Are you sure all the other criteria are met?
[04-Jul-2007 20:29:57] <creiht> Like check the level of the event that is happening
[04-Jul-2007 20:30:07] <creiht> and compare that to what level it will alert on
[04-Jul-2007 20:30:42] <thedude42> yup, positive... i even elevated the severity of the service i'm using to test in order to guarantee it meets the minimum for default alert settings
[04-Jul-2007 20:32:02] <thedude42> hm
[04-Jul-2007 20:32:11] <thedude42> is the zenactions config file supposed to be blank?
[04-Jul-2007 20:32:29] <creiht> thedude42: I don't think that would cause a problem
[04-Jul-2007 20:32:35] <creiht> I think mine is blank as well
[04-Jul-2007 20:32:56] <thedude42> i'm noticing that most of the daemon configs are blank, so i assume that's only for debugging or other non standard configs
[04-Jul-2007 20:33:10] <creiht> yeah
[04-Jul-2007 20:36:13] <thedude42> zenoss has to be using it's own mail client, because my mail logs aren't showing anything for the successful test messages
[04-Jul-2007 20:36:13] <creiht> thedude42: You might try running zenaction manually while the service is down and set verbose logging to see if it revels anything
[04-Jul-2007 20:36:38] <creiht> something like:
[04-Jul-2007 20:36:54] <creiht> zenaction run -v10
[04-Jul-2007 20:37:04] <creiht> That is off the top of my head
[04-Jul-2007 20:38:44] <thedude42> hm
[04-Jul-2007 20:39:05] <thedude42> root@abydos:/usr/local/zenoss/bin# zenactions run -v10
[04-Jul-2007 20:39:05] <thedude42> DEBUG:zen.ZenActions:loading action rules for:zenwin
[04-Jul-2007 20:39:05] <thedude42> DEBUG:zen.ZenActions:loading action rules for:zenoss
[04-Jul-2007 20:39:16] <creiht> hmm
[04-Jul-2007 20:39:18] <thedude42> so, the 2 users i added are there
[04-Jul-2007 20:39:27] <thedude42> but it's not loading the actions for admin
[04-Jul-2007 20:39:54] <thedude42> which would make sense that it's not processing any jobs, because i added nothing for these users
[04-Jul-2007 20:47:02] <thedude42> ok, now the log has something
[04-Jul-2007 20:47:48] <thedude42> haha.. my phone can't handle the messahe
[04-Jul-2007 20:47:51] <thedude42> message
[04-Jul-2007 20:47:58] <thedude42> ok, that answers that question
[04-Jul-2007 20:48:03] <creiht> ahh
[04-Jul-2007 20:48:04] <creiht> hehe
[04-Jul-2007 20:48:05] <creiht> good
[04-Jul-2007 20:48:22] <thedude42> i mean, what's up with aenaction not processing the admin alert rules
[04-Jul-2007 20:48:30] <thedude42> i'd think that would be a default action
[04-Jul-2007 20:48:47] <creiht> thedude42: That is a good question... I'm not sure
[04-Jul-2007 20:50:17] <thedude42> well, i'll accept it as is since it's pretty trivial to create new uersers
[04-Jul-2007 20:50:22] <thedude42> users
[04-Jul-2007 20:50:47] <thedude42> but my understanding of the alerting schedule is a bit murky....
[04-Jul-2007 20:51:28] <thedude42> is it that, you set the start day and start hour, and then set the duration for a window of time beginnign at the start time....
[04-Jul-2007 20:51:54] <thedude42> and then you choose the repeat to determin when exactly that window will be honored on subsequent days?
[04-Jul-2007 20:52:35] <creiht> thedude42: I haven't used that part yet
[04-Jul-2007 20:52:39] <creiht> So I'm not sure
[04-Jul-2007 20:52:50] <creiht> I unfortunately have to get pages 24hrs a day
[04-Jul-2007 20:54:13] <thedude42> well, i'll find out tomorrow then
[04-Jul-2007 20:54:30] <thedude42> i cleaned up the message format and the text message came though
[04-Jul-2007 20:55:16] <thedude42> i don't think it liked the URL's
[04-Jul-2007 20:57:15] <thedude42> have you ever noticed that if a host status goes down, ip services for the host still read as being up?
[04-Jul-2007 20:59:54] <creiht> host status?
[04-Jul-2007 21:00:40] <thedude42> right, like <device x> is down type of status
[04-Jul-2007 21:00:44] <creiht> ahh
[04-Jul-2007 21:00:46] <creiht> hrmm
[04-Jul-2007 21:00:52] <creiht> I haven't seen that problem
[04-Jul-2007 21:00:59] <creiht> Though I haven't upgraded to 2.0 yet
[04-Jul-2007 21:01:09] <thedude42> i mean, it makes sense that a host being seen as completely down overrides any other monitoring
[04-Jul-2007 21:01:38] <thedude42> ah, well... this is my first take at zenoss, starting with 2.0
[04-Jul-2007 21:02:09] <thedude42> spent a whole week messing with the WMI components, and they aren't working at all
[04-Jul-2007 21:02:31] <creiht> I've heard that the WMI stuff can be a bit of a pain
[04-Jul-2007 21:02:34] <thedude42> bugs me that in the release notes it claims that they rely on samba 4 components
[04-Jul-2007 21:02:43] <creiht> There are a coupld of guys here that have done it succesfully
[04-Jul-2007 21:02:51] <creiht> I would check back tomorrow after the holidays
[04-Jul-2007 21:02:51] <thedude42> on 2.0?
