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[01-Aug-2006 00:20:01] <chairuou> hello
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[01-Aug-2006 08:12:21] <gravitron> any developers around?
[01-Aug-2006 08:12:37] <ecn> what's up?
[01-Aug-2006 08:13:35] <gravitron> I've got a class of servers /Devices/Servers/Windows/Database
[01-Aug-2006 08:13:42] <gravitron> where I collect some additional performance type data
[01-Aug-2006 08:13:53] <gravitron> I'd like to collect this data on a more granular fashion
[01-Aug-2006 08:14:08] <gravitron> can I alter the polling period for these data elements only?
[01-Aug-2006 08:14:16] <ecn> not at this time
[01-Aug-2006 08:14:20] <gravitron> or can I alter the polling period for this path
[01-Aug-2006 08:14:25] <gravitron> is that a potential feature?
[01-Aug-2006 08:14:28] <gravitron> future
[01-Aug-2006
08:14:49] <ecn> it is... send a note to the mailing list
describing it... maybe Erik will bump it up on the list
[01-Aug-2006 08:15:04] <gravitron> ok, also, one other thing
[01-Aug-2006 08:15:17] <gravitron> I'd like to gather some specific performance data based on my hardware
[01-Aug-2006 08:15:29] <gravitron> (in this case a Dell PERC raid controller)
[01-Aug-2006
08:16:09] <gravitron> currently, the 'hardware' tab does not
contain a specific element for a raid controller (as there is with
HardDisk)
[01-Aug-2006 08:16:30] <gravitron> 1. is there a way
for me as a user to add my raid controllers as elements of the hardware
to be discovered
[01-Aug-2006 08:16:40] <gravitron> so that I can generate a perf config template for it
[01-Aug-2006 08:17:18] <ecn> hmm
[01-Aug-2006 08:17:22] <ecn> to be discovered, no
[01-Aug-2006 08:17:32] <gravitron> you see what I am getting at though?
[01-Aug-2006 08:17:38] <ecn> but.. if you can monitor the performance data via snmp
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[01-Aug-2006 08:17:48] <gravitron> my particular hardware configuration goes beyond a HardDisk
[01-Aug-2006 08:18:03] <ecn> you can add those templates to a group and collect on them
[01-Aug-2006
08:18:12] <gravitron> right, I can gather it via SNMP, but I am
trying to blend in with the 'organization' structure of zenoss
[01-Aug-2006 08:18:25] <gravitron> not sure I am following
[01-Aug-2006
08:18:38] <ecn> to be honest, I'm a bit fuzzy on the discovery
side, since it was here before I started working on zenoss
[01-Aug-2006 08:18:58] <gravitron> well, one of the things I see in the admin guide is "Maps"
[01-Aug-2006 08:19:02] <gravitron> snmp collector maps
[01-Aug-2006
08:19:18] <gravitron> and it seems that for each of the 'hardware
types' that are recognized (HardDisk, Route, Interface, etc)
[01-Aug-2006
08:19:37] <gravitron> there is a 'map' bullet (no description of
what these thigns are though... documentation to come ;))
[01-Aug-2006 08:20:24] <ecn> sorry I can't help
[01-Aug-2006 08:20:40] <ecn> send a note to the list... Erik is good about getting back in the same day
[01-Aug-2006 08:20:49] <ecn> unless it really stumps us
[01-Aug-2006 08:22:56] <gravitron> hehe
[01-Aug-2006 08:23:01] <gravitron> ok
[01-Aug-2006 08:23:14] <gravitron> what's the mailing list? (too lazy to look it up, if yoiu have it handy)
[01-Aug-2006 08:24:41] <ecn> http://lists.zenoss.org/mailman/listinfo/zenoss-users
[01-Aug-2006 08:24:41] <adytum-bot> Title: zenoss-users Info Page (at lists.zenoss.org)
[01-Aug-2006 08:26:20] <gravitron> thanks
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[01-Aug-2006
16:13:57] <creiht> edahl: A minor enhancement request. When you
are deleting a device, when deleting a device, some time of
confirmation probably should be done
[01-Aug-2006 16:14:17] <edahl> good thought
[01-Aug-2006 16:14:47] <edahl> you can undo if you lost something
[01-Aug-2006 16:14:55] <edahl> need to go through the ZMI
[01-Aug-2006
16:16:01] <creiht> That is good to know... and I haven't lost
something, just thought about it as I was showing some co-workers how
to use zenoss
[01-Aug-2006 16:20:48] <edahl> cool
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[01-Aug-2006 20:20:13] <giesen> Is there any way to set a threshold that's a delta
[01-Aug-2006 20:20:18] <giesen> rather than a fixed number?
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[01-Aug-2006
22:04:27] <Jester888> 02I just installed Zenoss on a CentOS 4.6
host and added a few devices. The are repoting up and are communicating
via snmp properly. The problem is, I am not getting any graphs.
[01-Aug-2006
22:05:41] <Jester888> 02The event log is giving several errors.
The one that looks like it is causing the issue is..
[01-Aug-2006
22:05:52] <Jester888> 02error: opening
'/usr/local/zenoss/perf/Devices/MAIL2/memoryPagesPerSec.rrd': No such
file or directory
[01-Aug-2006 22:06:12] <Jester888> 02When I look in the perf dir.. there Device directory is not present
[01-Aug-2006
22:06:57] <Jester888> 02Everything else appears to be
functioning correctly, the zenoss user owns the perf dir and has 775
perms.
[01-Aug-2006 22:07:33] <Jester888> 02Any ideas on how
to get zenoss to create the Devices directory and populate it? or why
it would not be?
[01-Aug-2006 22:10:12] <Jester888> 02Google
and the mail archive, have not returned any results with a solution
that I could find.
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[01-Aug-2006 22:22:31] <Jester888> 02Any one or would I be better off using the mailing list?
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[01-Aug-2006
22:34:34] <Jester888> 02I have posted my question to the
userlist.
http://lists.zenoss.org/pipermail/zenoss-users/2006/001016.html Any
help would be appreciated.
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[02-Aug-2006 10:16:03] <giesen> Is there any way to set the email address zenoss sends from?
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[02-Aug-2006 11:16:57] <creiht> edahl: How's it going?
[02-Aug-2006 11:17:18] <edahl> good close to the release
[02-Aug-2006 11:17:23] <creiht> cool
[02-Aug-2006 11:17:45] <creiht> I saw that it was in the /downloads folder
[02-Aug-2006 11:17:56] <edahl> don't take that one its bad
[02-Aug-2006 11:17:59] <creiht> hehe
[02-Aug-2006 11:17:59] <creiht> ok
[02-Aug-2006 11:18:25] <creiht> I was just reading the release notes
[02-Aug-2006 11:18:37] <creiht> I like the idea of ading the xml-rpc daemon
[02-Aug-2006 11:19:39] <creiht> When do you think the release will be ready?
[02-Aug-2006 11:19:40] <edahl> yea that helps alot
[02-Aug-2006 11:19:50] <edahl> another hour or so
[02-Aug-2006 11:19:54] <creiht> cool
[02-Aug-2006 11:20:08] <creiht> I was going to walk some others here through the upgrade after lunch today
[02-Aug-2006 11:20:16] <creiht> So that will be great
[02-Aug-2006 11:22:07] <creiht> So I had another idea.... Have you guys thought about generating alerts through email?
[02-Aug-2006 11:22:26] <creiht> Somewhat similar to a trap
[02-Aug-2006 11:23:06] <edahl> yes I have but not sure we have a bug to track it
[02-Aug-2006 11:23:13] <edahl> I will had one
[02-Aug-2006 11:23:37] <creiht> cool
[02-Aug-2006
11:25:16] <creiht> It would make it super easy to generate alerts
for some errors on various systems that we have here
[02-Aug-2006 11:25:32] <edahl> #226
[02-Aug-2006 11:25:37] <creiht> cool
[02-Aug-2006 11:25:42] <creiht> You guys rock :)
[02-Aug-2006 11:25:46] <edahl> I think its easy to add as well
[02-Aug-2006 11:25:50] <edahl> thanks!
[02-Aug-2006 11:56:45] <edahl> ok zenoss-0.22.0 is up on our downloads directory
[02-Aug-2006 11:57:01] * zaph cheers
[02-Aug-2006 11:58:12] <Hatter> cool
[02-Aug-2006 11:59:04] <edahl> http://dev.zenoss.org/downloads/zenoss-0.22.0.tar.gz
[02-Aug-2006 12:02:51] <zaf> just install.sh to upgrade, right?
[02-Aug-2006 12:05:37] <edahl> yep
[02-Aug-2006 12:05:45] <creiht> wohoo!
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[02-Aug-2006 13:39:07] <edahl> guys we found a bug in zenperfsnmp just now
[02-Aug-2006 13:39:19] <zaf> doh!
[02-Aug-2006 13:39:32] <zaf> let me know when 0.22.1 is up ;)
[02-Aug-2006 13:40:42] <edahl> will do
[02-Aug-2006 13:42:46] <edahl> http://dev.zenoss.org/downloads/zenoss-0.22.1.tar.gz
[02-Aug-2006 13:42:46] <zaf> :)
[02-Aug-2006 13:42:51] <edahl> 0.22.0 was the shortest release ever!
[02-Aug-2006 13:45:21] * zaf rebuilds
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[02-Aug-2006 16:19:04] <zaf> is there a way to make the base zope url automatically go to the Zenoss main page?
[02-Aug-2006 16:20:42] <edahl> yes
[02-Aug-2006 16:20:54] <edahl> in the index_html
[02-Aug-2006 16:21:04] <edahl> in /
[02-Aug-2006 16:21:53] <creiht> Upgrade completed and seemed to work well
[02-Aug-2006 16:21:59] <zaf> just put a meta-refresh in there, right?
[02-Aug-2006 16:22:32] <edahl> need to put a redirect
[02-Aug-2006 16:23:36] <zaf> thanks
[02-Aug-2006 16:23:45] <edahl> is that enough
[02-Aug-2006 16:23:49] <edahl> info?
[02-Aug-2006 16:23:57] <edahl> need to do i in the zmi
[02-Aug-2006 16:24:05] <creiht> edahl: My alerting rules didn't quite come over correctly
[02-Aug-2006 16:24:16] <edahl> hum
[02-Aug-2006 16:24:21] <edahl> what happened?
[02-Aug-2006 16:24:40] <creiht> Well I don't know if you could have really converted it really well anyway :)
[02-Aug-2006 16:24:47] <creiht> My query used like
[02-Aug-2006 16:25:11] <creiht> I think it was something like
[02-Aug-2006 16:25:29] <creiht> deviceGroup like '%blahblahblah%'
[02-Aug-2006 16:25:46] <creiht> It turned it into Device Group is /
[02-Aug-2006 16:25:49] <zaf> edahl, yep, works :)
[02-Aug-2006 16:25:55] <edahl> zaf cool
[02-Aug-2006 16:26:10] <creiht> No biggie though... I can go through and change them
[02-Aug-2006 16:26:20] <edahl> creiht let me have ecn take a look
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[02-Aug-2006 16:27:11] <creiht> otherwise I like the new interface for email alerts
[02-Aug-2006 16:27:48] <ecn> creight: Erik said you are having problems with the alert filters?
[02-Aug-2006 16:28:05] <creiht> ecn: Well one of them didn't transfer over correctly
[02-Aug-2006 16:28:13] <creiht> With the upgrade
[02-Aug-2006 16:28:18] <ecn> whoo hoo only one!
[02-Aug-2006 16:28:21] <creiht> though I'm not sure if it could have
[02-Aug-2006 16:28:22] <creiht> laugh
[02-Aug-2006 16:28:31] <creiht> Well one that I duplicate for about 10 users :)
[02-Aug-2006 16:28:41] <ecn> you know what it's like to write a where clause parser in 2 days?
