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[02-Apr-2007 01:10:40] -adytum-bot- New Blog/News Feed: Advogato blog for oubiwann - Genshi Templates in Nevow - 26 Mar, 02:04AM
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[02-Apr-2007 03:12:29] <Snake-Eyes> Is there a place to add what software/packages a machine has (I dont mean services) ?
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[02-Apr-2007 07:05:13] <jeg1972> Morning everyone
[02-Apr-2007 07:31:59] <Tinuva> morning
[02-Apr-2007 07:32:15] <Tinuva> oh wait its afternoon here
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[02-Apr-2007 09:21:34] <jp10558> chet: hey, I'm trying to follow your source install howto, but once I install mysql, I try service mysqld start, but I get an unrecognized service error. Any idea?
[02-Apr-2007 09:28:45] <N[]VA> whats the exact error?
[02-Apr-2007 09:32:30] <chet> jp10558: Do you have the /etc/init.d/mysqld file?
[02-Apr-2007 09:34:38] <jp10558> no
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[02-Apr-2007 09:39:02] <chet> Are you sure that the mysql RPM actually installed?
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[02-Apr-2007 09:57:17] <jreese2> hah!
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[02-Apr-2007 10:01:45] <chet> jreese2: I got your message. So everything working now? I got some time last night to go through and build a DHCP pool extension myself.
[02-Apr-2007 10:03:06] <jp10558> mmm? I did yum, it went through to 100% and didn't give me any errors
[02-Apr-2007 10:03:17] <jp10558> how would I tell if the install worked?
[02-Apr-2007 10:03:35] <chet> rpm -aq|grep mysql
[02-Apr-2007 10:03:48] <jreese2> chet: yep, everything is working great
[02-Apr-2007 10:04:03] <jreese2> got some good collection over the weekend
[02-Apr-2007 10:05:52] <jp10558> I got mysql-5.0.27-1.el4.centos and mysql-devel-5.0.27.1.el4.centos
[02-Apr-2007 10:05:53] <chet> Cool. So it turns out that the whole SnmpCollector thing must be legacy and unused, eh?
[02-Apr-2007 10:05:59] <jreese> apparently so
[02-Apr-2007 10:06:21] <jreese> do you by chance know what the "Custom" field in the rrdtemplate edit page is for?
[02-Apr-2007 10:08:02] <chet> You mean for the graph?
[02-Apr-2007 10:08:28] <jreese> yeah
[02-Apr-2007 10:08:35] <jreese> on the datasource
[02-Apr-2007 10:09:28] <chet> You can stick extra CDEFS and rrdgraph definitions in there.
[02-Apr-2007 10:10:03] <jreese> ok
[02-Apr-2007 10:10:05] <jreese> good
[02-Apr-2007 10:10:51] <chet> Like for my DHCP pools, I collect the active leases and model the total leases and I want my graph to show me % utilized.. so I put this in the custom field:
[02-Apr-2007 10:10:51] <chet> CDEF:percent=usedLeases_usedLeases,${here/totalLeases},/,100,*
[02-Apr-2007 10:10:51] <chet> AREA:percent#00cc00:utilization
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[02-Apr-2007 10:12:19] <jp10558> do I maybe need to do something else beyond the yum ...
[02-Apr-2007 10:12:23] <jreese> oh sweet, perfect
[02-Apr-2007 10:12:26] <jreese> perfect perfect perfect
[02-Apr-2007 10:12:53] <chet> jp10558: Those packages should be enough. I don't understand why they wouldn't have installed the init script.
[02-Apr-2007 10:13:32] <jreese> is it possible to run an algorithm on a CDEF that is already defined?
[02-Apr-2007 10:13:36] <chet> yes
[02-Apr-2007 10:14:14] <chet> As soon as they're defined they're exactly like regular DEFs.
[02-Apr-2007 10:14:39] <jreese> hrm
[02-Apr-2007 10:14:56] <jreese> i have a lot to learn with rrd :P
[02-Apr-2007 10:15:21] <chet> heh.. it's really simple if/when you understand RPN.
