IRC August 2007

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[01-Aug-2007 04:46:09] <Darkfang> grrrrr
[01-Aug-2007 04:46:14] * Darkfang hates TALES expressions
[01-Aug-2007 04:47:12] <Darkfang> it seems they are bugged anyway
[01-Aug-2007 04:47:27] <Darkfang> well there's a bug in the parser
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[01-Aug-2007 04:53:54] <jonesy> hello, all. I'm trying to find time to evaluate zenoss, so I'll be lurking in here as a means of keeping it on my radar and in the front of my brain :)
[01-Aug-2007 04:55:57] <jonesy> if any developers are on here, I'm also potentially interested in helping out. I'm also really interested in knowing what module(s) zenoss uses to interface with the rrdtool database itself.
[01-Aug-2007 05:19:28] <Darkfang> jonesy, it seems to be rrdtool library in python :)
[01-Aug-2007 05:20:10] <jonesy> it just says "import rrdtool"?
[01-Aug-2007 05:20:16] <jonesy> interesting.
[01-Aug-2007 05:20:17] <Darkfang> yes :)
[01-Aug-2007 05:20:20] <jonesy> thank you.
[01-Aug-2007 05:20:44] <Darkfang> at least it's working, because i'm using it in my own script
[01-Aug-2007 05:21:01] <jonesy> I wonder why nobody has written a tool to natively read the rrd data without using the rrdtool utilities.
[01-Aug-2007 05:21:16] <Darkfang> because they work fine?
[01-Aug-2007 05:21:51] <jonesy> right, but so do shell tools to read various things - but you don't see bdb modules calling the sleepycat utilities, for example. It's just an extra layer to go through.
[01-Aug-2007 05:22:04] <Darkfang> isn't rrdtool library reading the file directly?
[01-Aug-2007 05:22:08] <jonesy> just curious, not fussing.
[01-Aug-2007 05:22:44] <jonesy> Darkfang: I don't actually know - I only discovered that all the perl and python modules for rrd I could find do basically the same exact thing.
[01-Aug-2007 05:23:00] <jonesy> oh wait - I misunderstood that question.
[01-Aug-2007 05:23:05] <jonesy> the answer to that is "no".
[01-Aug-2007 05:23:20] <Darkfang> ok ^^
[01-Aug-2007 05:23:23] <jonesy> it actually just seems to be calling the various rrdtool utilities, passing in args and stuff.
[01-Aug-2007 05:23:31] <jonesy> *that's* what seems odd to me.
[01-Aug-2007 05:23:46] <Darkfang> good point is it doesn't need to be updated
[01-Aug-2007 05:24:06] <Darkfang> you just have to update rrdtool executable
[01-Aug-2007 05:24:33] <jonesy> well, couldn't that cause a problem if the command line args to the rrdtool utilities change?
[01-Aug-2007 05:25:01] <Darkfang> you would have to change the args but the call to rrdtool should stay the same
[01-Aug-2007 05:25:02] <jonesy> and wouldn't that problem go away if you just read the rrd data file instead of going through the extra layer?
[01-Aug-2007 05:25:18] <jonesy> changing args, by definition, changes the call to rrdtool.
[01-Aug-2007 05:25:34] <Darkfang> args are parameters of rrdtool library
[01-Aug-2007 05:25:45] <jonesy> ok.
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[01-Aug-2007 05:26:35] <jonesy> I'm just wondering if this is an area worth looking into as far as development goes, or if the rrd data format is proprietary or something.
[01-Aug-2007 05:26:53] <jonesy> 'cos otherwise I'd expect this to have been done by now - by perl folks if not python.
[01-Aug-2007 05:27:21] <Darkfang> RRDtool is using GPL
[01-Aug-2007 05:27:33] <jonesy> oh yeah - so that should be doable. Hm.
[01-Aug-2007 05:28:00] <Darkfang> yep but I don't see what's the point except maybe a little better performances
[01-Aug-2007 05:28:37] <jonesy> better performance, and more future proof, because you don't rely on the functionality of the rrdtool utilities, which means you also don't care if those tools change.
[01-Aug-2007 05:28:50] <jonesy> and cleaner code :)
[01-Aug-2007 05:29:40] <Darkfang> you don't care if they changes but it means much more jobs to enjoy the upgrades :)
[01-Aug-2007 05:29:48] <Darkfang> and code is quite clean
[01-Aug-2007 05:30:01] <Darkfang> if you call rrdtool.graph(opts)
[01-Aug-2007 05:30:10] <jonesy> the code for the rrdtool module itself is not particularly nice.
[01-Aug-2007 05:30:18] <Darkfang> ^^
[01-Aug-2007 05:30:28] <Darkfang> didn't have time to have a look at it
[01-Aug-2007 05:30:38] <Darkfang> just spend some time to understand Holt-Winters detection
[01-Aug-2007 05:31:18] * jonesy googles
[01-Aug-2007 05:32:02] <jonesy> biab
[01-Aug-2007 05:41:39] <jonesy> actually, I thought rrdtool did mostly the old vertical-bar snapshot type presentation of the data, not moving averages. Also, Holt-Winters deals with manipulating the data, which assumes a knowledge of the format, which I don't have yet. I'll look more into this today. Thanks for your input.
[01-Aug-2007 06:05:23] <Darkfang> jonesy, i've added this to zenos and it's working great. This way i can have dynamic threshold based on average usign seasoning and so one :)
[01-Aug-2007 06:14:00] <kippi> is there away to stop the heartbeat clear alerts?
[01-Aug-2007 06:14:12] <Darkfang> map them to /Ignore ^^
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[01-Aug-2007 07:13:02] <Darkfang> how can you set the max number of ssh process at a time?
[01-Aug-2007 07:13:10] <Darkfang> in zenoss
[01-Aug-2007 07:19:17] <Darkfang> found it :)
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[01-Aug-2007 07:54:32] <jp10558> Anyone getting a ZenWinModeler heartbeat failure with 2.0.3?
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[01-Aug-2007 07:59:07] <jp10558> I'm unable to stop the zenwinmodeler daemon from the web interface also
[01-Aug-2007 07:59:08] <jp10558> :(
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[01-Aug-2007 08:05:16] <jp10558> Anyone still seeing the issue from this forum thread? : http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=9390#9390
[01-Aug-2007 08:05:16] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - Stopped Zenwin not shown in Zenoss Issues on Dashboard (at community.zenoss.com)
[01-Aug-2007 08:05:20] <jp10558> I seem to have just gotten it and cannot kill ZenWinModeler
[01-Aug-2007 08:07:09] <jp10558> is there a commandline way to restart just a particular zenoss daemon?
[01-Aug-2007 08:10:13] <Darkfang> hi cluther
[01-Aug-2007 08:10:45] <Darkfang> I think I've found a "bug" with TALES expressions
[01-Aug-2007 08:16:58] <jp10558> no way to force zenwinmodeler to restart short of rebooting the server?
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[01-Aug-2007 08:22:25] <Darkfang> cluther?
[01-Aug-2007 08:23:18] <jp10558> he doesn't seem to be here?
[01-Aug-2007 08:23:33] <Darkfang> i need him :'(
[01-Aug-2007 08:23:49] <Darkfang> i can't graph with this bug
[01-Aug-2007 08:25:09] <jp10558> That's all right, I seem to have lost Zenwinmodeler
[01-Aug-2007 08:25:25] <jp10558> and so far the only suggestion to restart it is to reboot the server (which isn't really feasable)
[01-Aug-2007 08:25:39] <Darkfang> oO
[01-Aug-2007 08:25:54] <Darkfang> restarting zenoss isn't working?
[01-Aug-2007 08:25:58] <jp10558> nope
[01-Aug-2007 08:26:05] <Darkfang> any logs?
[01-Aug-2007 08:26:08] <jp10558> it just says that zenwinmodeler is already running
[01-Aug-2007 08:26:32] <jp10558> see: http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=9390#9390
[01-Aug-2007 08:26:32] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - Stopped Zenwin not shown in Zenoss Issues on Dashboard (at community.zenoss.com)
[01-Aug-2007 08:26:32] <Darkfang> kill it?
[01-Aug-2007 08:26:33] <jp10558> How?
[01-Aug-2007 08:26:33] <Darkfang> what's your OS?
[01-Aug-2007 08:26:34] <jp10558> SL5 - RHEL5 derivitave
[01-Aug-2007 08:26:49] <Darkfang> ps -aux | grep -i zenwin
[01-Aug-2007 08:27:05] <Darkfang> you should see the process
[01-Aug-2007 08:27:18] <Darkfang> than just type : kill -9 the_process_id
[01-Aug-2007 08:27:23] <jp10558> mm
[01-Aug-2007 08:27:44] <jp10558> run as root I get: Warning: bad syntax, perhaps a bogu
[01-Aug-2007 08:28:03] <Darkfang> try ps -edf instead of aux
[01-Aug-2007 08:28:11] <jp10558> although I do see zenwinmodeler listed then ... ??
[01-Aug-2007 08:28:28] <Darkfang> c/p the result so i can tell you
[01-Aug-2007 08:28:38] <jp10558> root 24966 0.0 0.0 3880 728 pts/1 R+ 08:27 0:00 grep -i zenwin
[01-Aug-2007 08:28:38] <jp10558> zenoss 29463 0.0 2.4 50720 25324 ? Sl Jul27 0:16 /opt/zenoss/bin/python /opt/zenoss/Products/ZenWin/zenwinmodeler.py --configfile /opt/zenoss/etc/zenwinmodeler.conf --cycle --daemon
[01-Aug-2007 08:28:54] <Darkfang> ok so as root type: kill -9 29463
[01-Aug-2007 08:29:14] <Darkfang> and do a the previous command again so you can check it has been killed
[01-Aug-2007 08:29:26] <jp10558> looks like it
[01-Aug-2007 08:29:29] <Darkfang> ;)
[01-Aug-2007 08:29:44] <jp10558> shows as down in the web interface
[01-Aug-2007 08:29:48] <jp10558> now lets see if I can restart it
[01-Aug-2007 08:30:08] <jp10558> this is far better than rebooting the server (and I would have done it if I could have figured out the ps-etc....
[01-Aug-2007 08:30:53] <jp10558> perfect - issue fixed!
