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[01-Feb-2008 13:12:47] <qubit> hi, we have a problem with the graph generation: the event.log: INFO ZODB.Conflict database conflict error (oid 0x06, class Products.TemporaryFolder.TemporaryFolder.SimpleTemporaryContainer) at /zport/RenderServer/render
[01-Feb-2008 13:12:49] <qubit> (1 conflicts, of which 0 were unresolved, since startup at Fri Feb 1 13:15:27 2008)
[01-Feb-2008 13:12:56] <qubit> INFO RenderServer File: /tmp/renderserver/graph-577967526bf279681b71387743db2650129600.png not created yet.
[01-Feb-2008 13:13:35] <qubit> drwxr-x--- 2 zenoss users 4096 2008-02-01 14:02 /tmp/renderserver/
[01-Feb-2008 13:14:00] <qubit> all graphs show abnormal values
[01-Feb-2008 13:14:29] <qubit> we search for a solution @google/zenoss-forum ect. nothing
[01-Feb-2008 13:15:49] <qubit> the only action we did, refresh event schema, clear event cache, clear all heartbeats, because of another mistake
[01-Feb-2008 13:15:54] <qubit> plz help
[01-Feb-2008 13:17:00] <qubit> is there any methode to debug the "RenderServer-Action" and the ZODB-Conflict
[01-Feb-2008 13:26:49] <qubit> already set the loglevel in zope.conf @ALL, but no debug ouput for the RenderServer
[01-Feb-2008 14:05:54] <qubit> anybody out there who can help...plz?
[01-Feb-2008 14:22:08] <geek_cl> hi guys, can see this please: http://pastebin.com/d468df61a
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[01-Feb-2008 14:23:25] <geek_cl> uh?
[01-Feb-2008 14:38:51] <geek_cl> somebody here ?
[01-Feb-2008 14:41:28] <geek_cl> /usr/bin/python2.4 genpatchdeps.py >.patchdeps
[01-Feb-2008 16:39:25] <duncan> hey twm1010
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[01-Feb-2008 16:45:58] <duncan> I've got two hosts that keep generating critical events for smtp being down, although I deleted it from the OS tab. Is there a way to stop the ipservice plugin from monitoring smtp on these boxes?
[01-Feb-2008 16:46:27] <duncan> When I remodel the device it still shows up as being down.
[01-Feb-2008 17:35:20] <eurowerke> natural sort!
[01-Feb-2008 17:49:10] <flea> i have a general noob question regarding, how does zenoss look at VIP (load balanced) devices ?
[01-Feb-2008 17:49:30] <flea> are there mib's to map the VIP's ?
[01-Feb-2008 18:18:05] <twm1010> You mean like where you have two broadcom NICs teamed?
[01-Feb-2008 18:19:18] <twm1010> on my backup master server, the actual nics don't even show up, i just got an adapter called BASP Virtual Adapter
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[01-Feb-2008 18:22:30] <twm1010> oddly enough flea, it says the operational status of that adapter as down
[01-Feb-2008 19:26:22] <flea> twm1010: ah, well i have a load balancer at a co-lo with a vip for 4 http servers
[01-Feb-2008 19:26:41] <flea> so i figure it will find the lb device, but wondering as far as the devices within the vip
[01-Feb-2008 21:14:40] <eurowerke> cluther!
[01-Feb-2008 21:14:54] <eurowerke> heh
[01-Feb-2008 21:15:02] <eurowerke> exclamation!
[01-Feb-2008 21:15:41] <cluther> heh..
[01-Feb-2008 21:17:04] <twm1010> anyone good with the reporting functions?
[01-Feb-2008 21:18:56] <twm1010> cluther? :)
[01-Feb-2008 21:19:42] <eurowerke> cluther - is there a way to change the default sorting on the device list?
[01-Feb-2008 21:19:59] <eurowerke> i was looking at deviceList.pt and deviceListMacro.pt last night but couldn't get anywhere
[01-Feb-2008 21:19:59] <cluther> I've written a report or two..
[01-Feb-2008 21:20:13] <twm1010> Well, I'm just trying to understand how to go about something...
[01-Feb-2008 21:20:24] <twm1010> I can produce an availability report, thats easy with the canned one built in.
[01-Feb-2008 21:20:38] <cluther> eurowerke: Go to Event Manager and the Fields tab..
[01-Feb-2008 21:20:50] <cluther> eurowerke: wait.. that doesn't work.. nevermind.
[01-Feb-2008 21:21:04] <twm1010> but I'd like to get something more general, based on the systems or groups i've placed systems in...
[01-Feb-2008 21:21:08] <eurowerke> heheh
[01-Feb-2008 21:21:30] <twm1010> so lets say I have 6 devices under systems called "E-Mail Servers"
[01-Feb-2008 21:21:34] <cluther> twm1010: hmm.. that's actually one of the enterprise reports.
[01-Feb-2008 21:21:51] <twm1010> I'd like to get one general figure of their availability
[01-Feb-2008 21:22:00] <twm1010> Ah... is this something I can do myself though?
[01-Feb-2008 21:22:02] <cluther> twm1010: Group availability is definitely not a straightforward pursuit. You can have either average availability or aggregate availability for a group.
[01-Feb-2008 21:22:29] <twm1010> Well.. an average would meet my needs...
[01-Feb-2008 21:22:44] <cluther> twm1010: You definitely can.. especially average. That's the easier of the two.
[01-Feb-2008 21:23:35] <eurowerke> if you have any ideas about the sorting, I'd love to hear it - I gotta run right now though. thank you for your time!
[01-Feb-2008 21:23:47] <cluther> eurowerke: yeah.. a few seconds..
[01-Feb-2008 21:23:48] <eurowerke> i will read the chan log when I return :)
[01-Feb-2008 21:24:04] <eurowerke> thanks!
[01-Feb-2008 21:25:32] <cluther> eurowerke: Look in Products/ZenWidgets/skins/zenui/javascript/devicezengrid.js
[01-Feb-2008 21:25:43] <cluther> eurowerke: Search for orderby and you'll likely find the key.
[01-Feb-2008 21:32:32] <twm1010> can you uhhh... point me in the right direction here?
[01-Feb-2008 21:32:42] <twm1010> would this simply be a matter of writing the write query?
[01-Feb-2008 21:33:14] <cluther> twm1010: Yes.. just a matter of writing the right query. I wouldn't go so far as to call it simple though.
[01-Feb-2008 21:34:29] <cluther> twm1010: Take a look at one of the reports that uses a Python plugin to generate the data. This can often be the easier way to do things when you have complicated queries to perform.
[01-Feb-2008 21:34:42] <cluther> twm1010: These report plugins live in Products/ZenReports/plugins/
[01-Feb-2008 21:37:02] <twm1010> hrmm...
[01-Feb-2008 21:37:20] <twm1010> but something like availability you'd have to specify a time period
[01-Feb-2008 21:37:54] <chris_d> Can somebody help me figure out why I'm constantly getting data drops?
[01-Feb-2008 21:38:01] <chris_d> i.e. gaps in my perf graphs?
[01-Feb-2008 21:39:49] <twm1010> on all your devices?
[01-Feb-2008 21:39:52] <twm1010> or just some
[01-Feb-2008 21:40:21] <chris_d> All of them.
[01-Feb-2008 21:40:24] <chris_d> All at the same time.
[01-Feb-2008 21:40:32] <chris_d> All gaps are anywhere between 5 and 20 minutes.
[01-Feb-2008 21:40:48] <twm1010> Well, then its probably zenoss that is stalling every so often
[01-Feb-2008 21:41:05] <chris_d> I was able to figure that out. What I'm trying to do is fix it. :)
[01-Feb-2008 21:41:48] <twm1010> is the interval regular?
[01-Feb-2008 21:41:51] <twm1010> or random
[01-Feb-2008 21:41:53] <chris_d> No.
[01-Feb-2008 21:42:15] <twm1010> hrmmm... stanalone zenoss server?
[01-Feb-2008 21:42:18] <chris_d> Yes.
[01-Feb-2008 21:42:19] <twm1010> or is it a virtual machine?
[01-Feb-2008 21:42:27] <chris_d> Standalone server.
[01-Feb-2008 21:42:42] <twm1010> check your cron to see if the host is running other processes that hang it up?
[01-Feb-2008 21:44:27] <twm1010> cluther: thanks for your help
[01-Feb-2008 21:44:37] <twm1010> gotta go chris... good luck, i couldn't think of anything
[01-Feb-2008 21:44:48] <twm1010> maybe check your network link, it could be as simple as loosing connectivity/bad cable on the server
[01-Feb-2008 21:45:05] <cluther> chris_d: grep collected $ZENHOME/log/zenperfsnmp.log
[01-Feb-2008 21:45:16] <cluther> chris_d: Make sure your collection is happening consistently under 300 seconds.
[01-Feb-2008 21:47:14] <chris_d> 2008-01-31 01:33:27 INFO zen.zenperfsnmp: collected 156 of 165 devices in 120.16
[01-Feb-2008 21:48:01] <chris_d> It's consistently in the 120.16 range.
[01-Feb-2008 21:48:07] <chris_d> Give or take a second or two.
[01-Feb-2008 21:48:23] <cluther> Even during the times when you have gaps?
[01-Feb-2008 21:48:46] <chris_d> Let me correlate
[01-Feb-2008 21:49:46] <chris_d> Hmmmm....
[01-Feb-2008 21:49:51] <chris_d> 2008-01-31 01:33:27 INFO zen.zenperfsnmp: collected 156 of 165 devices in 120.16
[01-Feb-2008 21:49:56] <chris_d> That's the last matching line.
[01-Feb-2008 21:50:00] <chris_d> Note the date/time
[01-Feb-2008 21:51:13] <cluther> chris_d: So it's failing to finish polling the devices..
[01-Feb-2008 21:51:37] <chris_d> Yes--the 156 of 165 is consistent.
[01-Feb-2008 21:51:53] <chris_d> Now, I have data in my graphs after the date/time in that line.
[01-Feb-2008 21:52:30] <cluther> I think this means that some of these 9 devices that aren't responding are responding to SNMP, but not responding within the 300 second time limit.
[01-Feb-2008 21:52:48] <cluther> So zenperfsnmp can't mark them as snmp down, but it can't finish collecting them either.
[01-Feb-2008 21:52:59] <chris_d> Shouldn't the collected be running every 5 minutes?
[01-Feb-2008 21:53:03] <cluther> This is likely interfering with its collection cycle on devices that are behaving.
[01-Feb-2008 21:53:15] <cluther> If you haven't changed anything, yes.
[01-Feb-2008 21:53:24] <chris_d> Then why has it stopped?
[01-Feb-2008 21:53:24] <chris_d> :)
[01-Feb-2008 21:53:42] <chris_d> If I look at the daemon status, all are green.
[01-Feb-2008 21:57:55] <chris_d> It seems that one of my Sun boxes is taking too long to respond.
[01-Feb-2008 21:58:14] <chris_d> If I do an snmpwalk, it gets about half way through, then pauses for quite a while...
[01-Feb-2008 21:58:57] <chris_d> But it's still only 8.5 seconds total.
[01-Feb-2008 21:59:31] <chris_d> However, in the zenperfsnmp log, I get a User timeout on that machine.
[01-Feb-2008 22:16:49] <eurowerke> lol cluther that completely broke the device list haha
[01-Feb-2008 22:23:04] <eurowerke> guess this will take more research
[01-Feb-2008 23:47:38] <johns55> anyone use zenoss to monitor mysql replication
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[02-Feb-2008 10:28:43] <janfrode> I'm trying to use the snmpLocation to define the zenoss "Location" trough something like:
[02-Feb-2008 10:28:45] <janfrode> from xmlrpclib import ServerProxy
[02-Feb-2008 10:28:45] <janfrode> serv = ServerProxy('http://admin:zenoss@localhost:8080/zport/dmd/Devices/Server/Linux/devices/asav2')
[02-Feb-2008 10:28:45] <janfrode> serv.setLocation('/Room/Rack/U8-U11')
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[02-Feb-2008 10:29:29] <janfrode> Does anybody know how I can get the snmpLocation here ?
[02-Feb-2008 10:30:50] <janfrode> i.e.. I want to use whatever is set in snmpLocation to be used in serv.setLocation()
[02-Feb-2008 10:37:52] <janfrode> /search #zenoss
[02-Feb-2008 11:27:34] <janfrode> ah.. It's stored as a zope property.. So this does the trick:
[02-Feb-2008 11:27:34] <janfrode> snmpLocation=serv.getProperty('snmpLocation')
[02-Feb-2008 11:27:34] <janfrode> serv.setLocation(snmpLocation)
[02-Feb-2008 14:48:13] <janfrode> anybody know how to update the "rackSlot" property trough python/xmlrpclib ?
[02-Feb-2008 18:08:50] <janfrode> todays playing with zenoss trough python/xmlrpclib --> http://tanso.net/zenoss/python-xmlrpclib/
[02-Feb-2008 22:05:49] <cluther> janfrode: Very cool stuff (the xml-rpc)
[02-Feb-2008 22:08:06] <monrad> janfrode: yeah its cool
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[04-Feb-2008 02:44:00] <KageSenshi> I'm wondering, can zenoss come as a zope Product? or it has modifications which caused it couldnt?