[02-Apr-2007 10:15:51] <jreese> i've known RPN for a while (dad had a calculator that i used a lot back in high school)
[02-Apr-2007 10:17:22] <jreese> my snmp source gives bytes/sec, i want to convert it to bits/sec without doing it in python if possible
[02-Apr-2007 10:17:28] <jp10558> mmm
[02-Apr-2007 10:17:47] <chet> Yup.. that's a common one.
[02-Apr-2007 10:18:04] <jp10558> is there a way for me to manually get the init script in there?
[02-Apr-2007 10:18:14] <jp10558> or is it just not going to work?
[02-Apr-2007 10:18:42] <chet> jp10558: No good manual way.. what version of SL are you running?
[02-Apr-2007 10:19:21] <chet> jreese: You're better off scaling that in the RPN field of the data source, not the graph.
[02-Apr-2007 10:19:25] <chet> jreese: Much easier that way.
[02-Apr-2007 10:19:38] <chet> Just stick "8,*" in that RPN field.
[02-Apr-2007 10:20:15] <chet> jreese: That way zenoss actually creates the CDEFs for you no matter which graph/report your data source ends up in.
[02-Apr-2007 10:20:22] <jreese> ah hah
[02-Apr-2007 10:20:26] <jreese> in the data point
[02-Apr-2007 10:20:44] <chet> ack, yes, data point.. my terminology is confus(ed|ing)
[02-Apr-2007 10:21:08] <jp10558> SL4
[02-Apr-2007 10:21:18] <jreese> perfect
[02-Apr-2007 10:21:23] <jp10558> 4.4 beryllium
[02-Apr-2007 10:21:42] <chet> jp10558: That's the same version I made my HOWTO on..
[02-Apr-2007 10:22:19] <jreese> and then adding a 95th percentile would go on the graph
[02-Apr-2007 10:22:53] <chet> yeah
[02-Apr-2007 10:24:52] <chet> jp10558: Hmm.. I don't have the init script either.
[02-Apr-2007 10:25:18] <chet> jp10558: I'm perhaps an idiot.
[02-Apr-2007 10:26:16] <jp10558> Well, you seem to know far more about this than I do - I suppose I'll check with my linux people then
[02-Apr-2007 10:27:05] <chet> jp10558: Nah.. just "yum install mysql-server"
[02-Apr-2007 10:27:15] <chet> jp10558: Then proceed with the howto.
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[02-Apr-2007 10:30:31] <jp10558> ok, trying that chet
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[02-Apr-2007 10:30:34] <jp10558> thanks for all the help!
[02-Apr-2007 10:31:23] <chet> PerlStalker: Did you ever manage to get that AP/SU thing going?
[02-Apr-2007 10:32:07] <PerlStalker> I decided to let it rest until ZenPacks hit stable.
[02-Apr-2007 10:33:03] <PerlStalker> But, if the boss can free the cash, we may just snag some cosulting and get it done that way.
[02-Apr-2007 10:39:38] <jreese> does zenoss have a built-in percentile function like cacti?
[02-Apr-2007 10:46:36] <creiht> jreese: For like 95th% bandwidth charts?
[02-Apr-2007 10:47:47] <jreese> yeah
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[02-Apr-2007 10:48:00] <jreese> just tried a VDEF but it killed everything else in my graph, lol
[02-Apr-2007 10:52:47] <creiht> jreese: I don't think it does by default, but I have seen a lot of discussions fly by about it in the mailing lists
[02-Apr-2007 10:53:58] <jreese> k
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[02-Apr-2007 10:54:57] <jreese> ahh
[02-Apr-2007 10:55:31] <jreese> damn, nvm...hrm....
[02-Apr-2007 10:56:49] <jp10558> chet: mmm, I was doing the python install, and at the end I got:
[02-Apr-2007 10:57:08] <jp10558> make: *** [libinstall] Error 1
[02-Apr-2007 10:57:16] <jp10558> I assume this is a problem?
[02-Apr-2007 11:06:50] <jreese> hmm
[02-Apr-2007 11:07:49] <jreese> ahh
[02-Apr-2007 11:08:00] <jreese> if you specify custom rrd on the graph page it'l kill everything that zenoss makes
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[02-Apr-2007 11:41:23] <jp10558> never mind
[02-Apr-2007 11:41:25] <jp10558> make
[02-Apr-2007 11:41:27] <jp10558> then make install worked
[02-Apr-2007 11:53:03] <jp10558> chet: now I got to svn install, but I got a URL doesn't exist error
[02-Apr-2007 11:54:00] <chet> What does "echo $SVNTAG" output?