[01-Aug-2007 08:30:56] <jp10558> now to save this info
[01-Aug-2007 08:31:06] <Darkfang> but if you get a syntax error
[01-Aug-2007 08:31:08] <Darkfang> try ps -edf
[01-Aug-2007 08:31:12] <Darkfang> it should be better
[01-Aug-2007 08:31:17] <jp10558> ok
[01-Aug-2007 08:31:27] <Darkfang> it changes from one kernel to another
[01-Aug-2007 08:31:45] <Darkfang> but ther's always one o them working on linux, solaris, BSD, darwin :)
[01-Aug-2007 08:32:45] <jp10558> right
[01-Aug-2007 08:33:21] <jp10558> this is a pain... But I still got notices, and event based commands still fired... What does zenwinmodeler do anyway?
[01-Aug-2007 08:33:34] <jp10558> Just runs every 6 hrs right?
[01-Aug-2007 08:33:43] <jp10558> to see if there are new (something)?
[01-Aug-2007 08:33:51] <Darkfang> i don't know
[01-Aug-2007 08:34:00] <Darkfang> i only use darwin/linux servers
[01-Aug-2007 08:34:18] <Darkfang> but i guess it's like zenmodeler with snmp
[01-Aug-2007 08:34:44] <Darkfang> it may use windows whatever to get info about the system, hawardware, software...
[01-Aug-2007 08:34:48] <jp10558> ahh
[01-Aug-2007 08:35:01] <jp10558> There ought to be a way to have zenoss fix itself...lol
[01-Aug-2007 08:35:24] <jp10558> if it's running such that it knows a process has failed, it ought to try killing/restarting it. or there ought to be a way to add that in
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[01-Aug-2007 08:54:25] <Merciless> whats the easiest quickest, most supported and most used way of executing windows commands on a remote windows machine from a windows machine
[01-Aug-2007 08:54:25] <Merciless> :)
[01-Aug-2007 08:55:47] <jp10558> mm
[01-Aug-2007 08:55:55] <jp10558> probably psexec?
[01-Aug-2007 08:56:10] <jp10558> from the sysinternals tools
[01-Aug-2007 08:56:27] <Merciless> freeware
[01-Aug-2007 08:56:27] <Merciless> ?
[01-Aug-2007 08:56:34] <jp10558> yea
[01-Aug-2007 08:56:40] <jp10558> microsoft provides them
[01-Aug-2007 08:56:51] <Merciless> found it
[01-Aug-2007 08:57:05] <Merciless> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/utilities/psexec.mspx
[01-Aug-2007 08:57:05] <adytum-bot> Title: PsExec v1.84 (at www.microsoft.com)
[01-Aug-2007 08:57:05] <Merciless> thanks very much :)
[01-Aug-2007 08:57:36] <jp10558> sure
[01-Aug-2007 09:00:06] <Merciless> o0o0 it works
[01-Aug-2007 09:00:07] <Merciless> even better
[01-Aug-2007 09:00:07] <Merciless> lol
[01-Aug-2007 09:00:38] <Merciless> I'm coming up with a system that will allow Virtuozzo (like VMWare) to store the virtual machines on a SAN, but when we get an alert that the server running the VM on the SAN has gone down, I can remotely stop it
[01-Aug-2007 09:06:24] <cluther> Merciless: As you probably know, psexec only runs on Windows. Zenoss comes with winexe, which allows you to execute commands on remote Windows systems.
[01-Aug-2007 09:06:41] <Merciless> Yes indeed I know cluther but thanks :)
[01-Aug-2007 09:07:00] <Merciless> Going to test zenoss detecting the server is done, me doing it manually, and should all work. Once done I can implement the commands into zenoss
[01-Aug-2007 09:07:46] <cluther> gotcha
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[01-Aug-2007 09:17:07] <Merciless> although.. when you do a command based on an event, can you specify that command to take place on another server?
[01-Aug-2007 09:17:23] <Merciless> so if we have VM1 and VM2. When VM1 goes down i want to do vzctl start on VM2...
[01-Aug-2007 09:17:34] <Merciless> meh its not importnat actually.. ignore me ^-6
[01-Aug-2007 09:20:08] <jp10558> I expect you can, just don't use the variable for the event generating machine
[01-Aug-2007 09:21:15] <Merciless> i think i'll just develop an app to do the monitoring for that specific virtual machine external to zenoss
[01-Aug-2007 09:21:17] <Merciless> prob easier
[01-Aug-2007 09:42:26] <jp10558> well
[01-Aug-2007 09:42:34] <jp10558> Merciless: seems redundant to me
[01-Aug-2007 09:42:40] <jp10558> I think you could take an example command:
[01-Aug-2007 09:42:52] <jp10558> "${dev/zWinUser}%${dev/zWinPassword}" //${dev/manageIp} 'net start "OCS INVENTORY SERVICE"'
[01-Aug-2007 09:43:07] <jp10558> and change //${dev/manageIp}
[01-Aug-2007 09:43:21] <jp10558> to the IP or whatever of the machine you want it run on
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[01-Aug-2007 09:48:03] <jcims> hey folks, found a problem in the Ping package (used by zendisc for autodsicovery). this is in 2.0.3 on the rPath vmware appliance available from zenoss.com error is: sendto error Packet instance has no attribute 'assemble'
[01-Aug-2007 09:59:45] <Merciless> ah ye
[01-Aug-2007 10:10:21] <Darkfang> cluther?
[01-Aug-2007 10:12:47] <Darkfang> when I tried to use ${here/device/id} in a filesystem template i get that:
[01-Aug-2007 10:12:49] <Darkfang> Type: AttributeError
[01-Aug-2007 10:12:49] <Darkfang> Value: 'function' object has no attribute 'id'
[01-Aug-2007 10:13:14] <Darkfang> device is a method from the filesystem class that returns a Device object
[01-Aug-2007 10:13:51] <Darkfang> is there anyway it consideres ${here/device} as the object it will return instead of the function itself?
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[01-Aug-2007 10:33:22] <monrad> hmm it helps to split a mib file before loading it into zenoss
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[01-Aug-2007 10:55:59] <xTea> Hi all
[01-Aug-2007 11:00:35] <jp10558> hi xTea
[01-Aug-2007 11:02:26] <xTea> Does anyone have experience installing 2.0.3 on freebsd ?
[01-Aug-2007 11:04:24] <jp10558> Has anyone ever had the web interface in 2.0.3 suddenly stop responding for the ajaxy stuff?
[01-Aug-2007 11:04:44] <jp10558> just sit there in various places saying Loading...
[01-Aug-2007 11:05:00] <jp10558> or do a javascript popup that says it can't communicate with the server...?
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[01-Aug-2007 11:06:16] <jp10558> hmmm, I'm getting some log entries that the MySQL server has gone away?
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[01-Aug-2007 11:06:32] <jp10558> but my other web/MySQL apps on the same server are working fine
[01-Aug-2007 11:06:57] <jevex> Anyone have time to share some wisdom?
[01-Aug-2007 11:07:26] <xTea> jevex: never puts socks in a toaster ?
[01-Aug-2007 11:07:41] <jevex> Ahh, very wise!
[01-Aug-2007 11:08:03] <jevex> Actually I was hoping to get some help with Zenoss 2.03, but at least I know the trip here was worthwhile ;)
[01-Aug-2007 11:08:11] <xTea> jevex: I am here too seek answers too :)
[01-Aug-2007 11:08:44] <jp10558> Ask the question, there is a slim possibility someone can help
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[01-Aug-2007 11:09:50] <jevex> Alrighty, I originally set up a CentOS 4.4 box with the zenoss 1.12 rpm install on it. That worked, but I had process hang problems with zenmodeler and zenprocess. They'd just stop responding after X time and would have to be kill -KILL'ed.
[01-Aug-2007 11:10:32] <jevex> So, I upgraded to 2.03 and had to wipe everything out because the migration went bad. No big deal, but I still have process hand problems, but now it's with zenprocess and zenperfsnmp.
[01-Aug-2007 11:11:09] <jevex> There's no specific reason for the hangs that I can see. Even running them in the foreground with --cycle will let them run randomly from 5 minutes to an hour and a half, but they always seem to crash.
[01-Aug-2007 11:11:53] <jp10558> Mmm. No real idea. I set up using the deps on a clean install of SL4.5 (which is a derivative of EL4.5 so should be similar ot CENTOS)
[01-Aug-2007 11:11:57] <jp10558> and it just worked
[01-Aug-2007 11:11:58] <jevex> I put in a restart script to restart or forcibly blow them away every 15 minutes... but it turns out that zenprocess tends to orphan events and won't clear process down alarms when it gets killed.
[01-Aug-2007 11:12:23] <jp10558> I'm having more problems with an EL5 derivative, though it might be becasue I'm running other services on the machine
[01-Aug-2007 11:13:24] <jevex> Yeah, well, I even went so far as to create a standalone python 2.4 just to be sure it wasn't a bug underneath zenoss. Doing a strace against the processes at the time of the hang shows - consistently - either that they simply wait in a recfrm or waitpid call.
[01-Aug-2007 11:13:39] <jp10558> mmm
[01-Aug-2007 11:13:54] <jp10558> Maybe a post to the developers list or a bug report, but I can't really help
[01-Aug-2007 11:14:10] <jevex> Bummer. I was hoping for some instant gratification :)
[01-Aug-2007 11:15:11] <jevex> So, you've got it running on SL4.5? That's scientific linux?
[01-Aug-2007 11:16:18] <jevex> I'm not opposed to migrating to a new OS if that's what it takes, as long as I don't have to redo all the work I've already done (a couple times).
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[01-Aug-2007 11:21:42] <jp10558> Yea, that worked well if I used their version of MySQL, and didn't try and do anyhting else
[01-Aug-2007 11:21:53] <jp10558> so far, EL5 with other MySQL clients has been a real pain
[01-Aug-2007 11:22:16] <jp10558> it just took a dump on me where it can't find the MySQL server... and so I can't get half of the processes running
[01-Aug-2007 11:22:31] <jevex> hmmm, I just need a stable base platform. Any suggestions on the least painful one?
[01-Aug-2007 11:22:40] <jevex> oi...
[01-Aug-2007 11:22:55] <jp10558> Well, of the ones I've used, I had good luck with SL4.5 + Zenoss 2.0.3 in testing
[01-Aug-2007 11:23:02] <jp10558> but it has to be standalone
[01-Aug-2007 11:23:10] <jp10558> I'm having less luck with a multi use server
[01-Aug-2007 11:23:14] <jevex> standalone meaning what?
[01-Aug-2007 11:23:21] <jp10558> Basically all it does is Zenoss
[01-Aug-2007 11:23:32] <jevex> oh, just have that running. That's not a biggie for me. That's what the current one does.
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[01-Aug-2007 11:48:33] <jevex> well, just did the yum update to put me at CentOS 4.5. Hopefully that resolves some problems.