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[04-Feb-2008 06:53:08] <Snake-eyes> Any one know where zenoss gets the time/date it uses to stamp outgoing emails with from ?
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[04-Feb-2008 11:46:58] <_sam_> newbie here...
[04-Feb-2008 11:47:39] <_sam_> setup zenoss at the office.. would like to monitor windows 2k3 server and linuxbox, which is also our internet gateway..
[04-Feb-2008 11:47:58] <_sam_> need to monitor internet traffic utilization.. am i in the right place?
[04-Feb-2008 12:13:05] <twm1010> _sam_ you're in the right place
[04-Feb-2008 12:15:31] <twm1010> What have you done so far?
[04-Feb-2008 12:25:57] <pablo26> hi all
[04-Feb-2008 12:28:55] <pablo26> i want to do this, i have zenoss setted up in my intranet, now to acces it from outise my intranet i need to go trought an apache proxy, the problem is that when i do that the log in page works fine, but all the links on the page refers to the internal ip
[04-Feb-2008 12:58:53] <twm1010> i'm sure zenoss has had to figure that out for some enterprise customers
[04-Feb-2008 12:58:56] <twm1010> post it to the forum
[04-Feb-2008 13:13:16] <twm1010> why do almost none of the report classes let you add custom reports?
[04-Feb-2008 13:13:19] <twm1010> even organizers you create?
[04-Feb-2008 13:50:43] <twm1010> morning chet
[04-Feb-2008 13:56:07] <cluther> mornin
[04-Feb-2008 13:59:35] <twm1010> How goes it
[04-Feb-2008 14:33:31] <twm1010> cluther: can you update a core install to enterprise?
[04-Feb-2008 14:35:35] <cluther> twm1010: Yeah.
[04-Feb-2008 14:43:21] <twm1010> Ok, cool. I'd like to demo enterprise soon, I'd like to just make a copy of my current software appliance, and then upgrade it, so I can see the reporting using existing data
[04-Feb-2008 14:48:11] <twm1010> now why would you want to monitor the loopback interface?
[04-Feb-2008 15:15:36] <jb_> hrm, zen can't model two devices that its been able to model perfectly forever
[04-Feb-2008 15:15:45] <jb_> it always has SNMP timeouts
[04-Feb-2008 15:15:48] <jb_> but I can walk it fine
[04-Feb-2008 15:18:31] <linuxdave> you can walk it from inside zen or from command line?
[04-Feb-2008 15:19:03] <jb_> zen
[04-Feb-2008 15:19:08] <jb_> cli
[04-Feb-2008 15:19:24] <jb_> sorry, from the zenoss' box cli
[04-Feb-2008 15:19:32] <linuxdave> hmmm
[04-Feb-2008 15:19:34] <linuxdave> that is odd
[04-Feb-2008 15:19:38] <jb_> and its just on two devices
[04-Feb-2008 15:19:39] <jb_> yeah
[04-Feb-2008 15:20:07] <linuxdave> no problems with communication to those devices?
[04-Feb-2008 15:20:09] <jb_> actually, now snmpd is timing out
[04-Feb-2008 15:20:17] <jb_> ive never seen this..
[04-Feb-2008 15:20:21] <jb_> the snmpwalk times out after a while
[04-Feb-2008 15:20:34] <jb_> right around HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrStorageIndex.1
[04-Feb-2008 15:20:54] <jb_> no snmp errors in the logs
[04-Feb-2008 15:21:28] <linuxdave> are they using net-snmp?
[04-Feb-2008 15:21:31] <jb_> yeah
[04-Feb-2008 15:21:38] <linuxdave> maybe try restarting that?
[04-Feb-2008 15:21:41] <jb_> i have..
[04-Feb-2008 15:22:04] <linuxdave> try walking from a shell...instead of from inside zen
[04-Feb-2008 15:22:13] <jb_> yeah thats what I'm doing
[04-Feb-2008 15:22:27] <linuxdave> losing any packets?
[04-Feb-2008 15:22:42] <linuxdave> if you ping, or anything?
[04-Feb-2008 15:23:03] <jb_> nope, network comm is fine
[04-Feb-2008 15:23:07] <jb_> just seems to be snmp
[04-Feb-2008 15:23:24] <linuxdave> odd
[04-Feb-2008 15:23:32] <linuxdave> and only two devices?
[04-Feb-2008 15:23:39] <jb_> yep
[04-Feb-2008 15:23:47] <jb_> its like the snmpd is dying
[04-Feb-2008 15:23:55] <jb_> after it dies, it wont respond to anything
[04-Feb-2008 15:23:58] <jb_> until I restart
[04-Feb-2008 15:24:24] <linuxdave> sorry... I am not an SNMP guru like some are... I agree its odd
[04-Feb-2008 15:24:29] <jb_> np
[04-Feb-2008 15:25:03] <jb_> it always dies at hrStorageIndex
[04-Feb-2008 15:25:14] <linuxdave> I am just trying zenoss
[04-Feb-2008 15:25:21] <jb_> I think I just recently updated these two boxes too
[04-Feb-2008 15:25:24] <jb_> but not net-snmp
[04-Feb-2008 15:25:29] <linuxdave> hmmmm
[04-Feb-2008 15:25:35] <jb_> eb 4 03:15:28 fc-netops snmpd[24166]: ipSystemStatsTable node ipSystemStatsOutFragOKs not implemented: skipping
[04-Feb-2008 15:25:36] <jb_> Feb 4 03:15:28 fc-netops snmpd[24166]: ipSystemStatsTable node ipSystemStatsOutFragOKs not implemented: skipping
[04-Feb-2008 15:25:42] <linuxdave> maybe some library got updated?
[04-Feb-2008 15:26:06] <jb_> yep, now I see the issue
[04-Feb-2008 15:26:34] <linuxdave> afk... boss just got in
[04-Feb-2008 15:27:08] <twm1010> jb, odd that two devices are doing it, did they both start at the same time?
[04-Feb-2008 15:27:47] <twm1010> perhaps one of the zenoss processes is locked up trying to hit those? try bringin zenoss down and back up
[04-Feb-2008 15:29:05] <jb_> theres all kinds of stuff on google about it
[04-Feb-2008 15:29:05] <jb_> its a centos issue it looksl ike
[04-Feb-2008 15:29:17] <jb_> and these two boxes were updated last week
[04-Feb-2008 15:30:16] <twm1010> ah
[04-Feb-2008 15:30:32] <twm1010> any fixes yet?
[04-Feb-2008 15:30:40] <twm1010> Centos only? or RHEL too?
[04-Feb-2008 15:30:41] <jb_> no
[04-Feb-2008 15:30:44] <jb_> not sure yet
[04-Feb-2008 15:30:56] <twm1010> i'm monitoring 5 RHEL boxes right now
[04-Feb-2008 15:32:38] <jb_> when were they last updated?
[04-Feb-2008 15:38:29] <jb_> it seems to be a Xen/x64 issue
[04-Feb-2008 15:38:34] <jb_> but this box is not running a xen kernel
[04-Feb-2008 15:38:35] <jb_> and its x86
[04-Feb-2008 15:40:42] <jb_> gonna try to duplicate it..
[04-Feb-2008 15:45:36] <linuxdave> back
[04-Feb-2008 15:46:15] <linuxdave> I have 3 RHEL 5 vm's and 5 Centos 5 VM's in zen and all are working fine...and they are up to date
[04-Feb-2008 15:46:23] <linuxdave> all x86
[04-Feb-2008 15:46:44] <jb_> which kernel on those centos boxes?
[04-Feb-2008 15:47:19] <linuxdave> 1 sec I will look
[04-Feb-2008 15:47:59] <linuxdave> 2.6.18-53.1.6.el5
[04-Feb-2008 15:48:25] <jb_> ok these two boxes have a centosplus kernel
[04-Feb-2008 15:49:59] <linuxdave> hmmm ok
[04-Feb-2008 15:50:27] <linuxdave> does anyone know if there are stats on how much the trap collector can handle, and if you can somehow load balance them?
[04-Feb-2008 15:57:11] <twm1010> dave, don't understand
[04-Feb-2008 15:57:17] <twm1010> what exactly are you loadbalancing?
[04-Feb-2008 15:57:42] <twm1010> you have zenoss on a cluster or something?
[04-Feb-2008 15:59:01] <jb_> wpw
[04-Feb-2008 15:59:05] <jb_> it was the centos kernel
[04-Feb-2008 15:59:08] <jb_> the centosplus kernel
[04-Feb-2008 16:00:33] <twm1010> you changed kernels and now you're good again?
[04-Feb-2008 16:01:35] <linuxdave> no no, I am just thinking ahead. At one of my past jobs, they used netcool for events... I was curious if they could use zenoss in the same fashion
[04-Feb-2008 16:02:11] <linuxdave> they would get millions of alerts ... and netcool had tons of filters...etc
[04-Feb-2008 16:03:31] <twm1010> hrmmm...
[04-Feb-2008 16:03:48] <twm1010> Well, I'd imagine it could handle quite a bit.
[04-Feb-2008 16:04:06] <jb_> I reaslly wish I could figure out how to get this "stuck" event out of the issues portlet
[04-Feb-2008 16:05:27] <linuxdave> cool... i will recommend it to them
[04-Feb-2008 16:06:37] <linuxdave> if they need stats I will email Erik Dahl... we are old co-workers
[04-Feb-2008 16:08:42] <jb_> Hm.. I just noticed that none of my Software is getting populated
[04-Feb-2008 16:23:17] <linuxdave> is there a way to add custom process monitors?
[04-Feb-2008 16:23:35] <twm1010> dave: most definitely :), don't ask me how
[04-Feb-2008 16:23:42] <linuxdave> lol
[04-Feb-2008 16:23:58] <linuxdave> well, I guess a better question is how do i monitor things I have installed?
[04-Feb-2008 16:24:00] <twm1010> I would imagine as far as the traps go, you can get thousands
[04-Feb-2008 16:24:15] <linuxdave> is the what modelling is supposed to do?
[04-Feb-2008 16:24:19] <linuxdave> *that
[04-Feb-2008 16:24:28] <twm1010> modeling is meant to setup the device and its properties
[04-Feb-2008 16:24:53] <twm1010> during modeling, it probably does an SNMP walk of the entire device
[04-Feb-2008 16:24:53] <linuxdave> ok, I have devices... but I cant see what running on them
[04-Feb-2008 16:25:01] <jb_> sure you can monitor any process
[04-Feb-2008 16:25:52] <linuxdave> I have some software that has several processes... how do i add them so i can see if they are up or down and alert on that?
[04-Feb-2008 16:26:14] <linuxdave> and can i group them so i can just get one alert if the whole thing is down?
[04-Feb-2008 16:26:36] <twm1010> dave: thats actually something I haven't gone over yet. The only thing I've done is monitor "IP services" which basically just checks to see if a port is listening
[04-Feb-2008 16:27:10] <twm1010> dependencies like that, is something i don't think they've done just yet, i could be wrong
[04-Feb-2008 16:27:11] <linuxdave> yeah.... thats all working fine
[04-Feb-2008 16:27:11] <linuxdave> lol
[04-Feb-2008 16:27:22] <twm1010> well, hold on a sec, let me see what i can find
[04-Feb-2008 16:27:27] <linuxdave> thanks
[04-Feb-2008 16:28:11] <twm1010> i know for windows
[04-Feb-2008 16:28:18] <twm1010> it can use WMI to see if a service is started or not
[04-Feb-2008 16:28:49] <twm1010> i would think monitoring a process on *nix requires the SSH information to be configured for the device
[04-Feb-2008 16:29:21] <linuxdave> hmmm ok
[04-Feb-2008 16:29:25] <linuxdave> lemme check that
[04-Feb-2008 16:29:31] <linuxdave> I dont do windows :)
[04-Feb-2008 16:30:58] <twm1010> cluther: are the zenoss-plugins RPM required for remote process monitoring?
[04-Feb-2008 16:31:18] <jb_> no
[04-Feb-2008 16:32:01] <jb_> just add them under /Processes
[04-Feb-2008 16:32:11] <twm1010> and it gets the info over SNMP?
[04-Feb-2008 16:32:39] <jb_> yes
[04-Feb-2008 16:33:01] <linuxdave> I know you can get process info over snmp... so i just add them under processes?
[04-Feb-2008 16:33:12] <jb_> once you add a pattern under /Processes, if the device that you are modeling sees a process that matches that pattern, it will display it
[04-Feb-2008 16:33:18] <jb_> yes linuxdave..
[04-Feb-2008 16:33:23] <linuxdave> k
[04-Feb-2008 16:33:27] <linuxdave> adding one now...
[04-Feb-2008 16:33:57] <jb_> to monitor apache you could use " ^.*\/*httpd"
[04-Feb-2008 16:35:00] <twm1010> wow, thats disgustingly easy
[04-Feb-2008 16:35:38] <twm1010> and here i was avoiding that because i thought it was difficult
[04-Feb-2008 16:35:39] <twm1010> :)
[04-Feb-2008 16:35:45] <linuxdave> lol
[04-Feb-2008 16:36:43] <twm1010> what does regex mean?
[04-Feb-2008 16:36:49] <twm1010> regular expression?
[04-Feb-2008 16:37:42] <linuxdave> yes
[04-Feb-2008 16:38:16] <linuxdave> ok i have one for httpd... but how do I tell zen that this process should be monitored on this device?