[02-Apr-2007 11:54:01] <jp10558> specifically
[02-Apr-2007 11:54:15] <jp10558> nothing
[02-Apr-2007 11:54:17] <jp10558> a blank line
[02-Apr-2007 11:55:08] <chet> Are you the zenoss user?
[02-Apr-2007 11:55:24] <jp10558> I did SU zenoss
[02-Apr-2007 11:55:32] <jp10558> so yes
[02-Apr-2007 11:55:39] <chet> After you made the changes to the .bash_profile?
[02-Apr-2007 11:55:45] <jp10558> yes
[02-Apr-2007 11:56:13] <chet> Did you "su zenoss" or "su - zenoss" ?
[02-Apr-2007 11:57:17] <jp10558> su zenoss
[02-Apr-2007 11:58:10] <chet> You need to do the latter or your .bash_profile won't be read and the environment won't be setup.
[02-Apr-2007 11:59:15] <jreese> where does zenoss store the custom rrd entries on the file system/
[02-Apr-2007 11:59:17] <jreese> ?*
[02-Apr-2007 11:59:24] <jp10558> ok
[02-Apr-2007 11:59:45] <chet> $ZENHOME/perf/Devices/yourdevice/os/iissites..
[02-Apr-2007 11:59:46] <jp10558> that worked - thanks
[02-Apr-2007 11:59:54] <jreese> no, like the rrd commands
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[02-Apr-2007 12:00:15] <jreese> i put in some custom command and now zenoss won't work at all, lol
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[02-Apr-2007 12:00:29] <chet> They're stored in the ZODB, not the file system.
[02-Apr-2007 12:00:34] <jreese> hrm
[02-Apr-2007 12:00:39] <jreese> no way to edit it manually?
[02-Apr-2007 12:00:48] <chet> You could do it via zendmd
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[02-Apr-2007 12:04:21] <jreese> grr, wtf
[02-Apr-2007 12:07:02] <illsci> where do you put zenoss's home dir on your box
[02-Apr-2007 12:07:15] <illsci> if you install to /usr/local/zenoss
[02-Apr-2007 12:07:20] <illsci> do you put it in there... or no
[02-Apr-2007 12:07:35] <illsci> also if your untar'd install dir where should that be...
[02-Apr-2007 12:07:45] <chet> It doesn't matter where the home directory is.
[02-Apr-2007 12:07:47] <illsci> i was doing it from /tmp the other day
[02-Apr-2007 12:07:54] <illsci> and i kept getting errors
[02-Apr-2007 12:08:03] <illsci> i forget what it was... ill give it another shot of installing in a bit
[02-Apr-2007 12:08:19] <illsci> I had /usr/local/zenoss chown'd to zenoss too
[02-Apr-2007 12:08:31] <illsci> ill have to check it out again
[02-Apr-2007 12:10:26] <jreese> erm, strange
[02-Apr-2007 12:10:33] <jreese> getting a "xmlrpclib.ResponseError"
[02-Apr-2007 12:12:09] <jp10558> I got an error unable to build zenoss and depencies
[02-Apr-2007 12:12:28] <jp10558> In zenbuild.log
[02-Apr-2007 12:12:32] <jp10558> I have at the end
[02-Apr-2007 12:12:56] <jp10558> could not find platform independent libraries <prefix>
[02-Apr-2007 12:13:18] <jp10558> followed by could not find platform dependent libraries <exec_prefix>
[02-Apr-2007 12:14:00] <jp10558> and some traceback, and then ImportError: No modle named distutils.core
[02-Apr-2007 12:14:09] <jp10558> chet: any ideas?
[02-Apr-2007 12:14:56] <chet> what does "which python" output/
[02-Apr-2007 12:15:38] <jp10558> ~/bin/python
[02-Apr-2007 12:16:12] <jreese> this is flippin weird... the web server for zenoss just crapped out, for no reason that i can find...can't even get to the main page
[02-Apr-2007 12:18:25] <chet> Does ~/lib/python2.4/distutils/core.py exist?