[04-Jul-2007 21:02:53] <creiht> yeah
[04-Jul-2007 21:03:05] <creiht> I remember them talking about it
[04-Jul-2007 21:03:16] <creiht> Unfortunately I don't remember who
[04-Jul-2007 21:03:29] <creiht> Though if you see cluther on, he can probably help
[04-Jul-2007 21:03:31] <thedude42> yeah, will have to do that.... as far as i know, you don't use a windows proxy for it anymore
[04-Jul-2007 21:03:53] <creiht> right
[04-Jul-2007 21:04:45] <thedude42> i saw something about winexe
[04-Jul-2007 21:05:13] <thedude42> but i'm not that familiar with python to go experimenting
[04-Jul-2007 21:05:55] <creiht> have you read this
[04-Jul-2007 21:06:02] <creiht> http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/howtos/guide-to-setting-up-zenwin/
[04-Jul-2007 21:06:02] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[04-Jul-2007 21:06:02] <thedude42> yup
[04-Jul-2007 21:06:28] <thedude42> that's still with a windows wmi proxy
[04-Jul-2007 21:06:34] <creiht> oh
[04-Jul-2007 21:06:35] <creiht> hehe
[04-Jul-2007 21:06:44] <thedude42> took me 3 days to figure that out
[04-Jul-2007 21:06:49] <creiht> doh
[04-Jul-2007 21:06:55] <creiht> that stinks... sorry man
[04-Jul-2007 21:06:57] <thedude42> then another 3 days to reconcile that i wasn't going to get it to work
[04-Jul-2007 21:07:05] <creiht> Someone needs to clean that stuff up
[04-Jul-2007 21:07:27] <thedude42> eh, i can't complain, the package still does way more than i could ask for for free
[04-Jul-2007 21:07:44] <thedude42> without having to do a manual nagios configuration
[04-Jul-2007 21:07:59] <creiht> hehe
[04-Jul-2007 21:08:05] <creiht> yeah it is a great product
[04-Jul-2007 21:08:13] <creiht> A couple of rough edges still
[04-Jul-2007 21:08:19] <creiht> but I expect for those to get better
[04-Jul-2007 21:08:46] <creiht> I've been using it since the first betas, and I have been surprised how quickly they have added new functionality
[04-Jul-2007 21:10:19] <thedude42> i assume they are working harder on getting a polished product than user documentation
[04-Jul-2007 21:10:30] <creiht> hehe
[04-Jul-2007 21:11:12] <creiht> Documentation is always a tough thing
[04-Jul-2007 21:11:20] <creiht> No matter if you are open or closed soruce
[04-Jul-2007 21:11:28] <creiht> I do know that they know it is a problem
[04-Jul-2007 21:11:34] <creiht> And they want to work on it
[04-Jul-2007 21:12:06] <creiht> And it is probably one of the most commonly asked enhancements now :)
[04-Jul-2007 21:12:27] <thedude42> documentation?
[04-Jul-2007 21:12:32] <creiht> yeah
[04-Jul-2007 21:14:56] <thedude42> are you getting my pm's?
[04-Jul-2007 21:15:08] <creiht> thedude42: no
[04-Jul-2007 21:15:13] <thedude42> bleh
[04-Jul-2007 21:15:16] <creiht> hehe
[04-Jul-2007 21:15:17] <thedude42> not registered
[04-Jul-2007 21:15:19] <creiht> yeah
[04-Jul-2007 21:15:34] <creiht> oh well :)
[04-Jul-2007 21:16:29] <thedude42> now i'm getting errors for the clear message...
[04-Jul-2007 21:16:34] <thedude42> wtf
[04-Jul-2007 21:19:17] <thedude42> ok, there we go
[04-Jul-2007 21:19:36] <thedude42> note for the future: 2.0 has a bad default message string for clear messages
[04-Jul-2007 21:19:59] <creiht> hehe... I had set my own anyways :)
[04-Jul-2007 21:20:11] <creiht> Which part causes problems?
[04-Jul-2007 21:20:48] <thedude42> not sure, i think it's the severity
[04-Jul-2007 21:20:54] <creiht> ahh
[04-Jul-2007 21:20:56] <creiht> interesting
[04-Jul-2007 21:21:13] <thedude42> WARNING zen.ZenActions: SELECT clear.device,clear.message,clear.firstTime,clear.summary,clear.severity FROM history clear,
[04-Jul-2007 21:21:16] <creiht> If you can isolate the problem, I would recommend submitting a bug
[04-Jul-2007 21:21:34] <creiht> Or just submit a bug with that warning :)
[04-Jul-2007 21:21:49] <thedude42> i saw some stuff about it on google, i think it's a known issue
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[05-Jul-2007 00:12:15] -adytum-bot- New Blog/News Feed: Advogato blog for oubiwann - It's Been a Long Time - 03 Jul, 09:04PM
[05-Jul-2007 00:12:16] -adytum-bot- http://www.advogato.org/person/oubiwann/diary.html?start=139
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[05-Jul-2007 04:40:12] <jsegura> hi there
[05-Jul-2007 04:40:14] <jsegura> anyone alive?
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[05-Jul-2007 05:29:12] <Sz___> I'm trying to add a new performace graph. (for oid 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.13.16.2.1.3.1) I've made a new template, data source, datapoints and graph. What else do I have to do?
[05-Jul-2007 05:35:51] <Sz___> Binding it seems to be a good start
[05-Jul-2007 05:41:41] <Sz___> Restarted zenperfsnmp. Now I'm getting data in perf/
[05-Jul-2007 06:04:50] <Sz___> No, I'm getting rrd files with no data ion perf/
[05-Jul-2007 07:07:30] <jsegura> d
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[05-Jul-2007 07:08:03] <jsegura> anyone has played with zenhub or with remote mysql databases in 2.0.x ?
