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[01-Jan-2008 03:57:18] <GNUWorldOrder> For nagios users in here?
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[02-Jan-2008 15:32:47] <klinstifen> anyone out there using CentOS?
[02-Jan-2008 15:33:35] <klinstifen> having trouble with my ubuntu server running zenoss and wondering if CentOS users find it to be stable or not?  any perf issues or quicky zenoss issues?
[02-Jan-2008 17:21:22] <lorth> hey guys i need help
[02-Jan-2008 17:35:48] <ke4qqq> hey guys - I have heartbeat failures for all of the zen services showing up in my event console.....how can I get that to stop?
[02-Jan-2008 17:38:54] <cluther> ke4qqq: Go to Event Manager, click on the menu and choose clear all heartbeats.
[02-Jan-2008 17:42:10] <ke4qqq> cluther: my question is more around how to stop it from reoccurring
[02-Jan-2008 17:42:53] <cluther> ke4qqq: That is how you keep it from recurring. Normally the only reason you'd get heartbeat failures for every zen daemon would be if the zenoss server changed hostnames.
[02-Jan-2008 17:43:13] <cluther> ke4qqq: Zenoss still expecting the heartbeats to come in form the old hostname, but they never will again.. so they're all in fault.
[02-Jan-2008 17:43:26] <cluther> ke4qqq: When you clear the heartbeats it tells Zenoss to forget about them and only pay attention to new heartbeats.
[02-Jan-2008 17:56:16] <ke4qqq> ahhh thanks!!!
[02-Jan-2008 18:02:16] <ke4qqq> yet another question - I have a machine that picks up http every time it remodels. I have this firewalled off (https is up and working). Every time I delete (even if ipservices are locked) it returns on next remodel and then goes critical because it detects http as being down. How do I resolve that?
[02-Jan-2008 18:07:01] <cluther> ke4qqq: IpServices are modeled via SNMP and monitored via an actual TCP socket connection.. this is why they can be modeled but not monitored. Instead of deleting the service from the device, click into it and set the Monitored state to False.
[02-Jan-2008 18:58:13] <MuseHome> Hey there, can anyone tell me if there is some place to find a list of the "here." options?
[02-Jan-2008 18:58:32] <MuseHome> like here.speed and here.totalBytes.
[02-Jan-2008 19:01:13] <cluther> MuseHome: The admin guide contains the list for devices and for events. Not for a file system like you're looking for though.
[02-Jan-2008 19:01:27] <cluther> MuseHome: You can take a look at $ZENHOME/Products/ZenModel/FileSystem.py for a definition of the FileSystem class.
[02-Jan-2008 19:01:43] <cluther> MuseHome: You can use any properties of this class or any methods that only take (self) as a parameter.
[02-Jan-2008 19:02:02] <cluther> MuseHome: You'll see that totalBytes is a property of FileSystem.
[02-Jan-2008 19:04:30] <MuseHome> Thank you ...
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[02-Jan-2008 20:04:34] <MuseHome> Will this work as to as a 500MB threshold? Â Â here.totalBytes - (500000000/ here.blockSize)
[02-Jan-2008 21:39:51] <Brixius> I have a bunch of snmp events comming in under a general oid where the detail is in a varbind under the event, to get the detail's to show under the description I had to put "evt.summary=evt.telicaReptCondDescr" in transform.  is there a way I can filter based on what's in the varbinds. so that the same oid could be either critical or warning based on the content.
[02-Jan-2008 21:40:18] <Brixius> hope that makes sense
[02-Jan-2008 21:43:44] <monrad> i would like to know that too
[02-Jan-2008 21:43:55] <monrad> i have quite a lot of those kinds of traps
[02-Jan-2008 21:44:10] <monrad> like bgp traps, some bgp peers are critical others are warnings
[02-Jan-2008 21:56:11] <foo> Anyone in here come from nagios?
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[03-Jan-2008 09:16:19] <pavloskleanthous> hello there
[03-Jan-2008 09:16:28] <pavloskleanthous> happy new year
[03-Jan-2008 09:17:13] <pavloskleanthous> I'm using Zenoss Version 2.1.70
[03-Jan-2008 09:17:27] <pavloskleanthous> and i have a problem
[03-Jan-2008 09:17:41] <pavloskleanthous> can anyone help me ?
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[03-Jan-2008 11:17:07] <pavloskleanthous> ?
[03-Jan-2008 15:53:17] <klinstifen> what's the default mysql zenoss user password?
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[03-Jan-2008 18:17:41] <radkingz> QUESTION: I just installed the latest version of zenoss built from source and i cant seem to get zenperfsnmp,zencommand and zenprocess to run
[03-Jan-2008 18:21:08] <radkingz> the error on zencommand is: zen.zencommand: iteration over non-sequence
[03-Jan-2008 18:38:35] <cluther> radkingz: This would indicate a problem with zenhub. Was this an upgrade or a fresh install?
[03-Jan-2008 19:30:56] <radkingz> cluther: It was a fresh install
[03-Jan-2008 19:31:28] <radkingz> zenhub shows to be running
[03-Jan-2008 19:57:56] <radkingz> yup I stopped zenhub and the other daemons started
[03-Jan-2008 19:59:50] <fas3r> hello everybody
[03-Jan-2008 20:00:01] <fas3r> i have question about zenoss
[03-Jan-2008 20:00:22] <fas3r> i have see it integrate google map and over thing ..
[03-Jan-2008 20:01:00] <fas3r> it's possible to select element when i install it ?
[03-Jan-2008 20:01:12] <fas3r> it's on debian server
[03-Jan-2008 20:05:29] <fas3r> erf nobody here ... ?
[03-Jan-2008 20:40:55] <MoreDakka> Can Zenoss monitor if a port oni a switch gets unplugged (down)?
[03-Jan-2008 20:59:40] <charlieS> It doesn't correlate that to host being down, no.. it doesn't understand L2 topology. But it can receive the link down trap.
[03-Jan-2008 21:05:15] <charlieS> It'd be ideal if a link_down trap made zenoss send a single notification that the connected _host_ was down, and then supressed all other alerts relating to that host. Oh that'd be wonderful :)
[03-Jan-2008 21:12:33] <MoreDakka> hehe
[03-Jan-2008 21:12:40] <MoreDakka> so the only way to do it really is with Traps.
[03-Jan-2008 21:13:32] * johns55 nods
[03-Jan-2008 21:17:08] <MoreDakka> :-/
[03-Jan-2008 21:17:46] <MoreDakka> Also, I've noticed that zenperfsnmp is generating a heartbeat failure a lot, do lots of people have this problem?
[03-Jan-2008 21:21:31] <johns55> you can clear this
[03-Jan-2008 21:22:38] <johns55> go to Events manager under management
[03-Jan-2008 21:22:48] <johns55> from the pull down menu select clear heartbeats
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[03-Jan-2008 21:25:07] <MoreDakka> Yeah I know I can clear it but like in v1.1.1 (our production version) zenmodeler gets gummed up every couple of weeks and I have to reset the daemon and clear the heartbeats.  Will the same thing happen with 2.1.1?
[03-Jan-2008 21:26:03] <johns55> wow that version os really old
[03-Jan-2008 21:26:09] <johns55> u def need to update
[03-Jan-2008 21:26:18] <johns55> were doin very well with 2.1.1 over ehre
[03-Jan-2008 21:26:30] <johns55> 2.1.0 had a few bugs but 2.1.1 is pretty smooth so far
[03-Jan-2008 21:27:16] <MoreDakka> hehe, yeah I know v1.1.1 is old but I have 2.1.1 in testing now to make sure it's as stable.  1.1.1 is extremely stable.
[03-Jan-2008 21:28:30] <johns55> what have you found so far?
[03-Jan-2008 21:28:35] <johns55> how mmany machines r u monitoring?
[03-Jan-2008 21:28:47] <johns55> have you tried to run both systems on parralell?
[03-Jan-2008 21:30:06] <MoreDakka> We have two different servers.
[03-Jan-2008 21:30:18] <MoreDakka> we are monitoring about 160 devices.
[03-Jan-2008 21:31:00] <MoreDakka> I was soooooo happy when chet was able to help me get the import from 1.1.1 -> 2.1.1 done....omg that would suck to have to re-enter all that.
[03-Jan-2008 21:31:43] <MoreDakka> The only thing I don't like about 2.1.1 is the txt is too big, takes up too much area.  I would prefer a smaller text and more information.
[03-Jan-2008 21:31:49] <MoreDakka> And the geocache issue....
[03-Jan-2008 21:37:51] <foo> Anyone in here come from nagios?
[03-Jan-2008 21:38:14] <charlieS> foo: most people, I assume have used Nagios.
[03-Jan-2008 21:38:23] <MoreDakka> guilty
[03-Jan-2008 21:38:36] <MoreDakka> for like 10 minutes
[03-Jan-2008 21:38:41] <charlieS> hehe
[03-Jan-2008 21:38:46] <foo> charlieS: I'm looking for someone who converted from nagios to zenoss
[03-Jan-2008 21:38:51] <johns55> MoreDakka: a simple discovery would have done the trick no/
[03-Jan-2008 21:38:53] <johns55> ?
[03-Jan-2008 21:38:59] <cluther> I used to be a Nagios guy.
[03-Jan-2008 21:39:12] <charlieS> foo: I did, wrote a few articles about it (not a lot of detail though)
[03-Jan-2008 21:39:43] <MoreDakka> johns55:  No.  We have VPNs going all over and remote devices.  It would probably take longer for me to filter/add what auto-discovery finds then work around an import.
[03-Jan-2008 21:39:48] <charlieS> cluther: were you a Nagios developer, or just a disgruntled user?
[03-Jan-2008 21:39:48] <foo> charlieS / cluther - hey, thanks. I'm currently on nagios 2.x, heard a lot about zenoss, seen it in action, spoke with reps, I have 2 zenoss hats... and I'm thinking about converting to it. Any advice? Anything really compelling that was the reason for your move?
[03-Jan-2008 21:40:21] <johns55> MoreDakka: sounds complicated, im glad it worked out for you
[03-Jan-2008 21:40:34] <charlieS> foo: I collapsed three apps into zenoss: nagios, cricket, cacti. Pretty compelling.
[03-Jan-2008 21:41:13] <cluther> foo: I wrote custom extensions to Nagios for 3 years then found that Zenoss did them all+ better out of the box.
[03-Jan-2008 21:41:30] <MoreDakka> Yeah, two things I learned while doing that.  zenmigrate can do everything including making breakfast...it's amazing.  And cluther is a Zenoss god.
[03-Jan-2008 21:41:37] <cluther> foo: To be fair, I work for Zenoss and am likely one of the reps you talked to.
[03-Jan-2008 21:41:55] <charlieS> "it works" and the frustrating bits I've run into don't even matter in the grand scheme, because I'm doing so much more than I was before..
[03-Jan-2008 21:44:42] <cluther> foo: Where did you meet the reps?
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[03-Jan-2008 22:13:38] <foo> oh shoot, I froze my screen... gah
[03-Jan-2008 22:14:30] <foo> cluther: oh, hey :) Still around? Gah, froze my screen session. At SCALE
[03-Jan-2008 22:14:40] <cluther> yup
[03-Jan-2008 22:14:55] <cluther> ah, okay. That wouldn't have been me.
[03-Jan-2008 22:16:34] <foo> ah
[03-Jan-2008 22:16:40] * foo wonders if they're going to be back this year
[03-Jan-2008 22:18:25] <charlieS> foo: its OSS, just install a test version and give it a whirl.. much easier to set up and start getting useful results than in nagios.
[03-Jan-2008 22:18:33] <MoreDakka> What does Zenoss require open for iptables rules?  I'm going to be connecting our zenoss box to a client's network and want to make sure it is as secure as possible.  Well, I want to lock it right down but still have access to it locally (which is easy enough) and have the snmp/icmp/etc traffic accessing their network.
[03-Jan-2008 22:19:04] <MoreDakka> You can get zenoss running with an OS install in like 45 minutes  and it can be polling devices within about 5 minutes after that.
[03-Jan-2008 22:19:28] <cluther> Inbound connectivity would only need to be 8080/tcp for the web interface, 514/udp for syslogs, 162/udp for SNMP traps.
[03-Jan-2008 22:19:33] <foo> I have several custom nagios plugins and the stuff it's monitoring is remote... but I'll play around with it
[03-Jan-2008 22:19:58] <foo> Any general statistics for scaling? Say, 30 devices with a total of 200 services... how much RAM are we talking?
[03-Jan-2008 22:20:46] <cluther> foo: 1GB would be safe.. 512MB should work fine for that few devices.
[03-Jan-2008 22:20:48] <MoreDakka> cluther, what about icmp?  (I'm still a newb when it comes to iptables, I can break things easily but then fix them in a couple hours haha)
[03-Jan-2008 22:21:03] * charlieS has 208 devices ATM, 4GB dual quad-core works (but I need more RAM)
[03-Jan-2008 22:21:33] * charlieS should note that he's running 64-bit, and python gobbles memory like its free
[03-Jan-2008 22:21:41] <cluther> MoreDakka: ICMP and everything else should work fine as long as you use the conn_tracking and allow established connections back in.
[03-Jan-2008 22:22:07] <MoreDakka> thanks again cluther.
[03-Jan-2008 22:22:58] <foo> cluther: I see, ok. I was total nagios scales better than zenoss, but, zenoss does do more. It's the graphing I'm after
[03-Jan-2008 22:23:27] <charlieS> nagios scales?!