[04-Feb-2008 16:50:37] <twm1010> remodel the device
[04-Feb-2008 16:50:47] <twm1010> it will pick up the process is running, and start monitoring it
[04-Feb-2008 16:51:11] <linuxdave> k
[04-Feb-2008 16:51:55] <twm1010> jb: does this work for windows too?
[04-Feb-2008 16:52:33] <linuxdave> oh wow... ok it now shows up under OS processes...
[04-Feb-2008 16:52:37] <linuxdave> not to shabby
[04-Feb-2008 16:52:42] <linuxdave> 8too
[04-Feb-2008 16:52:44] <linuxdave> *too
[04-Feb-2008 16:52:47] <linuxdave> ack cant type
[04-Feb-2008 16:54:28] <linuxdave> is there a way to remodel all my devices at once?
[04-Feb-2008 16:55:22] <twm1010> if you don't care about losing performance data, delete them all, and re-discover your network :)
[04-Feb-2008 16:57:24] <linuxdave> well I had to manually put them in... discovery didnt work very well for some reason... so i am not doing that lol
[04-Feb-2008 17:05:58] <linuxdave> wow...this is really easy. thanks
[04-Feb-2008 17:47:18] <twm1010> i'm a little confused as to what the zenoss-plugins package is for
[04-Feb-2008 17:47:28] <twm1010> to monitor a single host? or to setup a remote performance data collector?
[04-Feb-2008 17:54:51] <twm1010> why would you use SSH to monitor rather than SNMP? security perhaps?
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[04-Feb-2008 18:09:39] <jb_> yes
[04-Feb-2008 18:09:48] <jb_> sometimes SNMP is not available..
[04-Feb-2008 18:10:02] <jb_> it simply uses SSH to gather stats rather then SNMP
[04-Feb-2008 18:19:11] <twm1010> hrmm...
[04-Feb-2008 18:19:34] <twm1010> the performance templates are setup for SNMP though
[04-Feb-2008 18:19:39] <twm1010> how does it handle the switchover?
[04-Feb-2008 18:19:44] <twm1010> or must you build new ones
[04-Feb-2008 19:38:00] <twm1010> crickets chirping in here today
[04-Feb-2008 19:40:27] <cluther_> twm1010: If you look in the /Server/Cmd device class you'll see the templates that are setup to use zenoss-plugins.
[04-Feb-2008 19:40:36] <cluther_> chirp..
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[04-Feb-2008 19:48:51] <twm1010> thanks chet. makes sense... kinda wondered what that device class was for
[04-Feb-2008 19:50:06] <twm1010> can modeling be done this way as well?
[04-Feb-2008 20:17:07] <twm1010> anyone here monitoring solaris?
[04-Feb-2008 21:32:11] <linuxdave> what does it mean when you send email and you get an error in zen that says "-2, Name or service not known" ?
[04-Feb-2008 21:32:21] <linuxdave> trying to send test email
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[04-Feb-2008 23:44:37] <chris_d> Can somebody help me figure out why I don't have a process list on a device's OS page?
[04-Feb-2008 23:45:13] <chris_d> I have HRSWRunMap enabled as a collector plugin
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[05-Feb-2008 00:38:22] <Snake-eyes> Does any one have any ideas why zenoss would time stamp out going emails GMT+25 ?
[05-Feb-2008 00:38:44] <Snake-eyes> I have checked system clock, etc and they are set correctly
[05-Feb-2008 00:42:02] <johns55> http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4267&highlight=clock
[05-Feb-2008 00:42:11] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - Time displays fixed for Zenoss 2.1.1 vmware image (at community.zenoss.com)
[05-Feb-2008 03:54:24] <Snake-eyes> johns55, this not related to the javascript clock in the corner. The clock in the corner is correct for me, and ive tried adding TZ to few zenoss files with no success.
[05-Feb-2008 03:54:45] <Snake-eyes> http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4877
[05-Feb-2008 03:55:00] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - Zenoss email timestamps (at community.zenoss.com)
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[05-Feb-2008 06:15:15] <_lotek> hi, I am trying to install zenoss2.1.2 on Ubuntu feisty from tarball, it compiles, creates dabatases etc, but crashes with: Starting Zope Server \ install-functions.sh: line 155: /usr/local/zenoss/bin/zopectl: No such file or directory \ unable to start Zope.. any ideas?
[05-Feb-2008 06:16:45] <_lotek> it never created zopectl, I do have zeoctl, and zeoctl status gives me: program running; pid=4024
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[05-Feb-2008 15:26:28] <linuxdave> hi
[05-Feb-2008 15:27:52] <linuxdave> anyone know where or if the email test button logs somewhere if it fails?
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[05-Feb-2008 20:24:54] <flea> hi folks
[05-Feb-2008 20:25:37] <flea> suppose i have 2 networks a) 10.0.0.0 local and b) x.y.z at a co-lo data center
[05-Feb-2008 20:26:33] <flea> can i have zenoss from 10.0 monitor x.y.z via one ip, where x.y.z has a public zenoss
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[06-Feb-2008 05:12:41] <adytum-bot> http://www.advogato.org/person/oubiwann/diary.html?start=166
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[06-Feb-2008 13:28:09] <Xander77> Just noticed that the legend names for 'Inbound' and 'Outbound' in the Troughput graph in the ethernetCsmacd template are the wrong way round.
[06-Feb-2008 13:28:45] <Xander77> thats caused a good hour or so of complete confusion for me
[06-Feb-2008 13:52:40] <Xander77> Also, the units should be 'bytes/sec', not 'bits/sec' unless I'm mistaken
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[06-Feb-2008 19:07:45] <duncan> hey guys... my /usr partition ran out of space a bit ago and I've fixed the problem, but zenoss was running for a bit with no space (eep!) anyway, when I add or model a device now it shows an error in the log related to zen.applyDataMap while trying to write the data to the database... this is the error "ConflictError: database conflict error"
[06-Feb-2008 19:07:53] <duncan> any idea where I might start? I have tried deleting the node and adding it back.. it happens whenever I try and add a node now and zenoss is unable to add any services to the node
[06-Feb-2008 19:09:36] <duncan> ahh it worked this time, just had to try multiple times... I might have spurred that on by modelling several devices at once on seperate tabs
[06-Feb-2008 19:09:43] <duncan> which failed miserably
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[06-Feb-2008 19:22:44] <Bulwinkle> does anyone know how ZenOSS handles cisco device hostname changes?
[06-Feb-2008 19:36:43] <cpufreak> badly.
[06-Feb-2008 19:36:51] <cpufreak> better to remove + readd resource.
[06-Feb-2008 19:51:55] <Bulwinkle> eh... looks like it doesn't do anything if you remodel it with the name and then the rename doesn't rename any of the rrd files... oh well
[06-Feb-2008 19:58:08] <cpufreak> so remove, it, and then re-add it,
[06-Feb-2008 19:58:12] <cpufreak> as I said.
[06-Feb-2008 20:04:18] <telexicon> jdwannam, zenoss doesnt handle that stuff very well, every time something like that has happened to me the database has gotten ruined pretty much
[06-Feb-2008 20:04:34] <telexicon> jdwannam, same thing if the machine loses power with zenoss on it, nothing quite works right after that
[06-Feb-2008 20:09:09] <jdwannam> ugh that's comforting
[06-Feb-2008 20:09:55] <jdwannam> at least it's in a datacenter with redundant ups backup and dual psu's on seperate circuits
[06-Feb-2008 20:11:43] <Bulwinkle> rename = delete and readd imho
[06-Feb-2008 20:20:46] <telexicon> jdwannam, and for other reasons
[06-Feb-2008 20:21:23] <telexicon> jdwannam, for me it seems zenoss randomly stops working or starts spewing out hundreds of errors.. ive never been able to figure out why, or have been able to recover from it once it happens
[06-Feb-2008 20:22:24] <jdwannam> well I have successfully used zenbackup and zenrestore to import performance and node data.. maybe I should script that to run nightly and keep a weeks worth
[06-Feb-2008 20:49:13] <flea> i notice zenoss does not pick up my virtual interfaces, does anyone know if zenoss is capable of reading into them?
[06-Feb-2008 20:58:38] <jdwannam> we have an in house mediawiki that has all of our systems and services listed with links to items.. I've put a inline frame in the zLinks area that contains the wikipage for each node, but I would like to add extra fields that can be configured with zProperties information, is that possible through the web interface?
[06-Feb-2008 20:58:57] <couchommander> hey all
[06-Feb-2008 20:59:07] <jdwannam> heya couchommander
[06-Feb-2008 20:59:49] <couchommander> having a minor issue with a new setup of zenoss 2.1.2
[06-Feb-2008 21:00:07] <couchommander> I'm using the vmware appliance, which is wonderful
[06-Feb-2008 21:00:50] <couchommander> anywho, I have windows clients that I've enabled SNMP service on, set a read only community string, and have installed SNMP informant on
[06-Feb-2008 21:01:03] <couchommander> I've manually added, and I get a lot of data
[06-Feb-2008 21:01:43] * jdwannam nods
[06-Feb-2008 21:01:55] <couchommander> however, "USed Bytes" and "Free Bytes" in file systems under the OS tab is "unkown"
[06-Feb-2008 21:02:10] <couchommander> and the CPU is not returning any data
[06-Feb-2008 21:02:18] <couchommander> its a p4 830 I believe
[06-Feb-2008 21:02:55] <couchommander> is this a known limitation or have I configured something wrong, completely missed it..?
[06-Feb-2008 21:03:11] <jdwannam> I suppose you'll need to check the SNMP OIDs that are needed to pull down the Used Bytes and Free Bytes and be sure they are pulling from the right place for SNMP Informant
[06-Feb-2008 21:03:56] <couchommander> I'm pretty new to the wonderful world of SNMP so you're going to have give me the dumb kid version
[06-Feb-2008 21:04:06] <couchommander> sorry
[06-Feb-2008 21:04:28] <jdwannam> under the performance template for the windows boxes, look at the datasources and find the OID listed for the Used Bytes and Free Bytes, try to snmpwalk that OID and see if it returns the expected value, and if not you may need to preform some RPN on the result to get it to equal what the graph definition expects to see
[06-Feb-2008 21:05:02] <jdwannam> well every piece of data that gets returned through snmp has an address which is an OID
[06-Feb-2008 21:05:20] <jdwannam> oid numbers are big long strings of numbers that pretty much always start with 1.3.6.4.1.whateverelse
[06-Feb-2008 21:06:05] <jdwannam> they are unique to certain manufacturers, so manufacturers release MIBs which map out what the different addresses that are available to be polled
[06-Feb-2008 21:06:15] <couchommander> aah I see, so SNMP informant is sending data labelled with the OID and zenoss has no idea what to do with it?
[06-Feb-2008 21:06:53] <jdwannam> if they aren't being properly graphed, than several things could be causing that... is it collecting other data through snmp like location and contact and other basic stuff?
[06-Feb-2008 21:07:35] <jdwannam> you can test by pulling down the carrot for the device and choosing the snmpwalk command, it will preform a simple snmpwalk using the community string you configured in zProperties
[06-Feb-2008 21:08:02] <couchommander> ya I actually have a complete installed software list, memory, routes, interface info.. it picks up total space for the file system as well
[06-Feb-2008 21:08:04] <jdwannam> if it is, then it's a matter of the datasource not being setup correctly
[06-Feb-2008 21:08:32] <jdwannam> TBH, I don't think the processor information works on my windows boxes either
[06-Feb-2008 21:08:48] <jdwannam> but since it's static it doesn't matter too much to me, I'm more concerned about processor utilization
[06-Feb-2008 21:09:54] <jdwannam> the file system information should be pulling down without any issues... make sure on SNMP informant that it's allowing read access to the entire tree.. if you see a mask setting, set it to .1
[06-Feb-2008 21:11:44] <couchommander> you lost me there, where would I check this setting for SNMP informant?
[06-Feb-2008 21:15:26] <jdwannam> yea the snmp informant configuration may have a mask preventing some information from being read.. I know net-snmp for linux is that way
[06-Feb-2008 21:15:50] <jdwannam> I've just been using the standard snmp service thats part of windows 2003 on our servers here so I haven't used snmp informant
[06-Feb-2008 21:15:56] <jdwannam> unless they are one in the same
[06-Feb-2008 21:16:05] <jdwannam> if they are, then you shouldn't have to change anything on the windows side
[06-Feb-2008 21:16:37] <couchommander> from what I understand SNMP informant provides additional functionality to the standard ms snmp service
[06-Feb-2008 21:16:51] <couchommander> it was in the zenoss documentation to install it and then everything should work...