[05-Jul-2007 07:08:31] <jsegura> I'm trying to deploy a centralized monitoring system over my networks
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[05-Jul-2007 08:11:03] <aitayemi> hello
[05-Jul-2007 08:11:08] <aitayemi> anybody online?
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[05-Jul-2007 08:54:52] <Bulwinkle> aitayemi: I'm here
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[05-Jul-2007 10:58:22] <Bulwinkle> cluther: is there a package out for 2.0.1 for el5?
[05-Jul-2007 11:08:06] <jeisenberg> the one that is out will not work because it does not install the python libraries for zenwin.
[05-Jul-2007 11:08:25] <jeisenberg> (unless they fixed it)
[05-Jul-2007 11:18:41] <Bulwinkle> My ZenOSS install is hosed... it won't let me add new devices....
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[05-Jul-2007 11:38:25] <rodeoclown> When I create a new process to get monitored, for example I'm trying to monitor some bacula processes that start out like /usr/sbin/bacula-dir, after saving the new process, it makes the / into underscores, but the process counts never show up or get picked up, anything in particular I'm doing wrong?
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[05-Jul-2007 11:53:31] <jeisenberg> Bulwinkle - I got lucky as I backed up my original instance. Did anyone here answer you with a place to download the missing python libs?
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[05-Jul-2007 12:29:58] <MoreDakka> If I'm creating an rrd template where I create a graph that will show me all the cpus then an average as well would the cdef formula be " a,b,+,c,+,d,+,4,/ " ? It seems that it's off by about .5 of a %, not sure why
[05-Jul-2007 12:32:30] <rkagin> MoreDakka: It could be sampling rate - I read interesting things about RRDTool sampling every 4 minutes...
[05-Jul-2007 12:34:46] <MoreDakka> Hmm, possible. It's weird though, on the graph I have it showing all 4 cpus (example 7.71, 14.42, 9.71, 17.69 [avg-12.38]) RRD gives 10.86 as the avg... :-/
[05-Jul-2007 12:35:56] <MoreDakka> But you think that formula is correct?
[05-Jul-2007 12:38:04] <rkagin> MoreDakka: The formula follows the standard to my belief.
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[05-Jul-2007 12:44:39] <rkagin> MoreDakka: Try computing the sum and see if the formula returns the correct information.
[05-Jul-2007 12:45:01] <MoreDakka> ah, someone's thinking this morning ;-) good idea
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[05-Jul-2007 12:46:14] <weez> greetings, I was wondering if anyone knew if there are any patches floating around to allow LDAP authentication for zenoss 2.0? Thanks
[05-Jul-2007 12:46:23] <MoreDakka> Yeah the math is wrong.
[05-Jul-2007 12:47:10] <MoreDakka> RRD = 43.45 (7.81, 14.42, 9.72, 17.69), Calc = 49.64
[05-Jul-2007 12:47:40] <rkagin> Try putting out just the first value and see if they match.
[05-Jul-2007 12:48:27] <rkagin> weez: Did you check this out? http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/howtos/how-to-authenticate-via-ldap/
[05-Jul-2007 12:48:27] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss : Open Source Network & Systems Monitoring (at www.zenoss.com)
[05-Jul-2007 12:49:17] <rkagin> weez: It is currently blocked by this ticket: http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/ticket/1040 , so I don't think it will work until Zenoss 2.1.
[05-Jul-2007 12:49:24] <adytum-bot> Title: #1040 (Zenoss Cannot Authenticate Against LDAP Server) - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.com)
[05-Jul-2007 12:51:37] <weez> rkagin: thanks, i saw that ticket. I was wondering if anyone had any unofficial patches or anything that needed testing/verification
[05-Jul-2007 12:52:29] <rkagin> weez: Sorry, can't say I do.
[05-Jul-2007 12:52:57] <weez> rkagin: well if my customer decides to pay me to investigate, I will let you know if i generate any
[05-Jul-2007 12:53:28] <weez> rkagin: dont think that will happen now, but there is still a small hope
[05-Jul-2007 12:53:35] <rkagin> weez: Fair enough.
[05-Jul-2007 12:56:48] <MoreDakka> rkagin: on a couple of the cpus RRD seems to be returning the MAX as the LAST value (I don't know much about RRD templates, just learning now)
[05-Jul-2007 12:57:54] <rkagin> MoreDakka: It's ok, I have been learning about it as well. What's the definition of the entire RRD report?
[05-Jul-2007 12:58:07] <rkagin> MoreDakka: The command executed for RRDTool, in fact.
[05-Jul-2007 12:58:35] <MoreDakka> You want the whole thing?
[05-Jul-2007 12:58:51] <rkagin> MoreDakka: Pastebin it if you like.
[05-Jul-2007 12:59:15] <MoreDakka> pastebin.org right?
[05-Jul-2007 12:59:50] <rkagin> pastebin.com, pastebin.ca, whatever you choose.
[05-Jul-2007 13:01:43] <MoreDakka> It's being slow today...just a min.
[05-Jul-2007 13:03:33] <MoreDakka> http://moredakka.pastebin.com/942584
[05-Jul-2007 13:04:07] <rkagin> MoreDakka: Maybe pastebin.ca is faster...
[05-Jul-2007 13:07:25] <MoreDakka> rkagin: are you able to access that?
[05-Jul-2007 13:07:46] <rkagin> MoreDakka: It's fine, I accessed it, yes; I'm thinking that lines 15-18 need to have different names that you decide to reference them to.
[05-Jul-2007 13:08:32] <rkagin> MoreDakka: Oh wait, they're different files, same attribute...
[05-Jul-2007 13:08:33] <MoreDakka> like cpu1-4?
[05-Jul-2007 13:09:18] <rkagin> MoreDakka: CPU0 through CPU4 - those values are all accurate, but the formula you output is incorrect?