[03-Jan-2008 22:23:38] <cluther> foo: Nagios can likely handle more devices on a single server than Zenoss. Zenoss works better for scaling once you need to distribute the monitoring over more than one server.
[03-Jan-2008 22:28:32] <radkingz> hey cluther my issue was I had to move the export statements up above the early return in the .bashrc file
[03-Jan-2008 22:29:02] <cluther> That's a weird one.
[03-Jan-2008 22:29:24] <radkingz> you were talking with a guy about it on the forums
[03-Jan-2008 22:30:57] <radkingz> http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4434
[03-Jan-2008 22:30:57] <cluther> yup.. learn something new every day. :)
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[03-Jan-2008 22:31:34] <cluther> Two people in such a short time with such an odd problem.
[03-Jan-2008 22:32:07] <charlieS> ugh, zenperfsnmp hearbeat failure keeps coming back. the process is running, and working. So odd..
[03-Jan-2008 22:33:02] <radkingz> yup..the instructions say to add it just not where. I didnt think it would make a difference until i read that post
[03-Jan-2008 22:33:53] <foo> cluther: thank you
[03-Jan-2008 22:57:54] <MoreDakka> While there are lots of people here might as well get this question out.  On my graphs I have noticed that all of them are quite choppy.  Choppy as in it looks like zenoss gets a reply from the device for 10 minutes then doesn't for 5 then again 10 or 15 minutes then might not recieve one for 15 minuutes...etc...etc.
[03-Jan-2008 22:58:48] <MoreDakka> All of the devices that have snmp all have this problem and all of them respond no problem to snmp requests manually.  I have two zenoss servers running, could that cause a conflict of some kind?
[03-Jan-2008 23:06:06] <charlieS> I've seen this only on some servers.. not many though.
[03-Jan-2008 23:07:42] <charlieS> in /Devices/Server zProperties, I set zCommandCycleTime = 60, I think that'll help.
[03-Jan-2008 23:08:00] <charlieS> (I'm assuming it runs collections every 60 secs now)
[03-Jan-2008 23:14:44] <grogan> got a quick q if anyone's here who'd care to answer :P
[03-Jan-2008 23:16:08] <grogan> where do I find the snmp plugins for zenoss?
[03-Jan-2008 23:16:36] <grogan> running zenmodeler on command line to pick off the network settings from a test box.
[03-Jan-2008 23:17:01] <grogan> starts the collector loop for the ip, but then returns no cmd plugins, no snmp plugins, no portscan plugins. etc.
[03-Jan-2008 23:17:28] <grogan> is part of my install fubared?
[03-Jan-2008 23:18:32] <grogan> from the zenoss web interface, I can get a snmpwalk going.
[03-Jan-2008 23:19:35] <charlieS> maybe there's some environment setting that are missing when you're running from the command line?
[03-Jan-2008 23:19:47] * charlieS doesn't know
[03-Jan-2008 23:20:08] <MoreDakka> Thanks charlieS, I'll look into that.
[03-Jan-2008 23:20:14] <charlieS> does it just assume 'public' or rely on your config? Not sure.
[03-Jan-2008 23:20:55] <cluther> grogan: Zenmodeler doesn't take an IP address as a parameter..
[03-Jan-2008 23:21:19] <grogan> hmm strange, I saw it listed
[03-Jan-2008 23:21:32] <grogan> on some faq as being one of those commands to check it against one box.
[03-Jan-2008 23:21:59] <cluther> Have you already added the device to Zenoss?
[03-Jan-2008 23:22:03] <grogan> yup
[03-Jan-2008 23:22:14] <cluther> Try: zenmodeler run --device=deviceNameFromZenoss
[03-Jan-2008 23:22:15] <grogan> it's doing the same thing it does when I do autodiscovery.
[03-Jan-2008 23:22:26] <grogan> hmmm ok. lemme check that
[03-Jan-2008 23:23:09] <grogan> I was using the syntax: zenmodeler -d <ip address> --collect cmd.linux.netstat_rn
[03-Jan-2008 23:24:04] <grogan> hmmmm
[03-Jan-2008 23:24:09] <grogan> nice. that actually worked.
[03-Jan-2008 23:24:10] <grogan> thanks man
[03-Jan-2008 23:24:47] <cluther> sure thing.. the -d is shorthand for --device=. It just needs to be the device's name from zenoss instead of the IP.
[03-Jan-2008 23:25:13] <grogan> ahh ok.
[03-Jan-2008 23:30:02] <charlieS> cluther: is that true? "/Devices/Server zProperties, I set zCommandCycleTime = 60" - means that SNMP collections will run every minute?
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[03-Jan-2008 23:32:34] <charlieS> cluther_: having IRC issues? :)
[03-Jan-2008 23:32:52] <fas3r> i have question about zenoss
[03-Jan-2008 23:33:08] <cluther_> charlieS: Always.. it's these Cisco VPNs that isolate you from all other networks.
[03-Jan-2008 23:33:48] <charlieS> cluther_: (reposting question then) cluter: is that true? "/Devices/Server zProperties, I set zCommandCycleTime = 60" - means that SNMP collections will run every minute?
[03-Jan-2008 23:34:07] <charlieS> fas3r: "just ask it"
[03-Jan-2008 23:34:28] <fas3r> if you prefer i don't need  google map module and other ... it's just for know if it's possible to select what module i want install on zenoss during the installation ?  ( on debian server )
[03-Jan-2008 23:34:30] <cluther_> charlieS: You change the SNMP cycle from within the Monitors -> Performance -> localhost, edit tab.
[03-Jan-2008 23:34:54] <charlieS> ah! So zCommandCycleTime is only for SSH/etc commands.
[03-Jan-2008 23:35:02] <cluther_> charlieS: Bear in mind that you will have to wipe out all of the .rrd files under $ZENHOME/perf/Devices if you do this as they're created with a specific step and heartbeat value.
[03-Jan-2008 23:35:33] <cluther_> I don't think zCommandCycleTime is used at all honestly. COMMAND type data sources each specify their own interval and zencommand schedules them intelligently.
[03-Jan-2008 23:35:41] <cluther_> Maybe a relic of the past.
[03-Jan-2008 23:35:44] <charlieS> lol, ok
[03-Jan-2008 23:35:57] <charlieS> ew, ok I'll leave the SNMP setting as-is. Thanks.
[03-Jan-2008 23:41:44] <grogan> hmm
[03-Jan-2008 23:41:51] <grogan> another error that I bumped into earlier today.
[03-Jan-2008 23:42:02] <grogan> was trying to load up some of the zenpacks
[03-Jan-2008 23:42:18] <grogan> running gentoo 2.6.16 x86_64
[03-Jan-2008 23:42:24] <grogan> kept running into keyerror:app errors.
[03-Jan-2008 23:43:00] <grogan> whenever I tried loading it up, both via command line and via gui interface.
[03-Jan-2008 23:44:26] <grogan> was trying to load up the 64 bit zenpacks of apachemonitor, windowswmidevicetemplate & mysqlmonitor.
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[04-Jan-2008 00:05:12] <johns55> anyone have experience with snmp with windows?
[04-Jan-2008 00:05:35] <johns55> i just did an snmpwalk on my localhost and get a buncha errors saying it can not find snmp modules
[04-Jan-2008 00:05:40] <johns55> does this mean snmp is not running?
[04-Jan-2008 00:11:20] <donkdonk> just installed zenoss on CentOS5 and following the install guide i am supposed to go to http://10.1.2.101:8080. nothing comes up when i do
[04-Jan-2008 00:12:51] <johns55> check if httpd is running
[04-Jan-2008 00:14:03] <donkdonk> johns55: no, httpd is not running. should it be?
[04-Jan-2008 00:14:36] <donkdonk> johns55: its not even installed. the install guide didnt say anything about httpd
[04-Jan-2008 00:15:36] <johns55> yes u need httpd and mysql
[04-Jan-2008 00:15:45] <johns55> if u dont have that prior to installation, it will not work
[04-Jan-2008 00:16:52] <johns55> how is your system suppose to host zenoss pages if httpd is not installed?
[04-Jan-2008 00:17:37] <donkdonk> johns55: thought it brought its own host. owell i will play with it tomorrow
[04-Jan-2008 00:17:39] <donkdonk> johns55:  thanks
[04-Jan-2008 00:17:52] <johns55> do a lsof -i -n -P
[04-Jan-2008 00:17:56] <johns55> check or a netstat
[04-Jan-2008 00:18:02] <johns55> to see what ports are listening
[04-Jan-2008 00:18:33] <donkdonk> johns55: yes, 8080 definatly not listening
[04-Jan-2008 00:18:41] <johns55> hrm
[04-Jan-2008 00:18:50] <johns55> do a /usr/local/zenoss/bin/zenoss status
[04-Jan-2008 00:18:53] <johns55> see if all services on running
[04-Jan-2008 00:18:54] <donkdonk> ill install apache tomorrow
[04-Jan-2008 00:19:36] <donkdonk> [root@jamesdev etc]# /opt/zenoss/bin/zenoss status
[04-Jan-2008 00:19:36] <donkdonk> ls: /opt/zenoss/var/Data.fs: No such file or directory
[04-Jan-2008 00:19:36] <donkdonk> Unable to determine the right user to run zenoss
[04-Jan-2008 00:20:55] <johns55> su zenoss
[04-Jan-2008 00:21:02] <johns55> r u running this as root?
[04-Jan-2008 00:21:15] <donkdonk> yes
[04-Jan-2008 00:21:20] <johns55> looks like the install didnt go so well
[04-Jan-2008 00:21:34] <donkdonk> ok thnaks
[04-Jan-2008 00:21:39] <donkdonk> ill redo it
[04-Jan-2008 00:22:21] <monrad> is there a way to make SLA caculation based on groups and/or systems
[04-Jan-2008 01:17:01] <johns55> can anyone help me with windows and snmp? seems like its telling me it cant find modules when performing an snmpwalk on localhost?
[04-Jan-2008 03:31:05] <donkdonk> just installed zenoss. following the install guide i am supposed to go to http://localhost:8080/ It does not pull up anything
[04-Jan-2008 03:31:07] <adytum-bot> Title: Zope (at localhost:8080)
[04-Jan-2008 03:35:07] <charlieS> if you installed it on the box you're running the browser on.. :)
[04-Jan-2008 03:36:38] <donkdonk> well, actually i am trying on a diffrent server using http://192.168.1.100:8080/
[04-Jan-2008 03:37:01] <donkdonk> there were some errors at first run
[04-Jan-2008 03:37:29] <charlieS> you probably want to address those errors, I'd guess
[04-Jan-2008 03:37:30] <donkdonk> something about the wrong mysql password
[04-Jan-2008 03:38:00] <donkdonk> where do i configure the password at?
[04-Jan-2008 03:38:23] <charlieS> in the GUI... hehe.
[04-Jan-2008 03:38:52] <charlieS> I think you can set it as an env var for the zenoss user, too
[04-Jan-2008 03:47:07] <donkdonk> ok apparently you need a blank password for mysql
[04-Jan-2008 03:47:39] <donkdonk> wtf is up with that?
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[04-Jan-2008 07:28:27] <charlieS> Address (optional) <-- it says, in the alerting rule. But I get: WARNING zen.ZenActions: failed to page rooters on rule Prod_24x7_Errors: Unspecified address.
[04-Jan-2008 07:28:58] <charlieS> when i try to send myself a test page it says it faile because i don't have a pager address, but it WORKS. (and I certainly do have a pager address set)
[04-Jan-2008 07:35:15] <charlieS> tis odd, that. I think I'll send mail to the list :)
[04-Jan-2008 12:23:46] <Xander77> Is there a way I can delete/disable the admin account?   Or is it just a case of setting a really impossible password if I don't want to use it
[04-Jan-2008 15:04:20] <tafryn> If an admin is dead set against using snmp on his network will Zenoss still be a useful tool for him/her?
[04-Jan-2008 15:10:43] <cluther> tafryn: It'll be a heck of a lot more painful to use, but it could still be a useful tool.
[04-Jan-2008 15:12:03] <tafryn> more painful in that it wont auto detect the network or more painful in some other way?
[04-Jan-2008 15:12:47] <cluther> tafryn: Primarily in the discovery, yes. Also in the ability to collect performance information. The ZenPlugins agent will have to be installed on all of the *nix systems to allow Zenoss to to performance monitoring via SSH instead of SNMP.
[04-Jan-2008 15:14:50] <cluther> tafryn: Zenoss has a lot of features, and without SNMP you will simply miss out of some of them. To put it in perspective: Even if you don't use all of the free functionality that SNMP buys you, it will still be as capable as the alternatives since it can natively run Nagios or Cacti plugins to collect data.
[04-Jan-2008 15:18:23] <tafryn> I read about the compatability with Nagios plugins, how does that work exactly?
[04-Jan-2008 15:18:46] <cluther> tafryn: Are you familiar with Nagios plugins at all?
[04-Jan-2008 15:19:59] <tafryn> Somewhat
[04-Jan-2008 15:31:44] <Xander77> As I understand it, Nagios plugins are just commands that return the status of the service, along with performance parameters. You can set up datasources in Zenoss which run commands (ie nagios plugin in this case) and then extract the data from the return string
[04-Jan-2008 15:33:18] <Xander77> eg. the nagios plugin for http monitoring (check_http) returns something like
[04-Jan-2008 15:33:19] <Xander77> HTTP OK HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 84039 bytes in 0.185 seconds |time=0.184819s;;;0.000000 size=84039B;;;0
[04-Jan-2008 15:33:29] <Xander77> when you run ./check_http -H news.bbc.co.uk
[04-Jan-2008 15:44:18] <cluther> tafryn: Sorry.. got distracted. Xander77 is on the money though.