[02-Aug-2006 16:28:48] <creiht> I had used something like the following in my where clause
[02-Aug-2006 16:28:50] <creiht> lagus
[02-Aug-2006 16:28:52] <creiht> err
[02-Aug-2006 16:28:53] <ecn> super secret trick:
[02-Aug-2006 16:28:54] <creiht> laughs
[02-Aug-2006 16:29:06] <ecn> you can edit the where clause if you turn off java script when you visit the page
[02-Aug-2006 16:29:24] <creiht> deviceGroups like '%blahblah%'
[02-Aug-2006 16:29:59] <creiht> Now it shows in the new interface as
[02-Aug-2006 16:30:05] <creiht> Device Groups is /
[02-Aug-2006 16:30:16] <ecn> ah
[02-Aug-2006 16:30:25] <creiht> Otherwise I like the interface so far
[02-Aug-2006 16:30:38] <creiht> It looks really good... especially if you did it in two days
[02-Aug-2006 16:30:41] <ecn> good
[02-Aug-2006 16:30:52] <ecn> three days: one day to do the javascript 8-)
[02-Aug-2006 16:30:55] <creiht> hehe
[02-Aug-2006 16:31:11] <ecn> change your deviceGroups like '%blah%'
[02-Aug-2006 16:31:13] <ecn> to
[02-Aug-2006 16:31:24] <ecn> deviceGroups like '%|blah%'
[02-Aug-2006 16:31:41] <ecn> (that's a vertical bar in there)
[02-Aug-2006 16:31:47] <creiht> What does that do?
[02-Aug-2006 16:32:02] <ecn> device groups...
[02-Aug-2006 16:32:12] <creiht> But I can edit them to fit the new UI way
[02-Aug-2006 16:32:20] <ecn> ok
[02-Aug-2006 16:32:20] <creiht> So it isn't a biggie
[02-Aug-2006 16:32:29] <creiht> just thought I would let you know though
[02-Aug-2006 16:32:39] <ecn> you can see the generated where clause with the no-javascript trick
[02-Aug-2006 16:32:42] <ecn> thanks
[02-Aug-2006 16:32:51] <ecn> deviceGroup is a many many relationship
[02-Aug-2006 16:32:57] <creiht> yeah
[02-Aug-2006
16:33:12] <ecn> so it's this hacky list so we don't have to join
the many list from the zeo db against the mysql db
[02-Aug-2006 16:33:22] <ecn> so we make device groups a list w/vert bars:
[02-Aug-2006 16:33:23] <creiht> right
[02-Aug-2006 16:33:27] <creiht> ok
[02-Aug-2006 16:33:39] <ecn> |/foo|/bar|/silly
[02-Aug-2006 16:33:52] <creiht> My other modified alert rules seem to have come over fine
[02-Aug-2006 16:33:53] <ecn> so against a group should really include that bar
[02-Aug-2006 16:33:58] <ecn> whoo hoo!
[02-Aug-2006 16:34:16] <ecn> there are limits to what it can reproduce
[02-Aug-2006 16:34:20] <ecn> don't do this:
[02-Aug-2006 16:34:29] <ecn> 2 < severity
[02-Aug-2006 16:34:29] <creiht> hehe
[02-Aug-2006 16:34:31] <ecn> for example
[02-Aug-2006 16:34:32] <creiht> oh I'm sure
[02-Aug-2006 16:34:34] <creiht> laugh
[02-Aug-2006 16:34:35] <ecn> but who does that?
[02-Aug-2006 16:34:39] <ecn> crazy people
[02-Aug-2006 16:35:06] <creiht> And I'm so happy to see disk sizes in GB now rather than bytes :)
[02-Aug-2006 16:35:16] <ecn> it's the little things...
[02-Aug-2006 16:35:27] <creiht> It's often the little things that make a big... err heh
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[02-Aug-2006
16:37:05] <creiht> The other thing that will be awesome is when
you can define one alert and assign that alert to several users
[02-Aug-2006 16:38:40] <ecn> were you interested in the nagios plugins?
[02-Aug-2006 16:39:35] <creiht> Not really... Though that sounds cool :)
[02-Aug-2006 16:41:58] <creiht> I'm also excited about the Maintenance Windows
[02-Aug-2006 16:42:34] <creiht> That will prevent a lot of spam, and endless text messages :)
[02-Aug-2006 16:42:37] <ecn> ya, our customers were very happy w/it
[02-Aug-2006 16:56:08] <korozion> can zenoss monitor a website, to see whether or not it's responding?
[02-Aug-2006
16:57:15] <ecn> yes, in a couple of ways... it will run nagios
plugins now, so that will do the higher application-level checks
[02-Aug-2006 16:57:25] <ecn> it will monitor port 80...
[02-Aug-2006 16:57:34] <ecn> it will monitor performance via SNMP
[02-Aug-2006 16:58:13] <korozion> ahh, good to hear
[02-Aug-2006 16:58:14] <korozion> hrm
[02-Aug-2006 16:58:31] <korozion> can I assume that zenoss can completly replace my Nagios setup?
[02-Aug-2006 16:59:53] <ecn> I don't know.. never ran nagios
[02-Aug-2006 17:00:03] <ecn> I just did the plugin interface
[02-Aug-2006 17:00:17] <korozion> :)
[02-Aug-2006 17:00:20] <ecn> my guess is no, since we are not yet gathering performance data
[02-Aug-2006 17:00:30] <ecn> give us a week, though 8-)
[02-Aug-2006 17:00:38] <korozion> I really only monitored different servers and their processes with it
[02-Aug-2006 17:00:53] <korozion> that's all I need
[02-Aug-2006 17:00:58] <korozion> If something is broke, I need to know
[02-Aug-2006 17:01:06] <ecn> and you can get perf data via snmp, w/Zenoss
[02-Aug-2006 17:01:34] <korozion> nice
[02-Aug-2006 17:01:43] <korozion> I'm still learning zenoss, but I think it'll do what I want
[02-Aug-2006 17:02:00] <korozion> I like that it's python
[02-Aug-2006 17:02:06] <ecn> my completely unbiased answer is that it's the best network manager ever 8-)
[02-Aug-2006 17:02:13] <korozion> we do a lot of python work, and django work too
[02-Aug-2006 17:02:15] <korozion> heh :)
[02-Aug-2006 17:03:06] *** ecn changes topic to "new Zenoss release today!"
[02-Aug-2006 17:03:24] <ecn> gotta go... send bug reports to the mailing list... I'll be on later
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[02-Aug-2006 17:07:50] * korozion wonders how to upgrade ...
[02-Aug-2006
17:08:58] <creiht> korozion: You should be able to run the
install.sh script as the zenoss user and it will automatically upgrade
[02-Aug-2006 17:11:39] <creiht> korozion: And I bet you will be very pleased with zenoss
[02-Aug-2006 17:22:02] <korozion> Ooo, nice
[02-Aug-2006 17:22:04] <korozion> 1 sec
[02-Aug-2006 17:22:20] <korozion> err, so just download the new zenoss install then run install.sh ?
[02-Aug-2006 17:22:54] <korozion> and what is the new version, is it released as of now
[02-Aug-2006 17:25:37] <creiht> .22.0
[02-Aug-2006 17:25:40] <creiht> I think
[02-Aug-2006 17:25:57] <korozion> .21.1 is still listed on the web site, so I'll wait a few :)
[02-Aug-2006 17:26:11] <creiht> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/zenoss-0.22
[02-Aug-2006 17:26:11] <adytum-bot> Title: zenoss-0.22 - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[02-Aug-2006 17:26:11] <creiht> Has upgrade instructions
[02-Aug-2006 17:26:25] <korozion> nice, thanks
[02-Aug-2006 17:27:14] <creiht> download is
[02-Aug-2006 17:27:28] <creiht> http://dev.zenoss.org/downloads/zenoss-0.22.1.tar.gz
[02-Aug-2006
17:28:01] <creiht> I just upgraded, and it went pretty well, but
it probably isn't a bad idea to wait a bit :)
[02-Aug-2006 17:28:09] <korozion> :)
[02-Aug-2006 17:28:19] <korozion> it's in a testing env. so no worries
[02-Aug-2006 17:28:47] <korozion> I like that you picked a different port
[02-Aug-2006 17:28:59] <korozion> I had to change the port manually because of my existing zope install
[02-Aug-2006
17:29:35] <korozion> I'd like to change the install script, based
on Debian, so the packages are installed from apt, rather than source
[02-Aug-2006 17:30:13] <creiht> I'm not a dev... just another user :)
[02-Aug-2006 17:30:45] <creiht> There was a guy that was working on on a debian package
[02-Aug-2006 17:30:52] <creiht> I'm not sure what happened to that though
[02-Aug-2006 17:31:08] <korozion> last I heard, they needed more help
[02-Aug-2006 17:31:18] <korozion> I was just going to try it, document it, and submit it
[02-Aug-2006 17:31:49] <creiht> cool
[02-Aug-2006 17:34:36] <korozion> however, it's summer and hot
[02-Aug-2006 17:34:39] <korozion> so there's beer
[02-Aug-2006 17:34:48] <korozion> therefor my productivity is low ;)
[02-Aug-2006 17:34:56] <creiht> hehe
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[03-Aug-2006 10:38:00] <aurel> hello help
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[03-Aug-2006 10:43:56] <aurel> :)
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[03-Aug-2006 10:58:11] <creiht> aurel: What do you need help with?
[03-Aug-2006 11:15:49] <aurel> mm
[03-Aug-2006 11:16:08] <aurel> still the same questions
[03-Aug-2006 11:16:17] <aurel> monitoring processes and services
[03-Aug-2006 11:16:27] <aurel> services i know i have to use zenwin
[03-Aug-2006 11:16:31] <aurel> but processes
[03-Aug-2006 11:16:38] <aurel> regex seems not ok for me
[03-Aug-2006 11:17:35] <aurel> :(
[03-Aug-2006 11:32:40] <aurel> where can we find the results of zenwin ?
[03-Aug-2006 11:32:42] <aurel> please
[03-Aug-2006 11:33:37] <creiht> aurel: Oh sorry... I don't use that part so I'm not much hellp there
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[03-Aug-2006
14:42:22] <creiht> aurel: If you are still here... I actually
started monitoring processes on a windows box today
[03-Aug-2006 14:42:41] <creiht> The process that I wanted to monitor was called dllhost.exe
[03-Aug-2006 14:42:53] <creiht> So I created a new process called dllhost.exe
[03-Aug-2006 14:43:16] <creiht> I recollected the configuration of the windows box
[03-Aug-2006 14:43:45] <creiht> And now under the OS tab, I have an OS Processes section
[03-Aug-2006 14:43:53] <creiht> Which shows the dllhost.exe
[03-Aug-2006 14:44:03] <creiht> And when I click on it, I see the performance graphs
[03-Aug-2006
14:56:09] <Raul> Anyone know if I can have discover organize by
devices for me based on the OS that is installed, rather than haviing
them all go into "Discoverd"?