[01-Aug-2007 11:48:58] <jp10558> maybe - the other thing that has helped is reinstalling Zenoss
[01-Aug-2007 11:49:09] <jevex> ugh. Not real interested in that.
[01-Aug-2007 11:49:30] <jp10558> I'm learning to treat Zenoss like a windows program. Weird stuff right off? reinstall. Weird stuff later? reboot the server
[01-Aug-2007 11:49:33] <jevex> So when you say your install can't find mysql, what do you mean?
[01-Aug-2007 11:49:37] <jevex> hehe
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[01-Aug-2007 11:55:01] <jp10558> no idea, many of the processes stopped with log entries about mysql going away
[01-Aug-2007 11:55:06] <jp10558> we rebooted the server, now it's working
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[01-Aug-2007 12:15:29] <jcims> zenoss 2.0.3 appears to have been developed with a different icmp module than comes with python 2.4
[01-Aug-2007 12:15:44] <jcims> or at least the one that comes with the rPath distro that was included with the vmware image...
[01-Aug-2007 12:16:17] <jcims> i posted a horrible diff to the forum to get auto detection working (sort of), but there are more fixes required. does anyone know where that module comes from (pyip maybe?)
[01-Aug-2007 12:22:23] <jevex> yikes... But I know what you're talking about. Network discovery doesn't work at all for me, but zenping appears to be fine.
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[01-Aug-2007 12:25:41] <jcims> i noticed that zenping works too, i'm not sure why
[01-Aug-2007 12:26:05] <jcims> it looks like that module comes with pyip
[01-Aug-2007 12:26:56] <jcims> it's pretty clear it was a different version though...the code isn't correct at all
[01-Aug-2007 12:27:19] <jcims> or i should say the problems with the code are using a different interface
[01-Aug-2007 12:39:53] <jevex> don't know what to tell you. I don't really have a use for auto-discovery, so I haven't looked into it too much.
[01-Aug-2007 12:40:28] <jevex> Turns out my problem with zenprocess hanging was not fixed by updating the OS. I'm now suspecting it's a problem with the data being sent by a specific device.
[01-Aug-2007 12:41:01] <jevex> The process is hanging on the recvfrom system call, so I think it's getting an incomplete UDP packet.
[01-Aug-2007 12:41:19] <jevex> Feh.
[01-Aug-2007 12:42:00] <jcims> udp as in snmp or something else?
[01-Aug-2007 12:42:33] <jevex> snmp. It's zenprocess, so it's querying the process tables via snmp.
[01-Aug-2007 12:42:41] <jcims> btw do the zenoss folks monitor the forum? seems like there are a few days of questions re: discovery and no response
[01-Aug-2007 12:42:45] <jevex> I must have a bad mojo piece of equipment somewhere.
[01-Aug-2007 12:43:02] <jp10558> Anyone trying out the OS Process monitoring?
[01-Aug-2007 12:43:22] <jp10558> I'm not getting a change in my display if a process is running or not, but I do get the event if it's down
[01-Aug-2007 12:43:58] <jevex> if you "lock" the OS processes, it doesn't change the status in the OS display, but it does give an event change.
[01-Aug-2007 12:44:17] <jp10558> Hmm, what if I just "added" the process?
[01-Aug-2007 12:44:25] <jp10558> I haven't done anything to lock them anyway
[01-Aug-2007 12:45:03] <jevex> hrm, don't know what to tell you then. I haven't gotten that behavior any other way.
[01-Aug-2007 12:45:57] <jp10558> Ok.
[01-Aug-2007 12:46:17] <jp10558> Mmm, I hope RPC_S_CALL_FAILED: The remote procedure call failed. (1726) message regarding a monitored system isn't zenwinmodeler dying again
[01-Aug-2007 12:47:04] <jevex> never seen that one, but I'm not doing any windows/wmi stuff yet.
[01-Aug-2007 12:47:35] <jp10558> WMI works well... until it doesn't ... Like lots of Microsoft stuff
[01-Aug-2007 12:47:48] <jevex> hehehe
[01-Aug-2007 12:48:06] <jevex> any way to pull a list of machines that have been configured in zenoss out at the command line?
[01-Aug-2007 12:48:28] <jevex> I need to run a zenprocess collection loop against them one at a time to see if I can isolate my problems.
[01-Aug-2007 12:48:39] <jp10558> Ok, I've got it working... apparently if I set the fail severity too low, it won't change the icon for the process
[01-Aug-2007 12:48:54] <jevex> ahhh, good to know
[01-Aug-2007 12:49:39] <jp10558> I had it set for info... didn't change, set it to error, changes
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[01-Aug-2007 13:56:52] <jevex> bad mojo for me. My zenprocess crash just happened on one of my solaris x64 hosts. That's a real problem for me since I've got like 70 of them.
[01-Aug-2007 14:04:57] <moath> is there a way to add an ip service to a group of machines (command line or gui)
[01-Aug-2007 14:07:57] <jevex> group templates don't seem to exist in any fashion that I've found. You'll probably have to create something custom and apply the template to individual machines...
[01-Aug-2007 14:14:45] <moath> it must be quite a PS engagement to get a large nubmer of services set up on a lot of hosts
[01-Aug-2007 14:14:45] <jp10558> ?
[01-Aug-2007 14:14:52] <moath> there's got to be some mojo
[01-Aug-2007 14:14:54] <jp10558> I would guess you could just
[01-Aug-2007 14:15:09] <jp10558> create a delination, and move the machines to it
[01-Aug-2007 14:15:09] <cluther_> moath: There's definitely some mojo.
[01-Aug-2007 14:15:46] <jp10558> I'm seeing a lot of dying of ZenWinModeler today
[01-Aug-2007 14:15:57] <jp10558> maybe related to playing with process monitoring on windows machines?
[01-Aug-2007 14:27:20] <cluther_> jp10558: I wouldn't think so. Those two operations are completely independent of one another.
[01-Aug-2007 14:46:16] <jp10558> hmmm
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[01-Aug-2007 15:12:05] <jp10558> is there a way to get Zenoss to auto restart ZenWinModeler if it hangs/has a heartbeat failure?
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[01-Aug-2007 16:27:52] <VoicePulse> Question -- can Zenoss trigger an alert if the inbound traffic on eth0 suddenly drops from 5mbps to 2mbps?
[01-Aug-2007 16:48:36] <jevex> create a new template for the interface monitoring and try adding a Threshold to it. That might work.
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[01-Aug-2007 17:28:24] <VoicePulse> Thanks, I'll look into that
[01-Aug-2007 17:41:42] <VoicePulse> Actually, I should rephrase that -- can Zenoss trigger an alert if the inbound traffic on eth0 suddenly changes by more than X mbps?
[01-Aug-2007 17:41:55] <creiht> VoicePulse: Yes
[01-Aug-2007 17:42:00] <creiht> You can set a threshold
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[01-Aug-2007 17:44:42] <VoicePulse> I see a max/min, but no obvious way of setting a delta threshold... I want to be able to send an alert if the traffic goes from 1mbps to 5mbps or from 50 mbps to 45mbps (assuming the threshold is +/- 5mbps.
[01-Aug-2007 17:47:15] <creiht> hrmm... I haven't done that enough to help you with that
[01-Aug-2007 17:47:25] <creiht> You might check the disk threshold to give you an idea
[01-Aug-2007 17:47:32] <VoicePulse> ok, thanks
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[01-Aug-2007 19:11:44] <KernelPanik> who's done a zenoss 1.0 to 2.0 upgrade? need feedback how it went? thanks
[01-Aug-2007 19:19:45] <KernelPanik> not all at once now :)
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[01-Aug-2007 21:26:06] <lara375> Any one tell me how add the DnsMonitor tool in the zenoss
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[01-Aug-2007 21:39:04] <Bulwinkle> lara375: give me a couple of minutes okay?
[01-Aug-2007 21:39:27] <lara375> Bulwinkle:Ok and Thanks for your reply
[01-Aug-2007 21:40:23] <Bulwinkle> lara375: you're just trying to install the Zenpack?
[01-Aug-2007 21:40:43] <lara375> I have installed zenoss
[01-Aug-2007 21:41:05] <lara375> I don't know how to install the zenpache http and dns
[01-Aug-2007 21:41:10] <lara375> Please help me
[01-Aug-2007 21:43:28] <Bulwinkle> lara375: do you have them downloaded?
[01-Aug-2007 21:43:38] <lara375> Yes
[01-Aug-2007 21:43:48] <lara375> I have downloaded those package
[01-Aug-2007 21:44:30] <Bulwinkle> lara375: untar them to a directory and do a $ZENHOME/bin/zenpack --install:(ZENPACK) understand?
[01-Aug-2007 21:45:08] <lara375> I will check and get back to you with in 2 minutest
[01-Aug-2007 21:45:18] <Bulwinkle> I might still be here
[01-Aug-2007 21:47:48] <lara375> i tried and i received this error /bin/zenfunctions: No such file or directory
[01-Aug-2007 21:47:48] <lara375> ./zenpack: line 14: /Products/ZenUtils/zenpack.py: No such file or directory
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[01-Aug-2007 21:56:06] <lara375> Bulwinkle: Are you busy ?
[01-Aug-2007 21:56:42] <lara375> Bulwinkle:I need your help
[01-Aug-2007 21:56:58] <Bulwinkle> lara375: you need help, it doesn't have to be mine
[01-Aug-2007 21:57:52] <lara375> Bulwinkle:Please help me
[01-Aug-2007 21:58:09] <Bulwinkle> I don't know what the problem is
[01-Aug-2007 21:59:08] <lara375> I installed zenoos, How to install zenpack ? can i just copy that folder in the patch
[01-Aug-2007 22:00:20] <Bulwinkle> lara375: no you have to use $ZENHOME/bin/zenpack
[01-Aug-2007 22:00:32] <lara375> ok
[01-Aug-2007 22:01:16] <lara375> But it through the error like this line 13: /bin/zenfunctions: No such file or directory
[01-Aug-2007 22:02:14] <Bulwinkle> what command did you use?
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[01-Aug-2007 22:04:26] <lara375> i tried this one ./zenpack --install
[01-Aug-2007 22:04:48] <Bulwinkle> lara375: you have to specify the directory of the ZenPack you want to install
[01-Aug-2007 22:05:08] <Bulwinkle> ./zenpack --install=(DIRECTORY OF ZENPACK)
[01-Aug-2007 22:05:14] <Bulwinkle> understand?