[04-Jan-2008 15:45:29] <cluther> If the command exits with a non-zero exit code Zenoss will generate an event of the severity you specify, and the "time" and "size" values can be slurped up into data points which you can create thresholds against and graphs to display.
[04-Jan-2008 15:54:47] <tafryn> So how is a datasource setup in Zenoss?
[04-Jan-2008 15:56:56] <cluther> tafryn: I'd recommend getting the admin guide and taking a look at chapter 12. It goes over this stuff better than most people here would. :)
[04-Jan-2008 15:57:41] <cluther> tafryn: Then chapter 14 is even better once you understand 12.
[04-Jan-2008 15:58:47] <tafryn> fair enough, thanks
[04-Jan-2008 16:50:38] <BrixHome> question, running "zenmib run mibfile" I'm getting the following "INFO:zen.zenmib:Unable to find a file providing the MIB SNMPv2-SMI" as well as others, however I've allready imported SNMPv2-SMI.  Can I safely ignore that error, or do I have to re-import the base mibs it's complaining about when importing this mib.
[04-Jan-2008 16:51:04] <BrixHome> thanks in advance
[04-Jan-2008 16:54:44] <cluther> BrixHome: Try just running "zenmib run" without the mibfile parameter.
[04-Jan-2008 16:55:13] <cluther> BrixHome: That will allow it to find dependencies in the same mibs/site directory.
[04-Jan-2008 17:02:47] <BrixHome> thanks
[04-Jan-2008 17:36:03] <grogan> hmmm is there a file that controls the network map information under zenoss?
[04-Jan-2008 17:36:28] <grogan> that could be re-generated? the network map thing was working last night, but today it's blank.
[04-Jan-2008 17:52:24] <MuseHome> Is there away to set alerts child/parent relationship. So that a switch with 48 systems going  down does not send out alerts for every system?
[04-Jan-2008 18:11:53] <MoreDakka_> port 8080 is just for tcp right?  udp isn't required.
[04-Jan-2008 18:16:04] <MoreDakka_> Or can anyone guess why my web interface isn't working anymore?
[04-Jan-2008 18:17:01] <MuseHome> not for the web interface. udp will be used but the system to get snmpdata.
[04-Jan-2008 18:17:44] <MoreDakka_> Alright, but for the web interface it will only need tcp8080 right?
[04-Jan-2008 18:20:22] <johns55> yes
[04-Jan-2008 18:24:11] <grogan> hmmm
[04-Jan-2008 18:24:30] <grogan> is there a command line option to regenerate the network map stuff?
[04-Jan-2008 18:24:50] <grogan> the network map was working yesterday, but now it's gone again.
[04-Jan-2008 18:25:11] <grogan> no options whatsoever (i.e. no ip address to enter.. it's just blank.
[04-Jan-2008 18:27:17] <MuseHome> Do you get the "Device Class Fliter" pull down?
[04-Jan-2008 18:28:59] <MuseHome> Any chance I could use the ‽add route” option to make a switch look like it’s a parent? Using /32’s.
[04-Jan-2008 18:33:12] <johns55> anyone good with snmp and windows?
[04-Jan-2008 18:33:46] <MuseHome> good? I don't know about good.. what's up
[04-Jan-2008 18:34:21] <MoreDakka_> Wow...zenhub is really broken.
[04-Jan-2008 18:34:47] <johns55> i can get zenoss to monitor linux boxes via snmp but im having a hard time with windows
[04-Jan-2008 18:34:56] <pablo26> hi all
[04-Jan-2008 18:35:11] <johns55> i just get timedout when performing an snmpwalk from the zenoss to windows
[04-Jan-2008 18:35:17] <johns55> netstat shows udp 161 is running
[04-Jan-2008 18:35:55] <johns55> snmpwalk from itself to itself via localhost is giving me a cannot find module error
[04-Jan-2008 18:35:57] <MuseHome> Do you have it locked to a host or is it open?
[04-Jan-2008 18:36:33] <johns55> ive got it locked to the zenoss IP and localhost only
[04-Jan-2008 18:36:50] <johns55> same with snmp trap destinations
[04-Jan-2008 18:37:08] <pablo26> can i set dependencies between devices in zenoss?
[04-Jan-2008 18:38:36] <MuseHome> Do you get the same error when you walk from the zenoss (linux) box?
[04-Jan-2008 18:39:02] <johns55> from the zenoss (linux) box, i get a timeout error
[04-Jan-2008 18:39:20] <pablo26> johns55 what are u using to test from windows to windows?
[04-Jan-2008 18:39:21] <johns55> the snmpwalk.exe was a downloaded file im not sure if its an accurate way of testing
[04-Jan-2008 18:39:27] <johns55> snmpwalk.exe
[04-Jan-2008 18:39:50] <MuseHome> can you snmpwalk.exe something else? do you have something to walk?
[04-Jan-2008 18:40:02] <MuseHome> just to test your snmewalk.exe
[04-Jan-2008 18:40:11] <johns55> not at the moment, the windows box is on a different network
[04-Jan-2008 18:40:28] <johns55> i did an snmpwalk back to zenoss and get the same cannot find module error
[04-Jan-2008 18:40:33] <MuseHome> what about the zenoss box.  trying walking it from the windows box.
[04-Jan-2008 18:40:49] <johns55> yes, cannot find module error
[04-Jan-2008 18:40:52] <MuseHome> that sounds like it's looking for MIBs maybe.
[04-Jan-2008 18:40:58] <johns55> yes it is
[04-Jan-2008 18:41:13] <johns55> could it be the snmpwalk.exe is not an accurate way of testing this?
[04-Jan-2008 18:41:20] <MuseHome> is that your error? "Cannot find module (XXX-MIB)"
[04-Jan-2008 18:41:25] <johns55> yes it is
[04-Jan-2008 18:41:41] <MuseHome> you can read this. http://net-snmp.sourceforge.net/docs/FAQ.html#What_does__Cannot_find_module__XXX_MIB___mean_
[04-Jan-2008 18:41:49] <adytum-bot> Title: Net-SNMP (at net-snmp.sourceforge.net)
[04-Jan-2008 18:42:15] <pablo26> johns55 try this simple software to test if its working ok http://noeld.com/programs.asp?cat=dstools#snmptest
[04-Jan-2008 18:42:19] <johns55> its actually being generated for all modules
[04-Jan-2008 18:42:34] <adytum-bot> Title: Miscellaneous Tools (at noeld.com)
[04-Jan-2008 18:43:07] <johns55> i am gonna try that test prog
[04-Jan-2008 18:43:09] <johns55> 1 sec
[04-Jan-2008 18:43:33] <pablo26> there are lot download SNMP test for routers u have to enter a community name and an ip
[04-Jan-2008 18:44:38] <johns55> yes, this is a windows box, so hopefully it will work for that too
[04-Jan-2008 18:44:59] <MuseHome> I would open up the windows to let any host use snmp. Just to test it. the from zenoss command-line "snmpwalk -v2c -c cstring host_ip ."
[04-Jan-2008 18:46:01] <MuseHome> or if you have nmap. nmap the windows box to see if it can see UDP 161 open.
[04-Jan-2008 18:48:06] <MuseHome> Anyone know.  Is there away to set alerts child/parent relationship. So that a switch with 48 systems going  down does not send out alerts for every system?
[04-Jan-2008 18:48:47] <pablo26> no :( i really need that
[04-Jan-2008 18:49:30] <MuseHome> Any chance I could use the ‽add route” option to make a switch look like it’s a parent? Using /32’s.
[04-Jan-2008 18:49:40] <pablo26> the ping automatically recognizes the network topology
[04-Jan-2008 18:49:57] <pablo26> but if it doesnt, u cant set it manually
[04-Jan-2008 18:50:47] <MuseHome> Seems like the class setup zenoss has. you would be able to make a class tree topology of your network.
[04-Jan-2008 18:51:51] <johns55> ah, i ran the test program, it says the first part of the test was successful
[04-Jan-2008 18:52:00] <johns55> now i need to unplug me network cable to test the trap
[04-Jan-2008 18:52:06] <johns55> which i cant do since this is a production box
[04-Jan-2008 18:52:07] <pablo26> i need that and services windows that can be setted automatically from outside to be happy
[04-Jan-2008 18:52:57] <MuseHome> What do you mean? what are you trying to do with your windows boxes?
[04-Jan-2008 18:52:58] <pablo26> johns55 u were able to snmpwalk with the software i told u?
[04-Jan-2008 18:54:21] <MuseHome> pablo26: what do you want to do automatically?
[04-Jan-2008 18:55:13] <pablo26> i want to turn off alerts during mainentances (periodically data updates) without having to log in to zenoos to create them
[04-Jan-2008 18:56:08] <MuseHome> Are they on a set time? so you could repeat them? or are they ramdom?
[04-Jan-2008 18:56:08] <johns55> pablo: yes it works on localhost
[04-Jan-2008 18:57:39] <johns55> im starting to think it might be network
[04-Jan-2008 18:57:55] <pablo26> do u have some firewall in the middle?
[04-Jan-2008 18:57:56] <johns55> since i tried to test it on the windows box against the zenoss box
[04-Jan-2008 18:57:59] <johns55> and it is not working
[04-Jan-2008 19:01:55] <MuseHome> pablo26:Are they on a set time? so you could repeat them? or are they ramdom?
[04-Jan-2008 19:18:00] <pablo26> they can change, depends when the indexing finish, when the data feed came
[04-Jan-2008 19:23:08] <grogan> oh sheesh n/m. (didn't have the flash plugin installed on this new box I was working from)
[04-Jan-2008 19:23:49] <johns55> lol simple solution
[04-Jan-2008 19:23:54] <grogan> haha yeah no kidding
[04-Jan-2008 19:24:04] <grogan> I was boggling over this since it worked on my laptop last night.
[04-Jan-2008 19:24:24] <johns55> since you are working on that, im trying to have the map show all networks
[04-Jan-2008 19:24:35] <johns55> is there a way to do it? ive only been able to have it show 1 network at a time
[04-Jan-2008 19:24:42] <grogan> hmm
[04-Jan-2008 19:24:46] <grogan> maybe it's number of hops?
[04-Jan-2008 19:25:08] <MuseHome> they have to have links. So you can change the number of hops.
[04-Jan-2008 19:25:35] <johns55> hrm i dont understand.. im not a network guy
[04-Jan-2008 19:25:37] <MuseHome> and 4 hops max.
[04-Jan-2008 19:26:56] <MuseHome> You need to have H --->R ---> H or H --> R --> R --> H
[04-Jan-2008 19:27:25] <MuseHome> So there has to be a ARE (router) that has a a leg I neach network.
[04-Jan-2008 19:28:08] <MuseHome> ARE = R
[04-Jan-2008 19:28:43] <MuseHome> Does that help or make it worse? :-)
[04-Jan-2008 19:29:29] <BrixHome> pablo26: I'm guessing there's some type of command line you could do to put a device in maint and if so you could do it in a cron, or issue the command via ssh on another host.  I've no clue what that command line would be, I'm really new at zenoss myself, but I'm guessing there is one. (I know not much help, but maybe a pointer at someplace to look)
[04-Jan-2008 19:29:57] <grogan> have you guys had any luck installing zenpacks?
[04-Jan-2008 19:30:39] <pablo26> yes, from the command line or web interface grogan?
[04-Jan-2008 19:30:48] <grogan> both
[04-Jan-2008 19:30:57] <grogan> running under 64 bit gentoo
[04-Jan-2008 19:31:10] <grogan> not sure if that's why it's falling apart.
[04-Jan-2008 19:31:34] <pablo26> maybe u dont have the environment variables of zenoss home
[04-Jan-2008 19:31:56] <grogan> hmmm
[04-Jan-2008 19:32:08] <BrixHome> grogan: are you running as user zenoss?
[04-Jan-2008 19:32:10] <grogan> yeah.
[04-Jan-2008 19:32:16] <grogan> with all of the environmental variables set
[04-Jan-2008 19:32:34] <grogan> I got through that whole issue of the 3 processes that would start/stop
[04-Jan-2008 19:33:00] <grogan> the zenperfsnmp, zencommand and one other
[04-Jan-2008 19:33:16] <grogan> found the environmental variable settings somewhere, plugged them in and that problem fixed itself.
[04-Jan-2008 19:34:46] <BrixHome> grogan: I've had luck as long as I switch to the zenoss user using the command "su - zenoss"  but I cheated on installing it and downloaded the vmware image to put on esx.
[04-Jan-2008 19:37:59] <grogan> heh
[04-Jan-2008 19:38:01] <grogan> ahh yeah
[04-Jan-2008 19:38:03] <grogan> I know. same here
[04-Jan-2008 19:38:22] <grogan> I su - zenoss, and then load the $zenhome, etc vars
[04-Jan-2008 19:39:32] <grogan> comes back with some keyerror:app
[04-Jan-2008 19:39:57] <grogan> after a slew of python stuff.
[04-Jan-2008 19:40:04] <MuseHome> pablo26: can you use the "Alerting period to repeat" in the alert Schedule to hold off your E-Mail when your system is updating?
[04-Jan-2008 19:41:13] <johns55> Muse: we just ahve 1 netblock of class Cs and split it up via subnetting
[04-Jan-2008 19:42:14] <MuseHome> john: But the thing that is doing the subneting need to be in zenoss. It has to be a router.
[04-Jan-2008 19:43:32] <MuseHome> john: that router will have routes for each subnet. and that will link all the nets together.