[03-Aug-2006 14:56:33] <edahl> raul: not today
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[03-Aug-2006 15:56:32] <creiht> edahl: I just ran into something that is a little confusing at first
[03-Aug-2006 15:56:56] <creiht> I'm monitoring several processes now on windows boxes
[03-Aug-2006 15:57:15] <creiht> And some of them are using hardly any CPU, but the values show up as
[03-Aug-2006 15:57:34] <creiht> cur:71.35m avg:20.96m max:98.36m
[03-Aug-2006
15:58:01] <creiht> At first I didn't notice the m at the end, and
thought the graphs were not showing up for some reason
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[03-Aug-2006 15:58:31] <creiht> It would be nicer to show something like .07 % instead
[03-Aug-2006 15:58:56] <creiht> edahl_: hehe... Well I'm guessing now that you missed everything that I just typed in :)
[03-Aug-2006 15:59:52] <edahl_> yep
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[03-Aug-2006 15:59:59] <edahl_> internet died
[03-Aug-2006 16:00:07] <creiht> creiht: edahl: I just ran into something that is a little confusing at first
[03-Aug-2006 16:00:07] <creiht> [2:56pm] creiht: I'm monitoring several processes now on windows boxes
[03-Aug-2006 16:00:07] <creiht> [2:57pm] creiht: And some of them are using hardly any CPU, but the values show up as
[03-Aug-2006 16:00:07] <creiht> [2:57pm] creiht: cur:71.35m avg:20.96m max:98.36m
[03-Aug-2006
16:00:08] <creiht> [2:58pm] creiht: At first I didn't notice the
m at the end, and thought the graphs were not showing up for some reason
[03-Aug-2006 16:00:22] <creiht> creiht: It would be nicer to show something like .07 % instead
[03-Aug-2006 16:00:36] <edahl_> yes that is an rrd thing
[03-Aug-2006 16:00:50] <creiht> ahhh
[03-Aug-2006 16:00:52] <edahl_> not sure how to stop it
[03-Aug-2006 16:01:14] <creiht> gotcha... It's not a real biggie, just a bit confusing at first
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[03-Aug-2006 16:01:57] <edahl_> yes
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[03-Aug-2006 18:23:45] <landonf> Howdy
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[04-Aug-2006
00:02:42] <Raul> aaaauugh, I created an rrd template with 30
datasources and 5 graphs which are only applicable to one specif
devices. Now I need to re-ip the device, there doesn't seem to be a way
to re-ip and a device or transfer an rrd template to a new device. What
can I do?
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[04-Aug-2006
09:49:20] <rputzler> I'd like to integrate my Inventory Control
system and CRM systems with zenoss. Is the database schema available?
Internal database is used I don't see much being stored in mysql.
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[04-Aug-2006
11:07:46] <creiht> edahl: So another interesting problem.... I'm
monitoring a process on a windows box, and part of the parameter list
is a process identifier for another process
[04-Aug-2006 11:08:01] <creiht> Thus each time it restarts the "fingerprint" for the process changes
[04-Aug-2006 11:08:26] <creiht> And I have to re-collect the device to get it to get the new process
[04-Aug-2006 11:08:47] <edahl> yuck
[04-Aug-2006 11:08:57] <creiht> yeah
[04-Aug-2006 11:09:26] <creiht> The process looks like:
[04-Aug-2006
11:09:27] <creiht> w3wp.exe -a
\\.\pipe\iisipm87ea3d23-d50e-4ae8-883c-a9e0c7c38f74 -t 20 -ap
"DefaultAppPool"
[04-Aug-2006 11:09:29] <edahl> not sure how to fix that
[04-Aug-2006 11:10:18] <edahl> can it be identified without the args
[04-Aug-2006 11:10:26] <creiht> yeah
[04-Aug-2006 11:10:34] <creiht> it's just w3wp.exe :)
[04-Aug-2006 11:10:47] <edahl> ok I will put a bug in for an option to match only process name
[04-Aug-2006 11:10:57] <creiht> that would be cool
[04-Aug-2006 11:10:59] <creiht> thanks
[04-Aug-2006 11:12:19] <edahl> #236
[04-Aug-2006
11:13:50] <rputzler> Is there any thing in zenoss that makes
monitoring switches easy? I'd like to get port statistics on all my
switches.
[04-Aug-2006 11:15:14] <edahl> should work
[04-Aug-2006
11:16:05] <edahl> rputzler: from earlier question model is stored
in zeo "schema" files are in $ZENHOME/Products/ZenModel
[04-Aug-2006 11:17:15] <rputzler> Thanks!
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[04-Aug-2006
12:20:16] <jeffneradka> does anyone know what "localhost zenagios
/Status/Heartbeat localhost zenagios heartbeat failure" means? i
searched the mail list and didnt find it
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[04-Aug-2006 12:37:29] <giesen> I cant load any mib files
[04-Aug-2006 12:37:34] <giesen> can anyone help me out
[04-Aug-2006 12:40:44] <rputzler> bin/zenmib <mib file> worked for me.
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[04-Aug-2006 13:27:56] <giesen> yeah I get errors
[04-Aug-2006 13:28:27] <giesen> zenoss@netmon01 /data/zenoss/share/mibs/site $ zenmib run CPQCMC-MIB.mib
[04-Aug-2006 13:28:27] <giesen> ERROR:zen.zenmib:Failed to load mib: CPQCMC-MIB.mib
[04-Aug-2006 13:29:22] <giesen> tried it with 3 diff mib files
[04-Aug-2006 13:29:31] <giesen> so either I'm doing something systematically wrong
[04-Aug-2006 13:29:33] <giesen> or it's broken.
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[04-Aug-2006 14:23:35] <landonf> Mornin'
[04-Aug-2006 14:23:56] <landonf> edahl: Around?
[04-Aug-2006 14:25:46] <edahl> yep
[04-Aug-2006
14:26:48] <landonf> Howdy. So Jonathan (fellow on my team working
on the xmlrpc stuff) has something that's working, needs a bit of
cleanup. We're using it to monitor our game server load now.
[04-Aug-2006 14:27:00] <edahl> cool
[04-Aug-2006
14:27:06] <landonf> The next thing on my list to look at is
implementing LDAP authentication, was wondering if you had any thoughts
on that front.
[04-Aug-2006 14:27:23] <edahl> should be zope products that do this
[04-Aug-2006 14:27:27] <edahl> I haven't done it yet
[04-Aug-2006 14:28:04] <landonf> eg http://sourceforge.net/projects/zldapadapter/ ?
[04-Aug-2006 14:28:04] <adytum-bot> Title: SourceForge.net: ZOPE LDAP adapter product (at sourceforge.net)
[04-Aug-2006 14:29:09] <edahl> looks a little old
[04-Aug-2006 14:29:25] <edahl> but that's what you want
[04-Aug-2006 14:29:51] <edahl> might ask on zope-dev what the solution is
[04-Aug-2006
14:30:50] <landonf> Amiditly this is the first zope-based project
I've ever even looked at, so apologies for dumb questions.
[04-Aug-2006
14:34:41] <oubiwann_> landonf: I did LDAP authentication a couple
years ago for a client that was running Zope
[04-Aug-2006 14:34:57] <oubiwann> it was really straight-forward
[04-Aug-2006 14:35:14] <oubiwann> I even had it authenticating against AD
[04-Aug-2006 14:35:33] <oubiwann> edahl is right: there's a Zope product for this
[04-Aug-2006
14:36:23] <landonf> Didn't realize that authentication business
could drop in, I was truthfully gearing up to write some code.
[04-Aug-2006 14:36:25] <oubiwann> if I remember correctly, the product extends the Group User Folder in Zope
[04-Aug-2006
14:37:32] <oubiwann> so basically all you have to do is make the
appropriate entries in the ZMI management screen for your LDAP stuff
[04-Aug-2006 14:45:31] <oubiwann> I'm not sure if this is the one I used, but it should probably do what you want:
[04-Aug-2006 14:45:51] <oubiwann> http://plone.org/products/ldapuserfolder
[04-Aug-2006 14:46:38] <landonf> Cheers, I'll take a look. Need to do some more reading on Zope too.
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[04-Aug-2006
14:53:35] <oubiwann> landonf: the quick and dirty would be to
download the LDAP User Folder product, untar it and put the Products
folder and restart zope
[04-Aug-2006 14:53:45] <leplast> edahl: I have a good first draft of the xmlrpc perf code
[04-Aug-2006 14:53:51] <edahl> cool
[04-Aug-2006 14:54:05] <leplast> a few questions re: status
[04-Aug-2006 14:54:07] <oubiwann> landonf: then you'd need to go to the ZMI and work with it there
[04-Aug-2006 14:54:29] <edahl> ok
[04-Aug-2006
14:54:30] <leplast> it looks like the right move would be to have
an eventClass of /Status/XmlRpc for xmlrpc threshold events
[04-Aug-2006 14:55:03] <leplast> rather /Perf/XmlRpc
[04-Aug-2006 14:55:05] <edahl> i'm actually going to add a field to rrdtheshold to input the class I thihnk
[04-Aug-2006 14:55:31] <edahl> are you tracking time series data or just up/down
[04-Aug-2006
14:56:02] <leplast> so the question is how to handle /Status.. it
looks like this is more a device specific event, so I am thinking that
/Status/Ping or /Status/Snmp might just continue to work for xmlrpc
[04-Aug-2006 14:56:42] <leplast> so the way we have implemented so far, is that RRD data sources now have a sourcetype
[04-Aug-2006 14:56:46] <leplast> either SNMP or XMLRPC
[04-Aug-2006 14:56:48] <edahl> /Status is for up/down events
[04-Aug-2006 14:57:06] <edahl> right
[04-Aug-2006 14:57:16] <leplast> and then for xmlrpc we have a url
[04-Aug-2006 14:57:18] <leplast> and a methodname
[04-Aug-2006 14:57:38] <leplast> so the results of an xml query might not necessarily be tied to the actual device
[04-Aug-2006
14:57:57] <leplast> as the url could potentially be associated
with another device. I mean most people will be using URLs associated
with the actual device
[04-Aug-2006 14:58:14] <leplast> but a lack of response from a URL doesn't necessarily mean the device is down
[04-Aug-2006
14:58:53] <leplast> so then a status event for an xmlrpc url
would actually mean that that url was not accessible/down
[04-Aug-2006 14:58:56] <leplast> not the actual device
[04-Aug-2006 14:59:07] <leplast> so what makes the most sense in terms of how to send that alert?
[04-Aug-2006
15:01:57] <landonf> The conversation we had here was that even if
you can point URLs at different devices, if you do such a thing, you're
off in the woods and it's not our concern. IMHO a lack of response on a
URL that is attached to device signals a down event.
[04-Aug-2006 15:02:30] <edahl> /Status/XmlRpc sounds good for up/down of url
[04-Aug-2006 15:02:44] <leplast> alright sounds good
[04-Aug-2006 15:03:16] <edahl> are you logging data from calls to rrd files?
[04-Aug-2006 15:03:21] <edahl> return data that is
[04-Aug-2006 15:03:24] <leplast> yes
[04-Aug-2006 15:03:33] <edahl> are you going to have thresholds on that?
[04-Aug-2006 15:03:36] <edahl> data
[04-Aug-2006 15:03:38] <leplast> yes
[04-Aug-2006 15:03:40] <edahl> cool
[04-Aug-2006 15:03:48] <leplast> I used zenperfsnmp as the model
[04-Aug-2006 15:03:52] <edahl> perfect
[04-Aug-2006 15:04:44] <edahl> is it called zenperfx
[04-Aug-2006 15:04:45] <edahl> ?
[04-Aug-2006 15:04:46] <edahl> :)
[04-Aug-2006 15:04:51] <leplast> zenperfxmlrpc
[04-Aug-2006 15:04:55] <edahl> sound sgood
[04-Aug-2006 15:05:17] <leplast> but wordy, but specific
[04-Aug-2006 15:05:20] <leplast> er bit
[04-Aug-2006
15:07:09] <landonf> One other problem we're not immediately
addressing is that a given XMLRPC method might return more than a
single numeric value. We were considering a plugin interface -- the
plugin is passed the result of the XML-RPC method call, and it's up to
the plugin to return a simple value.
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[04-Aug-2006 15:18:18] <giesen> edahl: I'm having issues loading MIB files with zenmib
[04-Aug-2006 15:18:26] <giesen> any chance you could spare a couple mins?