[01-Aug-2007 22:05:49] <lara375> ok Thanks
[01-Aug-2007 22:19:43] <Bulwinkle> lara375: did you get it
[01-Aug-2007 22:26:47] <weez> http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=8971
[01-Aug-2007 22:26:47] <adytum-bot> Title: Forums :: View topic - AttributeError: Unreachable instance has no attribute 'data' (at community.zenoss.com)
[01-Aug-2007 22:26:48] <weez> anyone else hit that after upgrading from 2.0 to 2.3?
[01-Aug-2007 22:27:19] <lara375> Bulwinkle: I tried but i am receiving same error
[01-Aug-2007 22:27:40] <lara375> Bulwinkle: I am trying to fix
[01-Aug-2007 22:27:51] <weez> it seems harmless enough, so I am going to forge ahead, and not revert to 2.0
[01-Aug-2007 22:28:45] <Bulwinkle> weez: went smooth for me, I did have to delete my cache files though
[01-Aug-2007 22:29:30] <weez> hmm
[01-Aug-2007 22:29:48] <weez> bulwinkle: what prompted you to delete your cache files?
[01-Aug-2007 22:31:54] <Bulwinkle> weez: couldn't start the zenwinmonitor process if I remember correctly
[01-Aug-2007 22:32:37] <weez> bulwinkle: i think mine started up all hunky dory, let me double check that though..
[01-Aug-2007 22:34:06] <weez> Bulwinkle, just double checked, and my zenwinmodelor started up fine
[01-Aug-2007 22:35:06] <weez> Bulwinkle, which i guess i would have noticed if it was off on the daemon status page..
[01-Aug-2007 22:40:07] <Bulwinkle> yeah
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[02-Aug-2007 05:56:25] <xTea> Hi all
[02-Aug-2007 05:57:33] <xTea> Got the 2.0.3 vmware image running, and after adding a single host i get stack traces when trying to visit Devices, any ideas ?
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[02-Aug-2007 06:11:09] <xTea> A copy of the stack trace is available at : http://rafb.net/p/Z72giY49.nln.html
[02-Aug-2007 06:11:09] <adytum-bot> Title: Nopaste - zenoss 2.0.3 failure (at rafb.net)
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[02-Aug-2007 08:57:00] <xTea> Using 2.0.3 - does anyone have an example of how to monitor the output of a script over ssh ?
[02-Aug-2007 09:02:07] <xTea> What version is currently considered production ready ?
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[02-Aug-2007 10:06:59] <xTea> This is a very quite chat room :)
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[02-Aug-2007 10:08:25] <Bulwinkle> good morning cluther, how are things?
[02-Aug-2007 10:10:30] <cluther> Good.. the next training is scheduled for August 21-22.
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[02-Aug-2007 10:14:06] <Merciless> bet its not in the UK
[02-Aug-2007 10:15:22] <xTea> bet its not in South Africa :)
[02-Aug-2007 10:16:00] <Merciless> lol
[02-Aug-2007 10:20:36] <Bulwinkle> cluther: $4000 per session right?
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[02-Aug-2007 10:24:19] <xTea> I must be an idiot ! Anyone here have experience getting zenoss 2.0.3 to run a script over ssh ? urls really welcome
[02-Aug-2007 10:25:04] <kompressor> lo all
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[02-Aug-2007 10:28:50] <kompressor> xTea, I usually find the forums very useful especially for zenoss ssh discovery community.zenoss.com/forums
[02-Aug-2007 10:29:12] <xTea> kompressor: thanks I will troll them again :)
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[02-Aug-2007 11:09:04] <xTea> Hmm docs refer to /Server/Linux/Remote, but 2.0.3 has /Server/Cmd and /Server/Remote - which device class should be selected to enable ssh discovery ?
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[02-Aug-2007 12:01:20] * DaveToo waits patiently for 2.0.4 :)
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[02-Aug-2007 12:06:09] <DaveToo> Hi cluther
[02-Aug-2007 12:07:21] <DaveToo> Remember the trick/hack you posted to create/run multiple performance monitor instances on the same server?
[02-Aug-2007 12:08:44] <DaveToo> hmm
[02-Aug-2007 12:08:45] <DaveToo> brb
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[02-Aug-2007 14:19:12] <andrew_p> hi
[02-Aug-2007 14:21:14] <andrew_p> seems there are event classes is zenoss who enforce a fixed severity value (or a limited set of severity values) that can be set for events belonging to that event class
[02-Aug-2007 14:21:44] <andrew_p> i.e. no matter what severity i pass to xmlrpc call when creating an event of /App/Failed class, severity i get is 2
[02-Aug-2007 14:21:53] <andrew_p> i wonder if this is a bug or feature :)
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[02-Aug-2007 14:32:13] <Bulwinkle> does anyone know of any scripts that will parse the Nagios configuration files and import their objects in to ZenOSS?
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[02-Aug-2007 19:39:06] <davetoo> Feh. How do I "import" my old RRDTemplates into a 2.x install?
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[02-Aug-2007 22:50:26] <notgod> hello.
[02-Aug-2007 22:52:47] <notgod> hmm, so what are the advantages of using zenoss over, say, nagios? I personally dislike Nagios, but I haven't found a better solution yet. Specifically, I need to monitor web applications end-to-end, and break them up into transactions. e.g. login->home page -> other page, with cookies managing the login, etc. Can Zenoss do that kind of performance graphing?
[02-Aug-2007 22:54:45] <solarce> well
[02-Aug-2007 22:54:50] <solarce> yes and no
[02-Aug-2007 22:55:03] <solarce> to continue, please deposit $0.25
[02-Aug-2007 22:56:13] <notgod> haha
[02-Aug-2007 22:56:42] <notgod> I can't find the quarter slot in my laptop :(
[02-Aug-2007 22:57:15] <solarce> it's next to the cup holder
[02-Aug-2007 22:57:32] <notgod> my laptop doesn't have a cup holder. It's a front-loading CD. :(
[02-Aug-2007 22:57:42] <notgod> nothing ever works for me!!!!
[02-Aug-2007 22:57:43] <solarce> doh
[02-Aug-2007 22:57:49] <solarce> my jokes didn't account for mac users
[02-Aug-2007 22:57:56] <notgod> ;)
[02-Aug-2007 22:58:23] <notgod> I am excited about playing with zenoss.
[02-Aug-2007 22:58:32] <notgod> it has reasonable alerting, no?
[02-Aug-2007 22:58:34] <solarce> that was your first mistake
[02-Aug-2007 22:58:39] <solarce> you should be fearful
[02-Aug-2007 22:59:05] <notgod> haha. oh, I approach this stuff with trepidation, but not fear.
[02-Aug-2007 22:59:07] <solarce> brb
[02-Aug-2007 23:00:37] <notgod> ugh, install is taking forever. building rrdtool. wish it woudl use the system rrdtool
[02-Aug-2007 23:01:02] <notgod> oh, dear lord, it uses nagios plugins?!
[02-Aug-2007 23:01:12] <notgod> ok, now I feel straight-up fear.
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[02-Aug-2007 23:09:55] <notgod> at least it installed successfully. :)
[02-Aug-2007 23:10:30] <notgod> oh, hmm, dunno if this is a bug, but I just hit "enter" on the admin password, then put a real password as the "confirmation" and it went through. :)
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[03-Aug-2007 02:13:37] <notgod> ok... so I have zenoss running. I am trying to monitor a remote server... and I added a port 80 monitor,a nd it was in error, then added a port 443 monitor, and now none of the monitors show up any more.
[03-Aug-2007 02:16:00] <notgod> plus, it's complaining that it can't talk SNMP to the server, and I don't want it to :)
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[03-Aug-2007 06:04:40] <F350> hello, does Zenoss remodel every device in the device list ?
[03-Aug-2007 06:05:35] <F350> in order to take into account new interfaces on switches and routers
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[03-Aug-2007 11:46:35] <Austin_> hi, is there anybody out there?
[03-Aug-2007 11:46:59] <Austin_> I am having a problem with zenoss and I wouild like to know if somebody else had that issue
[03-Aug-2007 11:47:57] <Merciless> Well all have it.
[03-Aug-2007 11:48:50] <Austin_> hahahaha, the problem is that when I try to retrive an snmp value from an OID that returns a string
[03-Aug-2007 11:48:51] <rabbit7_> anybody there ?
[03-Aug-2007 11:49:04] <Austin_> I cannot make a max threshold, because no matter what I put in it
[03-Aug-2007 11:49:13] <Austin_> is always execeed
[03-Aug-2007 11:49:50] <Austin_> Did anybody had that problem?
[03-Aug-2007 11:53:38] <rabbit7_> never heard of it
[03-Aug-2007 11:54:03] <rabbit7_> i am having trouble monitoring ports on a device
[03-Aug-2007 11:54:29] <rabbit7_> portscan seems to see the open ports. but they dont show up on the device
[03-Aug-2007 11:54:32] <rabbit7_> rather frustrating
[03-Aug-2007 11:54:59] <rabbit7_> ./zenmodeler run -v 10 --collect=portscan -d hostname
[03-Aug-2007 11:55:02] <rabbit7_> found the open ports
[03-Aug-2007 11:57:51] <Austin_> is really strange, because in the 1.1.2 was working fine, but here I received funny emails like "MysqlReplicationStatus threshold of 2 exceeded: current value 1.00"
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[03-Aug-2007 12:04:27] <rabbit7_> how do you match a string against a number ?
[03-Aug-2007 12:05:03] <Austin_> probably in the previos version, it convert it into an integer, because the value is always a number
[03-Aug-2007 12:05:09] <Austin_> but in string type
[03-Aug-2007 12:05:28] <Austin_> the strange thing, is that the graphic is been correctly display
[03-Aug-2007 12:05:35] <Austin_> but the threshold is broken
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[03-Aug-2007 13:39:11] <progma> davetoo: is there anything in particular you're anticipating about 2.0.4? just curious
[03-Aug-2007 13:41:12] <davetoo> Stability
[03-Aug-2007 13:41:15] <davetoo> :)
[03-Aug-2007 13:41:25] <davetoo> Just seeing a lot of problems reported for 2.0.3
[03-Aug-2007 13:41:44] <davetoo> oh, zenpack improvements, particularly documentation.
[03-Aug-2007 13:41:58] <progma> mm i've been seeing that and feel lucky for installing 2.0.2
[03-Aug-2007 13:42:13] <davetoo> The old template import/export is gone, but the new way is not ready for prime time.
[03-Aug-2007 13:43:55] <progma> is there a wiki or forum where people have been uploading zenpacks
[03-Aug-2007 13:43:57] <Austin_> hi, is there anybody out there?