[04-Jan-2008 19:45:30] <MuseHome> This also could be a Firewall that is routing all your subnets.
[04-Jan-2008 19:47:41] <MuseHome> John: Does that help you?
[04-Jan-2008 19:47:42] <pablo26> MuseHome i can do that if the maintenance task were scheduled, but in my case the can change every time
[04-Jan-2008 19:55:49] <MuseHome> pablo26: that is ./bin/winexe not zenwin....
[04-Jan-2008 20:00:05] <klinstifen> i just migrated from one box to another and now my dashboard is empty and i can't add anything
[04-Jan-2008 20:00:09] <klinstifen> anyone got any ideas?
[04-Jan-2008 20:01:50] <klinstifen> when i try to add a portlet there are none to choose from
[04-Jan-2008 20:09:20] <MoreDakka_> What's the pastebin site that everyone uses?
[04-Jan-2008 20:18:33] <BrixHome> I use pastebin.com but I don't think it really maters which one you use
[04-Jan-2008 20:21:11] <MoreDakka_> Can anyone please tell me why my server is broken?  http://pastebin.ca/841636
[04-Jan-2008 20:21:18] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - Someone - post number 841636 (at pastebin.ca)
[04-Jan-2008 20:21:53] <MoreDakka_> The mysqld service is running and iptables is empty.
[04-Jan-2008 20:24:53] <MoreDakka_> I can't access the server via the web site.  I haven't made any changes to it and the errors go as far back as 12/30 :-/
[04-Jan-2008 20:55:08] <MoreDakka_> I can't even start zenhub.  Try to restart it, says it's already stopped and nothing is showing up in the logs...
[04-Jan-2008 20:55:34] <klinstifen> what's the default zenoss user password when installing from a RPM
[04-Jan-2008 20:56:02] <klinstifen> MoreDakka: if you do a ps -ef | grep zenoss do you see a line for zenhub?
[04-Jan-2008 20:56:38] <MoreDakka_> Just my grep zenhub, nothing else.
[04-Jan-2008 20:57:07] <klinstifen> so when you do a zenhub start what happens
[04-Jan-2008 20:57:45] <MoreDakka_> What I described above
[04-Jan-2008 20:58:43] <klinstifen> does it just drop to the command line?
[04-Jan-2008 20:58:51] <klinstifen> are you stopping/starting from website?
[04-Jan-2008 20:58:52] <MoreDakka_> I can't get to the web interface at all.
[04-Jan-2008 20:59:14] <MoreDakka_> So all of this is being done from the command line.
[04-Jan-2008 20:59:41] <klinstifen> so when you do zenhub start does it just drop to the command prompt?
[04-Jan-2008 21:00:31] <MoreDakka_> zenhub restart
[04-Jan-2008 21:00:34] <MoreDakka_> already stopped
[04-Jan-2008 21:00:37] <MoreDakka_> starting...
[04-Jan-2008 21:00:40] <MoreDakka_> $
[04-Jan-2008 21:00:53] <MoreDakka_> zenhub status
[04-Jan-2008 21:01:01] <MoreDakka_> not running
[04-Jan-2008 21:01:03] <MoreDakka_> $
[04-Jan-2008 21:06:05] <klinstifen> what if you do zenhub run -v 10
[04-Jan-2008 21:07:38] <MoreDakka_> http://pastebin.ca/841688
[04-Jan-2008 21:07:44] MoreDakka_ is now known as MoreDakka
[04-Jan-2008 21:07:45] <adytum-bot> Title: general pastebin - Miscellany - post number 841688 (at pastebin.ca)
[04-Jan-2008 21:08:38] <klinstifen> so looks like a problem with your cache
[04-Jan-2008 21:08:48] <klinstifen> cd to $ZENHOME/var
[04-Jan-2008 21:08:56] <klinstifen> and rm zenhub-1.zec
[04-Jan-2008 21:09:05] <klinstifen> then try restarting zenhub
[04-Jan-2008 21:10:05] <MoreDakka> That got it started.  What would cause that?
[04-Jan-2008 21:12:35] <klinstifen> i dunno, but it's happened to me before
[04-Jan-2008 21:12:54] <klinstifen> there are a couple different problems posted in the forums that have the same solution...delete zenhub cache
[04-Jan-2008 21:12:58] <MoreDakka> Gah, that sucks....not really a good thing to happen.
[04-Jan-2008 21:13:38] <klinstifen> least its an easy fix
[04-Jan-2008 21:13:42] <klinstifen> ...now that you know about it
[04-Jan-2008 21:13:58] <klinstifen> i just migrated from ubuntu to centos and my dashboard is blank
[04-Jan-2008 21:14:05] <klinstifen> anyone got ideas on how to fix this?
[04-Jan-2008 21:14:23] <klinstifen> tried updating catalog, but that didn't work
[04-Jan-2008 21:14:50] <MoreDakka> have you tried zenmigrate?  That fixed a ton of problems for me when I upgraded from 1.1.1 -> 2.0.3 -> 2.1.1
[04-Jan-2008 21:14:57] <MoreDakka> Plus it can make breakfast too.
[04-Jan-2008 21:15:02] <MoreDakka> (from what I've heard)
[04-Jan-2008 21:17:23] <klinstifen> as zenoss user i ran "zenmigrate" and it said it ran successfully
[04-Jan-2008 21:17:37] <klinstifen> but alas my dashboard is still blank : (
[04-Jan-2008 21:19:27] <klinstifen> and my portlets are missing too
[04-Jan-2008 21:24:01] <MoreDakka> :(  That's all I know to help you :(  sorry.
[04-Jan-2008 21:37:16] <grogan> hmmm
[04-Jan-2008 21:37:35] <grogan> is there a way to command-line add a tcp service for monitoring?
[04-Jan-2008 21:38:04] <grogan> one of the devices I created keeps hanging on the OS window of the device details listing
[04-Jan-2008 21:38:44] <grogan> and can't click the stupid downarrow to trigger the ip services addition window.
[04-Jan-2008 21:39:29] <grogan> just keeps waiting with the inane 'loading' window
[04-Jan-2008 21:39:47] <grogan> or is the only way to delete the device and re-add it.
[04-Jan-2008 21:45:12] <grogan> oh well. deleting and redetecting.
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[04-Jan-2008 23:08:09] <doseyg> Can I use ssh to auto-discover Linux systems ? Also, what would need to happen to have zenoss automatically place system in the appropriate class and log all of the installed rpms and hardware ?
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[06-Jan-2008 00:22:28] <jdavis_> Does zenoss support postgresql?
[06-Jan-2008 00:28:55] <jdavis_> would a patch to support postgresql be welcome?
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[07-Jan-2008 00:36:08] <jdavis_> what is the license for zenoss?
[07-Jan-2008 00:37:56] <jdavis_> It looks like it's GPL.
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[07-Jan-2008 12:01:50] <turbohr> hello
[07-Jan-2008 13:47:06] <klinstifen> anyone running centos5.1?
[07-Jan-2008 14:00:42] <Auron> q
[07-Jan-2008 14:01:48] <Jorn-21> Goodday all, hope this works.
[07-Jan-2008 14:06:54] <klinstifen> anyone running centos5.1
[07-Jan-2008 14:08:21] <Jorn-21> say Test ... anybody sees this?
[07-Jan-2008 14:10:04] <Jorn-21> who
[07-Jan-2008 14:10:52] <Jorn-21> quit
[07-Jan-2008 14:45:34] <klinstifen> anyone know how to change the default install path for the rpm?
[07-Jan-2008 14:45:39] <klinstifen> it defaults to /opt/zenoss
[07-Jan-2008 14:45:44] <klinstifen> and --prefix doesn't work
[07-Jan-2008 14:59:46] <cluther_> klinstifen: Unfortunately there's no good way to do this and we don't honor the prefix flag yet. There is a way though..
[07-Jan-2008 15:01:42] <cluther_> klinstifen: symlink /opt/zenoss to where you really want it installed, then after the install edit your the .bashrc in your zenoss user's home directory to update the ZENHOME environment variable to the real location and remove your symlink.
[07-Jan-2008 15:03:39] <klinstifen> cluther_:ok thanks
[07-Jan-2008 15:04:08] <klinstifen> i'm moving from debian to centos and upgrading from 2.1.1 to 2.1.2
[07-Jan-2008 15:04:19] <klinstifen> my previous install location was /usr/local/zenoss
[07-Jan-2008 15:04:44] <cluther_> I'd definitely recommend sticking with /opt/zenoss unless your mount point aren't setup for it.
[07-Jan-2008 15:04:58] <klinstifen> and i think the new path is conflicting with some of my perf templates
[07-Jan-2008 15:05:07] <klinstifen> i'll stick with it
[07-Jan-2008 15:05:35] <klinstifen> the debian/ubuntu install guide suggested /usr/local/zenoss
[07-Jan-2008 15:15:41] <klinstifen> cluther_: would perf templates referencing /usr/local/zenoss cause zenperf, command, and process from running?
[07-Jan-2008 15:21:19] <cluther_> You're talking about COMMAND type data sources that reference that path? If so, then no.. zencommand would still run.
[07-Jan-2008 15:24:32] <klinstifen> cluther_: hmm...well, on a fresh install of centos5.1 and zenoss 2.1.2 everything works fine
[07-Jan-2008 15:24:39] <klinstifen> all daemons are up and running
[07-Jan-2008 15:24:59] <klinstifen> but when i zenrestore my 2.1.1 data several things fail
[07-Jan-2008 15:25:16] <klinstifen> the dashboard is blank, but more importantly those three daemons will not stay up
[07-Jan-2008 15:28:40] <klinstifen> i think i'll have to do a more manual mirate
[07-Jan-2008 15:28:42] <klinstifen> *migrate
[07-Jan-2008 15:33:27] <cluther_> klinstifen: Did you try just running zenmigrate after doing the upgrade then restarting everything?
[07-Jan-2008 15:34:49] <klinstifen> cluther_: i did.  the first time all of zenoss was started when i zenmigrated
[07-Jan-2008 15:35:30] <klinstifen> does it matter if they are all running rather then just zopectl
[07-Jan-2008 15:50:28] <Xander77> Is there a way to have performance graphs or reports automatically refresh? (i have seen this http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/335 has there been an update?)
[07-Jan-2008 15:50:39] <adytum-bot> Title: #335 (auto reload of performance graphs) - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[07-Jan-2008 15:52:59] <cluther_> Xander77: No update on that one.. it would be on the ticket. For such a simple thing this one has been outstanding for a long time.
[07-Jan-2008 15:54:55] <Xander77> Ok thanks. Yeh its a bit odd it hasn't been implemented. No worries, ill figure something out
[07-Jan-2008 16:19:44] <klinstifen> cluther_: when i zenrestore the Products directory is not restored properly...could this cause those three processes to fail?
[07-Jan-2008 16:20:46] <cluther_> It could be related. zenrestore isn't supposed to restore the Products directory. That only contains code. zenbackup/zenrestore only backs up and restores data (events, performance and configuration)
[07-Jan-2008 16:21:18] <cluther_> Moving the data onto a new system then running zenmigrate should upgrade your data to be compatible with the code in Products.
[07-Jan-2008 16:26:04] <klinstifen> cluther_: ok.  i'll restore that dir and give it a shot
[07-Jan-2008 16:36:00] <klinstifen> no dice, same problems
[07-Jan-2008 16:40:45] <klinstifen> cluther_: i am getting iteration  over non-sequence errors in the log for those three processes?
[07-Jan-2008 16:40:53] <klinstifen> any ideas or clues?
[07-Jan-2008 16:44:01] <klinstifen> anyone else done a migration that resulted in these symptoms:
[07-Jan-2008 16:44:48] <klinstifen> dashboard blank, zenprocess/command/perfsnmp all repeatedly fail, available portlets is empty (could be related to dashboard blank)
[07-Jan-2008 16:47:36] <Xander77> Should you be able to create Custom Properties in any class? It lets me add them in any class, but they only display in the list if I create them in /Devices. Any sub-class doesn't work
[07-Jan-2008 16:48:00] <Xander77> *Any sub-class of /Devices doesn't work
[07-Jan-2008 16:51:06] <klinstifen> xander77: doesn't work as in you can't do it or it doesn't propagate to the devices in the sub-class?
[07-Jan-2008 16:53:04] <klinstifen> cluther_: actually the permissions for the folders/files I copied from 2.1.1/Products to 2.1.2/Products weren't correct
[07-Jan-2008 16:53:21] <klinstifen> I changed them and restarted zenoss and now those processes are up and running
[07-Jan-2008 16:53:31] <klinstifen> I don't want to speak too soon, but I think that was the issue
[07-Jan-2008 16:53:44] <klinstifen> now if only i can fix my blank dashboard issue...
[07-Jan-2008 16:59:05] <Xander77> klinstifen: If I try to create a Custom Property in a sub class of /Devices, it says its added it, but doesn't display in the list. If I attempt to add it again (with the same name), I get a Python error saying "invalid or duplicate"
[07-Jan-2008 16:59:32] <Xander77> Currently I'm working around this by adding them for /Devices as propogation is working
[07-Jan-2008 17:03:08] <klinstifen> xander:let me see if i can duplicate your problem
[07-Jan-2008 17:03:21] <klinstifen> anyone know how to reset the dashboard to factory config?
[07-Jan-2008 17:07:40] <Xander77> klinstifen: I know its not ideal but you could re-create your user account, that would give you the default
[07-Jan-2008 17:12:58] <klinstifen> ... that would actually be a perfect solution!  my user account is pretty much the default anyway...