[04-Aug-2006 15:18:58] <giesen> zenoss@netmon01 /data/zenoss/share/mibs/site $ zenmib run
[04-Aug-2006 15:19:23] <giesen> zenoss@netmon01 /data/zenoss/share/mibs/site $ zenmib run CPQCMC-MIB.mib
[04-Aug-2006 15:19:27] <giesen> ERROR:zen.zenmib:Failed to load mib: CPQCMC-MIB.mib
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[04-Aug-2006
15:24:59] <edahl> landonf: we had that problem with nagios as
well that's why we didn't do the perf stuff for nagios plugins
[04-Aug-2006 15:25:07] <edahl> which can have more than one return value
[04-Aug-2006 15:25:19] <edahl> need to go to a meeting but we should discuss more
[04-Aug-2006 16:09:16] <landonf> OK (back from lunch)
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[05-Aug-2006 23:14:34] <overworked554> hello
[05-Aug-2006 23:21:15] <overworked554> how can i change the email address that alerts are sent from?
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[06-Aug-2006
10:40:52] <Steven6040> hey, I have a problem with zenwin -
http://rafb.net/paste/results/UBtxOi94.html anyone got any ideas?
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[06-Aug-2006 15:00:56] <giesen> how the heck do you use the new nagios plugin functionality
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[07-Aug-2006 05:08:01] <asaf> hello everyone
[07-Aug-2006 05:10:11] <benzopila> hello
[07-Aug-2006 05:11:36] <asaf> i have been looking for a good NMS and i think Zenoss fits the bill
[07-Aug-2006 05:13:27] <asaf> any idea about the hardware resource requirements to manage a large network
[07-Aug-2006 05:14:56] <benzopila> how mach large?
[07-Aug-2006 05:16:25] <asaf> say 1000 nodes
[07-Aug-2006 05:16:31] <asaf> heterogenous
[07-Aug-2006 05:16:47] <asaf> any idea on server memory sizing? other resources
[07-Aug-2006
05:18:22] <benzopila> i'm trying to set up zenoss at server whis
Intel Xeon in, for ~ 4000-4500 hosts and 50-70 nodes( switches, routers
and servers)
[07-Aug-2006 05:20:15] <benzopila> I realy don't know how it will work (:
[07-Aug-2006 05:24:16] <asaf> hmmm...need to visit the mail archives to see details
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[07-Aug-2006 09:43:35] <GreesMunky> what is version number of new release?
[07-Aug-2006 09:45:02] <GreesMunky> ps ax
[07-Aug-2006 09:51:39] <zaf> 0.22.1
[07-Aug-2006 09:51:52] *** zaf changes topic to "new Zenoss release today! || Current Version: 0.22.1"
[07-Aug-2006 09:52:03] <GreesMunky> Thanks ;-)
[07-Aug-2006 09:57:58] <edahl> giesen: there are some docs in the admin guide for the nagios stuff
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[07-Aug-2006
10:31:33] <dhopp> I keep getting a heartbeat failure for zenagios
but $ZENHOME/bin/zenagios status says it's running and I can see it in
out put of ps
[07-Aug-2006 10:32:05] <dhopp> I'm not using
zenagios yet, but it's kind of annoying so I'm trying to figure out why
this is happening
[07-Aug-2006 10:43:51] <GreesMunky> I have
installed zenoss. According to the docs I should do a zenping start but
it errors out
[07-Aug-2006 10:51:45] <dhopp> GreesMunky: have you setup sudo? zenping has to be run as root
[07-Aug-2006 10:52:42] <GreesMunky> de documentation is a little lacking with regard to sudoers
[07-Aug-2006 10:53:09] <GreesMunky> /usr/local/zenoss/bin/python,/bin/kill,/usr/local/
[07-Aug-2006 10:53:10] <GreesMunky> zenoss/bin/zopectl,/usr/local/zenoss/bin/zeoctl
[07-Aug-2006 10:53:26] <GreesMunky> is what I have in sudoers
[07-Aug-2006 10:54:17] <GreesMunky> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenStatus/zenping.py", line 22, in ?
[07-Aug-2006 10:54:19] <GreesMunky> import Globals # make zope imports work
[07-Aug-2006 10:54:20] <GreesMunky> ImportError: No module named Globals
[07-Aug-2006 10:54:48] <GreesMunky> zenping gives above error after adjusting sudoers file
[07-Aug-2006 10:55:26] <GreesMunky> gotta run. 5 o clock here and time for the train
[07-Aug-2006 10:55:30] <GreesMunky> later all
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[07-Aug-2006
11:32:29] <stuart_> hullo, I've got the vmware image of zenoss.
But on connection via a web browser on port 8080 its asking for a
username and passwd. I've tried zenoss with no luck. Anything else I
can try?
[07-Aug-2006 11:34:08] <stuart_> anyone?
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[07-Aug-2006
13:37:04] <gumpa> Howdy. I have nothing listed in
zport/dmd/Manufacturers, and zenload -i ../manufacturers.xml hangs
[07-Aug-2006 13:37:26] <gumpa> troubleshooting suggestions?
[07-Aug-2006 13:46:17] <gumpa> zenload hangs -> ctrl-c -> message: INFO:zen.ImportRM:Daemon ImportRM shutting down
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[07-Aug-2006 16:10:25] <edahl> stuart_: login is admin : zenoss
[07-Aug-2006 16:11:03] <edahl> gumpa: run zenload with -v10 you will get output as to what its doing.
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[07-Aug-2006
16:17:21] <fsweetser> hey all. I'm currently using nagios, but
I've gotten frustrated with it's very simple dependencies. what kind of
dependency relationships cna zenoss handle?
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[07-Aug-2006 17:11:12] <arne2> anyone here?
[07-Aug-2006
17:12:35] <steven_> im trying to install zenoss 0.21.0 but i get
errors when it's compiling zope in AccessControl any ideas ?
[07-Aug-2006 17:13:18] <steven_> id paste the specific errors but i can't seem to get on to pastebin ?
[07-Aug-2006 17:13:24] <steven_> yet
[07-Aug-2006 17:13:51] <arne2> I'm installing zenoss on fc5 ... I get 'unable to install MySQL event tables'
[07-Aug-2006 17:14:12] <steven_> maybe a mysql permission problem ?
[07-Aug-2006 17:14:29] <arne2> any ideas? I think it's a mysql5.22 issue...but not sure
[07-Aug-2006 17:15:00] <steven_> mysql Ver 14.12 Distrib 5.0.22, for pc-linux-gnu (i486) using readline 5.1
[07-Aug-2006 17:15:08] <steven_> mine worked fine past that stage
[07-Aug-2006 17:15:18] <arne2> on fc5?
[07-Aug-2006 17:15:38] <steven_> no but i would guess it wasn't a distribution problem
[07-Aug-2006 17:15:55] <steven_> try and see if it created the database at all ?
[07-Aug-2006 17:16:07] <arne2> yes it creats events
[07-Aug-2006 17:16:35] <steven_> does it create a zenbuild.log file with output maybe that will lead to clues ?
[07-Aug-2006 17:17:05] <steven_> i gotta go but ill be back trying to fix my error lol
[07-Aug-2006 17:17:07] <arne2> yes the last 2 lines are here...
[07-Aug-2006 17:17:10] <arne2> ERROR 1359 (HY000) at line 79: Trigger already exists
[07-Aug-2006 17:17:11] <arne2> ERROR 1146 (42S02) at line 4: Table 'mysql.proc' doesn't exist
[07-Aug-2006
17:17:49] <steven_> All i can say quickly is look at the code in
the install.sh file that creates mysql.proc table and try to run it
manually
[07-Aug-2006 17:18:00] <steven_> l8rs
[07-Aug-2006 17:18:05] <arne2> thx!
[07-Aug-2006 17:22:16] <arne2> hello everyone
[07-Aug-2006 17:22:19] <arne2> ?
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[07-Aug-2006 17:38:22] <arne2> I find an error about sudoer ... perhaps it's that..
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[07-Aug-2006 17:54:28] <arne2> nope
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[07-Aug-2006 18:03:05] <arne2> ERROR 1146 (42S02) at line 4: Table 'mysql.proc' doesn't exist
[07-Aug-2006 18:03:08] <arne2> anyone
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[08-Aug-2006 03:49:05] <giesen> you guys may want to update the link to the release notes on the download page
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[08-Aug-2006 12:25:00] <arne2> anyone there...?
[08-Aug-2006 12:25:16] <arne2> my install does this...
[08-Aug-2006 12:25:32] <arne2> unable to install MySQL event tables
[08-Aug-2006 12:28:10] <oubiwann> arne2: are you on the zenoss users mail list?
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[08-Aug-2006 12:33:24] <arne2> nope
[08-Aug-2006 12:33:42] <arne2> here I go...
[08-Aug-2006 12:36:39] <oubiwann> arne2: cool, here's the reason I asked:
[08-Aug-2006 12:37:06] <oubiwann> arne2: you need to send us (as an attachment) your zenbuild.log file
[08-Aug-2006 12:52:00] <arne2> ok... here's the last 2 lines
[08-Aug-2006 12:52:04] <arne2> ERROR 1359 (HY000) at line 79: Trigger already exists
[08-Aug-2006 12:52:04] <arne2> ERROR 1146 (42S02) at line 4: Table 'mysql.proc' doesn't exist
[08-Aug-2006 12:52:19] <arne2> it's a FC5 all yummed up
[08-Aug-2006 12:53:00] <arne2> seems to be a mysql thing... maybe a bug..
[08-Aug-2006 12:55:20] <arne2> all paths seems to point to the ENGINE=INNODB; line in zenevents.sql
[08-Aug-2006 12:55:48] <oubiwann> what version of mysql are you using?
[08-Aug-2006 12:56:15] <oubiwann> also, could you send the zenbuild.log to the mail list?
[08-Aug-2006 13:03:11] <arne2> Server version 5.0.22
[08-Aug-2006 13:03:12] <arne2> Protocol version 10
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[08-Aug-2006 14:03:59] <arne2> ok i posted to the use zenoss-user mail list
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[08-Aug-2006
14:12:59] <socialist> I may be missing this in the docs, but is
there a way to bulk-add devices, like a mass import or subnet scan?
[08-Aug-2006 14:13:31] <socialist> oh duh I think I found it
[08-Aug-2006 14:13:47] <socialist> nevermind, found it
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[08-Aug-2006 15:27:35] <arne2> hmm... I don't see my post on the list...
[08-Aug-2006 15:35:59] <oubiwann> arne2: neither do I ;-)
[08-Aug-2006 15:43:33] <arne2> hmmm must be the attachment...
[08-Aug-2006 15:43:54] <arne2> if I include the log it'll be pretty big post...
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[08-Aug-2006 15:55:35] <arne2> ok i did the post...
[08-Aug-2006 15:55:48] <arne2> and I see it in the list...
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[08-Aug-2006 16:56:15] <socialist> are "twsnmp.protocol Bad response from...." errors seomthing to worry about?
[08-Aug-2006 16:56:45] <socialist> warnings I should say
[08-Aug-2006 16:56:59] <ecn> yes... it means that the program cannot decipher the SNMP data
[08-Aug-2006 16:57:15] <ecn> are they coming from a 64-bit machine?
[08-Aug-2006 16:57:16] <socialist> hm, why would that be
[08-Aug-2006 16:57:19] <socialist> yes
[08-Aug-2006 16:57:28] <ecn> bingo... broken SNMP agent
[08-Aug-2006 16:57:41] <ecn> sending us nice 64-bit IP addresses
[08-Aug-2006 16:58:07] <ecn> there's a patch to make some of these go away in the next release
[08-Aug-2006 16:58:13] <socialist> hm so that would explain the subsequent modeler timeout?
[08-Aug-2006 16:58:19] <ecn> I've sent it out in the mailing list if you want to go through the archives
[08-Aug-2006 16:58:23] <ecn> yes
[08-Aug-2006 16:59:00] <socialist> what was the subject? I was looking around before but I didn't see anything
[08-Aug-2006 16:59:08] <socialist> oh wait, users or annouce?