[06-Feb-2008 21:17:17] <couchommander> I can't actually find any configuration for the agent
[06-Feb-2008 21:17:26] <couchommander> it seems to ride on top of the windows SNMP service
[06-Feb-2008 21:23:56] <couchommander> ya its strange its even returning the serial number for the drive
[06-Feb-2008 21:24:00] <couchommander> and total bytes
[06-Feb-2008 21:24:15] <couchommander> just used bytes and free bytes unknown
[06-Feb-2008 21:33:52] <couchommander> I don't know if this is related but if I run an snmpwalk manually on the unit I get data returned for "HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrStorageSize"
[06-Feb-2008 21:34:17] <couchommander> .1 has a 0, but .2-.4 have values, and for HRSotrageUsed, .1 has a 0, but once again .2 to .4 have values
[06-Feb-2008 21:34:45] <couchommander> .1 referrs to A:\ I think
[06-Feb-2008 21:35:04] <couchommander> as I can see for hrStorageDescr.1 it lists A:\
[06-Feb-2008 21:35:23] <couchommander> hrStorageDescr.2 has "C:\ Lable: Serial Number xxxxxxx
[06-Feb-2008 21:36:13] <jdwannam> actually, I have a few windows servers and they aren't pulling the processor time correctly either
[06-Feb-2008 21:36:28] <jdwannam> they did however pull the correct hard drive / label / size / free space
[06-Feb-2008 21:36:42] <couchommander> it looks to me like snmp walk is returning the values
[06-Feb-2008 21:37:28] <couchommander> hrstoragedescr.2 has my c:\, hrstoragesize.2 has a value, and hrstorageused.2 has a value
[06-Feb-2008 21:39:35] <couchommander> so, I suppose the question is, how do I get zenoss to read that data?
[06-Feb-2008 21:42:15] <jdwannam> for me, snmpwalk to this OID returns drive c: name/label - .1.3.6.1.2.1.25.2.3.1.3.2
[06-Feb-2008 21:42:39] <jdwannam> thats the numeric address for this mib = HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrStorageDescr.2
[06-Feb-2008 21:43:44] <jdwannam> there is also: HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrStorageSize.1 and HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrStorageUsed.1
[06-Feb-2008 21:44:20] <couchommander> ya - get my drive letter and serial number
[06-Feb-2008 21:44:22] <couchommander> for that OID
[06-Feb-2008 21:45:07] <jdwannam> so your snmp daemon running on the windows box is functioning ok... and the basic information was pulled down successfully to zenoss, try remodeling the device just for kicks
[06-Feb-2008 21:45:17] <couchommander> k
[06-Feb-2008 21:46:00] <couchommander> I actually have the drive letter and serial in zenoss already, and total bytes
[06-Feb-2008 21:46:06] <couchommander> just not used
[06-Feb-2008 21:46:42] <couchommander> but when I snmpwalk .1.3.6.1.2.1.25.2.3.1.6.2 I get a value back
[06-Feb-2008 21:47:02] <couchommander> that OID corresponds to HOST-RESOURCE-MIND::hrStorageUsed.2
[06-Feb-2008 21:47:07] <couchommander> *MIB
[06-Feb-2008 21:48:01] <jdwannam> that sounds like it should be working, if you don't get any errors in the zenmodeller log, then i'm not sure.. anyone?
[06-Feb-2008 21:50:19] <couchommander> by the zenmodeler log I assume you mean the one that comes up when you model the device through the web interface?
[06-Feb-2008 21:50:21] <couchommander> if so, here it is
[06-Feb-2008 21:50:25] <couchommander> 2008-02-06 21:49:05 INFO zen.Device Executing command: /home/zenoss/bin/zenmodeler run --now -F -d edm1batman.na.global.qwinc.com --weblog
[06-Feb-2008 21:50:25] <couchommander> 2008-02-06 21:49:12 INFO zen.ZenModeler starting collector loop
[06-Feb-2008 21:50:25] <couchommander> 2008-02-06 21:49:12 INFO zen.ZenModeler collecting for device edm1batman.na.global.qwinc.com
[06-Feb-2008 21:50:25] <couchommander> 2008-02-06 21:49:12 INFO zen.ZenModeler no cmd plugins found for edm1batman.na.global.qwinc.com
[06-Feb-2008 21:50:25] <couchommander> 2008-02-06 21:49:13 INFO zen.ZenModeler snmp collection device edm1batman.na.global.qwinc.com
[06-Feb-2008 21:50:48] <couchommander> as I disconnect myself
[06-Feb-2008 21:51:28] <jdwannam> http://zenoss:8080/zport/dmd/Devices/Server/rrdTemplates/FileSystem
[06-Feb-2008 21:52:38] <jdwannam> there is a filesystem template that controls how the data is read, it should be able to draw a graph of the utilization history if it's working... if it's not, then it may not be pulling from that datasource correctly.. you can see if the rrd file is being generated as it's stored in $ZENHOME/perf/Devices/<devicename/
[06-Feb-2008 21:53:04] <couchommander> you know, i think that's it - I have a custom "Workstation" class that doesn't have that filesystem template in it
[06-Feb-2008 21:53:22] <jdwannam> if the file exists then it's at least pulling the data from that OID
[06-Feb-2008 21:56:03] <jdwannam> looking at my own installation, the files are actually in a subdirectory called os
[06-Feb-2008 21:56:21] <jdwannam> like this : /os/filesystems/C__ Label_ Serial Number 54282b4d/usedBlocks_usedBlocks.rrd
[06-Feb-2008 21:57:23] <jdwannam> you can use rrdtool info <rrdfile> to view the data in that rrd file if it exists
[06-Feb-2008 21:58:16] <couchommander> $ZENHOME you mean /home/zenoss, ya?
[06-Feb-2008 21:59:54] <jdwannam> when you're logged into the zenoss user that variable should be defined... on my system it's /usr/local/zenoss, but I've installed from source
[06-Feb-2008 22:00:12] <jdwannam> the vmware appliance may very well be /home/zenoss
[06-Feb-2008 22:00:22] <jdwannam> brb afk
[06-Feb-2008 22:00:55] <couchommander> k
[06-Feb-2008 22:14:28] <jdwannam> couchommander: could you find that data being collected to zenoss?
[06-Feb-2008 22:15:08] <couchommander> in the /device folder there is only localhost
[06-Feb-2008 22:16:22] <couchommander> is there a way to manually tell zenoss to use that OID to get that value?
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[06-Feb-2008 22:48:13] <couchommander> anyone?
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[07-Feb-2008 01:26:44] <percha> hello, I have a quick question.
[07-Feb-2008 01:26:51] <percha> I don't know where in the docs to look
[07-Feb-2008 01:27:04] <percha> I've got zenoss monitering an APC UPS
[07-Feb-2008 01:27:16] <percha> and it has performance graphs for load/runtime
[07-Feb-2008 01:27:23] <percha> how do I add graphs for temperature?
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[07-Feb-2008 15:27:40] <couchommander> Good Morning
[07-Feb-2008 15:27:46] <couchommander> anyone up to answering some questions?
[07-Feb-2008 15:28:53] <stefano__> hi guys
[07-Feb-2008 15:29:04] <twm1010> coucho: i can try
[07-Feb-2008 15:29:14] <stefano__> when i test email error report i've this error
[07-Feb-2008 15:29:17] <stefano__> Test failed: socket.gaierror - (-2, 'Name or service not known')
[07-Feb-2008 15:29:33] <stefano__> what is the problem?
[07-Feb-2008 15:30:36] <twm1010> socket error indicates it can't negotiate a connection with your e-mail server
[07-Feb-2008 15:31:55] <twm1010> are you trying to connect to the e-mail server via a hostname or via IP?
[07-Feb-2008 15:32:25] <stefano__> twm1010: i've setting in management setting my smtp host..it'right?
[07-Feb-2008 15:33:20] <stefano__> twm1010: in my office the provider use this smtp host:smtp.ng.it
[07-Feb-2008 15:33:32] <twm1010> that is external to your network?
[07-Feb-2008 15:33:45] <stefano__> yes is external!
[07-Feb-2008 15:34:11] <twm1010> from your zenoss server console, try and do a ping smtp.ng.it
[07-Feb-2008 15:35:06] <stefano__> [root@zenoss ~]# ping smtp.ng.it
[07-Feb-2008 15:35:06] <stefano__> ping: unknown host smtp.ng.it
[07-Feb-2008 15:35:06] <stefano__> You have new mail in /var/spool/mail/root
[07-Feb-2008 15:35:27] <twm1010> well, zenoss can't find that e-mail server
[07-Feb-2008 15:35:36] <stefano__> why??
[07-Feb-2008 15:35:53] <twm1010> because your DNS servers don't have an address for that host
[07-Feb-2008 15:36:06] <twm1010> i ran a query at network-tools and they couldn't find it either
[07-Feb-2008 15:36:11] <twm1010> are you sure that address is right?
[07-Feb-2008 15:36:48] <twm1010> maybe it should be smtp.ngi.it ?
[07-Feb-2008 15:36:54] <stefano__> yes it's right, i send my mails from this host...
[07-Feb-2008 15:37:38] <stefano__> oh yes...is ngi!!!!!
[07-Feb-2008 15:38:28] <stefano__> twm1010
[07-Feb-2008 15:39:15] <stefano__> Test failed: smtplib.SMTPSenderRefused - (553, '5.1.8 <zenossuser_admin@zenoss.zero11.org>... Domain of sender address zenossuser_admin@zenoss.zero11.org does not exist', 'zenossuser_admin@zenoss.zero11.org') 2008/02/07 16:44:39
[07-Feb-2008 15:39:15] <stefano__>
[07-Feb-2008 15:39:15] <stefano__> Password
[07-Feb-2008 15:43:19] <stefano__> domain of sender address??
[07-Feb-2008 15:44:03] <couchommander> hey twm1010, sorry for the delay, was afk
[07-Feb-2008 15:44:49] <couchommander> problem I'm been trying to resolve, for windows clients with SNMP service enabled and SMNP Informant installed, file systels "used bytes" and "freebytes" are "unknown"
[07-Feb-2008 15:45:51] <couchommander> if I do an snmpwalk, however, I get a value for HOST-RESOURCES_MIB::hrStorageUsed.2
[07-Feb-2008 15:46:34] <twm1010> go to zProperties of the Windows device class, and change the SNMP version to v2
[07-Feb-2008 15:47:42] <stefano__> twm1010: have you got any idea about my error?
[07-Feb-2008 15:48:01] <twm1010> stefano, whose email server is that?
[07-Feb-2008 15:48:06] <twm1010> your ISP?
[07-Feb-2008 15:50:07] <stefano__> twm1010: sorry but i dont understand your question...
[07-Feb-2008 15:52:41] <stefano__> my isp is sntp.ngi.it...
[07-Feb-2008 15:54:07] <couchommander> twm1010: should this change be immediate? I have remodeled the device but tha information hasn't shown up. SNMP v2 was available, only V2c?
[07-Feb-2008 15:54:14] <couchommander> *wasn't
[07-Feb-2008 15:54:24] <twm1010> give it a few minutes
[07-Feb-2008 15:54:36] <twm1010> v2c is what i meant
[07-Feb-2008 15:54:41] <couchommander> ok, thx
[07-Feb-2008 15:55:19] <twm1010> i think it takes like 2-3 passes for the data to show up, it checks every 3-5 minutes? so give it 10-15
[07-Feb-2008 15:58:16] <stefano__> twm1010: no idea?
[07-Feb-2008 16:03:19] <twm1010> stefano, if this isn't your own SMTP server, you need to authenticate and you the sending address of a valider user
[07-Feb-2008 16:03:23] <twm1010> valid user, that is.
[07-Feb-2008 16:03:32] <twm1010> does your ISP host your company e-mail?
[07-Feb-2008 16:19:29] <linuxdave> I finally got zenoss to send test emails... but now, when I shut down processes to test events, nothing happens. I must be missing a step.
[07-Feb-2008 16:19:44] <linuxdave> can someone help me figure out what I am missing?
[07-Feb-2008 16:25:11] <twm1010> did you create alert rules?
[07-Feb-2008 16:36:28] <linuxdave> sorry... yes, I made one
[07-Feb-2008 16:37:58] <linuxdave> I set it to be anything, basically... I have one big group, and I want to alert on anyhting that is set to production in that group
[07-Feb-2008 16:38:43] <linuxdave> I shot off some processes that I know are listed on my device's page... and they dont go red
[07-Feb-2008 16:40:37] <couchommander> twm1010: the "used bytes" and "free bytes" fields are still not populating
[07-Feb-2008 16:40:39] <couchommander> any ideas?
[07-Feb-2008 16:41:06] <linuxdave> ug...I meant *shut off...not shot off lol
[07-Feb-2008 16:41:29] <twm1010> dave, are the events being generated?
[07-Feb-2008 16:41:48] <twm1010> coucho: not sure then, mine started working after i did that
[07-Feb-2008 16:42:17] <twm1010> this is on the OS tab right?
[07-Feb-2008 16:42:43] <couchommander> yes
[07-Feb-2008 16:42:55] <couchommander> windows servers
[07-Feb-2008 16:43:57] <linuxdave> I dont see any events for that box, no
[07-Feb-2008 16:44:30] <linuxdave> its green on my dashboard
[07-Feb-2008 16:48:47] <twm1010> well then, its not that the notification isn't being sent
[07-Feb-2008 16:48:52] <twm1010> its that the event is being generated
[07-Feb-2008 16:49:13] <twm1010> or maybe the event it generated, was not the right severity
[07-Feb-2008 16:49:28] <twm1010> go look at the events for the box, i think you'll see the problem there
[07-Feb-2008 16:55:09] <linuxdave> arg...my lunch just arrived ... I will bb
[07-Feb-2008 17:04:11] <twm1010> lunch does sound like a good idea
[07-Feb-2008 17:04:16] <twm1010> will bb myself.
[07-Feb-2008 17:28:05] <couchommander> brb
[07-Feb-2008 17:36:22] <linuxdave> back...