[05-Jul-2007 13:10:09] <MoreDakka> The result of the formula is incorrect
[05-Jul-2007 13:10:41] <rkagin> MoreDakka: But the result of the lines for a,b,c,d are correct?
[05-Jul-2007 13:12:07] <MoreDakka> Nope, if I have 'cdef=a' or 'cdef=b' it will return the proper values, if I have 'cdef=c' or 'cdef=d' it seems to have the same values for LAST(current) and MAX
[05-Jul-2007 13:13:16] <rkagin> MoreDakka: For c and d, you have lines 33 and 37 respectively saying AVERAGE, not LAST.
[05-Jul-2007 13:14:48] <rkagin> MoreDakka: So your value of "current" may not be correct, and your formula correct after all.
[05-Jul-2007 13:15:55] <MoreDakka> true...I'm just doing a check right now.
[05-Jul-2007 13:18:21] <MoreDakka> Nope, math is still out.
[05-Jul-2007 13:19:49] <rkagin> MoreDakka: The values changed though?
[05-Jul-2007 13:21:10] <MoreDakka> On the current values, that one is now correct but the min and the max are not (the math doesn't work for the formula), back to square 1 with correct values in the current for cpus c and d.
[05-Jul-2007 13:21:54] <rkagin> MoreDakka: My debug strategy would be to have cdefa be just a, then just b, c, and d, and see if it outputs the right values (you did this already, right? and does it output correctly?).
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[05-Jul-2007 13:23:40] <dislo> hey guys i have been recieving an email for the last day on the minute and i need some help figuring out why
[05-Jul-2007 13:23:58] <rodeoclown> what command do you use to force the remodel immediately after adding processes instead of waiting for the default 6 hour remodel, the manual doesn't explain this for 1.1
[05-Jul-2007 13:24:47] <MoreDakka> When I first did that it wasn't returning the same values in the graph. (as you can see by the RRD Command I have all 4 CPUs then the formula to give the averages). I'll go through that again to make sure.
[05-Jul-2007 13:27:04] <MoreDakka> So all the values are being returned properly now. I'm going to try part of the formula and see what happens. (a,b,+,4,/ ....etc...etc...)
[05-Jul-2007 13:30:00] <rkagin> MoreDakka: Let me know what happens.
[05-Jul-2007 13:30:19] <MoreDakka> It's not doing the addition on MIN properly (5.17+2.26=7.43, RRD=9.06)
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[05-Jul-2007 13:31:07] <MoreDakka> same with MAX (17.80+18.65=36.45, RRD=35.31)
[05-Jul-2007 13:31:09] <rkagin> So cdefa=a,b,+ isn't working?
[05-Jul-2007 13:31:34] <MoreDakka> a,b,+ is working for LAST but not for MIN or MAX
[05-Jul-2007 13:32:38] <rkagin> MoreDakka: Maybe MIN/MAX are limited in that they don't take the MIN/MAX of each value and compute it; rather, it tries to take the MIN/MAX of the operation. Try defining a new CDEF using MIN(a), MIN(b), +, or whatever other syntax.
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[05-Jul-2007 13:45:15] <jb> to upgrade from 2.0 -> 2.0.1 via RPM, rpm -Uvh should do it, right?
[05-Jul-2007 13:58:21] <Bulwinkle> jb: yes
[05-Jul-2007 14:01:08] <MoreDakka> rkagin: I would have to have a cdef for each one if I was to try to do it that way... :-/
[05-Jul-2007 14:02:02] <rkagin> MoreDakka: To tell you the truth, I'm not sure. But possibly.
[05-Jul-2007 14:04:21] <MoreDakka> rkagin: bah :-/
[05-Jul-2007 14:04:36] <MoreDakka> time to go eat lunch anyways
[05-Jul-2007 14:09:06] <jb> hrm, zenwin/eventlog/winmondelor wont start now
[05-Jul-2007 14:09:55] <rkagin> MoreDakka: I do what I can.
[05-Jul-2007 14:10:51] <jb> zenoss/bin/zenoss: line 95: 23745 Segmentation fault $ZENHOME/bin/$cmd "$FUNC"
[05-Jul-2007 14:10:52] <jb> nice :)
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[05-Jul-2007 14:38:59] <The_Man> If anyones install 2.0.1, I've followed the directions, but keep getting an error about starting zedwin. No module named pythoncom No module named pywintypes
[05-Jul-2007 14:39:13] <The_Man> zenwin
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[05-Jul-2007 16:41:29] <|__rb__|> hello, need some help understand why I won't get notification when the httpd is down?
[05-Jul-2007 16:41:36] <|__rb__|> I've listed as the administrator
[05-Jul-2007 16:41:45] <MoreDakka> have you created another user?
[05-Jul-2007 16:41:59] <|__rb__|> yes
[05-Jul-2007 16:42:01] <MoreDakka> There needs to be at least one other user other than admin
[05-Jul-2007 16:42:05] <|__rb__|> I created a profile for myself
[05-Jul-2007 16:42:11] <|__rb__|> with my email and cell phone for sms
[05-Jul-2007 16:42:15] <MoreDakka> is the alerting rule under that user?
[05-Jul-2007 16:42:54] <|__rb__|> basically under: Mange: Administrators: and Role is Administrator
[05-Jul-2007 16:43:45] <MoreDakka> ur running 2.0 or higher right? I'm on v1.1.1 :-/ Might be a bit different.
[05-Jul-2007 16:44:16] <MoreDakka> In v1.1.1 there is a /Users folder, not sure if that's in 2.0
[05-Jul-2007 16:50:41] <|__rb__|> no it's 1.1
[05-Jul-2007 16:51:03] <MoreDakka> ah so you should have from dmd a /Users
[05-Jul-2007 16:51:06] <|__rb__|> I also clicked on the Test botton to see if the email works, and it's ok
[05-Jul-2007 16:51:25] <MoreDakka> so I'm assuming you created the user in the /Users folder?