[07-Jan-2008 17:14:49] <klinstifen> i wonder what kind of chaos it will cause if i delete the admin account
[07-Jan-2008 17:18:34] <Xander77> hehe as far I can tell you can't
[07-Jan-2008 17:18:43] <Xander77> It won't let you delete it
[07-Jan-2008 17:18:52] <Xander77> so I've set some really complex password on it
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[07-Jan-2008 17:42:09] <klinstifen> bummers...that's the account that has the missing dashboard
[07-Jan-2008 17:42:28] <Xander77> dam
[07-Jan-2008 17:59:56] <twm1010> Hello
[07-Jan-2008 18:00:03] <klinstifen> hi
[07-Jan-2008 18:00:55] <twm1010> How goes it?
[07-Jan-2008 18:02:17] <klinstifen> meh
[07-Jan-2008 18:02:58] <MoreDakka> Anyone alive in here today?
[07-Jan-2008 18:03:29] <MoreDakka> Alright, well I'll ask anyways and hope someone answers ;-)
[07-Jan-2008 18:04:21] <MoreDakka> Can zenoss, with the SNMP-Informant monitor hardware "heartbeats"?  The servers have Dell OpenManage Server software on it so I can have it send traps which is great but it would be even better if Zenoss could just do all the work ;-)
[07-Jan-2008 18:05:42] <twm1010> MoreDakka
[07-Jan-2008 18:05:45] <twm1010> I think you are in luck :)
[07-Jan-2008 18:14:50] <twm1010> The informant, i would think, simply installs some extra OID's that Zenoss can query with SNMPGET
[07-Jan-2008 18:15:23] <twm1010> The question is then, what information exactly do you want it to check on?
[07-Jan-2008 18:15:59] <klinstifen> xander77: i duplicated the issue you were having..doesn't look like additional properties can be added to sub-classes
[07-Jan-2008 18:15:59] <MoreDakka> Like I said I need a hardware heartbeat or an indication on when a piece of hardware fails (ie cpu, memory, powersupply, hdd...etc...etc)
[07-Jan-2008 18:16:23] <twm1010> Let openmanage do that for you, by sending an SNMP trap to Zenoss
[07-Jan-2008 18:16:43] <twm1010> Is your management NIC configured?
[07-Jan-2008 18:16:48] <MoreDakka> That seems like the best way to do it, I just thought zenoss could read from opemanage and go from there.
[07-Jan-2008 18:16:57] <twm1010> It may be able to as well
[07-Jan-2008 18:17:05] <twm1010> You would probably need a MIB for that
[07-Jan-2008 18:18:02] <MoreDakka> I think I'll just work with the traps.  that would be the best thing to do.  Now to find the mib ;-)
[07-Jan-2008 18:18:06] <twm1010> I would think OpenManage would generate a Windows event
[07-Jan-2008 18:18:14] <twm1010> which WMI from Zenoss will pick up
[07-Jan-2008 18:18:18] <twm1010> so thats one more place to get it from
[07-Jan-2008 18:18:51] <MoreDakka> The company that we monitor wan't the least amount of stuff installed.  I think I'll leave WMI out of this for now.
[07-Jan-2008 18:19:22] <twm1010> Well that doesn't require any more than you've already configured though, WMI is already running.
[07-Jan-2008 18:19:46] <twm1010> I've been using the WMIv2 Zenpack and am getting oodles of good data from my windows boxes
[07-Jan-2008 18:19:59] <MoreDakka> WMI requires username and password though doesn't it?
[07-Jan-2008 18:20:07] <MoreDakka> <never worked with WMI>
[07-Jan-2008 18:20:49] <twm1010> Yes
[07-Jan-2008 18:21:08] <MoreDakka> That's something we have never configured.  WMI needs to be installed right?
[07-Jan-2008 18:21:28] <twm1010> No, WMI is installed by default.
[07-Jan-2008 18:22:17] <twm1010> You're using Zenoss to monitor someone else's equipment then?
[07-Jan-2008 18:22:24] <MoreDakka> That is correct.
[07-Jan-2008 18:23:42] <twm1010> Gotcha, so the idea is to not be very intrusive correct?
[07-Jan-2008 18:24:45] <MoreDakka> That is correct.  We have the SNMP-Informant installed on the servers now.  I'm logged into their machines to see if WMI installed.  Sorry for my lack of knowledge in this area but would that be under Add/Remove Windows Components?
[07-Jan-2008 18:25:40] <twm1010> WMI is installed and activated by default
[07-Jan-2008 18:25:44] <twm1010> its a core component of windows
[07-Jan-2008 18:26:18] <twm1010> Go into Services, scroll all the way to the bottom
[07-Jan-2008 18:26:22] <twm1010> you'll see it running
[07-Jan-2008 18:26:29] <twm1010> (Windows Management Instrumentation)
[07-Jan-2008 18:27:15] <MoreDakka> Well look at that... ;-)
[07-Jan-2008 18:27:26] <twm1010> Does the account you were given have Admin access?
[07-Jan-2008 18:27:32] <MoreDakka> Yep
[07-Jan-2008 18:27:44] <twm1010> Are they running active directory?
[07-Jan-2008 18:27:50] <MoreDakka> Does wmi requre and account that is admin?
[07-Jan-2008 18:27:51] <MoreDakka> Yes.
[07-Jan-2008 18:28:10] <twm1010> Now, is that account a "domain admin" ?
[07-Jan-2008 18:28:30] <twm1010> Ideally, it should not be.
[07-Jan-2008 18:28:53] <twm1010> I would hope they simply gave that account admin access on each individual server, or the necessary rights via group policy
[07-Jan-2008 18:30:07] <MoreDakka> My account is a domain admin.
[07-Jan-2008 18:31:01] <MoreDakka> but if we wanted to monitor via wmi we would have a seperate account created that has restricted access, correct?
[07-Jan-2008 18:31:14] <twm1010> Right, thats the correct way to do it
[07-Jan-2008 18:31:51] <twm1010> but for the sake of seeing how this works, you could use the account they gave you
[07-Jan-2008 18:32:19] <twm1010> the risk of it, is if your Zenoss machine is compromised, the attacker has the keys to their kingdom
[07-Jan-2008 18:32:38] <MoreDakka> Ah alright.  I think, for now anyways, I'll recommend to use SNMP Traps for the server management and make a recommendation to get a WMI user  going later.
[07-Jan-2008 18:33:32] <twm1010> Sure, even XP has WMI though, so get it going on your own workstation or something, and then set the username/password of your own box in the zproperties of your workstation
[07-Jan-2008 18:33:52] <MoreDakka> I don't think our box is compromised but I don't like to take that risk.  Ah, good idea...I'll try that out :D
[07-Jan-2008 18:34:54] <twm1010> You'll get almost an obnoxious amount of information after that
[07-Jan-2008 18:35:10] <twm1010> For instance, I can tell you that the groupwise mail client has crashed on my terminal server 122 times today :)
[07-Jan-2008 18:35:22] <MoreDakka> haha
[07-Jan-2008 18:36:04] <twm1010> Once I get my netware performance template done, I'm going to start in to see what I can get from DellOpenManage,HPInsightManager, and IBMDirector
[07-Jan-2008 18:36:12] <twm1010> we use all three here, its mind boggling
[07-Jan-2008 18:36:29] <MoreDakka> Does zenoss store the wmi password encrypted?
[07-Jan-2008 18:37:38] <MoreDakka> How do you model a device using WMI only.  Just turn off SNMP on that device?
[07-Jan-2008 18:39:36] <twm1010> I don't believe the modeling is done via WMI
[07-Jan-2008 18:39:40] <twm1010> that still comes from SNMP
[07-Jan-2008 18:42:19] <twm1010> i could be wrong though.
[07-Jan-2008 18:42:29] <MoreDakka> Oh, alright.  Sooooo......WMI is polled how often?
[07-Jan-2008 18:43:28] <MoreDakka> (sorry, haven't done any WMI monitoring in Zenoss yet)
[07-Jan-2008 18:48:04] <twm1010> probably 3 to 5 minutes
[07-Jan-2008 18:48:13] <twm1010> i think its 5
[07-Jan-2008 18:48:22] <MoreDakka> Ah, I'll just wait for a bit and see if it generates some cool stuff for me.
[07-Jan-2008 18:48:51] <MoreDakka> If SNMP on all the machines are set to RO then Zenoss is non-intrusive right?
[07-Jan-2008 18:48:55] <twm1010> if you're just using the base zenoss configuration, really all you'll get is events
[07-Jan-2008 18:49:22] <twm1010> thats right, the only intrustion being the network utilization to answer the query, which is minimal
[07-Jan-2008 18:49:54] <MoreDakka> Well, Zenoss cannot make any changes to the machines with the SNMP being RO, correct?
[07-Jan-2008 18:53:13] <klinstifen> anyone know how to reset the dashboard to original configuration?
[07-Jan-2008 18:54:21] <klinstifen> the dashboard is blank for all users
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[07-Jan-2008 20:11:10] <twm1010> heh, just told zenmib to load about 500mibs at once...
[07-Jan-2008 20:11:11] <twm1010> its taking.... a while
[07-Jan-2008 20:54:31] <grogan> hmm
[07-Jan-2008 20:55:29] <grogan> defined a few customized commands under processes/administration/define commands.
[07-Jan-2008 20:55:49] <grogan> alongside the default dns forward,reverse, ping, snmpwalk traceroute.
[07-Jan-2008 20:56:04] <grogan> but those suckers aren't showing up anywhere else to run.
[07-Jan-2008 20:56:14] <grogan> is there a way to get them to show up elsewhere?
[07-Jan-2008 21:05:33] <tijmen> hi everybody
[07-Jan-2008 21:06:16] <tijmen> does anybody know how to create a monthly report with the traffic volume of a certain interface?
[07-Jan-2008 21:14:53] <MoreDakka> If a new service is added to a box, how long will it take Zenoss to notice the service is there and start monitoring it?  Is there a way to force a refresh?
[07-Jan-2008 21:28:13] <klinstifen> MoreDakka: did you enable monitoring on that service after you added it?
[07-Jan-2008 21:29:44] <MoreDakka> well imap is being monitored on other boxes so it will be enabled for monitoring on the server.
[07-Jan-2008 21:32:07] <klinstifen> oh
[07-Jan-2008 21:32:43] <MoreDakka> Is that correct?
[07-Jan-2008 21:33:13] <johns55> should be instant if yr using snmp
[07-Jan-2008 21:33:38] <MoreDakka> I'm just wondering if it will grab it on the next polling cycle.
[07-Jan-2008 21:33:56] <johns55> it should be instant if ur using snmp
[07-Jan-2008 21:34:13] <johns55> did u add it manually?
[07-Jan-2008 21:34:19] <johns55> as an ipservice or process?
[07-Jan-2008 21:34:51] <MoreDakka> Nope, it imap is in by default in zenoss.
[07-Jan-2008 21:35:11] <grogan> hmmm figured it out.
[07-Jan-2008 21:35:12] <johns55> what?
[07-Jan-2008 21:35:30] <grogan> oh. the problem I was having :)
[07-Jan-2008 21:35:31] <grogan> heh
[07-Jan-2008 21:35:45] <johns55> i mean MoreDakka: wjat?
[07-Jan-2008 21:35:51] <grogan> oh. heh
[07-Jan-2008 21:36:33] <MoreDakka> You asked if I installed it manually, the imap service (in zenoss) is there by default for monitoring.
[07-Jan-2008 21:37:21] <johns55> yes it detected imap automatically after u modeled it?
[07-Jan-2008 21:39:00] <MoreDakka> Don't know yet, our client hasn't installed imap yet so I'm waiting but I want to make sure that I'm going to be able to find it once he installs it.
[07-Jan-2008 21:39:10] <johns55> yes of course
[07-Jan-2008 21:39:17] <johns55> once he installs imap
[07-Jan-2008 21:39:28] <johns55> u can remodel the device and it should auto pick up as an ipservice
[07-Jan-2008 21:39:43] <johns55> if not, just add the ipservice manually
[07-Jan-2008 21:40:40] <MoreDakka> Alright, that's cool ;-)  Thanks johns55
[07-Jan-2008 21:43:55] <mGryphon> Hi.
[07-Jan-2008 21:48:46] <mGryphon> I'm looking for some help with Zenoss...?
[07-Jan-2008 21:49:14] <MoreDakka> just ask the question that is on your mind and usually the person that will know the answer will answer ;-)
[07-Jan-2008 21:50:32] <mGryphon> Ahh okay. :>  I'm having trouble adding users or networks or anything but devices (because that has an "add" button right on the left.  None of the other tables do.
[07-Jan-2008 21:52:47] <mGryphon> I've read the docs and they say that there's this drop down menu... which isn't on any of the tables...  and a UI Changes spreadsheet which suggests that there is an "add" at the bottom of various tables, but that's not there either.
[07-Jan-2008 21:54:32] <klinstifen> To add devices...look at the lower-left of the main screen
[07-Jan-2008 21:54:37] <klinstifen> there's a link "Add Device"
[07-Jan-2008 21:54:55] <klinstifen> To add users...click on Settings at the lower-left of the main screen
[07-Jan-2008 21:55:00] <klinstifen> then click the Users tab
[07-Jan-2008 21:55:14] <klinstifen> and there's either a button or a down arrow (drop down)
[07-Jan-2008 21:55:18] <klinstifen> that will have the add user feature
[07-Jan-2008 21:55:35] <klinstifen> the drop down is specific for each thing you are looking at
[07-Jan-2008 21:55:46] <klinstifen> mGryphon: make sense?
[07-Jan-2008 21:57:07] <mGryphon> Add Device I got.   I click settings then the users tab and there is no button or down arrow, though.