[08-Aug-2006 16:59:37] <ecn> bad protocol error
[08-Aug-2006 16:59:41] <ecn> -users
[08-Aug-2006 16:59:57] <socialist> got it, thanks
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[08-Aug-2006 17:04:38] <socialist> holy monkeycrap
[08-Aug-2006 17:04:44] <socialist> yeah that works a little better
[08-Aug-2006 17:05:11] <ecn> holy monkeycrap: yeah that works a little better
[08-Aug-2006 17:05:19] <ecn> best thing I've heard all day
[08-Aug-2006 17:05:31] <socialist> harhar
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[08-Aug-2006 22:54:27] <Shazburg> Good evenin'. Anyone got a sec for a quick question?
[08-Aug-2006 23:06:50] <Shazburg> Wait! Hold your responses: I've solved it myself.
[08-Aug-2006
23:07:32] <Shazburg> For the record (if this is being logged),
the install notes make no mention that subversion must be installed
regardless of whether you install from the tarball or from a trunk
checkout.
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[09-Aug-2006 02:35:28] <benzopila> hello!
[09-Aug-2006
02:39:10] <benzopila> servises zenxevent, zenping, zensyslog,
zenactions, zenstatus, zentrap don't want to start by "./zenoss start".
Anybody know?
[09-Aug-2006 02:39:43] <benzopila> they are in sudoers file, but they don't want to start
[09-Aug-2006 02:40:39] <benzopila> zopectl, zenmodeler, zenperfsnmp, zenprocess, zenagios started good
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[09-Aug-2006 06:08:03] <benzopila> hi!
[09-Aug-2006 06:08:29] <benzopila> have anybody started zenoss on FreeBSD?
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[09-Aug-2006 09:25:03] <jeffneradka> hi, i have a quick question please
[09-Aug-2006
09:25:13] <jeffneradka> i have a server, where some development
is going on, and they are messing with the smtp. I would like to stop
being notified of that service going up and down, but i can not find
where i can set an ignore just for that 1 service on that 1 machine
[09-Aug-2006 09:25:26] <jeffneradka> but i cant see where to make t hat setting
[09-Aug-2006 09:26:46] <jeffneradka> ahhh i found it, nevermind
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[09-Aug-2006 13:11:01] <Shazburg> Anyone in here this time?
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[09-Aug-2006 13:14:07] <Shazburg> Any pointers on why graphviz might fail to compile?
[09-Aug-2006 13:14:41] <Shazburg> Anyone? Anyone? Voodoo economics.
[09-Aug-2006 13:23:23] <oubiwann> Shazburg: there are a million reasons why a compile would fail ;-)
[09-Aug-2006 13:23:50] <oubiwann> Shazburg: but for us to help, we'll need more details
[09-Aug-2006 13:24:18] <oubiwann> Shazburg: you can paste erros and script output here:
[09-Aug-2006 13:24:29] <oubiwann> http://pastebin.adytum.us/
[09-Aug-2006 13:24:30] <adytum-bot> Title: AdytumSolutions Pastebin (at pastebin.adytum.us)
[09-Aug-2006 13:24:41] <Shazburg> Of course. And thanks for responding.
[09-Aug-2006 13:24:57] <oubiwann> and you can send your zenbuild.log to the mail list, if needed
[09-Aug-2006
13:26:23] <Shazburg> I did just find a similar posting on the
mailing list that I'd overlooked before. I'm going to run with that for
the moment and see how that pans out.
[09-Aug-2006 13:26:34] <oubiwann> also, you may want to check out these messages on the mail list:
[09-Aug-2006 13:26:48] <oubiwann> http://lists.zenoss.org/pipermail/zenoss-users/2006/001098.html
[09-Aug-2006 13:27:17] <oubiwann> http://lists.zenoss.org/pipermail/zenoss-users/2006/001102.html
[09-Aug-2006 13:27:31] <Shazburg> That first one! That's my problem!
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[09-Aug-2006 13:28:48] <oubiwann> Shazburg: cool -- then that should take care of it for you ;-)
[09-Aug-2006 13:29:10] <Shazburg> Thank you very much.
[09-Aug-2006 13:29:25] <oubiwann> np ;-)
[09-Aug-2006 13:39:09] <Shazburg> Am I correct in thinking that Zenoss is built on nagios?
[09-Aug-2006 13:39:31] <oubiwann> no! not at all, thank goodness!
[09-Aug-2006 13:39:46] <oubiwann> we've just recently added support for nagios plugins, though
[09-Aug-2006 13:40:00] <Shazburg> Ah.
[09-Aug-2006 13:40:17] <oubiwann> I think it's fair to say that zenoss is far more scalable than nagios
[09-Aug-2006 13:40:27] <Shazburg> That's why there's the "nagios" and "nagios-plugins" compiles.
[09-Aug-2006 13:40:41] <oubiwann> and provides a much more comprehensive set of tools for managing network resources
[09-Aug-2006 13:41:03] <oubiwann> Shazburg: yup -- just there for the Nagios plugins support
[09-Aug-2006
13:41:14] <Shazburg> I'm really looking forward to running
Zenoss. I've used nagios before and was always frustrated by the
configuration method.
[09-Aug-2006 13:41:24] <oubiwann> heh, indeed
[09-Aug-2006
13:45:12] <Shazburg> Now if I'm reading these mail posts right, I
should just run ./install again once graphviz is finished compiling,
correct?
[09-Aug-2006 13:46:15] <Shazburg> Or should I "make clean" first?
[09-Aug-2006 13:46:41] <oubiwann> no need to make clean
[09-Aug-2006 13:46:47] <Shazburg> Groovy.
[09-Aug-2006
14:19:01] <zaf> would it be a good idea to make a new production
state for devices that are production, but non-critical? for example,
printers that I have collected from snmp?
[09-Aug-2006 14:20:39] <zaf> .....and how would i do that? heh
[09-Aug-2006
14:21:08] <oubiwann> zaf: it's my understanding that the
production state of the boxes is metadata intended to facilitate SLAs,
but Erik is the one that came up with that originally, so he can speak
to that
[09-Aug-2006 14:22:06] <oubiwann> zaf: so it really
depends on the business model... you have printers that are
"production"?
[09-Aug-2006 14:22:31] <zaf> i'm monitoring networks that belong to many companies
[09-Aug-2006
14:23:00] <zaf> i want to be alerted when things like servers and
firewalls go down, but i dont care about printers. it's nice having the
printers in there to see their stats, etc, though
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[09-Aug-2006 14:25:11] <zaf> in general, i want to be able to make certain devices more important than others
[09-Aug-2006
14:25:11] <oubiwann> zaf: for me personally, I'd not put them in
production state... regardless, this goes back to your question :-) and
yes, I think it's a good idea to separate into a different "prod state"
[09-Aug-2006
14:26:09] <zaf> i agree there. it just seems to be that there
should be different levfels of production state
[09-Aug-2006 14:26:17] <zaf> er, levels
[09-Aug-2006 14:26:29] <oubiwann> zaf: have you considered using Groups?
[09-Aug-2006 14:26:43] <oubiwann> and/or Systems?
[09-Aug-2006 14:26:52] <zaf> hmm
[09-Aug-2006 14:27:05] <zaf> that's worth thinking about
[09-Aug-2006 14:27:07] <oubiwann> All of these (even the prod state) are on the Device Edit tab
[09-Aug-2006
14:27:35] <zaf> is there any real difference between 'group' and
'system' other than different ways of organizing things?
[09-Aug-2006
14:28:11] <oubiwann> I'm not sure what Erik had in mind exactly
when he added those, but they are blank canvases and I think you can
pretty much do what ever you want with them
[09-Aug-2006 14:28:44] <zaf> i'll give that a try, thanks
[09-Aug-2006
14:28:45] <oubiwann> given the little that I know about your
setup, I might use the "Systems" one over the "Groups"
[09-Aug-2006
14:29:19] <zaf> what i'm thinking of doing is using Groups to
categorize how important I think a device's status is
[09-Aug-2006 14:29:39] <oubiwann> that sounds great :-)
[09-Aug-2006
14:29:46] <zaf> a printer or pc will be very low, a branch office
firewall will be higher, and a central vpn concentrator will be highest
[09-Aug-2006 14:38:35] <zaf> now i need a way to bulk-edit all these devices, heh
[09-Aug-2006 14:45:03] <zaf> are there any docs on using zendmd?
[09-Aug-2006 15:04:00] <oubiwann> zaf: I actually don't know
[09-Aug-2006 15:04:08] <oubiwann> but I do know a little about it
[09-Aug-2006 15:04:21] <oubiwann> I use it for testing, so feel free to ask questions
[09-Aug-2006 15:04:29] <oubiwann> and I'll do my best to answer :-)
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[09-Aug-2006 15:33:39] <zaf> hrm
[09-Aug-2006 15:33:45] <zaf> hrm
[09-Aug-2006 15:34:06] <zaf> erik may know :)
[09-Aug-2006 15:34:24] <zaf> edahl, is there any way to bulk-change the group membership of devices
[09-Aug-2006 15:35:20] <zaf> like in zendmd, could i modify the properties of a device?
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[09-Aug-2006
16:24:07] <jeffneradka> do you recommend disabling sun's snmp
daemons and installing net-snmp or some other agent? im getting alot of
bad oid messages on the default perf oid
[09-Aug-2006 16:42:46] <edahl> zaf: you can modify properties of a device in zendmd
[09-Aug-2006 16:42:59] <edahl> be carefull though you can mess things up
[09-Aug-2006 16:43:08] <edahl> you must commit after changes
[09-Aug-2006 16:43:09] <zaf> including the group it's in?
[09-Aug-2006 16:43:35] <edahl> yes one sec for example
[09-Aug-2006 16:44:59] <edahl> d=find('yourdevice')
[09-Aug-2006 16:45:31] <edahl> d.setGroups(["/Group1","/Group2"])
[09-Aug-2006 16:45:50] <edahl> for all devices call dmd.Devices.getSubDevices()
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[09-Aug-2006 16:46:02] <edahl> ie
[09-Aug-2006 16:46:09] <edahl> for d in dmd.Devices.getSubDevices()
[09-Aug-2006 16:46:53] <edahl> jeffneradka: we have a default template for net-snmp
[09-Aug-2006 16:47:06] <jeffneradka> right, thats why i was thinking of putting it on the sun boxes
[09-Aug-2006 16:47:08] <edahl> so that's a good bet (I think its pretty good on solaris)
[09-Aug-2006 16:47:13] <jeffneradka> ok
[09-Aug-2006 16:47:22] <edahl> I haven't done this in a while though
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[09-Aug-2006 16:59:21] <GreesMunky> join #opennms
[09-Aug-2006 16:59:45] <zaf> no
[09-Aug-2006 16:59:52] <GreesMunky> sorry, typo
[09-Aug-2006 17:00:03] <GreesMunky> it wasn't a request/recommendation!
[09-Aug-2006 17:00:08] <zaf> i know ;)
[09-Aug-2006 17:00:16] <zaf> just thought it would be funny to say no
[09-Aug-2006 17:01:13] <GreesMunky> it would be a good reason to kick under normal circumstances...
[09-Aug-2006 17:11:58] <zaf> edahl, is there somewhere I can see how devices are addressed?
[09-Aug-2006 17:12:30] <edahl> hum what do you mean?
[09-Aug-2006 17:12:51] <zaf> for example, how would i query all devices under Devices/Printer ?
[09-Aug-2006 17:13:14] <edahl> for d in dmd.Devices.Printer.getSubDevices()
[09-Aug-2006 17:13:23] <edahl> will loop through all devices in Devices/Printer
[09-Aug-2006 17:13:31] <edahl> in zendmd
[09-Aug-2006 17:13:42] <zaf> ah, ha!