[07-Feb-2008 17:36:40] <linuxdave> looking at events...and I dont have any... all are set to critical if they go down
[07-Feb-2008 17:50:00] <twm1010> then its not detecting they are down
[07-Feb-2008 17:58:46] <linuxdave> does it not poll snmp for that?
[07-Feb-2008 17:58:55] <linuxdave> is there a log I can check?
[07-Feb-2008 18:08:54] <linuxdave> aha! snmp not running on my device lol
[07-Feb-2008 18:09:00] <linuxdave> let see if that will fix it
[07-Feb-2008 18:15:36] <linuxdave> brb gotta reboot
[07-Feb-2008 18:33:51] <linuxdave> ok i fixed snmpd on all my devices... I hadnt made them start on reboot and we had an outage last night
[07-Feb-2008 18:34:04] <linuxdave> i still see nothing going red
[07-Feb-2008 18:42:28] <linuxdave> is there a way to turn on debug or something? so i can see what zen is doing or not doing?
[07-Feb-2008 18:54:42] <twm1010> i don't see how you could have been getting green across the board while SNMP was down
[07-Feb-2008 18:54:51] <twm1010> i get an error level event when SNMP is offline
[07-Feb-2008 19:09:27] <linuxdave> hmmmm... i dont know man... this is wierd...its like its stalled or something
[07-Feb-2008 19:09:47] <linuxdave> thats why I was hoping for more logging or something I can look at
[07-Feb-2008 19:55:25] <linuxdave> should i be seeing pretty much constart snmp traffic from my zenoss server?
[07-Feb-2008 19:55:32] <linuxdave> *constant
[07-Feb-2008 19:55:54] <linuxdave> i am tcpdumping and I only seeing it doing snmp when I do a walk
[07-Feb-2008 20:14:05] <twm1010> check to see all your zenoss daemons are started
[07-Feb-2008 20:14:26] <twm1010> i could sear SNMP was a udp protocol
[07-Feb-2008 20:14:48] <linuxdave> they are
[07-Feb-2008 20:15:08] <linuxdave> I know snmp is udp port 161
[07-Feb-2008 20:28:08] <duncan> my zenperfsnmp daemon keeps dieing randomly every 12 hours or so.. I can't find anything in the logs to explain why.. it's polling about 700 nodes
[07-Feb-2008 20:30:47] <duncan> also, has anyone been able to get xmpp event alerting working? I've been trying to add a command to call sendxmpp with the options necessary to broadcast xmpp to online users on our intranet jabber server but I'm not having much luck
[07-Feb-2008 22:22:41] <johns55> hrm, just got a mysql down, looks like the process restarted but now its not alerting that it is backup
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[08-Feb-2008 00:57:07] <KillMeNow> duncan, check your disk I/O for the snmp daemon... willing to bet ya that it's getting bogged down polling 700 locations
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[08-Feb-2008 12:08:29] <ay> Hi. Is zenoss capable of talking to other zenoss'es?
[08-Feb-2008 12:09:03] <ay> Or atleast some sort of zenoss proxy, so I can monitor 3 different NAT'et networks with one single zenoss.
[08-Feb-2008 12:09:58] <ay> I guess/hope so. So if it's capable. Is there any documentation on this?
[08-Feb-2008 14:24:54] <duncan> good morning! I'm trying to tune zenoss to better utilize the hard drives in the box but I'm still getting about 30 to 40% iowait while collecting snmp
[08-Feb-2008 14:25:22] <duncan> I put the $ZENHOME/perf folder on a seperate physical drive to see if that helped but the bottleneck is still there
[08-Feb-2008 14:26:00] <duncan> is there some other data that needs to be split out? it's causing problems.. the zenperfsnmp daemon keeps dieing multiple times a day with no message in the log
[08-Feb-2008 14:26:16] <duncan> this is with 688 nodes
[08-Feb-2008 16:04:08] <Bulwinkle> how do I make sure a device doesn't get pinged?
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[08-Feb-2008 18:03:08] <sircco> hello, anyone here knows if i can have zenoss instances in every location forwarding alert and graph info to central location
[08-Feb-2008 18:08:07] <monrad> sircco: i think its in there enterprise product
[08-Feb-2008 18:08:37] <sircco> monrad: tnx, that would be cool for monitoring few countries
[08-Feb-2008 18:34:48] <duncan> I put the $ZENHOME/perf folder on a seperate physical drive to see if that helped but the bottleneck is still there
[08-Feb-2008 18:34:55] <duncan> good morning! I'm trying to tune zenoss to better utilize the hard drives in the box but I'm still getting about 30 to 40% iowait while collecting snmp
[08-Feb-2008 20:49:21] <jsm> is there a scritable way to bring a machine in and out of maintenance? i have to bring a Virtual Machine down to back it up, i'd like it to report itself as offline when it's shutting down, and say that it's back online when it's starting up.. so zenoss knows not to send warnings. and so i don't have to predict what the window will be.
[08-Feb-2008 20:57:10] <duncan> is it possible to have a critical link status alert for HA nodes?
[08-Feb-2008 21:08:05] <Bulwinkle> how do I clear my Map cache again?
[08-Feb-2008 21:18:42] <maj> where can i find release notes for zenoss 2.1.0
[08-Feb-2008 21:19:16] <maj> i am using 2.0.0 and would like to see the new features introduced in 2.1.0 since 2.0.0
[08-Feb-2008 21:23:13] <maj> ?
[08-Feb-2008 21:25:54] <flea> http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/release-notes
[08-Feb-2008 21:26:08] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss - Release Notes - Open Source Application, Server, and Network Management (at www.zenoss.com)
[08-Feb-2008 21:26:19] <flea> its like the seventh link on the site
[08-Feb-2008 21:29:03] <maj> ty
[08-Feb-2008 21:31:51] <duncan> I know this is probably a RTFM question, but: is it possible to have a critical link status alert for HA nodes?
[08-Feb-2008 21:58:38] <duncan> Beatles or Stones?
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[08-Feb-2008 23:36:56] <johns55> anyone here?
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[09-Feb-2008 02:56:15] <gunblade_> hello
[09-Feb-2008 02:56:19] <gunblade_> anyone?
[09-Feb-2008 02:56:56] <gunblade_> i need help on configuring zenoss to monitor my webserver
[09-Feb-2008 02:57:04] <gunblade_> anyone willing to help?
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[09-Feb-2008 17:56:47] <y0muds> hi
[09-Feb-2008 17:57:09] <y0muds> is there any doc for openbsd + zenoss installation?
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[10-Feb-2008 04:48:49] <BALLIA_HATALLIA> hallo
[10-Feb-2008 04:49:49] <BALLIA_HATALLIA> Everyone sleep? =)
[10-Feb-2008 04:49:58] <BALLIA_HATALLIA> =(
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[11-Feb-2008 05:35:01] <RackspaceWhore> I'm trying to find documentation on how to distribute by processing across multiple servers. I just updated to the latest version of zenoss and the network discovery of my /16 is taking hours, it used to take 20 minutes under 1.0.x.
[11-Feb-2008 15:40:25] <to_kallon> hello, i am having this error: http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3715&view=previous&sid=99acdaf4e4baaa8e078877917e088b5f
[11-Feb-2008 15:40:25] <to_kallon> with zenoss-2.1.2 and have read the above post and tried the suggested fix in the changeset, however, either that fix did not work for me or i did not understand the suggestion. any help much appreciated. thanks.
[11-Feb-2008 16:44:22] <popoludnica> Hi
[11-Feb-2008 16:44:27] <popoludnica> Help pleeeaaase
[11-Feb-2008 16:44:41] <popoludnica> I need to refresh pt files which I've modified
[11-Feb-2008 16:44:46] <popoludnica> restart does not work
[11-Feb-2008 16:45:05] <popoludnica> putting them into a zenpack to override zenmodel ones does not work
[11-Feb-2008 16:45:17] <popoludnica> I do not want to get that deep into zenoss
[11-Feb-2008 16:45:20] <popoludnica> What next???
[11-Feb-2008 17:09:25] <KillMeNow> morning folks
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[11-Feb-2008 19:24:51] <_LoneCrow> So just out of curiousity, did MRTG die and everyone went to zenoss?
[11-Feb-2008 19:26:18] <_LoneCrow> also which server is easiest to install zenoss on? and yes I tried the vmware one, and now I want to actually get working on it. I want to build a box. Centos or Ubuntu? Has anyone made their own image yet?
[11-Feb-2008 19:45:49] <_LoneCrow> actually now I remember the instructions for ubuntu were completely off, and it was a major pain in the arse so I gave up.
[11-Feb-2008 20:19:29] <Bulwinkle> _LoneCrow: Centos seems to be what everyone is saying is the easiest
[11-Feb-2008 20:19:41] <Bulwinkle> MRTG is not dead...
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[11-Feb-2008 22:10:45] <thelsdj> so trying to follow this: http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/howtos/monitoring-email-delivery-and-receipt/ but having a hell of a time figuring out where to find the page to add data source
[11-Feb-2008 22:11:02] <adytum-bot> Title: Zenoss - Monitoring Email Delivery and Receipt - Open Source Application, Server, and Network Management (at www.zenoss.com)
[11-Feb-2008 22:13:35] <thelsdj> ok guess i figured out that you need to create a new template first then go into that
[11-Feb-2008 22:17:01] <thelsdj> if something says 'restart zencommand' can i just kill -HUP the process?
[11-Feb-2008 22:19:57] <thelsdj> ha, i tried zenoss restart and something started looping taking my load up to about 11
[11-Feb-2008 22:41:32] <thelsdj> so if i add a perf template to a device, setup data source, threshold, graph, is there something else i have to do to actually make it run?
[11-Feb-2008 22:46:55] <thelsdj> my graph is showing missing rrd file error
[11-Feb-2008 22:54:04] <thelsdj> also maybe i didn't setup the data points correctly, the script data source i'm using outputs data like this: 'EMAIL DELIVERY OK - 21 seconds, 21 delay' is there something special i need to do to setup the datapoints for this?
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[12-Feb-2008 00:23:42] <johns55> anyone know if it is possible to monitor mysql replication with zenoss?
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[12-Feb-2008 09:21:19] <popoludnica> Hi
[12-Feb-2008 09:21:34] <popoludnica> anyone to elaborate on refreshing .pt files? :)
[12-Feb-2008 09:22:12] <popoludnica> I tried making silly changes, restarting, adding the debug flag to zope as suggested somewhere and nothing works
[12-Feb-2008 09:22:21] <popoludnica> I can't see changes I introduce
[12-Feb-2008 09:22:24] <popoludnica> WHY?
[12-Feb-2008 09:32:29] <popoludnica> Why no one ever answer my questions? :)
[12-Feb-2008 09:58:52] <c0m4> hey, I'm wonder about the agents, is there a way to make the client communicat with the server instead of the server doing snmp pulls?
[12-Feb-2008 09:59:11] <c0m4> I'm wondering^
[12-Feb-2008 10:01:30] <c0m4> any one know if I can setup a client behind a firewall to push the status instead of the server pulling it from the client?
[12-Feb-2008 10:02:16] <c0m4> help?
[12-Feb-2008 10:02:26] <popoludnica> traps?
[12-Feb-2008 10:03:00] <popoludnica> you can send html requests to zenoss as well?
[12-Feb-2008 10:03:01] <c0m4> popoludnica: is it supported by zenoss?
[12-Feb-2008 10:03:16] <popoludnica> it is - but I've never tried
[12-Feb-2008 10:03:45] <c0m4> is it done with the agent of I need to write something myself?
[12-Feb-2008 10:04:17] <popoludnica> read zenoss manual
[12-Feb-2008 10:04:35] <popoludnica> it's a pain cause it's long, but it's worth
[12-Feb-2008 10:05:48] <c0m4> I want to know if the product features are what I need, I don't think I need to read a manual for that, I went through some docs but they are not clear about the architecture
[12-Feb-2008 10:06:06] <popoludnica> you can do nearly everything you can think of with zenoss
[12-Feb-2008 10:06:24] <popoludnica> definitely traps, http requests, syslog interception etc
[12-Feb-2008 10:06:46] <popoludnica> but you do need to read manual to use it effectively
[12-Feb-2008 10:07:01] <popoludnica> learning curve is still higher then for.. snmpwalk ;)
[12-Feb-2008 10:07:32] <c0m4> its more for windows machines, that why I'm strugling... :(
[12-Feb-2008 10:08:09] <c0m4> I'm not sure what exactly the agent does (zenwin).. is it an snmp agent?
[12-Feb-2008 10:08:24] <popoludnica> wmi snmp
[12-Feb-2008 10:08:45] <c0m4> oh.. so it interface between the snmp and the wmi queries?
[12-Feb-2008 10:08:51] <popoludnica> windows is the other world for me
[12-Feb-2008 10:09:10] <c0m4> me too, that why I sound lost...
[12-Feb-2008 10:09:21] <popoludnica> google
[12-Feb-2008 10:09:30] <popoludnica> If I need something google can give me any answer
[12-Feb-2008 10:09:45] <c0m4> tried it already...
[12-Feb-2008 10:09:50] <c0m4> tnx for the help
[12-Feb-2008 10:10:47] <popoludnica> if not I spend night trying to solve it on my own ;/
[12-Feb-2008 10:10:50] <popoludnica> bye
[12-Feb-2008 13:26:53] <ay> What's the "correct" way to monitor http with zenoss? Nagios-plugin?