[07-Jan-2008 21:57:49] <klinstifen> after you click on Users
[07-Jan-2008 21:57:56] <mGryphon> correct
[07-Jan-2008 21:57:57] <klinstifen> it should say admin somwhere on the screen
[07-Jan-2008 21:57:58] <klinstifen> right?
[07-Jan-2008 21:58:20] <klinstifen> does it list you admin account?
[07-Jan-2008 21:58:30] <mGryphon> There is a "Users" table (shows "Admin") and a "Group" table (shows nothing but the table header)
[07-Jan-2008 21:58:59] <klinstifen> ok...what is directly left of the word "users"
[07-Jan-2008 21:59:21] <mGryphon> nothing
[07-Jan-2008 21:59:35] <mGryphon> just a blue expanse
[07-Jan-2008 22:00:17] <klinstifen> to the right...is there a field where you could perform a search?
[07-Jan-2008 22:00:23] <mGryphon> yes
[07-Jan-2008 22:01:12] <grogan> weird
[07-Jan-2008 22:01:24] <grogan> I'm getting these error 1040's now.
[07-Jan-2008 22:02:06] <klinstifen> mGryphon: what if you click the zenpacks tab
[07-Jan-2008 22:02:06] <grogan> too many connections when trying to run some scheduled sql selects to check on processing status.
[07-Jan-2008 22:02:21] <klinstifen> is there an arrow to the left of "Loaded Zen Packs"?
[07-Jan-2008 22:02:38] <mGryphon> no
[07-Jan-2008 22:03:09] <klinstifen> is the latest version of flash installed?  what os and browser you using?
[07-Jan-2008 22:04:37] <mGryphon> IE 7 and Firefox on XP SP2 and Firefox on CentOS.  I'll check the flash version. :>
[07-Jan-2008 22:08:46] <klinstifen> mGryphon: i gotta take off, but try searching the forums...i remember seeing something like that before but i can't find the exact post right now
[07-Jan-2008 22:08:47] <klinstifen> gl
[07-Jan-2008 22:08:59] <mGryphon> okay.  thanks. 
[07-Jan-2008 22:15:54] <grogan> oops.
[07-Jan-2008 22:16:03] <grogan> stupid sessions not exiting gracefully.
[07-Jan-2008 22:26:30] <mGryphon> Gotta go myself.  I'll look at it again tomorrow.
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[08-Jan-2008 01:15:13] <nasx> has anyone successfully implemented a data collector plugin or zen pack for network appliance devices yet?
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[08-Jan-2008 12:09:28] <shibby_laptop> re you joining the bnw 2.0 call?
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[08-Jan-2008 12:18:29] <spacenerve> hi, i've been tasked with helping some1 evaluate zenoss ... which theyv installed alrdy .... i'm trying to setup a nagios plugin per instructions here -> http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/howtos/create-modify-nagios-templates/ <- but there's no 'perfconf' tab on my device, why would that be? :O
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[08-Jan-2008 12:58:43] <MovoS> hi, Ive just installed 2.1.2 and am getting 11 localhost.localdomain events from the heartbeat eventClass
[08-Jan-2008 12:59:43] <MovoS> server is on centos5 using virtual infrastructure 2.0.1
[08-Jan-2008 13:00:22] <MovoS> hosts file is: 127.0.0.1       localhost.localdomain localhost
[08-Jan-2008 13:00:29] <MovoS> 172.19.23.135   zenoss
[08-Jan-2008 13:00:58] <MovoS> Any help or links greatly appreciated, thanks.
[08-Jan-2008 13:52:22] <klinstifen> anyone running centos5.1
[08-Jan-2008 13:52:24] <klinstifen> ?
[08-Jan-2008 14:13:31] <klinstifen> is it possible to reset the dashboard...reset it back to default settings?
[08-Jan-2008 14:40:23] <twm1010> klin:i poked around, didn't see anywhere to do that
[08-Jan-2008 14:43:33] <klinstifen> gar!
[08-Jan-2008 14:43:54] <klinstifen> that's the only aspect of my upgrade i have yet to resolve
[08-Jan-2008 14:46:30] <klinstifen> twm1010: how about adding portlets?  got any ideas?
[08-Jan-2008 14:46:40] <klinstifen> my add portlets is blank too
[08-Jan-2008 15:01:55] <TheDeviant> Hey all...
[08-Jan-2008 15:15:37] <mGryphon> Hello again.
[08-Jan-2008 15:16:14] <mGryphon> Klinstifen: I'm still having the same issues you were helping me with yesterday.  Updated to the latest flash, but I still have no way to add users, etc.
[08-Jan-2008 15:18:10] <mGryphon> I looked in the forums, but the only things I saw were bugs that look like they should have been fixed by 2.1.2
[08-Jan-2008 15:32:28] <twm1010> Have you tried to clear your browser cache, just curious
[08-Jan-2008 15:45:21] <klinstifen> mGryphon; is this a new install of zenoss?
[08-Jan-2008 15:49:13] <mGryphon> back.. sorry.  yes, its a new install
[08-Jan-2008 15:50:48] <mGryphon> I did just find something in the forum which seems to describe the problem, perhaps.... but no solution.  There is an error when I go to Settings->Menus
[08-Jan-2008 15:54:10] <mGryphon> I get the same error posted at http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2669&highlight=menus
[08-Jan-2008 15:56:12] <aurax> hello
[08-Jan-2008 15:56:19] <mGryphon> oh and yes, ive tried clearing the browser cache
[08-Jan-2008 15:56:33] <aurax> can anyone help out in setting up snmp for zenoss?
[08-Jan-2008 15:57:18] <twm1010> i'll help you
[08-Jan-2008 16:00:11] <aurax> thx
[08-Jan-2008 16:00:23] <aurax> i haven't figured out how to set it.. so i don't really know where to start..
[08-Jan-2008 16:00:32] <aurax> i got zenoss server up and running perfectly as it seems
[08-Jan-2008 16:01:53] <aurax> twm1010?
[08-Jan-2008 16:06:31] <rakATzenoss> aurax -- there?
[08-Jan-2008 16:07:17] <aurax> yeh
[08-Jan-2008 16:07:33] <rakATzenoss> so, you  want to add your first device?
[08-Jan-2008 16:07:38] <aurax> yep
[08-Jan-2008 16:07:57] <rakATzenoss> cool. what type of device are you looking to add?
[08-Jan-2008 16:08:32] <rakATzenoss> network device like a router or a server?
[08-Jan-2008 16:08:45] <aurax> linux box
[08-Jan-2008 16:08:57] <aurax> server...
[08-Jan-2008 16:09:15] <rakATzenoss> what distro are you running
[08-Jan-2008 16:10:00] <aurax> this one is running ubuntu 7 server
[08-Jan-2008 16:10:02] <aurax> edition*
[08-Jan-2008 16:10:13] <aurax> 7.04 i think
[08-Jan-2008 16:10:35] <aurax> and i got snmp&snmpd deb packages installed and running
[08-Jan-2008 16:10:41] <rakATzenoss> great.
[08-Jan-2008 16:10:54] <rakATzenoss> have you done any configuration on these modules? setup the community string?
[08-Jan-2008 16:11:35] <aurax> nope
[08-Jan-2008 16:11:36] <aurax> nadda
[08-Jan-2008 16:11:37] <rakATzenoss> You'll also want to config syslog (whichever version ubuntu server is using) to forward messages to your zenoss server.
[08-Jan-2008 16:11:39] <rakATzenoss> ah ok.
[08-Jan-2008 16:11:49] <rakATzenoss> well, let's just leave is for now.
[08-Jan-2008 16:11:56] <aurax> ok
[08-Jan-2008 16:12:16] <rakATzenoss> so in zenoss, you're going to click the "add device" menu item under the "Management" category on the left nav menu.
[08-Jan-2008 16:12:18] <twm1010> sorry about that aurax,got called away :|
[08-Jan-2008 16:12:28] <aurax> ah its okay twm1010
[08-Jan-2008 16:12:40] <aurax> ok
[08-Jan-2008 16:12:46] <aurax> (wb)
[08-Jan-2008 16:13:06] <aurax> i'm there rakATzenoss
[08-Jan-2008 16:13:13] <rakATzenoss> so in this form, you'll want to provide the device name -- this can be a resolving host name or IP address.
[08-Jan-2008 16:13:15] <twm1010> rak seems to know more linux voodoo then i do, you're probably better off with him :)
[08-Jan-2008 16:13:33] <aurax> hehe :)
[08-Jan-2008 16:13:40] <rakATzenoss> no voodoo here! :)
[08-Jan-2008 16:13:40] <aurax> okay i got the hostname and all
[08-Jan-2008 16:13:45] <aurax> choosed server/linux
[08-Jan-2008 16:13:58] <rakATzenoss> great enter "Public" for the Snmp community...
[08-Jan-2008 16:14:00] <aurax> snmp community public
[08-Jan-2008 16:14:06] <aurax> case sensitive?
[08-Jan-2008 16:14:18] <rakATzenoss> yes
[08-Jan-2008 16:14:22] <aurax> ok
[08-Jan-2008 16:14:36] <rakATzenoss> click Add Device
[08-Jan-2008 16:14:44] <aurax> ok
[08-Jan-2008 16:14:49] <aurax> waiting
[08-Jan-2008 16:15:27] <rakATzenoss> now in the left nav menu, click "Device Llist"
[08-Jan-2008 16:15:41] <aurax> no snmp found for ip
[08-Jan-2008 16:15:43] <aurax> uhm
[08-Jan-2008 16:15:43] <rakATzenoss> you should see the device you just added in this list.
[08-Jan-2008 16:15:56] <rakATzenoss> eh, maybe the service didn't get started in ubuntu.
[08-Jan-2008 16:16:17] <aurax> jah saying cannot open /var/proc something
[08-Jan-2008 16:16:20] <aurax> sec ill have a look
[08-Jan-2008 16:17:10] <aurax> oh okay
[08-Jan-2008 16:17:17] <aurax> its crying abuot ipv6
[08-Jan-2008 16:17:19] <rakATzenoss> in the meantime, I'm firing up an ubuntu box.
[08-Jan-2008 16:17:20] <aurax> i disabled it
[08-Jan-2008 16:17:28] <aurax> alright
[08-Jan-2008 16:17:51] <rakATzenoss> to retry the modeling step, click your device in the device list...
[08-Jan-2008 16:18:12] <aurax> ok
[08-Jan-2008 16:18:24] <aurax> it's not there
[08-Jan-2008 16:18:27] <aurax> hmmm
[08-Jan-2008 16:18:29] <rakATzenoss> ah ok...
[08-Jan-2008 16:18:37] <rakATzenoss> try re-adding.
[08-Jan-2008 16:18:40] <aurax> how should i configure snmp on the remote ?
[08-Jan-2008 16:18:53] <aurax> install it is enough?
[08-Jan-2008 16:18:57] <rakATzenoss> that's what I'm looking at now.
[08-Jan-2008 16:19:07] <rakATzenoss> got ubuntu running here now.
[08-Jan-2008 16:19:10] <rakATzenoss> let's see here.
[08-Jan-2008 16:19:42] <rakATzenoss> i'm fairly certain it's installed with the default community of "public"
[08-Jan-2008 16:20:26] <aurax> ah yeh
[08-Jan-2008 16:20:35] <aurax> still saying no snmp found for ...
[08-Jan-2008 16:20:43] <twm1010> firewall?
[08-Jan-2008 16:20:52] <twm1010> port 161 must be open
[08-Jan-2008 16:20:53] <rakATzenoss> box on the same net segment?
[08-Jan-2008 16:21:22] <aurax> no firewall..
[08-Jan-2008 16:21:25] <aurax> and it's not opend
[08-Jan-2008 16:22:17] <aurax> hmm
[08-Jan-2008 16:22:31] <rakATzenoss> hold on a sec... I'll be where you are in a sec here.
[08-Jan-2008 16:22:37] <aurax> ok
[08-Jan-2008 16:23:38] <aurax> oh
[08-Jan-2008 16:23:39] <aurax> i know why
[08-Jan-2008 16:23:42] <aurax> it assigned to 127.0.0.1
[08-Jan-2008 16:23:45] <aurax> lame /etc/hosts
[08-Jan-2008 16:24:33] <aurax> nope... still not working
[08-Jan-2008 16:24:45] <rakATzenoss> ok, give me a sec -- just installed snmp in my ubuntu vm
[08-Jan-2008 16:24:53] <aurax> ok
[08-Jan-2008 16:25:17] <rakATzenoss> make sure snmpd is started...
[08-Jan-2008 16:25:28] <rakATzenoss> run: //
[08-Jan-2008 16:25:29] <rakATzenoss> run /
[08-Jan-2008 16:25:37] <rakATzenoss> run /etc/init.d/snmpd start
[08-Jan-2008 16:25:47] <aurax> it's started
[08-Jan-2008 16:25:51] <aurax> no binding to ip tho
[08-Jan-2008 16:26:25] <rakATzenoss> your netconfig is ok on this server right?
[08-Jan-2008 16:26:56] <aurax> sure
[08-Jan-2008 16:28:30] <aurax> mtu 9000 should interfear right?
[08-Jan-2008 16:28:35] <aurax> shouldn't
[08-Jan-2008 16:29:12] <rakATzenoss> no.
[08-Jan-2008 16:29:50] <aurax> ok
[08-Jan-2008 16:30:16] <aurax> hmm
[08-Jan-2008 16:30:49] <rakATzenoss> oh right -- we need to run snmpconf
[08-Jan-2008 16:30:54] <aurax> oo
[08-Jan-2008 16:30:56] <aurax> ok
[08-Jan-2008 16:31:04] <rakATzenoss> this basically sets up snmpd.conf on the server.