[02-Apr-2007 12:19:36] <jp10558> no
[02-Apr-2007 12:20:44] <chet> Then python wasn't installed completely. You should try it again.
[02-Apr-2007 12:21:06] <jp10558> oh
[02-Apr-2007 12:21:07] <jp10558> ok
[02-Apr-2007 12:21:40] <jreese> sigh
[02-Apr-2007 12:29:14] <jp10558> hmmm - I ran through the install of python again... it seems to work? This time though I got an error on gmake for epydoc-install
[02-Apr-2007 12:29:51] <chet> Did it install that core.py file this time?
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[02-Apr-2007 12:31:31] <jreese> ok, i've got a corrupted record in zope, cool
[02-Apr-2007 12:32:18] <jp10558> no
[02-Apr-2007 12:32:20] <jp10558> mmm
[02-Apr-2007 12:32:28] <jreese> fixed it, yay
[02-Apr-2007 12:32:37] <jp10558> I can't figure what's wrong, I do exactly that the howto does
[02-Apr-2007 12:33:02] <jp10558> well, except I had to do make
[02-Apr-2007 12:33:06] <jp10558> then make install for it to not error out
[02-Apr-2007 12:37:57] <jreese> now my hrule isn't graphing at the right spot :'(
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[02-Apr-2007 13:15:49] <jreese> i've got everything working great now :D
[02-Apr-2007 13:15:52] <jreese> hoot
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[02-Apr-2007 13:31:45] <jreese> apparently my home connection is having issues
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[02-Apr-2007 14:18:28] <jp10558> chet: I checked out the python install again, and when I do make, there is one notice I see which might help figure out what the problem is - I get an INFO: Can't locate Tcl/Tk libs and/or headers
[02-Apr-2007 14:18:40] <jp10558> would that maybe indicate why the python install isn't working?
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[02-Apr-2007 15:22:02] <stockholm> hi
[02-Apr-2007 15:22:27] <stockholm> i was reading the "comparison" page on the webpage and am using munin...
[02-Apr-2007 15:22:40] <stockholm> could someone please compare zenoss to munin for me?
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[02-Apr-2007 15:35:37] <korozion> munin just graphs things
[02-Apr-2007 15:36:28] <stockholm> and zenoss also gives acustic representations? :-)
[02-Apr-2007 15:37:10] <korozion> I'm pretty new to ZenOSS myself
[02-Apr-2007 15:37:16] <korozion> but I know it can graph too
[02-Apr-2007 15:38:02] <stockholm> right
[02-Apr-2007 15:39:09] <korozion> zenoss can do a lot more than just graphing :)
[02-Apr-2007 15:40:20] <stockholm> korozion: like notification aka nagios?
[02-Apr-2007 15:40:33] <korozion> indeed
[02-Apr-2007 15:40:47] <stockholm> how old is the project?
[02-Apr-2007 15:41:00] <korozion> I'm not sure
[02-Apr-2007 15:41:28] <korozion> but they sent me a tee-shirt, so I like them ;)
[02-Apr-2007 15:42:03] <stockholm> and do they have a debian package?
[02-Apr-2007 15:42:19] <stockholm> i see a redhat ready logo
[02-Apr-2007 15:42:25] <stockholm> but i need debian
[02-Apr-2007 15:42:42] <korozion> I have it installed on kubuntu, and I'm pretty sure I had it on Debian once
[02-Apr-2007 15:43:05] <bzed> stockholm: I'm working on a debian package
[02-Apr-2007 15:43:37] <bzed> stockholm: see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=361253
[02-Apr-2007 15:43:37] <adytum-bot> Title: #361253 - ITP: zenoss -- Zenoss is a powerful, integrated, easy-to-use IT infrastructure monitoring software product. - Debian Bug report logs (at bugs.debian.org)
[02-Apr-2007 15:43:39] <stockholm> bzed: yay
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[02-Apr-2007 15:43:56] <korozion> what I need is to know snmp better :S
[02-Apr-2007 15:44:46] <jreese> i read a blog post that someone got it working in debian
[02-Apr-2007 15:44:49] <jreese> (zenoss blog)
[02-Apr-2007 15:44:57] <bzed> jreese: that was from me :P
[02-Apr-2007 15:45:03] <jreese> fair enough!