[09-Aug-2006 17:13:49] <zaf> cool
[09-Aug-2006 17:14:06] <edahl> you can call it anywhere in the devices tree
[09-Aug-2006 17:14:15] <edahl> to get the devices list from that point
[09-Aug-2006 17:14:39] <edahl> got to jump
[09-Aug-2006 17:14:48] <zaf> k, i'll start from here. thanks :)
[09-Aug-2006 17:14:53] <edahl> cool
[09-Aug-2006 17:20:11] <oubiwann> zaf: also, there's a generator version of that method:
[09-Aug-2006 17:20:18] <oubiwann> getSubDevicesGen()
[09-Aug-2006 17:20:34] <zaf> that 'find()' command, does it just find the first one, or is that some sort of list?
[09-Aug-2006 17:20:40] <oubiwann> in case there are thousands of them and you want to save memory, etc.
[09-Aug-2006
17:22:04] <Shazburg_> oubiwann: Could you post that link for
posting debug output again? I've switched computers and forgot to
bookmark it.
[09-Aug-2006 17:22:22] <oubiwann> yeah, beb
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[09-Aug-2006 17:28:23] <zaf> i get a syntax error with for d in dmd.Devices.Printer.getSubDevices()
[09-Aug-2006 17:29:35] * zaf should learn python
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[09-Aug-2006 17:42:14] <oubiwann> crap, sorry -- that took longer than I thought
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[09-Aug-2006 17:42:22] <Shazburg_> No worries.
[09-Aug-2006 17:42:41] <oubiwann> Shazburg_: sure thing, here's the url:
[09-Aug-2006 17:42:52] <oubiwann> http://pastebin.adytum.us/
[09-Aug-2006 17:42:52] <adytum-bot> Title: AdytumSolutions Pastebin (at pastebin.adytum.us)
[09-Aug-2006 17:43:13] <oubiwann> zaf: find() gets only one
[09-Aug-2006 17:43:20] <Shazburg_> Thank you.
[09-Aug-2006 17:43:39] <oubiwann> zaf and about that code, Erik never finished typing it to you :-)
[09-Aug-2006 17:43:58] <oubiwann> it should be
[09-Aug-2006 17:44:00] <oubiwann> or d in dmd.Devices.Printer.getSubDevices():
[09-Aug-2006 17:44:02] <oubiwann> crap
[09-Aug-2006 17:44:06] <oubiwann> for d in dmd.Devices.Printer.getSubDevices():
[09-Aug-2006 17:44:16] <oubiwann> print d
[09-Aug-2006 17:44:24] <oubiwann> # or do whatever else you want with d
[09-Aug-2006 17:44:38] <oubiwann> the indents are important, if you're not familiar with python
[09-Aug-2006
17:46:51] <oubiwann> hey fellas, I gotta run out to the store and
buy a car battery... and then bring it back home in my backpack on my
bike :-)
[09-Aug-2006 17:46:55] <Shazburg_> Can anyone point me in the right direction for this: http://pastebin.adytum.us/75
[09-Aug-2006 17:46:55] <adytum-bot> Title: AdytumSolutions Pastebin (at pastebin.adytum.us)
[09-Aug-2006 17:47:04] <oubiwann> Housemate killed the car battery
[09-Aug-2006 17:47:21] <oubiwann> Shazburg_: I'll take a quick look, then I gotta go
[09-Aug-2006 17:47:38] <Shazburg_> Groovy! Thank you.
[09-Aug-2006 17:48:13] <oubiwann> Oh, man Eric saw this one recently and Erik (edahl) figured it out... what was it...
[09-Aug-2006 17:48:38] <Shazburg_> Was it on the mailing list?
[09-Aug-2006 17:48:53] <oubiwann> nah, we three were in the same room at the time
[09-Aug-2006 17:49:49] <Shazburg_> Are there logs of this room kept on the site? Probably not.
[09-Aug-2006
17:50:11] <oubiwann> Oh, I think Eric had been doing some
testing... yeah, this was it: he removed some directories in the Zenoss
management interface
[09-Aug-2006 17:50:22] <oubiwann> I think he deleted "Devices" or something and hadn't put it back
[09-Aug-2006 17:50:32] <Shazburg_> He broke Trunk?
[09-Aug-2006 17:50:45] <oubiwann> no, no -- in his own Zenoss instance
[09-Aug-2006 17:50:50] <Shazburg_> Ah.
[09-Aug-2006 17:50:52] <oubiwann> not directories on the filesystem, but in Zope
[09-Aug-2006 17:50:57] <oubiwann> in the Zenoss interface
[09-Aug-2006 17:51:06] <oubiwann> have you removed anything from the interface?
[09-Aug-2006 17:51:26] <Shazburg_> Not a thing. This is the first thing I've tried to do post install.
[09-Aug-2006 17:51:28] <oubiwann> Deleted "Devices" or "Events"
[09-Aug-2006 17:51:30] <oubiwann> hmm
[09-Aug-2006 17:51:42] <oubiwann> What were you trying to do when you got this error?
[09-Aug-2006 17:51:53] <oubiwann> (and yet, there are logs of the chat rooms... getting link)
[09-Aug-2006 17:51:55] <Shazburg_> Add a device.
[09-Aug-2006 17:52:19] <Shazburg_> A Win2k3 box with SNMP
[09-Aug-2006 17:52:27] <oubiwann> IRC log files are here:
[09-Aug-2006 17:52:28] <oubiwann> http://www2.adytum.us/adytum-irclogs/
[09-Aug-2006 17:52:28] <adytum-bot> Title: Adytum IRC Logs (at www2.adytum.us)
[09-Aug-2006 17:52:39] <Shazburg_> Groovy.
[09-Aug-2006 17:53:18] <oubiwann> Okay, so let me double check some things with you
[09-Aug-2006 17:53:32] <oubiwann> you're running under the user account "zenoss" correct?
[09-Aug-2006 17:54:16] <Shazburg_> Correct.
[09-Aug-2006 17:54:37] <oubiwann> can you paste the contents of your /etc/sudoers file to the pastebin?
[09-Aug-2006 17:55:03] <Shazburg_> Hold on.
[09-Aug-2006 17:55:19] <oubiwann> oh, and your zenoss account .profile/.bashrc/.bash_profile (which ever one you use)
[09-Aug-2006 17:56:28] <oubiwann> by account, I mean the shell account for the user "zenoss"
[09-Aug-2006 17:56:47] <Shazburg_> http://pastebin.adytum.us/76
[09-Aug-2006 17:56:47] <adytum-bot> Title: AdytumSolutions Pastebin (at pastebin.adytum.us)
[09-Aug-2006 17:56:54] <Shazburg_> Correct.
[09-Aug-2006
17:59:37] <oubiwann> I am completely not a sudoers guru, but I
will list the differences between our files in case that's useful...
but first:
[09-Aug-2006 18:00:11] <oubiwann> when you
installed zenoss, did the install script output something about a
successful ZODB import?
[09-Aug-2006 18:00:42] <Shazburg_> I didn't see one way or the other.
[09-Aug-2006
18:01:45] <Shazburg_> Though if I'd had a bogus Zope database, it
shouldn't be starting up. Let me take a look at the Zope logs for any
complaints.
[09-Aug-2006 18:02:00] <oubiwann> check your zenbuild.log and make sure there were no ZODB errors
[09-Aug-2006
18:03:06] <oubiwann> my Defaults section is different than yours
in that I don't have an "env_reset" directive
[09-Aug-2006 18:03:09] <oubiwann> I just have the following:
[09-Aug-2006 18:03:10] <oubiwann> Defaults env_keep += "PYTHONPATH ZENHOME"
[09-Aug-2006
18:03:37] <oubiwann> Also, you should post your shell account
profile so we can see the env vars you've set up
[09-Aug-2006 18:03:39] <Shazburg_> I don't seen any ZODB errors in the log.
[09-Aug-2006 18:03:43] <oubiwann> okay
[09-Aug-2006 18:03:58] <Shazburg_> I did. Scroll down on 76 there and you'll see it below the sudoers.
[09-Aug-2006
18:04:29] <oubiwann> it's having a problem because the zenoss
instance isn't finding a ZENHOME declaration in your environment
[09-Aug-2006 18:04:50] <oubiwann> the most obvious potential causes of this would be:
[09-Aug-2006 18:05:09] <oubiwann> 1) a bad/missing entry in the account profile for ZENHOME
[09-Aug-2006 18:05:28] <oubiwann> 2) a bad entry in the sudoers file for the env settings
[09-Aug-2006
18:06:08] <oubiwann> the other things I've mentioned can also
throw a similar error, if my memory serves, but the cause is not direct
[09-Aug-2006 18:06:26] <oubiwann> I do have to go, though. So here's what I would suggest:
[09-Aug-2006 18:06:42] <oubiwann> 1) double check your zenoss env settings in the profile/rc file
[09-Aug-2006 18:06:47] <Shazburg_> Hold the phone.
[09-Aug-2006 18:06:58] <oubiwann> 2) make sure that ...
[09-Aug-2006 18:07:00] <oubiwann> holding ;-)
[09-Aug-2006 18:07:33] <Shazburg_> You made me look at suders again. Thank you. Can't have two defaults.
[09-Aug-2006 18:07:48] <oubiwann> cool :-)
[09-Aug-2006 18:07:57] <Shazburg_> Defaults !lecture,tty_tickets,!fqdn,env_keep+="PYTHONPATH ZENHOME"
[09-Aug-2006 18:08:18] <Shazburg_> I combined the two lines and removed the differences between us.
[09-Aug-2006 18:08:33] <oubiwann> cool, I hope that works :-)
[09-Aug-2006
18:08:49] <Shazburg_> My new server is added. I have a brand new
error from restarting Zenoss, but I'll work on it solo before bothering
anyone else with it.
[09-Aug-2006 18:08:57] <oubiwann> gotta bounce, good luck, and I may be on later tonight
[09-Aug-2006 18:09:00] <Shazburg_> Thank you again, oubiwann.
[09-Aug-2006 18:09:12] <oubiwann> cool, glad there's some progress at least :-)
[09-Aug-2006 18:09:13] <oubiwann> np ;-)
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[09-Aug-2006
20:54:15] <socialist> I'm running a zendisc on a large subnet
(/16) and I have no idea how far it's progressed or anything, is there
a way to increase verbosity or otherwise see it's progress?
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[09-Aug-2006
21:36:49] <socialist> any ideas what this means?
ERROR:zen.ZenDisc:Error performing net descovery on database conflict
error (oid 0xdf4e, class
Products.ZenRelations.ToManyContRelationship.ToManyContRelationship)
[09-Aug-2006
21:41:08] <socialist> zendisc spit that out after (I'm guessing)
completing the pingscan of a /16, but before starting the modelling
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[10-Aug-2006 01:48:31] <Raul> Is there a way to provide single signon to zenoss? Anyone doing this?
[10-Aug-2006 02:05:10] <socialist> not sure, but I'd like to see kerberos support
[10-Aug-2006
03:10:34] <socialist> Raul: btw, zenoss appears to use Zope
acl_users folders like most any other zope app. Not sure about the
internals, but it looks mostly like it would support anything that zope
can do..
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[10-Aug-2006 06:58:00] <GreesMunky> are there any more/updated documents regarding the install procesudre?