[12-Feb-2008 13:27:12] * ay can't find any info on "non-smtp"-monitoring except using nagios-plugins.
[12-Feb-2008 13:38:53] <twm1010> There is an HTTP zenpack
[12-Feb-2008 13:39:09] <twm1010> which actually checks to see if the site responds, not just seeing if port 80 is responding
[12-Feb-2008 13:55:58] <ay> In the default install?
[12-Feb-2008 13:56:22] <ay> I haven't found anything that just checks port 80 either.
[12-Feb-2008 14:06:22] <ay> OK. Found it. And enabled the zenpack.
[12-Feb-2008 14:06:54] <ay> But then what? How do I configure this check for a machine?
[12-Feb-2008 14:10:30] <ay> 7 years of nagios does not seem to help me to navigate.
[12-Feb-2008 14:11:09] <twm1010> i've not used the http zenpack
[12-Feb-2008 14:11:11] <twm1010> sorry
[12-Feb-2008 14:11:52] <ay> Isn't it quite normalt to monitor http?
[12-Feb-2008 14:11:53] <ay> :-D
[12-Feb-2008 14:12:34] <cpufreak> ay: if you've 7 years nagios experience, maybe opsview would be a better option for a monitoring system?
[12-Feb-2008 14:14:26] <ay> Hm. Maybe. I'll take a look a at it.
[12-Feb-2008 14:14:53] <ay> I wrote Munin a few years back. And I've combined that with nagios over the years.
[12-Feb-2008 14:15:24] <ay> But I would like to use a database as a backend and nagios isn't very strong as a CMDB.
[12-Feb-2008 14:15:32] <ay> Grouping is not very good.
[12-Feb-2008 14:16:02] <ay> And the videos of ZenOSS looks very promising.
[12-Feb-2008 14:17:22] <hardtofi> does anyone have an opinion on ZenOSS vs Zabbix?
[12-Feb-2008 14:17:42] <twm1010> ay: i've been happy with it, i went into it with very little linux and snmp knowledge
[12-Feb-2008 14:17:47] <twm1010> the learning curve for me has been very big
[12-Feb-2008 14:18:50] <cpufreak> meh. I'm currently migrating here away from zenoss, as it seems utterly unreliable as a monitoring system... firing off countless false alarms, and not alarming when there is an actual problem.
[12-Feb-2008 14:19:04] <twm1010> what are you migrating too?
[12-Feb-2008 14:19:05] <ay> Ups.
[12-Feb-2008 14:19:14] <cpufreak> from idling in here, seems I'm not the only one :)
[12-Feb-2008 14:19:17] <cpufreak> Opsview
[12-Feb-2008 14:19:36] <cpufreak> which is nagios, with a mysql backend + a decent web frontend.
[12-Feb-2008 14:19:58] <ay> cpufreak: Is it a mysql backend, or just storing data there afterwards?
[12-Feb-2008 14:20:01] <twm1010> Is it free?
[12-Feb-2008 14:20:19] <cpufreak> twm1010: yes, free.
[12-Feb-2008 14:20:24] <cpufreak> ay: backend.
[12-Feb-2008 14:20:43] <twm1010> The majority of your devices are?
[12-Feb-2008 14:20:46] <cpufreak> well GPLed, not free. :)
[12-Feb-2008 14:21:06] <cpufreak> Linux, Solaris, Windows, and Cisco.
[12-Feb-2008 14:21:42] <twm1010> So far Zenoss is working fine for me. I am pushing it out now to our entire network
[12-Feb-2008 14:21:50] <cpufreak> long term will just be Linux (ubuntu)
[12-Feb-2008 14:22:11] <cpufreak> we only had around 200 servers being monitored by it, and it was failing to cope in anyways shape or form
[12-Feb-2008 14:22:17] <twm1010> I find it almost brings back too much data, especially from Windows boxes
[12-Feb-2008 14:23:03] <twm1010> My job is to unify our monitoring systems
[12-Feb-2008 14:23:05] <cpufreak> plus zenoss would sometimes randomly choose to snmp poll some devices 3 times a second... every second
[12-Feb-2008 14:23:11] <twm1010> we have managewise, hobbit, nagios, zenworks asset manager
[12-Feb-2008 14:23:23] <cpufreak> unlucky :)
[12-Feb-2008 14:23:44] <cpufreak> monitoring systems ar always a poisioned challace.
[12-Feb-2008 14:23:58] <ay> cpufreak: Whats the paying part?
[12-Feb-2008 14:24:05] <ay> The non-gpl part that is.
[12-Feb-2008 14:24:12] <cpufreak> there is no non gpl part
[12-Feb-2008 14:24:24] <cpufreak> altinty who wrote it do consultancy services though, if you want extra features
[12-Feb-2008 14:24:41] <cpufreak> but any improvement to opsview will make it back intot he gpl release
[12-Feb-2008 14:24:44] <twm1010> I may take a look at that
[12-Feb-2008 14:24:54] * ay to.
[12-Feb-2008 14:24:58] <twm1010> I'm happy with Zenoss so far
[12-Feb-2008 14:25:20] <ay> Does it do trend analysis?
[12-Feb-2008 14:25:41] <twm1010> ay: do you mean, projections? or just showing trends?
[12-Feb-2008 14:25:50] <ay> both.
[12-Feb-2008 14:26:32] * ay is quite happy with his nagios brother in arms, munin (http://munin.projects.linpro.no) graphs trends and alerts nagios.
[12-Feb-2008 14:26:38] <cpufreak> shows trends, no idea on projections, not something which applies to us yes.
[12-Feb-2008 14:26:40] <adytum-bot> Title: Munin - Trac (at munin.projects.linpro.no)
[12-Feb-2008 14:27:27] <ay> Similar to cacti i guess.
[12-Feb-2008 14:32:10] <q2srw77> I've been using Zenoss for about 2 months now and had it in a Test Environment before that. I've actually found that Zenoss is pretty acurate and doesn't give any false alarms.
[12-Feb-2008 14:34:22] <twm1010> I get the most spam from Windows boxes
[12-Feb-2008 14:34:46] <twm1010> I finally resolved to myself a few weeks ago, that trying to keep everything "green" all the time is all about event classification
[12-Feb-2008 14:39:25] <q2srw77> Yeah I had to do the same with the Event Classification of Windows Warnings
[12-Feb-2008 14:43:24] <twm1010> I would sincerely appreciate a best practices tutorial on configuring a domain service account for zenoss to use
[12-Feb-2008 14:43:52] <twm1010> I've approached it a number of ways, but would like a definitive "this is how you should do it"
[12-Feb-2008 16:19:50] <tristanbob_> cpufreak, you are migrated to Ubuntu only environment?
[12-Feb-2008 16:22:14] <cpufreak> yeh
[12-Feb-2008 16:36:07] <tristanbob_> cpufreak, that is neat to hear - I use ubuntu at home and work - great to see it becoming the defacto Linux distro
[12-Feb-2008 16:36:59] <cpufreak> seems stupid not too these days.
[12-Feb-2008 16:57:15] <[Wiebel]> Hello :)
[12-Feb-2008 16:57:37] <[Wiebel]> I'm sorry to bardge in like this but I just found out you guys are on freenode
[12-Feb-2008 16:58:23] <[Wiebel]> anyway, I'm having some weird issues. while reading some cisco routers, some of them come back with the wrong subnetmask on some of the interfaces
[12-Feb-2008 16:58:27] <[Wiebel]> (serial interfaces)
[12-Feb-2008 16:58:47] <[Wiebel]> the snmpquery itself gives me the correct subnet though
[12-Feb-2008 17:00:14] <[Wiebel]> the interfaces is a peer to peer link, a /30 and zenoss thinks it's a /24
[12-Feb-2008 17:00:19] <[Wiebel]> but only on some of the routers
[12-Feb-2008 17:00:27] <[Wiebel]> and on some of the interfaces
[12-Feb-2008 17:31:31] <[Wiebel]> adding the subnets manual and repolling the devices seems to help
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[12-Feb-2008 18:24:45] <johns55> anyone know where the PerfConf tab is located?
[12-Feb-2008 18:48:31] <davetoo> hi
[12-Feb-2008 18:49:16] <davetoo> Anybody awake who's using 2.1.71 and started from scratch (not an upgrade)?
[12-Feb-2008 18:50:14] <[Wiebel]> .71 ?
[12-Feb-2008 18:50:17] <[Wiebel]> svn?
[12-Feb-2008 18:51:55] <davetoo> I got it as a tarball
[12-Feb-2008 18:52:08] <davetoo> it is one of the 2.2 "sprint" betas
[12-Feb-2008 18:53:17] <davetoo> INFO:zen.ZenDisc:trying to auto-allocate device harley-19-7.lab.xxxxx.com
[12-Feb-2008 18:53:17] <davetoo> ERROR:zen.ZenDisc:no auto-allocation script found
[12-Feb-2008 18:53:39] <[Wiebel]> hmmz
[12-Feb-2008 18:53:42] <[Wiebel]> where can I download those?
[12-Feb-2008 18:53:43] <[Wiebel]> betas
[12-Feb-2008 18:54:36] <davetoo> http://dev.zenoss.org/downloads/
[12-Feb-2008 18:54:44] <adytum-bot> Title: Index of /downloads (at dev.zenoss.org)
[12-Feb-2008 18:55:10] <[Wiebel]> hmmz
[12-Feb-2008 18:55:17] <[Wiebel]> no reebsd specefic source
[12-Feb-2008 18:55:35] <davetoo> oh
[12-Feb-2008 18:55:43] <davetoo> I haven't tried on freebsd yet.
[12-Feb-2008 18:55:50] <davetoo> Taking the easy way out and using centos.
[12-Feb-2008 18:55:54] <[Wiebel]> I have some issues on freebsd
[12-Feb-2008 18:56:05] <[Wiebel]> so I'm hoping the beta fixes that :)
[12-Feb-2008 18:57:39] <[Wiebel]> sjeez, is that dev server behind DSL or so? :)
[12-Feb-2008 19:18:02] <[Wiebel]> I don't get taht beta
[12-Feb-2008 19:18:10] <[Wiebel]> it asumes that python is installed in the zenoss dir...
[12-Feb-2008 19:21:10] <[Wiebel]> anyone here who has 2.1.2 running under freebsd?
[12-Feb-2008 19:50:46] <KillMeNow> nope, i'm using CentOS5
[12-Feb-2008 19:55:49] <foxb> Hi, I have missing RRD FILE on performance graphs any Idea what could caused it?
[12-Feb-2008 20:55:19] <Bulwinkle> anyone remeber the hyperlink to clear the map cache?
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[13-Feb-2008 00:16:22] <johns55> anyone have any exprience installing nagios plugins?
[13-Feb-2008 00:49:38] <KillMeNow> in to zenoss?
[13-Feb-2008 00:49:52] <KillMeNow> I remember seeing a section in the administrators guide i think
[13-Feb-2008 01:08:13] <johns55> yeah ive been through that
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[13-Feb-2008 05:16:12] <adytum-bot> New Blog/News Feed: Advogato blog for oubiwann - Blendix Update - 19 Jan, 01:04AM
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[13-Feb-2008 09:02:19] <[Wiebel]> moin
[13-Feb-2008 11:17:12] <[Wiebel]> humz
[13-Feb-2008 11:17:21] <[Wiebel]> the freebsd version of th source doesnt include icmp.py and ip.py
[13-Feb-2008 11:27:24] <[Wiebel]> pyip was missing
[13-Feb-2008 13:49:37] <twm1010> *crickets chirping*
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[13-Feb-2008 20:17:17] <johns55> anyone here?
[13-Feb-2008 20:39:56] <telexicon> yes
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[13-Feb-2008 20:51:44] <KillMeNow> yea i'm here
[13-Feb-2008 20:51:45] <KillMeNow> kinda
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[13-Feb-2008 20:54:50] <johns55> are you familiar with command templates?
[13-Feb-2008 21:48:44] <ke4qqq> johns55, there are a few around
[13-Feb-2008 21:57:54] <johns55> im trying to make a custom one
[13-Feb-2008 21:58:02] <johns55> but it wont recognize my perl script
[13-Feb-2008 21:58:08] <johns55> gives me a exit status error
[13-Feb-2008 21:58:16] <johns55> this is trying to install a nagios plugin
[13-Feb-2008 21:58:19] <johns55> any idea?
[13-Feb-2008 22:37:20] <couchommander> quick question is anyone is willing to bite
[13-Feb-2008 22:37:23] <couchommander> *if
[13-Feb-2008 23:00:18] <couchommander> allo
[13-Feb-2008 23:00:19] <couchommander> ?
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[14-Feb-2008 04:28:25] <frostengine> has anyone been able to use zenoss's wmi implementation against a vista box?
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[14-Feb-2008 11:01:44] <Gothi[c]> i'm evaluating whether i should use zenoss on my networks, but i have a few questions... 1) can i do a minimalistic install on the servers being monitored (eg: without webinterface and stuff not needed for just monitoring) 2) can i give my users limited access to, for example only view graphs for 1 server, and not actually manipulate any data... ?