[03-Aug-2007 13:43:57] <Austin_> I am having a problem with zenoss and I wouild like to know if somebody else had that issue, the problem is that when I try to retrive an snmp value from an OID that returns a string I cannot make a max threshold, because no matter what I put in it is always execeed. Did anybody had that problem?
[03-Aug-2007 13:43:57] <Austin_> Is really strange, because in the 1.1.2 was working fine, but here I received funny emails like "MysqlReplicationStatus threshold of 2 exceeded: current value 1.00"
[03-Aug-2007 13:44:46] <davetoo> progma: I think one is in the works; there is some kind of DNS-related zenpack
[03-Aug-2007 13:49:22] <davetoo> What do you mean "returns a string"?
[03-Aug-2007 13:52:33] <davetoo> I'm running a 2.0.0 test server and it's working fine with the following type of output from a net-snmp "exec" script on a (dns) server:
[03-Aug-2007 13:52:41] <davetoo> UCD-SNMP-MIB::extTable.53.101.1 = STRING: "78426269"
[03-Aug-2007 13:52:41] <davetoo> UCD-SNMP-MIB::extTable.53.101.2 = STRING: "8520"
[03-Aug-2007 13:53:07] <davetoo> The datasource-datapoint is configured as a COUNTER
[03-Aug-2007 13:55:17] <Austin_> ohhhh, maybe thatÃ����´s it, I configure it as gauge
[03-Aug-2007 13:55:29] <Austin_> when I run this comand snmpwalk -c public -v1 test.test 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.9933.101.13
[03-Aug-2007 13:55:37] <Austin_> and get this UCD-SNMP-MIB::ucdavis.9933.101.13 = STRING: "25613"
[03-Aug-2007 13:55:41] <Austin_> I had the problem
[03-Aug-2007 14:03:38] <Austin_> man, that was it, fuck I feel so dumb...Altought I do not understand why that happend, if is a bug, or if gauge is not meant to do what I tried
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[03-Aug-2007 14:04:19] <Austin_> but it worked, when I was searching for this, I found people that had the same issue, maybe it should be added to some common issues page
[03-Aug-2007 14:04:54] <davetoo> I'm not sure I understand the difference between gauge and absolute
[03-Aug-2007 14:06:50] <Austin_> from what I read from the manual me neither
[03-Aug-2007 14:07:05] <Austin_> but with gauge is not working, that is for sure, at least in my computer
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[03-Aug-2007 14:21:05] <lyattal> good afternoon....
[03-Aug-2007 14:21:24] <lyattal> can someone help me out with a template setup?
[03-Aug-2007 14:21:54] <lyattal> I loaded the mibs i want... but i want to setup a template for downstream poer
[03-Aug-2007 14:24:05] <lyattal> I have the graph drawn but the value should be -5.2 but im seeing -52
[03-Aug-2007 14:29:20] <lyattal> nothing???
[03-Aug-2007 14:33:07] <lyattal> ok got it....
[03-Aug-2007 14:36:35] <lyattal> I see what I was doign wrong....
[03-Aug-2007 14:36:54] <lyattal> igueess i needed to write down what I was doing... who knows.
[03-Aug-2007 14:36:59] <lyattal> thanks anyway.. :D
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[04-Aug-2007 12:48:36] <davetoo> hmm
[04-Aug-2007 12:48:51] <davetoo> so version 2 zenperfsnmp logging is too verbose
[04-Aug-2007 12:48:57] <davetoo> IMO
[04-Aug-2007 16:15:15] <monrad> nice new rrdtools beta release
[04-Aug-2007 16:15:30] <monrad> i look forward to the performance improvements
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[05-Aug-2007 14:50:44] <rabbit7_> hey there anybody online ?
[05-Aug-2007 14:50:58] <nassy> hi
[05-Aug-2007 15:02:47] <rabbit7_> i have a problem with the performance monitor
[05-Aug-2007 15:03:15] <rabbit7_> there are no entries between 3 and 6 o clock
[05-Aug-2007 15:03:19] <rabbit7_> really strange
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[06-Aug-2007 00:30:01] <Snake-eyes> any one know how snmpd queries the size of partitions?
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[06-Aug-2007 01:31:18] <Darkfang> hi
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[06-Aug-2007 02:39:48] <iscream> good morning
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[06-Aug-2007 04:01:50] <iscream> anybody here?:D
[06-Aug-2007 04:03:06] <Merciless> me
[06-Aug-2007 04:03:06] <Merciless> :)
[06-Aug-2007 04:07:05] <Darkfang> yep
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[06-Aug-2007 04:08:35] <iscream> can i have a question...?:D
[06-Aug-2007 04:08:47] <iscream> with "custom" datasources
[06-Aug-2007 04:08:50] <Darkfang> you want a question or an answer? :p
[06-Aug-2007 04:09:02] <Darkfang> I can ask you plenty of questions :p
[06-Aug-2007 04:09:07] <iscream> :)
[06-Aug-2007 04:09:16] <iscream> maybe answer?:D
[06-Aug-2007 04:09:24] <Darkfang> try ;)
[06-Aug-2007 04:09:37] <iscream> okay
[06-Aug-2007 04:09:37] <iscream> so
[06-Aug-2007 04:09:44] <iscream> title: printer monitoring:D
[06-Aug-2007 04:10:09] <iscream> i tried some oids, to monitor the printer on the linux box with snmpwalk
[06-Aug-2007 04:10:15] <iscream> it showed me some results
[06-Aug-2007 04:10:41] <iscream> after that i added the printer/ink class the "toner" template
[06-Aug-2007 04:11:38] <iscream> within i added the datasource with the right oid, that i wrote above
[06-Aug-2007 04:11:46] <iscream> after that i added datapoint
[06-Aug-2007 04:12:15] <iscream> i added threshold, choose the "custom" datasource and typed in the max value, to try out
[06-Aug-2007 04:12:44] <iscream> no warning occoured...the result of the oid is "integer =4350" i wrote in max 4000
[06-Aug-2007 04:12:47] <iscream> no waring
[06-Aug-2007 04:12:51] <iscream> and no graph either:S
[06-Aug-2007 04:12:57] <iscream> what could be wrong?
[06-Aug-2007 04:12:59] <Darkfang> have you bind the template to the device?
[06-Aug-2007 04:13:35] <iscream> yep, after that appearead, tha grpah name tha 2 direction and the zoom function, but still no graph and threshold warning
[06-Aug-2007 04:14:02] <Darkfang> have you looked at the rrd file?
[06-Aug-2007 04:14:07] <iscream> not yet
[06-Aug-2007 04:14:11] <iscream> where can i do that?
[06-Aug-2007 04:14:17] <Darkfang> are you using linux?
[06-Aug-2007 04:14:30] <iscream> zenoss vmware applicant, but yes
[06-Aug-2007 04:15:03] <Darkfang> $ZEN_HOME/bin/rrdtool dump $ZEN_HOME/perf/Devices/your_device_name/your_template_name.rrd | grep -v NaN
[06-Aug-2007 04:16:14] <rabbit7_> hey there i have a problem with my zenoss
[06-Aug-2007 04:16:33] <rabbit7_> it doesnt seem to graph performance between 2 o clock and 12 o clock
[06-Aug-2007 04:16:47] <Darkfang> you mean you have no values?
[06-Aug-2007 04:17:41] <rabbit7_> yeah, nothing not even an entry in zenperfsnmp.log
[06-Aug-2007 04:17:55] <iscream> ehh
[06-Aug-2007 04:17:58] <iscream> Darkfang: -bash: /bin/rddtool: No such file or directory
[06-Aug-2007 04:17:59] <iscream> :P
[06-Aug-2007 04:18:13] <rabbit7_> it looks like there is some kind of scheduling keeping it from getting information
[06-Aug-2007 04:18:25] <rabbit7_> havent found any information about scheduling though
[06-Aug-2007 04:18:30] <Darkfang> it's $ZENHOME not $ZEN_HOME
[06-Aug-2007 04:18:38] <iscream> i tried that too
[06-Aug-2007 04:18:53] <iscream> -bash: /home/zenoss/bin/rddtool: No such file or directory
[06-Aug-2007 04:19:04] <iscream> after i typed in : $ZENHOME/bin/rddtool dump $ZENHOME/perf/devices/NPI0957E0/BlackAvaible.BlackAvaible.rdd | grep -v NaN
[06-Aug-2007 04:19:20] <Darkfang> oO
[06-Aug-2007 04:19:28] <Darkfang> I have one
[06-Aug-2007 04:19:43] <Darkfang> list the files from /home/zenoss/bin directory
[06-Aug-2007 04:19:43] <iscream> no rddtool in bin directory
[06-Aug-2007 04:19:48] <Darkfang> there has to be something
[06-Aug-2007 04:19:54] <iscream> fsrecover zenchkschema zenfunctions zenpack zenstep
[06-Aug-2007 04:19:54] <iscream> initfile.sql zencommand zenhub zenpass zensyslog
[06-Aug-2007 04:19:54] <iscream> runzeo zenctl zenload zenperfsnmp zentrap
[06-Aug-2007 04:19:54] <iscream> runzope zendevicedump zenmail zenperfxmlrpc zenwin
[06-Aug-2007 04:19:54] <iscream> runzope.bat zendeviceload zenmib zenping zenwinmodeler
[06-Aug-2007 04:19:55] <iscream> winexe zendisc zenmigrate zenprocess zeoctl
[06-Aug-2007 04:19:57] <iscream> zen2load.py zendmd zenmodeler zenprodrm zipzenpack
[06-Aug-2007 04:19:59] <iscream> zenactions zendoc zenoss zenrender zopectl
[06-Aug-2007 04:20:00] <Darkfang> maybe that's why ou don't have anygraphs :D
[06-Aug-2007 04:20:01] <iscream> zenbackup zendump zenoss_init_post zenrestore zopeservice.py
[06-Aug-2007 04:20:03] <iscream> zenbatchload zeneventbuild zenoss_init_pre zenschamadoc zproprmlocal
[06-Aug-2007 04:20:05] <iscream> zenbuild zeneventlog zenoss_upgrade_post zensocket
[06-Aug-2007 04:20:07] <iscream> zenchkrels zeneventsdump zenoss_upgrade_pre zenstatus
[06-Aug-2007 04:20:09] <iscream> hopp
[06-Aug-2007 04:20:11] <iscream> there you are:D
[06-Aug-2007 04:20:28] <iscream> but i have graph at other device, for example at a windows server, with default datasource
[06-Aug-2007 04:21:32] <iscream> i have this problem, when i add custom datasource, and would graph IT out or threshold
[06-Aug-2007 04:21:56] <Darkfang> try this: locate rrdtool
[06-Aug-2007 04:22:08] <Darkfang> if it says you have no database
[06-Aug-2007 04:22:13] <Darkfang> launch updatedb as root
[06-Aug-2007 04:22:30] <iscream> from which directory should i try that?