[10-Aug-2006 06:58:07] <GreesMunky> I mean procedure
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[10-Aug-2006
09:22:39] <zaf> socialist, add -v10 to your zendisc command line
to increase verbosity so you can see what it's working on
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[10-Aug-2006 10:17:14] <adam_> oubiwann: i've got a quick question about building on an intel mac
[10-Aug-2006 10:17:43] <oubiwann> amodlin: go for it
[10-Aug-2006 10:18:00] <oubiwann> amodlin: er, I mean, share your question :-)
[10-Aug-2006
10:18:30] <amodlin> did you ever get any errors running the
install script? i'm trying to install and i'm getting an error at the
grahpviz part
[10-Aug-2006 10:18:38] <oubiwann> yeah, I did
[10-Aug-2006 10:18:53] <oubiwann> let me get the mail list item I posted about it
[10-Aug-2006 10:19:09] <amodlin> oh ok, I didn't realize you posted t the list about that
[10-Aug-2006 10:19:42] <oubiwann> http://lists.zenoss.org/pipermail/zenoss-users/2006/001098.html
[10-Aug-2006 10:19:42] <oubiwann> amodlin: no prob :-)
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[10-Aug-2006 10:21:03] <amodlin> ok, thanks a bunch
[10-Aug-2006 10:21:10] <oubiwann> you bet :-)
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[10-Aug-2006 10:42:08] <amodlin> oubiwann: am I going to have trouble installing zenoss with python 2.3?
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[10-Aug-2006 10:57:57] <amodlin> oubiwann: following your instructions i still got the same error
[10-Aug-2006
10:58:47] <GreesMunky> I get startup errors on Debian
sarge...File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenStatus/zenping.py", line
22, in ?
[10-Aug-2006 10:58:49] <GreesMunky> import Globals # make zope imports work
[10-Aug-2006 10:58:50] <GreesMunky> ImportError: No module named Globals
[10-Aug-2006 10:59:03] <GreesMunky> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenEvents/zensyslog.py", line 24, in ?
[10-Aug-2006 10:59:05] <GreesMunky> import Globals
[10-Aug-2006 10:59:07] <GreesMunky> ImportError: No module named Globals
[10-Aug-2006 10:59:14] <GreesMunky> File "/usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenEvents/zentrap.py", line 17, in ?
[10-Aug-2006 10:59:15] <GreesMunky> from twisted.python import threadable
[10-Aug-2006 10:59:17] <GreesMunky> ImportError: No module named twisted.python
[10-Aug-2006 10:59:29] <ecn> sudo is not preserving your environment variables
[10-Aug-2006 11:01:48] <ecn> you probably need a "Defaults env_reset" line in /etc/sudoers
[10-Aug-2006 11:01:58] <GreesMunky> ok, thanks
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[10-Aug-2006 12:08:49] <oubiwann> amodlin: I'm back
[10-Aug-2006 12:09:09] <oubiwann> amodlin: edahl actually runs on python 2.3, so that shouldn't be a problem
[10-Aug-2006
12:09:22] <amodlin> oubiwann: i'm still getting the same problem
after following the mailing list instuctions
[10-Aug-2006 12:09:42] <oubiwann> hmmm... could you post the traceback/error message to a pastebin
[10-Aug-2006 12:10:00] <oubiwann> you can use this one if you want:
[10-Aug-2006 12:10:01] <oubiwann> http://pastebin.adytum.us/
[10-Aug-2006 12:10:01] <adytum-bot> Title: AdytumSolutions Pastebin (at pastebin.adytum.us)
[10-Aug-2006 12:10:12] <amodlin> sure thing
[10-Aug-2006 12:11:29] <amodlin> ok done
[10-Aug-2006 12:11:55] <amodlin> be right back real quick
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[10-Aug-2006 12:17:10] <amodlin> oubiwann: sorry about that, i'm back
[10-Aug-2006 12:17:16] <oubiwann> no prob
[10-Aug-2006
12:17:39] <oubiwann> taking a look... this is actually a
different error than that which the mail list post addresses
[10-Aug-2006 12:18:28] <oubiwann> amodlin: I'm gonna ask one more favor :-)
[10-Aug-2006 12:18:32] <amodlin> sure thing
[10-Aug-2006 12:18:48] <oubiwann> amodlin: could you send me your zenbuild.log? duncan at zenoss dot com
[10-Aug-2006 12:19:17] <amodlin> sure
[10-Aug-2006
12:20:14] <oubiwann> there's a lib missing somewhere... and maybe
more context will help me figure it out :-)
[10-Aug-2006 12:20:43]
<amodlin> i had ecn take a look at it, he fooled around with some
configure stuff...said the linking was out of order or somethng like
that
[10-Aug-2006 12:21:58] <oubiwann> yeah, it's trying to link against a library it can't find
[10-Aug-2006 12:22:06] <oubiwann> at least, that's what it looks like so far
[10-Aug-2006
12:24:10] <amodlin> ok i've sent it. it might be a little wierd,
because I tried to do what you had on that list
[10-Aug-2006 12:24:17] <amodlin> if you need me to I can i just run a fresh install
[10-Aug-2006 12:24:31] <zaf> oubiwann zaf: find() gets only one
[10-Aug-2006 12:24:42] <zaf> oubiwann, is there a command that will find them all?
[10-Aug-2006 12:24:56] <oubiwann> zaf: yup, that's what I said yesterday ;-)
[10-Aug-2006 12:25:06] <oubiwann> zaf: you're looking for devices, right?
[10-Aug-2006 12:26:49] <zaf> yeah, i want to pattern match device names into a list
[10-Aug-2006 12:27:30] <oubiwann> pattern match... well, that's not actually supported in trunk yet
[10-Aug-2006 12:28:07] <zaf> heh
[10-Aug-2006
12:28:21] <oubiwann> I've got the code written for it, but I need
to write the migrate function that will move current zenoss
installations into the new device search functionality
[10-Aug-2006 12:28:22] <oubiwann> however
[10-Aug-2006 12:29:09] <oubiwann> [ x for x in dmd.Devices.getSubDevices() if ... ]
[10-Aug-2006 12:29:15] <oubiwann> would do what you want
[10-Aug-2006 12:29:21] <oubiwann> and in ... you can do a regex
[10-Aug-2006 12:29:32] <zaf> ah
[10-Aug-2006 12:29:36] <amodlin> oubiwann: did you get that zenbuild?
[10-Aug-2006 12:29:48] <oubiwann> amodlin: sure did... got open now
[10-Aug-2006 12:30:07] <amodlin> ok
[10-Aug-2006
12:31:18] <oubiwann> amodlin: hmmm... you might want to try
setting your LDFLAGS env var as well as the CPPFLAGS
[10-Aug-2006 12:31:57] <amodlin> what would I set that to
[10-Aug-2006
12:32:11] <oubiwann> amodlin: in that email, I set CPPFLAGS to
use my apple framework python includes as well as the zenoss includes
[10-Aug-2006 12:32:38] <amodlin> oubiwann: right, I did that, except mine is with 2.3
[10-Aug-2006 12:32:38] <oubiwann> amodlin: so, for the LDFLAGS, you might want to try setting it to /Users/bk/zenoss/lib
[10-Aug-2006 12:32:59] <amodlin> all right, and just run the install script again?
[10-Aug-2006 12:33:11] <oubiwann> no guarantees, but that *might* help... still looking
[10-Aug-2006
12:33:52] <oubiwann> just to be sure, I'd start over with a rm
-rf /Users/bk/zenoss/* as well as a removal of your build dir
[10-Aug-2006 12:35:02] <oubiwann> hmmm... but most of your graphviz stuff is compiling just fine
[10-Aug-2006 12:35:13] <amodlin> oubiwann: ok sounds good. i'm running a fresh install with the LDFLAGS env var
[10-Aug-2006 12:36:48] <oubiwann> amodlin: you did export LDFLAGS=-L/Users/bk/zenoss/lib, right?
[10-Aug-2006 12:37:09] <oubiwann> (or the equiv for whatever shell you use)
[10-Aug-2006 12:38:05] <amodlin> i did export LDFLAGS="/Users/bk/zenoss/lib"
[10-Aug-2006 12:38:15] <oubiwann> nope, that won't work
[10-Aug-2006 12:38:21] <amodlin> what's the -L for
[10-Aug-2006 12:39:13] <oubiwann> it's just the syntax for setting the lib paths
[10-Aug-2006 12:42:15] <amodlin> ok
[10-Aug-2006 12:42:25] <amodlin> did I need to do that for the CPPFLAGS also
[10-Aug-2006 12:42:29] <oubiwann> amodlin: so, it looks like lefty is the only problem
[10-Aug-2006 12:42:46] <oubiwann> lefty is a part of graphviz I'm pretty sure were not using at all
[10-Aug-2006 12:43:33] <amodlin> Ah
[10-Aug-2006 12:43:36] <amodlin> I see
[10-Aug-2006
12:44:00] <oubiwann> I need to unpack a graphviz tarball so I can
see what options exist for building without lefty...
[10-Aug-2006 12:44:32] <amodlin> ok
[10-Aug-2006 12:46:20] <oubiwann> I guess try --without-lefty when you do the manual configure of graphviz...
[10-Aug-2006 12:55:20] <zaf> in zendmd, if d is a device, how do i return the ip address of d?
[10-Aug-2006 13:06:57] <oubiwann> zaf: starting up dmd now, and then I'll share some quick pointers with you :-)
[10-Aug-2006 13:09:53] <oubiwann> okay, so you have python at your fingertips when in the dbd
[10-Aug-2006 13:10:01] <oubiwann> er, dmd even ;-)
[10-Aug-2006 13:10:15] <oubiwann> so you can do stuff like:
[10-Aug-2006 13:10:33] <oubiwann> d = find('192.168.*')
[10-Aug-2006 13:10:36] <oubiwann> and then dir(d)
[10-Aug-2006 13:10:39] <oubiwann> *however*
[10-Aug-2006 13:10:48] <oubiwann> you also get all of Zope's madness
[10-Aug-2006 13:10:58] <oubiwann> so there's a LOT of stuff that will return in a dir()
[10-Aug-2006 13:11:29] <zaf> yah, just found the dir() command, that helps a bunch :)
[10-Aug-2006 13:11:35] <oubiwann> to pare that down some, here's what I do
[10-Aug-2006 13:11:45] <oubiwann> [ x for x in dir(d) if '__' not in x ]
[10-Aug-2006 13:12:04] <oubiwann> that usualy gives me the attrs/methods that I'm curious about
[10-Aug-2006 13:12:19] <oubiwann> since I rarely ever need private stuff
[10-Aug-2006 13:12:29] <oubiwann> nor the *__* stuff that Zope defines
[10-Aug-2006 13:13:33] <oubiwann> to look at all the get*() methods, just do this:
[10-Aug-2006 13:13:42] <oubiwann> [ x for x in dir(d) if x.startswith('get') ]
[10-Aug-2006 13:13:46] <oubiwann> and so forth
[10-Aug-2006 13:14:50] <oubiwann> for the ip of a device, you probably want the .manageIp attr
[10-Aug-2006 13:15:13] <zaf> thanks :)
[10-Aug-2006
13:15:29] <oubiwann> sorry about the long answer, but I figure
that will be very helpful for you as you play :-)
[10-Aug-2006 13:15:35] <zaf> yeah
[10-Aug-2006
13:15:57] <zaf> it's mostly my lack of python knowledge that's
slowing me down. if i knew python better i could figure this stuff out
myself
[10-Aug-2006 13:16:10] <oubiwann> being a code guy, I prefer to work in the dmd than the web interface :-)
[10-Aug-2006 13:16:16] <oubiwann> yeah, you'll catch on really quick
[10-Aug-2006 13:16:33] <oubiwann> if you found dir() on your own that fast, you're doing great ;-)
[10-Aug-2006 13:16:52] <zaf> found guido's tutorial ;)
[10-Aug-2006 13:17:26] <oubiwann> yeah, that's where I started -- teach yourself python in 4 hours, tops :-)
[10-Aug-2006 13:17:58] <zaf> yeah, if i ever had 4 hours without an interruption, i'd have a whole lot done in my life :P
[10-Aug-2006 13:22:58] * oubiwann laughs
[10-Aug-2006 13:23:00] <oubiwann> indeed
[10-Aug-2006 13:24:37] <zaf> woohoo! progress!
[10-Aug-2006 13:25:30] <oubiwann> nice :-)
[10-Aug-2006 13:26:53] <zaf> now i have a way of mass-setting Location by regex on the IP
[10-Aug-2006 13:31:43] <oubiwann> zaf: what are you trying to do?