[05-Jul-2007 16:51:42] <|__rb__|> yes
[05-Jul-2007 16:51:50] <|__rb__|> and when I click on test there it works.
[05-Jul-2007 16:52:38] <MoreDakka> Ok, then under that user you created an Alerting Rule (unique to each user)?
[05-Jul-2007 16:53:56] <|__rb__|> not sure about alerting rule
[05-Jul-2007 16:54:20] <|__rb__|> ah, nothing is setup there?
[05-Jul-2007 16:54:38] <|__rb__|> what's suppose to be in there
[05-Jul-2007 16:54:46] <MoreDakka> Well go under the user and you should have 4 tabs, Edit/Administered Objects, Event Views/Alerting rules (I'm assuming you found it, I'm just going to hit enter)
[05-Jul-2007 16:54:54] <MoreDakka> Put your alerting rule in there.
[05-Jul-2007 16:55:26] <MoreDakka> The default rule will alert you on anything error/critical including httpd down.
[05-Jul-2007 16:55:29] <|__rb__|> under Admin Objects it only shows the devices which i'mve configure to be admin as
[05-Jul-2007 16:56:03] <|__rb__|> but under Alerting Rules, there is nothing?
[05-Jul-2007 16:56:07] <MoreDakka> I haven't used the Administered Objects tab yet so I can't help you with that one (i'm the main admin/only admin here.
[05-Jul-2007 16:56:08] <MoreDakka> )
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[05-Jul-2007 16:56:22] <MoreDakka> Yeah, you'll have to create your alerts under there.
[05-Jul-2007 16:56:46] <|__rb__|> I just see a input colume and Add/Delete/Select All
[05-Jul-2007 16:56:50] <|__rb__|> what would I be adding?
[05-Jul-2007 16:56:50] <MoreDakka> If you created it under the Preferences option (in the top right) that doesn't seem to do anything.
[05-Jul-2007 16:56:59] <MoreDakka> Click on Add and you'll add a new rule
[05-Jul-2007 16:57:18] <MoreDakka> to alert you when things go down
[05-Jul-2007 16:57:28] <|__rb__|> what should I type in the box, prior to clicking on Add
[05-Jul-2007 16:58:06] <MoreDakka> Whatever you want the name to be. You can start out with "Test Rule" or something like that
[05-Jul-2007 16:58:14] <|__rb__|> oh I see
[05-Jul-2007 16:58:21] <|__rb__|> this makes more sense now
[05-Jul-2007 16:58:28] <MoreDakka> It sorta makes sense.
[05-Jul-2007 16:58:46] <|__rb__|> AH! getting the alert now :)
[05-Jul-2007 16:58:47] <MoreDakka> I don't understand why when you create a rule under the admin preferences that nothing gets alerted to that rule....I dunno.
[05-Jul-2007 16:58:50] <MoreDakka> hehe
[05-Jul-2007 16:58:52] <MoreDakka> yay
[05-Jul-2007 16:58:53] <|__rb__|> kewl, thank you
[05-Jul-2007 16:58:56] <MoreDakka> So with your sms messages
[05-Jul-2007 16:59:08] <MoreDakka> don't use the paging option, send it to your email address of your phone.
[05-Jul-2007 16:59:15] <MoreDakka> I find that the paging option doesn't work.
[05-Jul-2007 16:59:16] <|__rb__|> ok
[05-Jul-2007 16:59:17] <MoreDakka> with sms
[05-Jul-2007 16:59:24] <MoreDakka> Glad I could help ;-)
[05-Jul-2007 16:59:25] <|__rb__|> kewl, I'll try that
[05-Jul-2007 16:59:30] <|__rb__|> thanks again :)
[05-Jul-2007 16:59:33] <MoreDakka> np
[05-Jul-2007 16:59:44] <|__rb__|> I"m usually use to working with Nagios
[05-Jul-2007 16:59:56] <|__rb__|> but this seems to be a really good monitoring tool as well
[05-Jul-2007 17:00:21] <MoreDakka> Yeah we went from Nagios to Zenoss as well.
[05-Jul-2007 17:00:37] <MoreDakka> If you are just getting into it I would recommend getting v2.1 and ditch v1.1
[05-Jul-2007 17:00:45] <MoreDakka> Lots of improvements in 2.1
[05-Jul-2007 17:00:51] <|__rb__|> that's what I hear,
[05-Jul-2007 17:01:07] <MoreDakka> I just fear the worst when it comes to upgrading.
[05-Jul-2007 17:01:08] <|__rb__|> unfortunelty I've already rolled out 1.x, but, I'm sure the upgrade will be fun :)
[05-Jul-2007 17:01:13] <MoreDakka> hehe
[05-Jul-2007 17:01:20] <|__rb__|> yep, me too
[05-Jul-2007 17:01:27] <|__rb__|> I upgraded without reading the upgrade docs
[05-Jul-2007 17:01:43] <|__rb__|> and it broke, thank god I was able uninstall 2.0 and put 1.0 back and it worked again :)
[05-Jul-2007 17:02:00] <bzed> MoreDakka: you mean 2.0.1 :)
[05-Jul-2007 17:02:08] <MoreDakka> So we are sticking with v1.1.1 until they get the calculations for rrds in...need that for cpu usage on multiple cpu systems
[05-Jul-2007 17:02:12] <MoreDakka> Uhh...