[06-Aug-2007 04:22:37] <Darkfang> anywhere
[06-Aug-2007 04:22:51] <Darkfang> loctae is like a find from / but ti's really quick :)
[06-Aug-2007 04:23:15] <iscream> rpath linux (which is with the vmware applicant) dont know the locate command
[06-Aug-2007 04:23:23] <Darkfang> arg
[06-Aug-2007 04:24:22] <Darkfang> try find $ZENHOME -name "rrdtool" -ls
[06-Aug-2007 04:24:29] <iscream> i dont think so its problem with the rddtool
[06-Aug-2007 04:25:00] <iscream> the threshold isnt working as well, maybe it cannot find out the value, from the datasource?
[06-Aug-2007 04:28:49] <Darkfang> well if ou have no graph it's a value problem
[06-Aug-2007 04:29:14] <iscream> and no threshold warning:P
[06-Aug-2007 04:29:16] <Darkfang> have you tried to run zenperfsnmp manually?
[06-Aug-2007 04:29:24] <Darkfang> yea but if he gets no value
[06-Aug-2007 04:29:30] <iscream> no threshold
[06-Aug-2007 04:29:32] <Darkfang> he can't check the threshold
[06-Aug-2007 04:29:47] <iscream> and no graph, to draw
[06-Aug-2007 04:30:03] <Darkfang> try: zenerfsnmp run -d NPI0957E0 -v10
[06-Aug-2007 04:30:19] <iscream> lol
[06-Aug-2007 04:30:29] <Darkfang> zenperfsnmp sorry
[06-Aug-2007 04:30:33] <iscream> i looked now...at the deamons the zenerfpr was down
[06-Aug-2007 04:30:38] <Darkfang> lol
[06-Aug-2007 04:30:50] <Darkfang> ok
[06-Aug-2007 04:30:50] <Darkfang> ^^
[06-Aug-2007 04:30:52] <iscream> but still nothing:S
[06-Aug-2007 04:31:08] <Darkfang> try to run manually so you'll have complete log ^^
[06-Aug-2007 04:32:51] <iscream> INFO:zen.zenperfsnmp:sent 9 OID requests
[06-Aug-2007 04:32:51] <iscream> INFO:zen.zenperfsnmp:collected 1 of 1 devices in 0.06
[06-Aug-2007 04:32:51] <iscream> INFO:zen.zenperfsnmp:Count 1 good 1 bad 0 time 0.058535
[06-Aug-2007 04:32:51] <iscream> DEBUG:zen.zenperfsnmp:removing service EventService
[06-Aug-2007 04:32:51] <iscream> DEBUG:zen.zenperfsnmp:removing service SnmpPerfConfig
[06-Aug-2007 04:32:51] <iscream> INFO:zen.zenperfsnmp:zenperfsnmp shutting down
[06-Aug-2007 04:34:10] <iscream> one of the request : DEBUG:zen.RRDUtil:/home/zenoss/perf/Devices/NPI0957E0/BlackAvaible_BlackAvaible.rrd: 4365L
[06-Aug-2007 04:34:31] <iscream> wow
[06-Aug-2007 04:34:37] <iscream> its nice
[06-Aug-2007 04:34:41] <iscream> its working i think:D
[06-Aug-2007 04:34:45] <Darkfang> ^^
[06-Aug-2007 04:34:56] <iscream> still no waring
[06-Aug-2007 04:35:00] <iscream> but on tha graph
[06-Aug-2007 04:35:54] <iscream> blackavaible whit the color i choosed (above the scale) and the threshold with the color
[06-Aug-2007 04:39:19] <iscream> Darkfang : how can i do that the y- axle would be not 1.0 the max and not with 0.2 steps?
[06-Aug-2007 04:39:57] <Darkfang> you should have a look to RRD documentation
[06-Aug-2007 04:40:24] <iscream> okay
[06-Aug-2007 04:40:46] <iscream> now i have the graph with no drawing...would i be okay within few hours maybe?:D
[06-Aug-2007 04:41:20] <Darkfang> if you zoom a lot to the right part
[06-Aug-2007 04:41:23] <iscream> or i have something wrong with the snmp
[06-Aug-2007 04:41:26] <Darkfang> you should see some points
[06-Aug-2007 04:42:20] <iscream> no points:S
[06-Aug-2007 04:44:20] <Darkfang> if you have a graph, points should be comming soon anyway :p
[06-Aug-2007 04:45:26] <iscream> okay
[06-Aug-2007 04:45:31] <iscream> thx 4 everything:D
[06-Aug-2007 04:46:09] <iscream> hmm
[06-Aug-2007 04:46:50] <iscream> i changed the y axle steps, to maxY 6k, if the oid result could be around 4500 and i have the threshold line
[06-Aug-2007 04:47:15] <iscream> but the actual value still not
[06-Aug-2007 04:47:21] <iscream> and the threshold waringing still not
[06-Aug-2007 04:47:22] <iscream> hmhm
[06-Aug-2007 04:47:51] <iscream> [root@localhost /]# snmpwalk -v 1 -c public 192.168.0.203 1.3.6.1.2.1.43.11.1.1.9.1.1
[06-Aug-2007 04:47:52] <iscream> SNMPv2-SMI::mib-2.43.11.1.1.9.1.1 = INTEGER: 4365
[06-Aug-2007 04:48:00] <iscream> within the linux box tha command and result
[06-Aug-2007 04:48:07] <iscream> within zenoss, no result yet
[06-Aug-2007 04:49:11] <iscream> the datapoint type is Derive and the line type is line rdd min 0 rrd min 0 rrd max 5000 limit -1
[06-Aug-2007 04:50:20] <rabbit7_> can anyone help me with my issue ?
[06-Aug-2007 05:10:26] <iscream> Darkfang: r u round?
[06-Aug-2007 05:11:27] <Darkfang> yep i'm still here
[06-Aug-2007 05:13:01] <iscream> Darkfang: is it possible, that when i snmpwalk manually on the linux box, like above it has result, but when i write down the same oid as a datasource, it cannot find out the "4365" result?:S
[06-Aug-2007 05:16:36] <Darkfang> i don't use snmp in zenoss for perf so I can't say
[06-Aug-2007 05:16:48] <Darkfang> but if you're running from the same computer
[06-Aug-2007 05:16:55] <Darkfang> I doubt zenoss doesn't get the result
[06-Aug-2007 05:18:28] <iscream> same
[06-Aug-2007 05:18:30] <iscream> ejj
[06-Aug-2007 05:21:49] <iscream> so i will wait...maybe it would be ok
[06-Aug-2007 05:22:01] <iscream> or maybe some snmp pro comes online:D
[06-Aug-2007 05:22:12] <iscream> Merciless : r u here 2?
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[06-Aug-2007 05:44:34] <xTea> Hi all
[06-Aug-2007 05:46:01] <iscream> hi
[06-Aug-2007 05:46:46] <xTea> I am seeing something i don't understand with OS Processes
[06-Aug-2007 05:46:55] <xTea> hey iscream :)
[06-Aug-2007 05:47:37] <xTea> Add ntpd to the OS Process list, comes back with that service being up after modeling the device.
[06-Aug-2007 05:47:51] <xTea> Turn ntpf off and remodel and then it just vanished from the OS Process list
[06-Aug-2007 05:48:13] <xTea> What i exepected to see was a red light, not the process to vanish
[06-Aug-2007 05:48:22] <xTea> Anyone else experienced this with 2.0.3 ?
[06-Aug-2007 05:49:39] <iscream> ehh
[06-Aug-2007 05:49:41] <iscream> 2.0.3?
[06-Aug-2007 05:49:51] <iscream> i use simple 2.0.0 until the 2.0.3 will be ok
[06-Aug-2007 05:50:01] <iscream> i hear a lot of bugs in 2.0.3
[06-Aug-2007 05:50:34] <xTea> Hmm something to ponder, what is the recommended production version ?
[06-Aug-2007 05:52:06] <iscream> the basic 2.0.0 maybe?:D
[06-Aug-2007 05:52:27] <xTea> lol, will see if i can find out :)
[06-Aug-2007 05:55:23] <rabbit7_> can you have zenoss do a portscan AND snmp monitoring at the same time ?
[06-Aug-2007 05:56:26] <rabbit7_> im new to zenoss and there seem to be a lot of issues with it.. is it really enterprise ready ?
[06-Aug-2007 05:59:40] <xTea> rabbit7_: I am wondering the same thing, which is a real shame - my customer is pretty excited about it
[06-Aug-2007 06:05:01] <rabbit7_> yeah.. well im testing right now.. i dont have a final picture of the software yet
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[06-Aug-2007 06:09:47] <xTea> Instructions give a username and password to logon to the bug tracker, but then that user is not allowed to submit tickets ??j
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[06-Aug-2007 06:30:15] <iscream> hi bzed : can u help me? is it possible, that when i snmpwalk manually on the linux box, it has result, but when i write down the same oid as a datasource, it cannot find out the result? and no errors at threshold i write down and no graph values:S
[06-Aug-2007 06:31:10] <bzed> iscream: uh, no clue - sorry
[06-Aug-2007 06:33:05] <iscream> ok, thx anyway
[06-Aug-2007 06:35:12] <rabbit7_> i have a problem getting theportscan to work plugins: zenoss.portscan.IpServiceMap
[06-Aug-2007 06:35:29] <rabbit7_> i dont like that snmp portscan plugin, i mean it doesnt tell me if the port is really reachable
[06-Aug-2007 06:35:53] <rabbit7_> and it doesnt work with the entries specified for all entries
[06-Aug-2007 06:36:14] <rabbit7_> i have that plugin activated and remodel the device but it doesnt find the open ports on the host
[06-Aug-2007 06:36:17] <rabbit7_> really strange
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[06-Aug-2007 07:58:32] <xTea> Anyone know why the zenoss user can't submit tickets to the bug tracking database ?
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[06-Aug-2007 08:43:59] <iscream> hi jp10558 : can u help me? is it possible, that when i snmpwalk manually on the linux box, it has result, but when i write down the same oid as a datasource, it cannot find out the result? and no errors at threshold i write down and no graph values:S
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[06-Aug-2007 08:51:43] * xTea is rather dissatisfied
[06-Aug-2007 08:52:28] <xTea> Can't submit a ticket, can't signup to the mailing lists and can't post a forum entry. I am so about to give up.