[14-Feb-2008 11:04:17] <Gothi[c]> let me clarify question 1: Can i have 1 machine with web interface etc, and have the other machines send their monitored data (eg: number of logged-in users, mysql queries/second,...) to that central machine?
[14-Feb-2008 11:06:43] <[Wiebel]> grrrr
[14-Feb-2008 11:06:46] <[Wiebel]> zope wont start
[14-Feb-2008 11:06:55] <Gothi[c]> like, if i think of real world situations, there would be local tests AND remote tests (eg: a ping test would have to run from a remote server, checking the number of logged in users would have to run on the server being monitored), so what is provided to do the part on the server being monitored?
[14-Feb-2008 11:07:20] <Gothi[c]> sorry for barging in with all that ascii like that :)
[14-Feb-2008 11:22:25] <[Wiebel]> Gothi[c]: if i'm not mistaking, that is possible
[14-Feb-2008 11:23:23] <Gothi[c]> for both questions?
[14-Feb-2008 11:24:03] <Gothi[c]> i like the plugin architecture,... so if it's not possible out of the box i guess i can make it possible
[14-Feb-2008 11:34:30] <[Wiebel]> hmmz
[14-Feb-2008 11:34:42] <[Wiebel]> in 2.1.71 i get a rotating loading thingy that won't go away
[14-Feb-2008 11:45:14] <sensei> Hi, I'm currently giving zenoss a go, and I'm obviously going through the docs. "All" configuration seems to be done via the dropdowns in each section.. I can't see any of those drop-downs?
[14-Feb-2008 11:45:42] <sensei> The documentation is for 2.1.1, and I've got 2.1.2 installed, but I'm guessing such a change wouldn't be made in a minor version?
[14-Feb-2008 11:45:50] <sensei> Am I missing something blatantly obvious, or what?
[14-Feb-2008 11:45:57] <sensei> Using IE 7
[14-Feb-2008 11:46:51] <sensei> For instance, on page 100 in the manual, in "Processes", there should be a drop-down in the upper left corner form which you can do a lot of stuff, I can't see that arrow
[14-Feb-2008 14:22:46] <dundel> hi
[14-Feb-2008 14:23:18] <dundel> zenoss looks interesting, is it possible to run it virtual (virtualbox)
[14-Feb-2008 14:25:05] <dundel> with no restrictions...
[14-Feb-2008 14:27:12] <[Wiebel]> i'm getting event entries for a device not in my device list
[14-Feb-2008 14:27:18] <[Wiebel]> strangly enough
[14-Feb-2008 14:29:58] <sensei> dundel: Can't see why not
[14-Feb-2008 14:30:22] <dundel> good thx
[14-Feb-2008 15:32:20] <askbill> Could anyone tell me where I can discover what OID Zenoss is using to populate the graphs on a Windows devices' "Perf" tab?
[14-Feb-2008 15:36:57] <frostengine> Anyone in here works on the development of zenoss? There is a problem with wmi on vista boxes. Its due to in vista its more strict to the RPC protocol. I've seen the same problem in a java dcom bridge called j-interop. They were eventually able to fix it there.
[14-Feb-2008 15:58:20] <Bulwinkle> anyone having problems with zenoss getting locked in mysql?
[14-Feb-2008 16:15:30] <frostengine> is this room always so quite?
[14-Feb-2008 16:16:38] <Bulwinkle> its must because ZenOSS never has problems :)
[14-Feb-2008 16:17:32] <askbill> haha. I've been through OpenNMS and Nagios. Zenoss is my fav. =)
[14-Feb-2008 16:19:44] <frostengine> I agree its great, will be 10x's better if I can get the wmi to work against a vista box though
[14-Feb-2008 16:21:45] <askbill> Oh, and the same for me if I can figure out what OID's the "Pref" graphs use....but still, I'm in full on nerd lust. ;)
[14-Feb-2008 16:23:48] <frostengine> some organizations are starting to move a lot towards vista now, such as where I work..... pretty soon vista will be the main box we have, and yet I cant monitor services using wmi with zenoss... so its a very big problem... Does anyone know any developers for zenoss who may be willing to look into fixing the bug?
[14-Feb-2008 16:51:35] <ke4qqq> frostengine: I'd post to the mailing list first - if that doesn't work it's really easy to get ahold of zenoss devs.
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[14-Feb-2008 18:25:49] <couchommander> good afternoon
[14-Feb-2008 18:25:56] <couchommander> anyone up to answer some questions?
[14-Feb-2008 18:30:12] <couchommander> long story short zenoss auto-discovered http ipservice running on a w2k3 machine, which is in the /server/windows class, however when I disbale the service, and verify that you cannot connect to the machine on port 80, the service still shows as OK
[14-Feb-2008 18:30:30] <couchommander> *disable
[14-Feb-2008 18:30:40] <couchommander> any ideas as to what I've missed?
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[14-Feb-2008 19:00:16] <picoaeterna> has anyone experienced any issues with installing zenoss with gentoo?
[14-Feb-2008 19:00:54] <[Wiebel]> I'm getting "cannot communicate with the server" while browsing events
[14-Feb-2008 19:01:04] <picoaeterna> specifically mysql install problems
[14-Feb-2008 19:25:51] <KillMeNow> is mysql running?
[14-Feb-2008 19:25:57] <KillMeNow> is it on the default 3306 port?
[14-Feb-2008 19:26:18] <KillMeNow> have you verified that the mysql username / password to the zenoss DB is set properly?
[14-Feb-2008 19:27:23] <picoaeterna> Yea
[14-Feb-2008 19:27:49] <picoaeterna> the install.sh script should create the database/user for me
[14-Feb-2008 19:28:20] <picoaeterna> however I created both just to double check my work and im still getting the same error messages
[14-Feb-2008 19:31:09] <picoaeterna> this is so weird. I have it installed on another gentoo machine and the install was fine
[14-Feb-2008 20:08:19] <frostengine> if any developers are in here, i'm pretty close to having fixed that run wmi against a vista box issue.... i can explain how its done if someones interested...
[14-Feb-2008 20:18:33] <KillMeNow> frostengine, you have any ideas why i keep getting "bad wmi state" on a windows XP box?
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[14-Feb-2008 20:22:23] <GothicBlack> Howdy!
[14-Feb-2008 20:26:05] <frostengine> killmenow, sorry no i dont have any idea for that one.. if your going to run wmi on an xp box if its serivce pack 2, then you need to run this command to open up the right port on the firewall netsh firewall set service RemoteAdmin also, in service pack 2 they make it so that remote connections are pushed to the guest account, you can change that in secpol.msc though one of those 2 things MAY account for your bad state
[14-Feb-2008 20:59:12] <GothicBlack> Hey, anyone available that might be able to lend some insight to a failure of zendisc?
[14-Feb-2008 20:59:42] <GothicBlack> It fails on localhost
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[14-Feb-2008 22:18:00] <KillMeNow> hey frostengine, thanks a bunch! I don't have the firewall turned on but i didn't know about the secpol, i'll definately make sure that i get that changed asap!
[14-Feb-2008 22:18:38] <KillMeNow> no idea gothicblack
[14-Feb-2008 22:23:52] <GothicBlack> thx kill
[14-Feb-2008 22:28:26] <GothicBlack> found a few possibilities via the web, but those are certainly not it. Is there a way to point zendisc specific IPs?
[14-Feb-2008 22:32:35] <KillMeNow> TBH, i just started using Zenoss a few weeks ago so i'm still not sure what zendisc does
[14-Feb-2008 22:47:19] <KillMeNow> hey GothicBlack... found this to enable debugging on it: http://lists.zenoss.org/pipermail/zenoss-users/2006/000123.html
[14-Feb-2008 23:12:21] <purevol> whats going on party people
[14-Feb-2008 23:17:40] <purevol> anyone around here a zenoss expert?
[14-Feb-2008 23:23:31] <purevol> is anyone familiar with a forward compatibility issue with python, on fedora core 8?
[14-Feb-2008 23:36:38] <GothicBlack> thx KillMeNow
[14-Feb-2008 23:37:17] <johns55> i have zenoss installed on fc8
[14-Feb-2008 23:37:19] <johns55> whats the problem
[14-Feb-2008 23:39:08] <purevol> well,
[14-Feb-2008 23:39:11] <purevol> ill show you
[14-Feb-2008 23:40:59] <purevol> http://pastebin.com/m70391654
[14-Feb-2008 23:41:06] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[14-Feb-2008 23:42:45] <purevol> my python version is 2.5
[14-Feb-2008 23:43:08] <purevol> .1 to be precise
[14-Feb-2008 23:45:45] <purevol> so i would call the problem, maybe forward compatibility
[14-Feb-2008 23:46:52] <Gothi[c]> i'm trying to install from svn and it seems to insist on bundeling it's own python
[14-Feb-2008 23:47:22] <Gothi[c]> and if i try to force my system-wide installed python upon it it complains: python must be version 2.3.5 or 2.4 ... i have 2.4.4
[14-Feb-2008 23:47:26] <Gothi[c]> wtf?..
[14-Feb-2008 23:49:10] <purevol> yeah, well im having some of the same python problems dude, i have 2.5.1 and i try to start zenoss and it spews a whole band of errors
[14-Feb-2008 23:50:08] <purevol> i did manage to get it to build via the rpm, but like i said when i try to start it, its a nightmare
[14-Feb-2008 23:51:18] <Gothi[c]> did you build from an src rpm or a binary rpm?
[14-Feb-2008 23:51:28] <Gothi[c]> s/build/install/
[14-Feb-2008 23:52:05] <purevol> i tried the src, first
[14-Feb-2008 23:52:12] <purevol> then used a binary
[14-Feb-2008 23:52:28] <purevol> i also had to install all sorts of mysql dev libs
[14-Feb-2008 23:52:34] <Gothi[c]> i guess it could be that the binary just doesn't check for the python version, and that things really break with anythong other than 2.4
[14-Feb-2008 23:52:55] <Gothi[c]> anything* hehe
[14-Feb-2008 23:53:05] <Gothi[c]> 2.4 or 2.3.5 that is
[14-Feb-2008 23:53:22] <purevol> im guessing you should see my paste bin http://pastebin.com/m70391654
[14-Feb-2008 23:53:27] <purevol> thats what im dealing with
[14-Feb-2008 23:53:29] <adytum-bot> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
[14-Feb-2008 23:54:38] <Gothi[c]> hmm
[14-Feb-2008 23:55:16] <Gothi[c]> it's having trouble loading ZODB, so it triest to download it and install it, but can't connect since for some reason it's trying to fetch it from localhost
[14-Feb-2008 23:55:28] <Gothi[c]> *tries
[14-Feb-2008 23:55:32] <Gothi[c]> gee, i'm having a typo day
[14-Feb-2008 23:56:28] <Gothi[c]> i don't know much about zenoss... heck i'm still trying to install it
[14-Feb-2008 23:56:28] <Gothi[c]> but
[14-Feb-2008 23:56:38] <Gothi[c]> it seems like it needs some kind of service running first
[14-Feb-2008 23:56:50] <Gothi[c]> before it can do what it's trying to do there and fails at it
[14-Feb-2008 23:57:28] <purevol> me too
[14-Feb-2008 23:58:36] <Gothi[c]> "wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32" seems a bit weird tho
[14-Feb-2008 23:59:02] <Gothi[c]> what kind of OS and architecture are you running on?
[14-Feb-2008 23:59:12] <Gothi[c]> are you sure you fetched the rpm for the correct OS and architecture?
[14-Feb-2008 23:59:28] <Gothi[c]> because that almost seems like a binary incompatibility error
[14-Feb-2008 23:59:39] <Gothi[c]> but like i said, wtf do i know :)
[15-Feb-2008 00:00:04] <purevol> fc8
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[15-Feb-2008 00:00:38] <purevol> 2.6.23.14-107.fc8 #1 SMP
[15-Feb-2008 00:01:02] <Gothi[c]> as long as you didn't install a 64b version on a 32b machine or something
[15-Feb-2008 00:01:03] <Gothi[c]> i dunno...