[05-Jul-2007 17:02:14] <MoreDakka> sure ;-)
[05-Jul-2007 17:02:16] <MoreDakka> 2.0.1
[05-Jul-2007 17:02:20] <MoreDakka> that's what I said
[05-Jul-2007 17:04:28] <MoreDakka> thought I saw someone in here talking about their upgrade to 2.1....they must have been mistaken or I'm just missing letters while I'm reading stuff.
[05-Jul-2007 17:05:26] <|__rb__|> How can I configure for all routers to have the same alerting user without going into every single one individually?
[05-Jul-2007 17:05:36] <|__rb__|> basically do a mass configuration for alerting?
[05-Jul-2007 17:05:49] <MoreDakka> How many users are you creating?
[05-Jul-2007 17:05:49] <bzed> MoreDakka: 2.0.1 came out yesterady I think, so I guess it was a mistake
[05-Jul-2007 17:05:58] <MoreDakka> Ah, my mistake then.
[05-Jul-2007 17:05:59] <|__rb__|> just one user, with multiple address
[05-Jul-2007 17:06:21] <|__rb__|> but instead of going into ever router to setup the user, just wanna do all the routers
[05-Jul-2007 17:06:35] <MoreDakka> You shouldn't have to set it up in any router.
[05-Jul-2007 17:06:50] <MoreDakka> So one user to get all the alerts right?
[05-Jul-2007 17:06:54] <MoreDakka> for all your devices?
[05-Jul-2007 17:07:29] <|__rb__|> not for all the devices, I want our networking guy to get the alerts for all the routers
[05-Jul-2007 17:09:28] <MoreDakka> Hmmm.....since I just have all the alerts going to one or two users I haven't filtered like that yet. I'm assuming that you could put all the routers into a systems group called routers and in the alerting rule set the Systems is /routers
[05-Jul-2007 17:09:44] <MoreDakka> then he will only get the alerts from the devices that are in the /routers systems group.
[05-Jul-2007 17:11:09] <|__rb__|> kewl, I''ll try that
[05-Jul-2007 17:12:33] <MoreDakka> I'm certain there is a better way to do it with the adminitered objects but I don't know how to do that.
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[05-Jul-2007 17:28:59] <dislo> hey guys i have been recieving an email for the last day on the minute and i need some help figuring out why
[05-Jul-2007 17:29:22] <MoreDakka> What's the email?
[05-Jul-2007 17:30:44] <dislo> MoreDakka, it says that one of my routers is up and that it is clearing something but my routers status hasnt changed
[05-Jul-2007 17:31:12] <MoreDakka> is it an snmp trap?
[05-Jul-2007 17:31:33] <dislo> i dont think so
[05-Jul-2007 17:31:51] <MoreDakka> Do you have the events in zenoss as well?
[05-Jul-2007 17:32:47] <dislo> no there is no corresponding event
[05-Jul-2007 17:34:08] <MoreDakka> I'm in v1.1.1 so if you are in v2.0.x then it might be different. have you looked under the log of zenactions?
[05-Jul-2007 17:34:45] <dislo> nope i havent and yes i am in 2.0.0 i think
[05-Jul-2007 17:35:26] <MoreDakka> Check those logs, it should show you that zenoss is emailing alerts to you every minute. if there is nothing being checked then check your mail server to make sure that message isn't endlessly stuck.
[05-Jul-2007 17:36:19] <dislo> ok
[05-Jul-2007 17:36:33] <dislo> where is the zen action log
[05-Jul-2007 17:37:23] <MoreDakka> (this is in v1.1.1) on the left side click about, then you will see zenactions and to the right of it will show a link to a log file, click on that and scroll to the bottom (bottom is the newest)
[05-Jul-2007 17:38:06] <dislo> this is all it says
[05-Jul-2007 17:38:07] <dislo> 2007-07-05 14:35:51 INFO zen.ZenActions: processed 1 rules in 0.94 secs
[05-Jul-2007 17:38:07] <dislo> 2007-07-05 14:36:51 INFO zen.ZenActions: Processed 0 commands in 0.001200
[05-Jul-2007 17:38:07] <dislo> 2007-07-05 14:36:52 INFO zen.ZenActions: sent email:[zenoss] CLEAR: crouter crouter ip 192.168.2.253 is up to:npappin@latahfcu.org
[05-Jul-2007 17:38:39] <dislo> however it shouldnt be tripping any rules right now
[05-Jul-2007 17:38:41] <MoreDakka> check the history on that router and see what is going on.
[05-Jul-2007 17:41:12] <dislo> it says it isnt pinging and then a minute later it says it is
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[05-Jul-2007 17:42:44] <MoreDakka> says it isn't pinging or failed? if you open a command prompt can you ' ping <router ip> -t ' and see if it drops any packets?
[05-Jul-2007 17:44:15] <dislo> they have all been returned in right about 30 ms
[05-Jul-2007 17:46:02] <MoreDakka> How about if you ssh into the zenoss box and ping it from there?
[05-Jul-2007 17:47:16] <dislo> that is where it is going from
[05-Jul-2007 17:48:10] <MoreDakka> ah....what does it show in the zenping logs?
[05-Jul-2007 17:49:07] <dislo> cteller is down
[05-Jul-2007 17:49:32] <MoreDakka> Do you ever get a DOWN email or just the CLEAR emails?
[05-Jul-2007 17:49:41] <dislo> just clear
[05-Jul-2007 17:49:48] <MoreDakka> strange....
[05-Jul-2007 17:49:58] <dislo> no downs i havent seen one in the two days it has been doing it
[05-Jul-2007 17:51:50] <dislo> the other odd thing is i have a production state named Production-no_warn for stuff that i dont really care about or is acting up and the router is in there but i keep on getting emails it should be below the warning level
[05-Jul-2007 17:52:50] <MoreDakka> You could try to restart the zenping and/or zenactions process to see if that will fix it.