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[06-Aug-2007 09:18:08] <jp10558> Sorry iscream, I haven't yet tried to add datasources like that, so IDK
[06-Aug-2007 09:19:05] <jp10558> xTea: can't sign up to the forum/mailing lists? that's odd, I know people could sign up as of friday
[06-Aug-2007 09:23:00] <xTea> Eventually found the link after signing up on www.zenoss.com - the page that had me frustrated is http://www.zenoss.com/community/lists
[06-Aug-2007 09:33:01] <xTea> just got mail from the guys at zenoss - the links have been fixed
[06-Aug-2007 09:33:32] <xTea> now to figure out why my ISP is transparently caching my http connections in a broken manner :)
[06-Aug-2007 09:33:49] <jp10558> lol
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[06-Aug-2007 10:06:41] <haizaar> Hi!
[06-Aug-2007 10:07:18] <haizaar> I've installed zenoss to /usr/local/zenoss-2.0.2 (from sources, using install script)
[06-Aug-2007 10:07:47] <haizaar> now the problem is that zencommand thinks that libexec commands are in /opt/zenoss...
[06-Aug-2007 10:08:05] <haizaar> How can I fix this?
[06-Aug-2007 10:14:50] <haizaar> Is anyone here?
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[06-Aug-2007 10:21:07] <davetoo> um
[06-Aug-2007 10:21:17] <davetoo> There's a setting somewhere, I think
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[06-Aug-2007 10:23:11] <davetoo> Try the zCommandPath setting in zProperties
[06-Aug-2007 10:23:39] <davetoo> at the /Devices root.
[06-Aug-2007 10:32:47] <xTea> Anyone know how to do host dependancies with zenoss ?
[06-Aug-2007 10:33:01] <xTea> kinda like nagios ?
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[06-Aug-2007 11:15:39] <moath> what's the best way to troubleshoot critical pages i'm receiving for localhost
[06-Aug-2007 11:15:44] <moath> no component is listed
[06-Aug-2007 11:15:48] <moath> message:
[06-Aug-2007 11:15:58] <moath> zenoss.foo.com ip 127.0.0.1 is up
[06-Aug-2007 11:26:29] <haizaar> to davetoo: Thanks! That helped!
[06-Aug-2007 11:58:51] <monrad> anyone tried the new rrdtools beta with zenoss yet?
[06-Aug-2007 12:08:02] <monrad> i would like the performance boost :)
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[06-Aug-2007 13:07:24] <Bulwinkle> any ideas when the suse x86_64 packages will be out anyone?
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[06-Aug-2007 16:16:31] <jsm> what's the best way to use zenoss to monitor vmware viturals that are behind a NAT?
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[06-Aug-2007 16:31:39] <Bulwinkle> has anyone installed zenoss from source and encountered the permission problems with zensocket?
[06-Aug-2007 16:32:29] <Bulwinkle> jsm: what do you mean "best way"
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[06-Aug-2007 16:33:31] <jsm> Bulwinkle: i'm just trying to get into the zenoss frame of mind, and how i should think about my vmware stuff.. as real machines, as applications, etc.
[06-Aug-2007 16:34:27] <Bulwinkle> jsm: how would you access them normally? I monitor my vmware virtuals as singular entities and my vmware server as a server....
[06-Aug-2007 16:34:57] <jsm> Bulwinkle: problem is that they are natted behind the physical server
[06-Aug-2007 16:35:28] <jsm> Bulwinkle: can't quite figure out how to reach into them and poll them with snmp
[06-Aug-2007 16:36:05] <jsm> unless they weren't nat'd of course
[06-Aug-2007 16:36:31] <Bulwinkle> jsm: that is a problem.... you can't do it without some kind of NATing
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[06-Aug-2007 16:41:04] <jsm> the other thing i'm struggling with is how to setup port monitors on a bunch of machines at once? for instance, i want to monitor port 80 on 5 different virtuals, and don't want to set up each one individually...
[06-Aug-2007 16:47:45] <moath> jsm: i've run into that as well
[06-Aug-2007 16:48:14] <moath> jsm: i've got 50+ to set it up though
[06-Aug-2007 16:48:31] <moath> if you find out how let me know ;)
[06-Aug-2007 16:48:35] <jsm> moath: it would seem all the classes/groups they have going on with zenoss, you could modify a group of things at once
[06-Aug-2007 16:48:37] <jsm> jeesh
[06-Aug-2007 16:48:50] <moath> yea...that's the *only* thing i don't like about zenoss so far
[06-Aug-2007 16:49:49] <jsm> moath: any luck in integrating 3rd party MIBs?
[06-Aug-2007 16:50:05] <jsm> i'd really like to get some Dell specific info from these machines
[06-Aug-2007 16:50:05] <moath> haven't tried yet
[06-Aug-2007 16:50:26] <moath> we use cacti for most of that stuff
[06-Aug-2007 16:51:02] <moath> jsm: there is some dell stuff in zenoss already
[06-Aug-2007 16:52:12] <progma> jsm: same here; i'm polling the omsa-modified snmpd to get poweredge temps and such
[06-Aug-2007 16:52:24] <progma> still doing it with cacti as i haven't had a chance to muck with how zenoss would do this
[06-Aug-2007 16:53:24] <jsm> progma: hmmm
[06-Aug-2007 16:53:36] <jsm> progma: is it necessary to use cacti and zenoss?
[06-Aug-2007 16:53:44] <jsm> cacti is better at graphing?
[06-Aug-2007 16:53:49] <jsm> i've never used it.
[06-Aug-2007 16:54:29] <jsm> i'm really just trying to find the right tool for doing hardware OS monitoring of about 20 boxes as well as http validation
[06-Aug-2007 16:54:51] <jsm> i thought zenoss was the right tool, but i'm not so sure.. might be too much for what i'm trying to do.
[06-Aug-2007 16:58:44] <Bulwinkle> moath: are all of the port 80s you want to monitor on the same type of server?
[06-Aug-2007 16:59:49] <moath> Bulwinkle: do you mean class?
[06-Aug-2007 17:00:25] <Bulwinkle> moath: yeah
[06-Aug-2007 17:00:36] <moath> they can be
[06-Aug-2007 17:00:40] <Bulwinkle> I'll be around tomorrow talk to me about it then
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[06-Aug-2007 17:01:00] <progma> jsm: well it's great for just rrdtool-style graphing
[06-Aug-2007 17:01:43] <progma> jsm: i just started using zenoss and so far it almost does everything i need, but adding custom checks for an oid for a host doesn't seem intuitive
[06-Aug-2007 17:02:27] <progma> jsm: i've gone through nagios, ipmonitor, cacti, zabbix
[06-Aug-2007 17:02:37] <progma> plus i've used hp openview, whats up gold and such over the years
[06-Aug-2007 17:03:09] <progma> nagios doesn't have graphing by default and nagiosgraph is a pain to get working, but its alerting mechanism is great
[06-Aug-2007 17:03:15] <progma> cacti doesn't alert on threshold afaik
[06-Aug-2007 17:03:28] <progma> ipmonitor is great but windows only booo
[06-Aug-2007 17:03:32] <jsm> heard of bixdata?
[06-Aug-2007 17:03:33] <progma> also commercial
[06-Aug-2007 17:03:51] <progma> zabbix combines alerting of nagios and graphing of cacti
[06-Aug-2007 17:04:01] <moath> progma: there's a plugin for cacti to do threshhold alerting
[06-Aug-2007 17:04:05] <jsm> i'd love to do non-com, but when doing consulting, i don't have time to spin so many cycles learning zenoss
[06-Aug-2007 17:04:08] <progma> but its template structure was written by someone with autism or something
[06-Aug-2007 17:04:17] <progma> moath: oh yah?
[06-Aug-2007 17:04:17] <moath> but i'd test it before i implemnted it on my main cacti server
[06-Aug-2007 17:04:54] <moath> http://cactiusers.org/
[06-Aug-2007 17:04:54] <adytum-bot> Title: CactiUsers.org (at cactiusers.org)
[06-Aug-2007 17:04:55] <moath> thold plugin i think
[06-Aug-2007 17:05:02] <progma> jsm: one great thing about zenoss was it auto-found my syslog-ng, which is great
[06-Aug-2007 17:05:18] <progma> jsm: also the auto-discovery of devices with zendisc is a+
[06-Aug-2007 17:05:34] <moath> progma: i liked zabbix...except the whole installing an agent part
[06-Aug-2007 17:05:47] <progma> moath: oh god taht too
[06-Aug-2007 17:05:50] <jsm> progma, i'm not concerned with auto-discovery really..
[06-Aug-2007 17:05:52] <progma> the agent is like totally shady
[06-Aug-2007 17:05:52] <moath> if i could make it poll snmp (which didn't seem very obvious) it'd be awsome
[06-Aug-2007 17:05:56] <moath> *awesome
[06-Aug-2007 17:06:07] <progma> i mean it is equal to nrpe and such
[06-Aug-2007 17:06:37] <progma> also configuring an alert is stupid - you have to create the item, then a trigger for it, and you can't just duplicate an item and change it slightly
[06-Aug-2007 17:06:44] <progma> and god forbid if you accidentally change templates or hostgroups
[06-Aug-2007 17:06:50] <moath> progma: interesting
[06-Aug-2007 17:06:51] <moath> good to know
[06-Aug-2007 17:07:12] <progma> for free it's great though :)
[06-Aug-2007 17:07:13] <moath> hyperic seemed agent based as well
[06-Aug-2007 17:07:31] <moath> and opennms uses tomcat 4.x or something so i gave up on it
[06-Aug-2007 17:07:45] <moath> "i've got to install all _this_ crap?"