[08-Jan-2008 16:31:18] <aurax> yep, i'm there.
[08-Jan-2008 16:31:41] <aurax> access control setup ?
[08-Jan-2008 16:31:56] <rakATzenoss> yes -- need to allow public access to snmp
[08-Jan-2008 16:32:24] <aurax> so it's snmpv1/snmpv2... read-write access..
[08-Jan-2008 16:32:30] <aurax> and choose public all unrestricted
[08-Jan-2008 16:33:26] <rakATzenoss> I wouldn't allow write access -- but for testing purposes, might be fine.
[08-Jan-2008 16:33:31] <aurax> there is still no port assigned...
[08-Jan-2008 16:33:34] <rakATzenoss> I'm assuming this is not a production server.
[08-Jan-2008 16:33:40] <aurax> its not opening port...
[08-Jan-2008 16:35:09] <aurax> maybe i need libnet-snmp ?
[08-Jan-2008 16:35:41] <rakATzenoss> nah.
[08-Jan-2008 16:35:46] <rakATzenoss> it's just the setup here.
[08-Jan-2008 16:35:53] <rakATzenoss> getting it going now
[08-Jan-2008 16:38:55] <aurax> -x port name
[08-Jan-2008 16:38:59] <aurax> jap working
[08-Jan-2008 16:39:10] <aurax> "device jupiter loaded!"
[08-Jan-2008 16:41:00] <klinstifen> anyone ever experience YAHOO.zenoss.portlet.ProdStatePortlet is not a constructor?
[08-Jan-2008 16:43:38] <aurax> rakATzenoss?
[08-Jan-2008 16:43:45] <rakATzenoss> yeah I'm here.
[08-Jan-2008 16:43:51] <rakATzenoss> still looking at unbuntu
[08-Jan-2008 16:44:41] <aurax> seems like default snmp installion in ubuntu does not specify ip
[08-Jan-2008 16:44:42] <aurax> SNMPDOPTS='-Lsd -Lf /dev/null -p /var/run/snmpd.pid -x 162'
[08-Jan-2008 16:44:46] <aurax> to fix in init.d script
[08-Jan-2008 16:44:59] <rakATzenoss> lovely.
[08-Jan-2008 16:45:06] <aurax> yeh..
[08-Jan-2008 16:46:49] <rakATzenoss> btw, that should be port 161.
[08-Jan-2008 16:47:21] <aurax> oh
[08-Jan-2008 16:52:55] <aurax> ok
[08-Jan-2008 16:53:01] <aurax> everything work's here.
[08-Jan-2008 16:53:09] <rakATzenoss> what did you have to mod?
[08-Jan-2008 16:53:22] <rakATzenoss> something's up with ubuntu here.
[08-Jan-2008 16:53:35] <rakATzenoss> doesn't seem to be binding snmpd to the right ip.
[08-Jan-2008 16:54:08] <aurax> i modded the init.d script
[08-Jan-2008 16:54:22] <aurax> see the SNMPDOPTS variable
[08-Jan-2008 16:54:37] <rakATzenoss> yep.
[08-Jan-2008 16:54:42] <aurax> that's the one
[08-Jan-2008 16:54:53] <aurax> and add your hostname to external ip in /etc/hosts
[08-Jan-2008 16:55:23] <rakATzenoss> oh christ..
[08-Jan-2008 16:55:43] <aurax> jah
[08-Jan-2008 16:57:38] <aurax> weird now it's down again
[08-Jan-2008 16:58:27] <rakATzenoss> I'm bouncing ubunty
[08-Jan-2008 17:00:25] <mGryphon> klinstifen: any more ideas of what I might try?
[08-Jan-2008 17:01:09] <klinstifen> mGryphon: what os is zenoss install on?
[08-Jan-2008 17:01:17] <mGryphon> Centos 5
[08-Jan-2008 17:01:36] <aurax> ok found it
[08-Jan-2008 17:02:31] <rakATzenoss> what you find?
[08-Jan-2008 17:02:44] <aurax> it's working but binding to 0.0.0.0
[08-Jan-2008 17:02:54] <rakATzenoss> that's better than localhost
[08-Jan-2008 17:02:56] <aurax> but it's working...
[08-Jan-2008 17:02:58] <klinstifen> Gryph: i dunno...right now i am stuggling with cent myself
[08-Jan-2008 17:03:05] <klinstifen> my dashboard is missing
[08-Jan-2008 17:03:32] <mGryphon> My dashboard is present. (I think) Just those pesky buttons.
[08-Jan-2008 17:03:54] <aurax> in /etc/default/snmpd
[08-Jan-2008 17:03:55] <aurax> # snmpd options (use syslog, close stdin/out/err).
[08-Jan-2008 17:03:55] <aurax> SNMPDOPTS='-Lsd -Lf /dev/null -x 161 -u snmp -I -smux -p /var/run/snmpd.pid 10.10.50.122'
[08-Jan-2008 17:04:00] <klinstifen> gryph: is is only those buttons or anything with the down arrow?
[08-Jan-2008 17:04:14] <mGryphon> There are no down arrows anywhere
[08-Jan-2008 17:04:33] <mGryphon> so far as I know, that's it..  But it makes it difficult to do much with the system.
[08-Jan-2008 17:04:39] <rakATzenoss> damn.
[08-Jan-2008 17:04:40] <rakATzenoss> ok
[08-Jan-2008 17:04:49] <twm1010> klinst: have you tried accessing the dashboard from another computer?
[08-Jan-2008 17:05:52] <rakATzenoss> wow -- I thought Ubuntu was supposed to be the feel-good distro!
[08-Jan-2008 17:06:08] <rakATzenoss> cool, so zenoos modeled your server right?
[08-Jan-2008 17:06:10] <aurax> lol
[08-Jan-2008 17:06:15] <aurax> yep
[08-Jan-2008 17:06:16] <klinstifen> twm: yes I have...no dice
[08-Jan-2008 17:06:18] <rakATzenoss> terrfic.
[08-Jan-2008 17:06:23] <aurax> but i still see in zenoss device list
[08-Jan-2008 17:06:26] <aurax> that snmp is red flaged
[08-Jan-2008 17:07:18] <rakATzenoss> that might be related tot he specific snmp setup...
[08-Jan-2008 17:07:25] <aurax> ok
[08-Jan-2008 17:07:32] <rakATzenoss> this is where the snmpdconf comes into play...
[08-Jan-2008 17:07:48] <rakATzenoss> of course, if you're familiar with snmp it's easier to mod the snmpd.conf file...
[08-Jan-2008 17:07:59] <aurax> jap
[08-Jan-2008 17:09:07] <aurax> hmm
[08-Jan-2008 17:09:09] <aurax> so what's next? :D
[08-Jan-2008 17:09:53] <rakATzenoss> try setting up syslog on your ubuntu server to forward messages to zenoss.
[08-Jan-2008 17:11:01] <MoreDakka> Any cisco ACL guru's here?
[08-Jan-2008 17:11:41] <aurax> brb have to reconnect
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[08-Jan-2008 17:27:43] <aurax_> rakATzenoss, done..
[08-Jan-2008 17:27:49] <rakATzenoss> cool.
[08-Jan-2008 17:28:13] <rakATzenoss> done being the syslog redirection?
[08-Jan-2008 17:28:22] <aurax_> yes, how do i check it ?
[08-Jan-2008 17:28:27] <rakATzenoss> to test, try su'ing a few times.
[08-Jan-2008 17:28:44] <rakATzenoss> of course, enter the wrong pass.
[08-Jan-2008 17:29:37] <aurax_> i see event console
[08-Jan-2008 17:30:01] <rakATzenoss> go to the device.
[08-Jan-2008 17:30:24] <rakATzenoss> then on the box, do a su -  and enter the wrong pass.
[08-Jan-2008 17:30:33] <rakATzenoss> usually throws a syslog alert.
[08-Jan-2008 17:31:00] <rakATzenoss> you'll see one of the color indicators increment on the device page after a refresh
[08-Jan-2008 17:31:34] <aurax_> yeh
[08-Jan-2008 17:31:43] <aurax_> i can see in the event console the box syslog
[08-Jan-2008 17:33:44] <aurax_> what else can i do with zenoss ?
[08-Jan-2008 17:33:45] <aurax_> :D
[08-Jan-2008 17:34:10] <rakATzenoss> heh, this is a nice test for me -- I start fulltime at zenoss next week!
[08-Jan-2008 17:34:16] <rakATzenoss> :)
[08-Jan-2008 17:34:26] <aurax_> work there?
[08-Jan-2008 17:34:30] <rakATzenoss> yes.
[08-Jan-2008 17:34:32] <aurax_> ah nice
[08-Jan-2008 17:34:36] <aurax_> good luck mate
[08-Jan-2008 17:34:54] <rakATzenoss> so, take a look at the process monitoring stuff.
[08-Jan-2008 17:35:14] <rakATzenoss> very cool for keeping on tabs of any processes running on a device
[08-Jan-2008 17:35:23] <rakATzenoss> also, try adding a network device running snmp.
[08-Jan-2008 17:36:09] <aurax_> nice
[08-Jan-2008 17:36:10] <aurax_> ok
[08-Jan-2008 17:36:47] <rakATzenoss> there are also some cool zenpacks and a great supporting community.
[08-Jan-2008 17:37:21] <rakATzenoss> another nice real world use-case might be to use the http monitor to monitor a Web site's status.
[08-Jan-2008 17:40:19] <aurax_> nice
[08-Jan-2008 17:40:22] <aurax_> this seems really cool
[08-Jan-2008 17:40:47] <rakATzenoss> it's really a great product.
[08-Jan-2008 17:41:23] <rakATzenoss> the extensibility is key...
[08-Jan-2008 17:41:44] <rakATzenoss> We're going to see some very cool zenpacks coming this year.
[08-Jan-2008 17:44:09] <twm1010> I really hope so.
[08-Jan-2008 17:44:16] <twm1010> the WMI one helped me out big-time
[08-Jan-2008 17:44:24] <rakATzenoss> great.
[08-Jan-2008 17:44:30] <twm1010> I'm working on a Netware one right now.
[08-Jan-2008 17:44:37] <rakATzenoss> very nice.
[08-Jan-2008 17:44:49] <rakATzenoss> you got it up on the zenoss server?
[08-Jan-2008 17:44:52] <twm1010> I'm having trouble deciding what to monitor though, besides CPU performance
[08-Jan-2008 17:44:57] <rakATzenoss> publicize it -- you'll get a ton of help.
[08-Jan-2008 17:45:09] <rakATzenoss> on a netware server???
[08-Jan-2008 17:45:16] <rakATzenoss> storage usage.
[08-Jan-2008 17:45:30] <rakATzenoss> that's HUGE.
[08-Jan-2008 17:45:34] <twm1010> Yeah, I've really just got more reading to do, on how to get it to model devices, and recognize things
[08-Jan-2008 17:45:40] <rakATzenoss> network connections.
[08-Jan-2008 17:45:51] <rakATzenoss> err rather open network connections...
[08-Jan-2008 17:45:51] <twm1010> I can pull everything I need using the nagios plug-in check_nwstat
[08-Jan-2008 17:46:06] <twm1010> SNMP data seems kind of inconsistent between my servers
[08-Jan-2008 17:46:11] * rakATzenoss thinking back to the mid-nineties and netware headaches...
[08-Jan-2008 17:46:16] <twm1010> almost like some of them don't support the host-resources mib
[08-Jan-2008 17:46:30] <rakATzenoss> running the same version of netware?
[08-Jan-2008 17:46:35] <rakATzenoss> same build level and all?
[08-Jan-2008 17:46:41] <twm1010> yeah, but all from different upgrade scenarios
[08-Jan-2008 17:46:47] <rakATzenoss> ah interesting.
[08-Jan-2008 17:46:55] <twm1010> for instance my two servers here on-site were upgrades from v.4, to v5, to 6.5
[08-Jan-2008 17:47:00] <rakATzenoss> ah ok.
[08-Jan-2008 17:47:04] <twm1010> whereas the ones at HQ are 5.1 to 6.5
[08-Jan-2008 17:47:12] <twm1010> some are open enterprise, some are not
[08-Jan-2008 17:47:30] <rakATzenoss> netware invented inconsistency after upgrades... ms perfected it.
[08-Jan-2008 17:48:05] <twm1010> Hah, well I think the Zenpack will be a mix of methods, i think performance may come from the nagios plug-in, but storage information/modeling may come from SNMP
[08-Jan-2008 17:48:37] <rakATzenoss> well, like I said, don't be afraid to publicize -- I'm sure there are many others out there that can lend a hand.
[08-Jan-2008 17:48:46] <twm1010> I just moved my Zenoss VM from an old server to a very, VERY, powerful ESX box, things are moving nicely now.
[08-Jan-2008 17:48:58] <rakATzenoss> heh, I run mine on a macbook pro.
[08-Jan-2008 17:49:11] <rakATzenoss> er. my zenoss vm
[08-Jan-2008 17:49:22] <rakATzenoss> and my client boxes.
[08-Jan-2008 17:49:38] <twm1010> nice
[08-Jan-2008 17:49:39] <rakATzenoss> I'm a mad-man when it comes to VMs...
[08-Jan-2008 17:49:45] <twm1010> did you have to expand the virtual disk size?
[08-Jan-2008 17:49:55] <rakATzenoss> nah.