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[05-Jul-2007 18:04:16] <dislo> ok i just reset all of zenoss
[05-Jul-2007 18:04:39] <MoreDakka> any change?
[05-Jul-2007 18:11:19] <dislo> doesnt look like it
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[05-Jul-2007 18:11:31] <MoreDakka> sam problem huh?
[05-Jul-2007 18:11:37] <MoreDakka> I have no idea then, sorry :(
[05-Jul-2007 18:11:41] <dislo> yeah here is a change
[05-Jul-2007 18:17:22] <dislo> now i am recieving five of them every minute
[05-Jul-2007 18:18:21] <creiht> dislo: I've done something similar
[05-Jul-2007 18:18:38] <creiht> But what I did whas create different groups
[05-Jul-2007 18:18:48] <creiht> And created alerting rules based off the groups
[05-Jul-2007 18:18:55] <creiht> So for example I have a Production group
[05-Jul-2007 18:19:07] <creiht> So that I only get alerts if the server is in the Production group
[05-Jul-2007 18:20:16] <dislo> yeah that was kind of my thought i didnt wan to put them all on one group because i dont want a text message when someone goes home for the day and shuts off their computer
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[06-Jul-2007 08:20:50] <cluther> Bulwinkle: Are you around?
[06-Jul-2007 08:21:02] <Bulwinkle> cluther: I'm here....
[06-Jul-2007 08:21:09] <Bulwinkle> did you ever get to my box?
[06-Jul-2007 08:21:28] <cluther> Bulwinkle: No, I got wrapped up in a pile of work yesterday. Sorry about that.
[06-Jul-2007 08:21:35] <Bulwinkle> np
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[06-Jul-2007 10:28:13] <MoreDakka> Bulwinkle, did you get the job?
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[06-Jul-2007 10:40:26] <Bulwinkle> MoreDakka: haven't heard anythin back
[06-Jul-2007 10:40:40] <MoreDakka> bah
[06-Jul-2007 10:40:43] <MoreDakka> those slackers
[06-Jul-2007 10:40:46] <MoreDakka> ;-)
[06-Jul-2007 10:43:30] <cluther> You can't slack and read resumes at the same time. It's a predicament.
[06-Jul-2007 10:44:42] <MoreDakka> Well you almost can. If you are by a pool drinking a nice cold drink reading resumes that can be considered as a form of slacking.
[06-Jul-2007 10:45:52] <MoreDakka> While I have your attention, can you take a look at http://moredakka.pastebin.com/942584 and tell me why the math is off for Min and Max on the Mean?
[06-Jul-2007 10:46:03] <adytum-bot> Title: moredakka private pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at moredakka.pastebin.com)
[06-Jul-2007 10:47:46] <MoreDakka> srry, updated one - http://moredakka.pastebin.com/943183
[06-Jul-2007 10:47:58] <adytum-bot> Title: moredakka private pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at moredakka.pastebin.com)
[06-Jul-2007 10:50:38] <cluther> At a glance that looks good to me. How is the mean off?
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[06-Jul-2007 10:57:56] <MoreDakka> the cdef doesn't seem to be doing the math correctly. I checked to make sure it's polling the same numbers (eg cdef=a CPU1 is a) and it's polling the correct #s but when I try to throw math in there it screws up. (eg CPU0=57.52, CPU1=78.78, CPU2=65.56, CPU3=89.85 |CPU Mean=64.67. Calc=72.9275)
[06-Jul-2007 11:09:23] <MoreDakka> I know it's in Cacti, but I think I remember you saying that we can get Zenoss to do this in a later version right?
[06-Jul-2007 11:32:03] <cluther> MoreDakka: This looks like a consolidation issue. You're only printing the MIN/MAX/LAST values. The only way the mean maximum would match the average of the 4 maximums is if all 4 CPUs hit their maximum at the same time.
[06-Jul-2007 11:32:23] <cluther> MoreDakka: Does that make sense?
[06-Jul-2007 11:36:49] <MoreDakka> Oh I see, because snmp probably isn't polling the same information at the same time it might be working with an old number. Is that what you mean?
[06-Jul-2007 12:27:02] <cluther> MoreDakka: I don't think so.. let me see if I can explain what I mean.
[06-Jul-2007 12:27:30] <cluther> MoreDakka: Here's the scenario. During polling cycle 1, cpu1 is at 90% and cpu2 is at 20%
[06-Jul-2007 12:28:15] <cluther> MoreDakka: During polling cycle 2, cpu1 is at 50% and cpu2 is at 80%.
[06-Jul-2007 12:28:36] <cluther> MoreDakka: The MAX of cpu1 is 90%, and the MAX of cpu2 is 80%.
[06-Jul-2007 12:30:28] <cluther> MoreDakka: When these data points get consolidated, the mean MAX of their AVERAGE becomes 60%
[06-Jul-2007 12:31:30] <cluther> MoreDakka: I think the solution would be to derive your mean MAX/MIN from the specific MIN/MAX consolidation functions of the real data point instead of the AVERAGE consolidation.
[06-Jul-2007 12:36:28] <MoreDakka> Hmmm....alright I sorta get it. I don't have a way to change that information in cacti. Can I create custom graphs like that in zenoss?
[06-Jul-2007 12:41:44] <cluther> Yeah.. you could use VDEFs to get data points when whatever consolidation function you wanted.
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[06-Jul-2007 12:58:54] <MoreDakka> I'm trying to read if vdefs can so math, doesn't look like it, or am I blind?
[06-Jul-2007 12:59:05] <MoreDakka> (ps - thnx for your help on this one)
[06-Jul-2007 12:59:31] <cluther> MoreDakka: No math.. you can use VDEFs within CDEFs though.