[06-Aug-2007 17:07:45] <progma> yah how is opennms
[06-Aug-2007 17:07:54] <moath> heh, not sure
[06-Aug-2007 17:07:56] <moath> gave up :)
[06-Aug-2007 17:08:01] <moath> wasn't worth the time
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[06-Aug-2007 17:08:24] <moath> i think i'll start messing with thold when i do the new cacti deployment
[06-Aug-2007 17:08:25] <progma> if you don't have time and have some money, ipmonitor is a great product
[06-Aug-2007 17:08:30] <moath> something is messed up with mine
[06-Aug-2007 17:08:33] <progma> i just don't like it being windows-only
[06-Aug-2007 17:08:40] <moath> i've heard the same about what's up gold
[06-Aug-2007 17:08:58] <progma> yah it's really easy to use
[06-Aug-2007 17:09:08] <moath> adventnet.com has some interesting products
[06-Aug-2007 17:09:39] <progma> i think for free, zenoss is probably the best out there, though
[06-Aug-2007 17:10:00] <progma> esp. if you know some scripting and have been cut to pieces doing installs of other netmon apps
[06-Aug-2007 17:13:12] <moath> yea
[06-Aug-2007 17:13:17] <moath> nagios has no good frontend
[06-Aug-2007 17:13:22] <moath> groundwork feels really clunky
[06-Aug-2007 17:13:32] <moath> what else have i tried lately
[06-Aug-2007 17:14:12] <progma> yah the fruity frontend for nagios is not bad
[06-Aug-2007 17:14:20] <moath> i think i tried that a bit
[06-Aug-2007 17:14:24] <moath> it was kind of clunky
[06-Aug-2007 17:14:24] <progma> although it is rather... well, fruity
[06-Aug-2007 17:14:27] <moath> hehe
[06-Aug-2007 17:14:28] <moath> true
[06-Aug-2007 17:14:34] <progma> yah it needs a lot of work
[06-Aug-2007 17:15:23] <moath> they're all built around nagios which means exporting configuration files and crap
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[06-Aug-2007 17:19:55] <progma> what's the other one, nagat
[06-Aug-2007 17:20:07] <progma> might as well just vi the cfg files
[06-Aug-2007 17:20:22] <krunar> the beauty of simple text
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[06-Aug-2007 20:41:20] <KernelPanik> can I setup zenoss so it shows bandwith graph on the dashboard for certain users?
[06-Aug-2007 21:04:47] <Bulwinkle> KernelPanik: I don't think so with Core, I think it is a Enterprise feature
[06-Aug-2007 21:33:24] <KernelPanik> kewl, ok I'll call their sales, thanks
[06-Aug-2007 21:34:41] <Bulwinkle> KernelPanik: NP
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[07-Aug-2007 05:21:37] * Darkfang dances all around
[07-Aug-2007 05:21:47] <Darkfang> my filesystem template is finally working \o/
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[07-Aug-2007 05:45:57] <iscream> Darkfang : congratulation
[07-Aug-2007 05:46:12] <iscream> then i will ask you if i have similar problem:P
[07-Aug-2007 05:56:45] <Darkfang> i posted in zenoss forum
[07-Aug-2007 05:57:40] <iscream> nice!
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[07-Aug-2007 08:24:24] <iscream> anbody who can help me with UPS???
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[07-Aug-2007 08:31:13] <Bulwinkle> iscream: whats the problem?
[07-Aug-2007 08:34:16] <iscream> i cannot find out whats the ups ip
[07-Aug-2007 08:34:21] <iscream> its an apc smart up 5000
[07-Aug-2007 08:34:29] <iscream> and its in the inner network
[07-Aug-2007 08:34:35] <iscream> auto discover cannot discover it
[07-Aug-2007 08:34:46] <Bulwinkle> iscream: can you do a snmpwalk on it?
[07-Aug-2007 08:35:22] <iscream> no, cause i donno the ip
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[07-Aug-2007 08:38:04] <Bulwinkle> iscream: well figure it out and I may be able to help
[07-Aug-2007 08:45:58] <iscream> im on it
[07-Aug-2007 08:46:01] <iscream> thanks
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[07-Aug-2007 08:48:31] <asdf> hey wondering if someone can help me with an error i get when i try to setup zenwin
[07-Aug-2007 08:48:57] <asdf> when trying to run python zenwin.py -C etc\zenwin.cfg get an error
[07-Aug-2007 08:49:12] <asdf> gaierror: (11001, 'getaddrinfo failed')
[07-Aug-2007 08:49:12] <asdf> CRITICAL:zen.zenwin:initial config load failed 5 times exiting
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[07-Aug-2007 08:49:39] <asdf> seems to have something to do with python not being able to resolve hostnames. Not sure how to troubleshoot this problem
[07-Aug-2007 08:52:17] <Darkfang> iscream, do you know which subnetwork it is in?
[07-Aug-2007 09:03:49] <iscream> yep
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[07-Aug-2007 10:14:44] <adj> ok. i think im ready to take the plunge and switch from nagios to zenoss
[07-Aug-2007 10:14:57] <Bulwinkle> adj: how many devices?
[07-Aug-2007 10:15:20] <adj> Bulwinkle: 62 devices, 567 services
[07-Aug-2007 10:15:34] <Bulwinkle> ah, piece of cake!
[07-Aug-2007 10:15:54] <adj> yep. and apparently zenoss can auth from my ldap server too!
[07-Aug-2007 10:16:16] <adj> what i need to find (im still digging through docs) is how to provide failover monitoring
[07-Aug-2007 10:17:10] <adj> my nagios setup currently spans two machines. the slave checks the master nagios process and executes an event handler to take master status if the master ever fails
[07-Aug-2007 10:17:43] <adj> when the master comes back up it resumes the primary role and the slave goes back to simply checking the master. can i set something like this up with zenoss?
[07-Aug-2007 10:18:04] <adj> hell, if i could use linux-ha that would be best, but i havent seen docs on this
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[07-Aug-2007 10:35:35] <jp10558> does anyone know how to connect to the ZOPE management interface in the Zenoss install?
[07-Aug-2007 10:35:43] <Bulwinkle> adj: don't know about that but, if you find out how to do it, let me know
[07-Aug-2007 10:36:04] <Bulwinkle> jp10558: http://zenossserver:8080/manage
[07-Aug-2007 10:37:54] <jp10558> what would the default admin password be?
[07-Aug-2007 10:38:12] <jp10558> or how do we set it as it's asking for a password to connect and I don't recall setting one
[07-Aug-2007 10:45:22] <iscream> admin
[07-Aug-2007 10:45:23] <adj> Bulwinkle: its really a must for me. if i drop zenoss on a host at my datacenter and the datacenter loses their connectivity, how would i know?
[07-Aug-2007 10:45:33] <iscream> jp10558: admin/zenoss
[07-Aug-2007 10:45:45] <iscream> i guess
[07-Aug-2007 10:46:19] <Bulwinkle> iscream: ever find your UPS?
[07-Aug-2007 10:50:42] <adj> i guess i could just use two zenoss hosts and put heartbeat between them and write a quick script to start/stop zenoss processes
[07-Aug-2007 10:51:14] <adj> the trick then is to mirror the data between zenoss's
[07-Aug-2007 10:52:03] <iscream> Bulwinkle: not, im guess im going home soon:D
[07-Aug-2007 10:52:18] <Bulwinkle> hah
[07-Aug-2007 10:53:32] <iscream> tomorrow :P
[07-Aug-2007 10:54:22] <iscream> Darkfang : i cannot send pm yet:P
[07-Aug-2007 10:54:53] <iscream> Darkfang: i will register tomorrow
[07-Aug-2007 10:57:30] <progma> just found python eating up my cpu cycles so i restarted zenoss; has anyone seen this happen
[07-Aug-2007 10:59:50] <jp10558> mmm
[07-Aug-2007 11:00:06] <jp10558> does anyone know how to add a standard user folder for the kerberos plugin install?
[07-Aug-2007 11:00:17] <jp10558> I don't see anything obvious in the interface
[07-Aug-2007 11:01:15] <Darkfang> oh ok ^^
[07-Aug-2007 11:01:32] <Darkfang> have you tried ping boradcast?
[07-Aug-2007 11:02:00] <adj> how does zenoss store its data?
[07-Aug-2007 11:02:20] <Darkfang> which datas? :p
[07-Aug-2007 11:02:20] <adj> flat files? real db? or file based db?
[07-Aug-2007 11:02:31] <Darkfang> Events => mysql
[07-Aug-2007 11:02:44] <Darkfang> performances data => rrd archives
[07-Aug-2007 11:02:46] <adj> all data. if im going to make it HA, then i need to replicate all the data down to the slave
[07-Aug-2007 11:03:00] <Darkfang> other (devices, classes, class mappings..) => zeo databse
[07-Aug-2007 11:03:21] <adj> have you seen a failover setup for zenoss?
[07-Aug-2007 11:05:50] <Darkfang> no
[07-Aug-2007 11:06:18] <Darkfang> It may be quite easy to do for rrd/mysql
[07-Aug-2007 11:06:28] <Darkfang> but it should be more difficult to deal with Zeo
[07-Aug-2007 11:06:40] <iscream> Darkfang : not yet, how can i do that?
[07-Aug-2007 11:06:42] <Darkfang> except if you are used to Zope ^^
[07-Aug-2007 11:06:52] <Darkfang> ping -b broadcast_adress
[07-Aug-2007 11:06:59] <adj> mysql is easy. just put that data in a remote sql server. i already have DB servers in HA clusters
[07-Aug-2007 11:07:17] <adj> rrd can be done via rsync or even NFS
[07-Aug-2007 11:07:17] <Darkfang> you can see it by executing ifconfig
[07-Aug-2007 11:07:25] <iscream> Darkfang : how would it know that the USP must answer?:P
[07-Aug-2007 11:07:41] <iscream> ohh
[07-Aug-2007 11:07:42] <adj> im not familiar at all with zeo...
[07-Aug-2007 11:07:46] <Darkfang> broadcast is sending ping to all devices on the subnetwork
[07-Aug-2007 11:07:51] <Darkfang> kind of
[07-Aug-2007 11:07:58] <Darkfang> not all devices answered but some do
[07-Aug-2007 11:08:18] <iscream> with -b???
[07-Aug-2007 11:08:31] <Darkfang> depends on your system ^^
[07-Aug-2007 11:08:42] <Darkfang> usually -b telles it's broadcast mode
[07-Aug-2007 11:09:03] <iscream> ok
[07-Aug-2007 11:09:07] <iscream> i have the answers
[07-Aug-2007 11:09:10] <Darkfang> I know you can dump and restore zeo database
[07-Aug-2007 11:09:15] <iscream> but how do i know which wan is the USP?
[07-Aug-2007 11:09:23] <Darkfang> it's the one you don't know what it is :D
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[07-Aug-2007 11:09:33] <iscream> ohh
[07-Aug-2007 11:09:33] <iscream> :P
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[07-Aug-2007 11:10:05] <iscream> will it be stop sometime?:P
[07-Aug-2007 11:10:30] <Darkfang> no you have to stop it
[07-Aug-2007 11:10:31] <Darkfang> ^^
[07-Aug-2007 11:10:49] <Darkfang> adj, this could be useful http://www.faqs.org/docs/ZopeBook/ZEO.html
[07-Aug-2007 11:10:49] <adytum-bot> Title: Chapter 13: Scalability and ZE