[10-Aug-2006 13:32:54] <zaf> organize all these devices i have discovered
[10-Aug-2006 13:33:03] <zaf> about 30 subnets
[10-Aug-2006 13:33:11] <zaf> all discovered with zendisc
[10-Aug-2006 13:33:42] <zaf> it's just a bit slow to do it with the web interface
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[10-Aug-2006 13:35:12] <oubiwann> zaf: ah, I see
[10-Aug-2006 13:35:36] <oubiwann> that's a good question
[10-Aug-2006 13:35:43] <oubiwann> should be fairly easy
[10-Aug-2006 13:35:55] <oubiwann> all you really need is the steps for a "move"
[10-Aug-2006 13:36:05] <oubiwann> s/is/are/
[10-Aug-2006
13:38:09] <zaf> for each device i've discovered, I need to set
the Location Path, System, Group, and Device Class
[10-Aug-2006
13:38:34] <zaf> ideally if i could just select a few devices at a
time and set those things, it would be perfect
[10-Aug-2006 13:40:21] <oubiwann> cool, you've already done the research on the methods -- that's awesome
[10-Aug-2006 13:40:44] <oubiwann> all you need to do is regex the IPs in a list comprehension like I showed you
[10-Aug-2006 13:40:51] <oubiwann> actually, I take it back
[10-Aug-2006 13:40:58] <oubiwann> you probably want to do this in a for loop
[10-Aug-2006 13:41:04] <oubiwann> too much going on at once
[10-Aug-2006 13:41:17] <oubiwann> so just iterate through all your devices
[10-Aug-2006 13:41:22] <oubiwann> and check their IPs
[10-Aug-2006 13:41:26] <oubiwann> and move accordingly
[10-Aug-2006 13:41:43] <oubiwann> for d in dmd.Devices.getSubDevices():
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[10-Aug-2006 13:42:00] <oubiwann> if d.manageIp == whatever
[10-Aug-2006 13:42:01] <oubiwann> or
[10-Aug-2006 13:42:28] <oubiwann> if regex.match('some_exp', d.manageIp):
[10-Aug-2006 13:42:40] <oubiwann> note that you will need to import re
[10-Aug-2006 13:42:52] <zaf> yeah, that's how i did i
[10-Aug-2006 13:42:53] <zaf> t
[10-Aug-2006 13:42:54] <oubiwann> doh, and my command above is wrong, it should be
[10-Aug-2006 13:43:01] <oubiwann> re.match(
[10-Aug-2006
13:43:20] <rputzler> Has anyone implemented a single signon
solution with zenoss, I looked at RemoteUserAuth which is recommended
for plone under zope but I was unable to get it to work. Wondering if
this problem has already been solved.
[10-Aug-2006 13:43:24] <oubiwann> so I think you have everything you need -- are you having a specific hang-up?
[10-Aug-2006 13:43:35] <zaf> nah, just doing the leg work now
[10-Aug-2006 13:43:51] <oubiwann> rputzler: what are you trying to authenticate against?
[10-Aug-2006
13:44:24] <zaf> rputzler, that's one of my next projects.. that
and getting plone and zenoss in the same zope instance
[10-Aug-2006
13:44:24] <oubiwann> rputzler: also, Zenoss if CMF-based, not
plone-based (that's why it's so much faster than a plone app!)
[10-Aug-2006 13:44:38] <rputzler> User is already authenticated by apache against a custom datasource.
[10-Aug-2006 13:45:16] <oubiwann> rputzler: is it an http basic auth?
[10-Aug-2006 13:45:35] <rputzler> No, form based.
[10-Aug-2006
13:46:13] <rputzler> Most products I've integrated allow me to
pass the authenticated user in a header and setup a trust relationship
to the source ip of apache.
[10-Aug-2006 13:48:16] <oubiwann> hrm... all my experience in integrating is at the coding level
[10-Aug-2006 13:48:31] <oubiwann> auth integration, I mean
[10-Aug-2006 13:48:54] <oubiwann> rputzler: so help me with the flow you have
[10-Aug-2006 13:49:08] <oubiwann> rputzler: user fills in form
[10-Aug-2006 13:49:13] <oubiwann> rputzler: posts to apache
[10-Aug-2006 13:49:34] <oubiwann> rputzler: apache grants auth accordingly
[10-Aug-2006 13:49:45] <oubiwann> rputzler: then what does your other app do, exactly?
[10-Aug-2006
13:50:15] <rputzler> user logs into our support portal which
authenticates via a ruby on rails app to mysql, user clicks a link to a
reverse proxied url to zenoss.
[10-Aug-2006 13:50:15] <oubiwann> rputzler: or do you push from apache as soon as it auths a user?
[10-Aug-2006 13:50:41] <oubiwann> rputzler: I mean non-zenoss
[10-Aug-2006 13:51:08] <oubiwann> rputzler: I need a better picture of how your other apps are authingn against apache
[10-Aug-2006
13:53:18] <rputzler> They don't , basically I reverse proxy the
other apps and during the reverse proxy I add a header of "REMOTE_USER"
and populate with the userid of the authenticated user. The the app is
configured to not challenge for a password when the source ip is apache
and the REMOTE_USER header is populated with a valid userid.
[10-Aug-2006
13:56:50] <rputzler> I know I can have the reverse proxy insert
the authorization header with the base64 encoded userid/password, I was
just hoping that something better/simpler that might already exist so
that I don't have to replicate passwords around to multiple systems. We
are planning on using ldap at somepoint in the future, but that
architecture has it's own set of issues and challenges.
[10-Aug-2006 13:57:56] <oubiwann> rputzler:
[10-Aug-2006 13:57:58] <oubiwann> oops
[10-Aug-2006 13:58:00] <oubiwann> :-)
[10-Aug-2006 13:58:07] <oubiwann> rputzler: okay, that makes sense
[10-Aug-2006
13:58:37] <oubiwann> I'll add a ticket for it and see if that's
something Erik wants one of us to add -- I don't see why not
[10-Aug-2006
13:59:35] <oubiwann> there might be some security concerns, so we
might have to add a UI portion to enable this, with disclaimers and
warnings, etc.
[10-Aug-2006 13:59:40] <rputzler> Thanks.
[10-Aug-2006 14:03:08] <oubiwann> rputzler: you know, in Zope you can auth against the URL directly
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[10-Aug-2006 14:03:16] <oubiwann> rputzler: you really want https for that, though ;-)
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[10-Aug-2006 14:04:00] <oubiwann> rputzler: so, you could hit https://user:passwd@yourserver.com:8080/zport/dmd
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[10-Aug-2006 14:04:29] <oubiwann> (heh, the bot tried to look up the title for that URL)
[10-Aug-2006
14:05:10] <oubiwann> rputzler: if you're building links in your
web interface dynamically, you could probably use that
[10-Aug-2006
14:06:03] <oubiwann> and if you're using https, that would be a
more secure solution (we wouldn't have to mess with security issues in
Zenoss, I mean)
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[10-Aug-2006
14:52:38] <rputzler> oubiwann: sorry had to step a way for a
little while. Thanks for the suggestion I'll give it a try, I just
wanted to avoid having to keep the users password around in clear text
like that.
[10-Aug-2006 14:53:21] <oubiwann> well, if it's dynamically generated, it won't be saved anywhere
[10-Aug-2006 14:53:49] <oubiwann> you could just pull if from Apache/the header (after login)
[10-Aug-2006 14:54:19] <oubiwann> the user would click on the link, and they'd be in an auth'ed zenoss instance...
[10-Aug-2006
14:55:16] <rputzler> Good point, actually that should make this
implementation pretty clean. Let me give it a try.
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[10-Aug-2006 15:45:07] <ecn> oubiwann: what files did you need?
[10-Aug-2006 15:45:35] <oubiwann> ecn: hey! lemme get their names...
[10-Aug-2006 15:46:07] <oubiwann> getRouterGraph and getNetworkGraph
[10-Aug-2006 15:46:39] <oubiwann> er, those should have .pt extensions...
[10-Aug-2006 15:46:45] <ecn> what box were you using?
[10-Aug-2006 15:46:53] <oubiwann> .14
[10-Aug-2006 15:48:25] <ecn> no getRouterGraph on the box
[10-Aug-2006 15:49:05] <oubiwann> it might be in a location that the locatedb is skipping
[10-Aug-2006 15:49:21] * oubiwann tries to remember the path
[10-Aug-2006 15:49:23] <ecn> I assumed it would be in /usr/local/zenoss/Products/ZenModel/skins/zenmodel
[10-Aug-2006 15:49:44] <oubiwann> yeah, that's where it should be...
[10-Aug-2006 15:50:15] <oubiwann> was the box wipped?
[10-Aug-2006 15:50:36] <oubiwann> the graphs we were looking at when I was there were generated by those files
[10-Aug-2006 15:50:44] <oubiwann> so at one point, they were there
[10-Aug-2006 15:51:04] <oubiwann> oh, doh
[10-Aug-2006 15:51:08] <oubiwann> I'm an idiot
[10-Aug-2006 15:51:25] <oubiwann> I think we took them out of .pt
[10-Aug-2006 15:51:43] <oubiwann> and put them on Device
[10-Aug-2006 15:52:17] <ecn> right... and they return '' for me
[10-Aug-2006 15:52:18] <ecn> 8-)
[10-Aug-2006 15:58:48] <oubiwann> In the browser, I get a URL instead of an image...
[10-Aug-2006 16:01:14] <oubiwann> ah
[10-Aug-2006 16:01:29] <oubiwann> there is a problem with graphviz or pydot compiling
[10-Aug-2006 16:02:08] <oubiwann> I just did a python session importing pydot and creating a graph
[10-Aug-2006
16:02:41] <oubiwann> loaded up the graph image in a browser, and
there's no image -- just the URL to the image
(file:///Users/oubiwann/Desktop/graph_from_edges_dot.jpg)
[10-Aug-2006 16:03:16] <oubiwann> this is a bigger problem than I thought... and doesn't seem to be Zenoss-related
[10-Aug-2006
16:04:03] <oubiwann> ecn: when you get a chance, could you run
some code in an interactive python session for me?
[10-Aug-2006 16:04:34] <oubiwann> ecn: http://pastebin.adytum.us/78
[10-Aug-2006 16:04:34] <adytum-bot> Title: AdytumSolutions Pastebin (at pastebin.adytum.us)
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[10-Aug-2006
16:06:37] <oubiwann> ecn: then check out the image... if it's not
an image of 4 nodes, then there's a problem how our graphviz's are
being built
[10-Aug-2006 16:12:45] <ecn> zero-length file
[10-Aug-2006 16:14:25] <ecn> postscript isn't working either
[10-Aug-2006 16:14:27] <ecn> ugh
[10-Aug-2006 16:18:37] <oubiwann> I'm gonna try this with graphviz directly and confirm that pydot's not the problem...
[10-Aug-2006 16:24:48] <oubiwann> well, dot seems to be working
[10-Aug-2006 16:24:54] <oubiwann> so that's GREAT news :-)
[10-Aug-2006 16:25:27] <oubiwann> the problem then may lie with pydot
[10-Aug-2006 16:29:30] <oubiwann> yeah, this is great... pydot hasn't been updated since 2004
[10-Aug-2006 16:30:12] <oubiwann> I'm going to try running with this with an older version of pyparsing (first)
[10-Aug-2006 16:30:22] <oubiwann> and if that doesn't work, graphviz as well
[10-Aug-2006 16:36:52] <ecn> btw, I did have pictures coming up at one point
[10-Aug-2006 16:40:21] <oubiwann> ecn: did you?
[10-Aug-2006 16:40:29] <oubiwann> oh dear, that makes it worse
[10-Aug-2006 16:40:38] <ecn> yes, when I did the make target
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