[06-Jul-2007 12:59:44] <MoreDakka> Ahhhh, that's cool.
[06-Jul-2007 13:00:08] <cluther> Making it possible to create RRD graphs that blow your own mind. =}
[06-Jul-2007 13:00:31] <MoreDakka> so it would be something like cdef=a,b,c,d,+,+,+,4,/ .....ehhh, thought i could think of how to do it but I dunno.
[06-Jul-2007 13:00:58] <MoreDakka> blow my mind hey? Like graphs that jump outta the screen...woh, need 3d glasses to see them properly ;-)
[06-Jul-2007 13:01:04] <cluther> heh..
[06-Jul-2007 13:01:22] <cluther> I was referring to the code, not the result.
[06-Jul-2007 13:01:50] <MoreDakka> oh...haha
[06-Jul-2007 13:04:12] <MoreDakka> Do you have an example on a vdef within cdef would look like?
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[06-Jul-2007 13:09:58] <cluther> hmm.. something like this I think.
[06-Jul-2007 13:10:00] <cluther> DEF:ds0=filename.rrd:ds0:AVERAGE
[06-Jul-2007 13:10:01] <cluther> DEF:ds1=filename.rrd:ds1:AVERAGE
[06-Jul-2007 13:10:01] <cluther> VDEF:ds0max=ds0,MAXIMUM
[06-Jul-2007 13:10:01] <cluther> VDEF:ds1max=ds1,MAXIMUM
[06-Jul-2007 13:10:01] <cluther> CDEF:avgAvg=ds0,ds1,+,2,/
[06-Jul-2007 13:10:02] <cluther> CDEF:avgMax=ds0max,ds1max,+,2,/
[06-Jul-2007 13:10:35] <cluther> I really hate saying things like "average average" or "average maximum" but so is life..
[06-Jul-2007 13:11:23] <MoreDakka> Oh so it's not within the same line of the cdef formula but within the same RRD Command right?
[06-Jul-2007 13:11:54] <cluther> right, you just need to define them before you use them.
[06-Jul-2007 13:13:04] <cluther> MoreDakka: I need to drop offline for a bit.
[06-Jul-2007 13:13:18] <MoreDakka> ah right....ok, Hey, thanks for the help today :-D
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[06-Jul-2007 13:44:01] <dubie> what is the uprade process from 2.0.0 ro 2.0.2? I have FC6
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[06-Jul-2007 13:54:50] <dubie> I have FC6 with zenoss version 2.0.0. I would like to upgrade to 2.0.2 and have not been able to find and upgrade proceduce document... how do I do an upgrade?
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[06-Jul-2007 13:58:01] <Brixius> Hello, I have a question, (I'll admit I'm new to zenoss) I'm testing zenoss using the virtual appliance, and I see there was an update to fix some wmi issues, I'd like to update the virtual appliance I'm running with the 2.0.2 version but can't seem to find any instructions.
[06-Jul-2007 13:58:36] <Brixius> My question is "Are there any instructions for patching the virtual appliance with the latest version of zenoss?"
[06-Jul-2007 13:58:53] <bzed> Brixius, dubie: you both want to poke cluther ;)
[06-Jul-2007 13:59:43] <Brixius> Oh, so I'm not the first to ask this question I take it. :)
[06-Jul-2007 14:00:54] <dubie> hrm
[06-Jul-2007 14:00:59] <dubie> poke?
[06-Jul-2007 14:01:07] <dubie> as opposed to slap?
[06-Jul-2007 14:01:12] <MoreDakka> cluther is gone for awhile he said
[06-Jul-2007 14:01:17] <bzed> dubie: poke is the nice variant ;)
[06-Jul-2007 14:01:30] <MoreDakka> [11:13] <cluther> MoreDakka: I need to drop offline for a bit
[06-Jul-2007 14:16:25] <b52laptop> zenoss is based on z3 ?
[06-Jul-2007 14:17:01] <b52laptop> did know that they migrate to z3 , hm
[06-Jul-2007 14:20:15] <bzed> b52laptop: no, zope 2.9
[06-Jul-2007 14:20:17] <bzed> err
[06-Jul-2007 14:20:18] <bzed> 2.8
[06-Jul-2007 14:20:24] <bzed> the dbeian package will be based on 2.9
[06-Jul-2007 14:20:34] <b52laptop> bzed, http://www.gadoz.com/news/zenoss-support :)
[06-Jul-2007 14:21:07] <bzed> lol
[06-Jul-2007 14:21:27] <b52laptop> itype zenoss + zope 3 on google the first result is this site :D
[06-Jul-2007 14:21:45] <b52laptop> bzed, yay the fols are offering support on zenoss , ..... :d
[06-Jul-2007 14:21:55] <bzed> no wonder, they're probably the only peopel on earth tellign this weird shit
[06-Jul-2007 14:22:02] <bzed> although zenoss uses Five
[06-Jul-2007 14:22:11] <b52laptop> hm
[06-Jul-2007 14:22:17] <bzed> the compatibility product which brings zope3 features to zope 2
[06-Jul-2007 14:22:33] <bzed> http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/browser/trunk/inst/externallibs << scroll down if you don;t believe me ;)
[06-Jul-2007 14:22:33] <adytum-bot> Title: /trunk/inst/externallibs - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.com)
[06-Jul-2007 14:22:41] <b52laptop> i believe you :D
[06-Jul-2007 14:23:20] <b52laptop> hm
[06-Jul-2007 14:25:44] <b52laptop> see you
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[06-Jul-2007 16:14:43] <Brixius> Are there any instructions for patching the virtual appliance with the latest version of zenoss(2.0.2)?
[06-Jul-2007 16:17:18] <creiht> Brixius: It is a virtual server, so you should be able to do it the same way you would a normal server
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