[08-Jan-2008 17:50:04] <rakATzenoss> but you do have to specify the memory.
[08-Jan-2008 17:50:14] <twm1010> mine filled up in about a week
[08-Jan-2008 17:50:16] <rakATzenoss> that for some reason doesn't get stored with the vmware appliance.
[08-Jan-2008 17:50:38] <rakATzenoss> check your logging levels.
[08-Jan-2008 17:51:09] <twm1010> Actually, I've been wondering, where is data retention configured? How much history does Zenoss keep? Is it different for perf data than for events?
[08-Jan-2008 17:51:31] <rakATzenoss> we had a case come thru support recently where a baracuda spam server with a low log threshold filled the zenoss db.
[08-Jan-2008 17:51:54] <rakATzenoss> mysql is used to store events.
[08-Jan-2008 17:51:55] <rakATzenoss> I
[08-Jan-2008 17:52:11] <rakATzenoss> 'm not sure how events are offloaded if at all.
[08-Jan-2008 17:52:41] <rakATzenoss> as far as perf data, i <believe> it is stored using rrd
[08-Jan-2008 17:53:46] <rakATzenoss> of course I should add the disclaimer that I start officially at zenoss next week, so my knowledge is not up to speed.
[08-Jan-2008 17:54:08] <rakATzenoss> if you need a more solid answer, post your question to the zenoss forums.
[08-Jan-2008 17:54:24] <twm1010> Well. Ihaven't approached zenpack creation yet, I'll be starting that soon. Netware is dying a slow death, I'm sure some people will want it
[08-Jan-2008 17:54:32] <twm1010> S
[08-Jan-2008 17:55:16] <rakATzenoss> it works -- just add storage. Use zenoss to prove your case that it's dead.
[08-Jan-2008 17:55:18] <twm1010> We use a lot of Novell stuff here. I may see about a Groupwise and BorderManager Zenpack as well
[08-Jan-2008 17:55:39] <rakATzenoss> Groupwise would be cool -- never used BorderManager.
[08-Jan-2008 17:56:22] <twm1010> Well groupwise comes with SNMP goodies, I would love to track mail statistics across the POAs
[08-Jan-2008 17:57:27] <MuseHome> My log is filled with. "skipping WinServer has bad wmi state" any ideas?
[08-Jan-2008 17:57:48] <rakATzenoss> this is on one server in particular?
[08-Jan-2008 17:58:22] <rakATzenoss> I'd love to start a directory of snmp-enabled hardware/software.
[08-Jan-2008 17:58:34] <MuseHome> humm this might be the 2000 problem..
[08-Jan-2008 17:58:42] <rakATzenoss> It would be an ambitious process, but extremely helpful to zenoss users.
[08-Jan-2008 17:59:01] <twm1010> I imported like 600 mibs yesterday, it took maybe 30 minutes
[08-Jan-2008 17:59:03] <rakATzenoss> 2000 problem?
[08-Jan-2008 17:59:17] <rakATzenoss> not bad at all.
[08-Jan-2008 17:59:28] <MuseHome> "Zenwin does not currently work on Windows 2000"
[08-Jan-2008 18:00:00] <rakATzenoss> hmm
[08-Jan-2008 18:00:08] <MuseHome> but I've lost all my WMI data. last week. found wmic  running at 90%
[08-Jan-2008 18:01:47] <twm1010> Try restarting the WMI service?
[08-Jan-2008 18:02:18] <MuseHome> and I had to kill zenwinmodeler
[08-Jan-2008 18:02:30] <MuseHome> would not restart or stop.
[08-Jan-2008 18:02:56] <MuseHome> is wmi in zenwinmodeler?
[08-Jan-2008 18:03:33] <twm1010> well wmic is the command zenoss uses to query WMI
[08-Jan-2008 18:04:30] <MuseHome> right but what modul calls it?
[08-Jan-2008 18:06:43] <twm1010> zenwinmodeler would certainly call it
[08-Jan-2008 18:07:05] <twm1010> and maybe zenwin ?
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[08-Jan-2008 18:10:19] <MuseHome> on that I killed it and restarted zenoss. I dont' see any wmic processes. ps -ef | grep wmic
[08-Jan-2008 18:10:37] <twm1010> well, i don't think wmic would be running all the time
[08-Jan-2008 18:10:41] <twm1010> only when executing a query
[08-Jan-2008 18:10:57] <twm1010> it happens so fast,it's be pretty hard to catch it
[08-Jan-2008 18:11:21] <twm1010> did you try restarting the WMI service on the Windows machine that is generating the events?
[08-Jan-2008 18:11:35] <MuseHome> ok. so wmic setting in top running at 90 was realy bad :-)
[08-Jan-2008 18:11:48] <MuseHome> no I havn't.
[08-Jan-2008 18:11:57] <twm1010> Right, its not a complicated process, its really not much different than an SNMPGET
[08-Jan-2008 18:12:25] <MuseHome> do you happen to know what log the wmic info would be in?
[08-Jan-2008 18:12:27] <twm1010> it provides the windows box supplied credentials and says "what is this value?" its a text transaction, should have little to no overhead
[08-Jan-2008 18:12:29] <grogan> hmm
[08-Jan-2008 18:13:07] <twm1010> Well I should say the end result isn't much different than an SNMPget, WMI certainly is a bit different under the hood
[08-Jan-2008 18:13:50] <MuseHome> sure...
[08-Jan-2008 18:14:01] <twm1010> couldn't tell you which log...probably zenwinmodeler or zenwin
[08-Jan-2008 18:14:30] <grogan> is there a command line way to generate missing rrd files
[08-Jan-2008 18:14:51] <twm1010> grogan: they were there before and are now gone? or are these new datapoints?
[08-Jan-2008 18:15:01] <grogan> no. they weren't there before :P
[08-Jan-2008 18:15:09] <grogan> didn't have rrdtool installed earlier.
[08-Jan-2008 18:15:15] <twm1010> they will autogenerate as soon as it starts pulling data
[08-Jan-2008 18:15:32] <twm1010> your graphs say something like data file missing ?
[08-Jan-2008 18:15:36] <grogan> is there a way to kickstart that process?
[08-Jan-2008 18:15:37] <grogan> eah.
[08-Jan-2008 18:15:39] <grogan> yeah
[08-Jan-2008 18:15:55] <twm1010> not really, two succesful queries and you should be on your way
[08-Jan-2008 18:16:07] <twm1010> i mean, there might be.
[08-Jan-2008 18:16:12] <twm1010> i just don't know :)
[08-Jan-2008 18:16:16] <grogan> yeah, it's been that way overnight.
[08-Jan-2008 18:16:26] <twm1010> ok, then its not getting good data from the client
[08-Jan-2008 18:16:31] <grogan> yeah. hmmm
[08-Jan-2008 18:16:43] <grogan> this is simple stuff too, like cpu idle .etc.
[08-Jan-2008 18:16:50] <grogan> stuff that cacti is currently already picking up.
[08-Jan-2008 18:16:55] <twm1010> over SNMP?
[08-Jan-2008 18:16:58] <grogan> yup
[08-Jan-2008 18:17:13] <twm1010> did you set the community under Zproperties?
[08-Jan-2008 18:17:16] <grogan> yup
[08-Jan-2008 18:17:21] <grogan> community's already set properly
[08-Jan-2008 18:17:42] <grogan> it already is picking up all the interfaces, routes, etc
[08-Jan-2008 18:17:45] <grogan> just no graphing.
[08-Jan-2008 18:17:47] <twm1010> what OS?
[08-Jan-2008 18:17:52] <grogan> gentoo.
[08-Jan-2008 18:18:28] <twm1010> Very odd, i guarantee you its something really easy
[08-Jan-2008 18:18:34] <grogan> yeah no kidding
[08-Jan-2008 18:18:50] <grogan> been googling around for this stuff, and little that is relevant is popping up
[08-Jan-2008 18:19:32] <twm1010> Where did you set the comunnity, on the zproperties of the device or the device class?
[08-Jan-2008 18:19:41] <twm1010> well shoot the community is right, becase you said it had all that other info
[08-Jan-2008 18:21:44] <twm1010> Login to the zenoss server console, and try a manual snmpwalk, ala snmpwalk -v 1 -c yourcommunityname serverIP 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.10.1.5.2
[08-Jan-2008 18:22:04] <twm1010> that should return a value for CPU load over the past 5 mins
[08-Jan-2008 18:24:56] <MuseHome> Doesn't any one know waht "Clear Heardbeats" does?
[08-Jan-2008 18:28:16] <twm1010> I've used it when one of the Zenoss daemons has been restarted, but for some reason Zenoss still thinks it is down.
[08-Jan-2008 18:33:33] <MuseHome> So I can get wmic to get data from my systems but I'm not getting anything in the wmi graphs?
[08-Jan-2008 18:40:35] <grogan> yeah it returns that.
[08-Jan-2008 18:40:48] <twm1010> grogan: then it should work :(
[08-Jan-2008 18:40:52] <grogan> yeah go figure.
[08-Jan-2008 18:41:02] <grogan> weird. maybe it was the sequence
[08-Jan-2008 18:41:12] <grogan> if I re-add, it might load the right things up.
[08-Jan-2008 18:41:13] <twm1010> are there any events generated saying anything like snmp rejected or timed out or anything?
[08-Jan-2008 18:41:17] <grogan> nope.
[08-Jan-2008 18:41:24] <grogan> gives routes, ip's. green all around.
[08-Jan-2008 18:41:30] <grogan> just no graphs.
[08-Jan-2008 18:41:37] <grogan> oh wait, one of the apc's graphs.
[08-Jan-2008 18:41:38] <grogan> heh
[08-Jan-2008 18:41:51] <grogan> and that was added way in the beginning.
[08-Jan-2008 18:42:05] <twm1010> odd, so none of your devices are showing graphs??
[08-Jan-2008 18:42:09] <grogan> yeah. go figure
[08-Jan-2008 18:42:17] <grogan> not very useful (as of yet)
[08-Jan-2008 18:42:18] <grogan> heh
[08-Jan-2008 18:42:26] <twm1010> and all the servers your monitoring are gentoo as well?
[08-Jan-2008 18:42:33] <grogan> yup
[08-Jan-2008 18:42:46] <twm1010> does localhost have performance data?
[08-Jan-2008 18:42:46] <grogan> the cacti stuff works perfectly.
[08-Jan-2008 18:42:50] <grogan> nope.
[08-Jan-2008 18:43:00] <twm1010> i think you've got a daemon down maybe
[08-Jan-2008 18:43:07] <grogan> no. all daemons are up.
[08-Jan-2008 18:43:08] <grogan> all 15 of them
[08-Jan-2008 18:43:17] <grogan> ran into that issue too.
[08-Jan-2008 18:43:19] <twm1010> but zenoss can't even pull data from it's own host box, thats weird
[08-Jan-2008 18:43:21] <grogan> but got around that eventually.
[08-Jan-2008 18:43:32] <grogan> well, it might  be that something needs to get tweaked.
[08-Jan-2008 18:43:37] <grogan> some config somewhere, but not sure where
[08-Jan-2008 18:43:46] <twm1010> i never had to "install" rrdtool on my centos box when i was using that
[08-Jan-2008 18:43:52] <grogan> oh really? hmmm
[08-Jan-2008 18:43:54] <grogan> yeah. weird the
[08-Jan-2008 18:43:56] <grogan> then.
[08-Jan-2008 18:44:11] <twm1010> suggestion for you, install vmware, and run the virtual appliance :)
[08-Jan-2008 18:44:16] <grogan> heh. yeah go figure
[08-Jan-2008 18:51:54] <grogan> hmmm
[08-Jan-2008 18:52:06] <grogan> what do you have under the zenoss/management/mibs?
[08-Jan-2008 18:52:15] <grogan> do you have a lot of mibs listed?
[08-Jan-2008 18:53:26] <twm1010> I have over 500, i added them yesterday
[08-Jan-2008 18:53:32] <twm1010> by default it will be fairly empty
[08-Jan-2008 18:55:15] <grogan> yeah, I saw none initially.
[08-Jan-2008 19:01:34] <mGryphon> klinstifen: Installed it on another CENTOS5 box and it seems to be working.
[08-Jan-2008 19:10:21] <twm1010> Boy those Zenoss forums crrrrrawwwll....
[08-Jan-2008 19:28:19] <twm1010> I'm a little unsure where to start to get Zenoss to model the netware filesystem
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[08-Jan-2008 19:54:54] <MuseHome> anything special about Perf tab data? I'm getting SNMP data under my ethernet interfaces. but no snmp CPU data under Pref or WMI free mem.
[08-Jan-2008 19:59:33] <johns55> should have cpu and memory too
[08-Jan-2008 20:00:26] <MuseHome> localhost (linux) is working. but my other systems (windows) are not.
[08-Jan-2008 20:00:45] <MuseHome> I'm checking the network devices now.
[08-Jan-2008 20:01:16] <johns55> u need to download the snmp informat
[08-Jan-2008 20:01:25] <johns55> for windows
[08-Jan-2008 20:02:57] <MuseHome> this was all working last week...
[08-Jan-2008 20:03:39] <MuseHome> So my routers are showing data in the Perf tab...
[08-Jan-2008 20:03:56] <johns55> do u have snmp informat installed for the windows machine?
[08-Jan-2008 20:04:54] <MuseHome> Yes. I had 120 or so windows systems working last week. with WMI data graphing. this week all the graphs just cut off.
[08-Jan-2008 20:05:14] <MuseHome> I've use the CLI to get the wmi connections and get good data back.
[08-Jan-2008 20:05:42] <johns55&