[15-Feb-2008 00:01:35] <Gothi[c]> or the other way around even
[15-Feb-2008 00:02:25] <Gothi[c]> if you google for that error, you get lots of places mentioning 64bit/32bit incompatibilities
[15-Feb-2008 00:02:37] <purevol> yeah
[15-Feb-2008 00:02:45] <purevol> who knows
[15-Feb-2008 00:02:53] <purevol> i was hoping there was a zenoss ninja here
[15-Feb-2008 00:03:04] <Gothi[c]> there may be a few here
[15-Feb-2008 00:03:10] <Gothi[c]> but they are not awake
[15-Feb-2008 00:03:11] <Gothi[c]> :)
[15-Feb-2008 00:03:23] <purevol> its like 7p est
[15-Feb-2008 00:03:48] <Gothi[c]> you're probably better off trying the forums since people don't tend to read their irc buffers way back
[15-Feb-2008 00:06:02] <Gothi[c]> like i said though
[15-Feb-2008 00:06:08] <Gothi[c]> do check your system architecture
[15-Feb-2008 00:06:26] <Gothi[c]> if you're running a 64bit processor, try to find a 64bit version for zenoss
[15-Feb-2008 00:06:32] <Gothi[c]> and the same for 32bit
[15-Feb-2008 00:06:41] <Gothi[c]> doublecheck that whole thing :)
[15-Feb-2008 00:07:20] <Gothi[c]> since the elf error is comming from a lib inside the zenoss tree
[15-Feb-2008 00:07:36] <Gothi[c]> it would hint that the zenoss you installed has binary incompatibility with your system
[15-Feb-2008 00:07:54] <purevol> werd
[15-Feb-2008 00:08:07] <Gothi[c]> not really, it's very likely since you installed a binary rpm :)
[15-Feb-2008 00:08:55] <Gothi[c]> check the filename of the rpm you installed
[15-Feb-2008 00:09:09] <Gothi[c]> if you're on a 32bit system make sure it has x86 in it
[15-Feb-2008 00:09:23] <Gothi[c]> make sure it doesn't have arm or ia64 or anything in it
[15-Feb-2008 00:11:35] <Gothi[c]> the rpm on zenoss is for fc7, so it may be incompatible because of that too
[15-Feb-2008 00:13:16] <purevol> well there is that
[15-Feb-2008 00:14:09] <Gothi[c]> you're probably better off compiling from source if there's no exact binary rpm matching your system
[15-Feb-2008 00:14:27] <Gothi[c]> but then be prepared to install lots of -devel packages for each and every dependency
[15-Feb-2008 00:14:35] <purevol> yeah i know
[15-Feb-2008 00:14:45] <purevol> we will see, im doing a os update
[15-Feb-2008 00:14:48] <purevol> and see what that breaks
[15-Feb-2008 00:14:56] <purevol> and then ill try to build by source
[15-Feb-2008 00:15:23] <Gothi[c]> you and me both :p
[15-Feb-2008 00:17:49] <Gothi[c]> i think i'm gonna try to not force my python on it and just let it's do it's own thing with the bundeled python it hass
[15-Feb-2008 00:17:52] <Gothi[c]> -s
[15-Feb-2008 00:19:26] <Gothi[c]> since it seems it's very picky about version
[15-Feb-2008 00:20:13] <Gothi[c]> there has to be a way around this though, imagine every app did this, you'd have 200 python installations on your system, not really the best way of doing things imo :)
[15-Feb-2008 00:22:00] <KillMeNow> PUREVOL: http://lists.zenoss.org/pipermail/zenoss-users/2007/004038.html
[15-Feb-2008 00:22:22] <purevol> i cant build from source
[15-Feb-2008 00:22:31] <Gothi[c]> why not?
[15-Feb-2008 00:22:35] <purevol> i do that and get the same isse as you
[15-Feb-2008 00:22:48] <Gothi[c]> hehe
[15-Feb-2008 00:22:58] <Gothi[c]> i'll figure it out
[15-Feb-2008 00:23:30] <Gothi[c]> are you using the tarball or svn?
[15-Feb-2008 00:23:51] <purevol> what does that mean, start mysql
[15-Feb-2008 00:24:04] <purevol> i grabbed the tarball
[15-Feb-2008 00:24:22] <Gothi[c]> what do you mean what does it mean? :D
[15-Feb-2008 00:24:55] <purevol> precisely
[15-Feb-2008 00:25:04] <purevol> start it, great start it what
[15-Feb-2008 00:25:12] <Gothi[c]> mysql.
[15-Feb-2008 00:25:13] <Gothi[c]> :)
[15-Feb-2008 00:25:15] <Gothi[c]> the mysql server
[15-Feb-2008 00:25:17] <purevol> there are no instructions to create or modify a db
[15-Feb-2008 00:25:23] <purevol> so whats to start
[15-Feb-2008 00:25:32] <Gothi[c]> i guess they assume you know since it's a very common thing to do
[15-Feb-2008 00:25:39] <Gothi[c]> i can help you with that
[15-Feb-2008 00:25:47] <Gothi[c]> do you have the mysql server installed?
[15-Feb-2008 00:25:57] <purevol> yeah of course
[15-Feb-2008 00:26:13] <Gothi[c]> so, start it :) that's what they mean
[15-Feb-2008 00:26:28] <Gothi[c]> i think in fc that would be, as root: service mysql start
[15-Feb-2008 00:26:35] <Gothi[c]> or: service mysqld start
[15-Feb-2008 00:26:38] <purevol> ps -ef |grep mysql is proper
[15-Feb-2008 00:26:40] <purevol> yeah
[15-Feb-2008 00:27:04] <purevol> its been started
[15-Feb-2008 00:27:07] <Gothi[c]> ok
[15-Feb-2008 00:27:15] <purevol> but i mean, is that it
[15-Feb-2008 00:27:28] <Gothi[c]> let me read on, i didn't even get that far yet
[15-Feb-2008 00:28:09] <Gothi[c]> under "- Start MySQL (if it's not already started...)" yes, that's all they mean by that
[15-Feb-2008 00:28:38] <Gothi[c]> but i assume you'll have to create a mysql user for zenoss
[15-Feb-2008 00:28:45] <Gothi[c]> and a database and maybe import some .sql files
[15-Feb-2008 00:28:50] <purevol> instructions dont say
[15-Feb-2008 00:28:53] <Gothi[c]> maybe it's automatic, let me read on
[15-Feb-2008 00:28:54] <purevol> that would be my assumption too
[15-Feb-2008 00:29:10] <purevol> either way, the rpm is 32bit, so thats a problem
[15-Feb-2008 00:29:19] <purevol> oh yeah and its for fc6 and not fc8
[15-Feb-2008 00:29:35] <Gothi[c]> yep
[15-Feb-2008 00:29:46] <purevol> but now with the src tball, i get the same python error
[15-Feb-2008 00:30:09] <Gothi[c]> yeah, working on that :)
[15-Feb-2008 00:30:25] <purevol> im gonna try the subversion install
[15-Feb-2008 00:30:38] <Gothi[c]> i'm installing from svn, same issue there
[15-Feb-2008 00:31:51] <Gothi[c]> since we're both trying to do the same thing we can share our findings, and maybe at some point someone will drop in with a solution and tell us we're idiots :D
[15-Feb-2008 00:32:25] <purevol> werd
[15-Feb-2008 00:32:29] <Gothi[c]> aha
[15-Feb-2008 00:32:38] <Gothi[c]> well i'm not getting the error anymore
[15-Feb-2008 00:32:52] <Gothi[c]> and the install script does the mysql setup
[15-Feb-2008 00:33:05] <Gothi[c]> it asks you for the mysql root user/pass
[15-Feb-2008 00:33:23] <Gothi[c]> (if you don't have one and don't know how to create one, feel free to ask how)
[15-Feb-2008 00:33:28] <purevol> wel the INSTALL.txt says that the python-dev environment needs to be installed
[15-Feb-2008 00:33:39] <Gothi[c]> yes
[15-Feb-2008 00:33:53] <Gothi[c]> pastebin me what you get when you run ./install.sh
[15-Feb-2008 00:34:11] <purevol> mine is building now
[15-Feb-2008 00:34:12] <purevol> i will
[15-Feb-2008 00:34:24] <purevol> i did a yum update
[15-Feb-2008 00:34:29] <Gothi[c]> ah ok
[15-Feb-2008 00:34:32] <purevol> grabbed the svn
[15-Feb-2008 00:34:40] <purevol> and now building, no issue so far
[15-Feb-2008 00:35:06] <Gothi[c]> the -devel dependencies aren't really a problem for me since i'm on gentoo and everything is built from source anyway, so i pretty much have the -devel for about anything
[15-Feb-2008 00:36:35] <purevol> werd
[15-Feb-2008 00:36:51] <purevol> looks like the build might have hung
[15-Feb-2008 00:37:02] <Gothi[c]> what's the last message ?
[15-Feb-2008 00:37:33] <purevol> building: /opt/zenossinst/build/Python-2.4.4
[15-Feb-2008 00:37:37] <purevol> hah
[15-Feb-2008 00:38:15] <purevol> i would much rather be building from source on a debian fork, ie gentoo that some roothatz
[15-Feb-2008 00:38:26] <Gothi[c]> yeah it's building the bundeled python
[15-Feb-2008 00:38:32] <Gothi[c]> that may take a while
[15-Feb-2008 00:38:47] <Gothi[c]> check if it's actually doing anything, look at cpu usage in ps or top
[15-Feb-2008 00:39:37] <Gothi[c]> heh, i find it alot easier to install stuff on gentoo than anything else actually, since there's very little hassle involved with dependencies :)
[15-Feb-2008 00:40:17] <Gothi[c]> and portage lets you have and manage different versions of the same app or library without the universe collapsing
[15-Feb-2008 00:41:44] <purevol> looks like it worked
[15-Feb-2008 00:41:46] <purevol> Do not install as root: make /usr/local/zenoss writable for the zenoss user
[15-Feb-2008 00:42:18] <Gothi[c]> yeah make sure you're running install.sh as the zenoss user and not as root
[15-Feb-2008 00:43:26] <Gothi[c]> if you did run it as root first you may have to do a recursive chown on /usr/local/zenoss to fix permissions on any new files the install created when you ran it as root (so they can be overwritten when running as the zenoss user)
[15-Feb-2008 00:44:54] <Gothi[c]> ( chown zenoss:zenoss /usr/local/zenoss -R )
[15-Feb-2008 00:46:27] <purevol> gotta take ma to dinner, bbiaf
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[15-Feb-2008 02:34:44] <purevol> ahoy there
[15-Feb-2008 02:34:54] <Gothi[c]> wb
[15-Feb-2008 02:35:47] <purevol> so i guess, i did ./install.sh as root
[15-Feb-2008 02:35:50] <purevol> and it worked ok
[15-Feb-2008 02:36:05] <purevol> but i guess, thats the wrong way
[15-Feb-2008 02:36:16] <Gothi[c]> yeah
[15-Feb-2008 02:36:22] <purevol> so i chowned that shizzle, and tried to run it again, and i got the python error
[15-Feb-2008 02:36:50] <Gothi[c]> what error?
[15-Feb-2008 02:37:10] <Gothi[c]> oh yeah
[15-Feb-2008 02:37:15] <Gothi[c]> here's how i fixed that for me
[15-Feb-2008 02:37:41] <Gothi[c]> no wait
[15-Feb-2008 02:37:43] <Gothi[c]> that was something else
[15-Feb-2008 02:37:52] <Gothi[c]> what error did you get? :)
[15-Feb-2008 02:38:41] <purevol> well i uilt it as root, and then i chowned and tried to do the make as zenoss
[15-Feb-2008 02:39:22] <purevol> but then when i try to build as zenoss user i get the, must use python 2.4
[15-Feb-2008 02:39:30] <purevol> so thats probaly a path thing
[15-Feb-2008 02:39:37] <Gothi[c]> no
[15-Feb-2008 02:39:44] <Gothi[c]> you have to do a make clean as root first
[15-Feb-2008 02:39:58] <purevol> you think
[15-Feb-2008 02:39:59] <purevol> ok
[15-Feb-2008 02:40:00] <Gothi[c]> so, go back to root, and in the install folder, type: make clean
[15-Feb-2008 02:40:03] <Gothi[c]> yeah i'm sure
[15-Feb-2008 02:40:06] <Gothi[c]> i did the same thing :)
[15-Feb-2008 02:40:30] <purevol> so then after make clean, then i can su zenoss make?
[15-Feb-2008 02:40:34] <Gothi[c]> yep
[15-Feb-2008 02:40:38] <Gothi[c]> no
[15-Feb-2008 02:40:45] <Gothi[c]> su zenoss ./install.sh
[15-Feb-2008 02:40:45] <Gothi[c]> :)
[15-Feb-2008 02:40:48] <purevol> werd
[15-Feb-2008 02:41:19] <purevol> yeah i got the dumb python error
[15-Feb-2008 02:41:58] <Gothi[c]> you shouldn't get it after a make clean
[15-Feb-2008 02:42:01] <purevol> i think that is why you have to modify the .bash_profile
[15-Feb-2008 02:42:15] <Gothi[c]> just make sure you have the env variables set!
[15-Feb-2008 02:42:19] <Gothi[c]> yeah
[15-Feb-2008 02:42:31] <Gothi[c]> all those path exports get lost when you type exit or su
[15-Feb-2008 02:42:37] <Gothi[c]> don't forget that :)
[15-Feb-2008 02:42:54] <Gothi[c]> putting them in .bash_profile or .bashrc will keep them when you log in
[15-Feb-2008 02:43:03] <purevol> werd
[15-Feb-2008 02:43:55] <Gothi[c]> export sets environment variables for bash, so each time you log in as a different user (or use su) a new bash instance is started, so you start with a clean environment (default env vars)
[15-Feb-2008 02:44:32] <purevol> how do i determine my pythone path
[15-Feb-2008 02:44:40] <Gothi[c]> these env vars are grabbed from /etc/profile (the bash startup script for all users) or ~/.bashrc, ~/.profile, ~/.bash_profile for each user
[15-Feb-2008 02:45:25] <purevol> right
[15-Feb-2008 02:46:10] <Gothi[c]> env | grep PYTHONPATH
[15-Feb-2008 02:46:15] <purevol> i put everyting in /opt/zenossinst/ and it built to /usrl/local/zenoss
[15-Feb-2008 02:47:37] <purevol> i have a mess over here
[15-Feb-2008 02:50:09] <Gothi[c]> you can print the complete python path list (defaults + $PYTHONPATH etc) like so:
[15-Feb-2008 02:50:12] <Gothi[c]> echo -e import s
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