[02-Apr-2007 15:45:18] <korozion> bzed: do you go over snmp config at all in said blog post?
[02-Apr-2007 15:45:22] <bzed> stockholm: i'm working together with an ubuntu developer on it, he wants to get it into the next ubuntu server, so I guess we'll ahve packages in a few weeks. a lot to do until then, though
[02-Apr-2007 15:45:30] <bzed> korozion: no
[02-Apr-2007 15:45:34] <korozion> bummer
[02-Apr-2007 15:46:30] <stockholm> bzed: i see you got a harsh comment about the package description
[02-Apr-2007 15:46:54] <stockholm> bzed: can you give a better description now? :-)
[02-Apr-2007 15:47:45] <bzed> stockholm: that was not from me
[02-Apr-2007 15:48:03] <bzed> stockholm: I hijacked the bug report after nobody took care of it for a year
[02-Apr-2007 15:48:12] <bzed> stockholm: you need to read the mails from this year
[02-Apr-2007 15:48:35] <stockholm> ah
[02-Apr-2007 15:50:48] <stockholm> it uses zope etc?
[02-Apr-2007 15:50:52] <bzed> yes
[02-Apr-2007 15:51:07] <creiht> korozion: Check out http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/NetSnmpConfiguration
[02-Apr-2007 15:51:08] <adytum-bot> Title: NetSnmpConfiguration - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[02-Apr-2007 15:51:08] <creiht> That should have everything you need for snmp configuration
[02-Apr-2007 15:51:17] <bzed> stockholm: our todo list is at http://bzed.de/debian/packages/zenoss/start
[02-Apr-2007 15:51:30] <korozion> creiht: you're a good man, thanks!
[02-Apr-2007 15:53:00] <stockholm> bzed: sounds like quite some work.
[02-Apr-2007 15:53:14] <bzed> it is
[02-Apr-2007 15:53:24] <stockholm> bzed: do you get the feeling the software is of good quality?
[02-Apr-2007 15:53:39] <stockholm> (usually you notice that when packaging something :-)
[02-Apr-2007 15:53:42] <creiht> stockholm: I have been using it for over a year now
[02-Apr-2007 15:54:03] <stockholm> creiht: and?
[02-Apr-2007 15:54:08] <stockholm> how big is your installation?
[02-Apr-2007 15:54:11] <creiht> And the quality has been pretty good, especially for how fast they have been adding changes
[02-Apr-2007 15:54:26] <stockholm> how many updates did you do?
[02-Apr-2007 15:54:30] <creiht> I've gone through probably 5 upgrades
[02-Apr-2007 15:54:33] <stockholm> did they disrupt your operation?
[02-Apr-2007 15:54:44] <creiht> only for the period of time it took to upgrade
[02-Apr-2007 15:54:54] <stockholm> and they were smooth?
[02-Apr-2007 15:55:02] <creiht> I have had one hiccup
[02-Apr-2007 15:55:05] <stockholm> how do you update all the clients?
[02-Apr-2007 15:55:07] <creiht> But that was more my fault
[02-Apr-2007 15:55:14] <jp10558> I'm getting to the point I wish they provided a iso for installing the entire system, not just a VMWare image. My experiance has been that the initial install can be really difficult
[02-Apr-2007 15:55:20] <creiht> and was easy to fix
[02-Apr-2007 15:55:28] <creiht> since it is snmp you don't have to update the clients
[02-Apr-2007 15:55:52] <stockholm> hm, but snmp is a security problem, isnt it?
[02-Apr-2007 15:55:53] <jp10558> Though I guess it's mostly related to trying to get WMI working and random hoops I've jumped through to that end
[02-Apr-2007 15:57:57] <creiht> stockholm: In which way
[02-Apr-2007 15:58:03] <bzed> imho the idea of an installer which brings all its depenncies is good, although that doesn't work for a serious packaging. if I'd try to get a several hundred MB large package into debian, which contains a ton of stuff which IS in debian allready, somebody would chop my head off
[02-Apr-2007 15:58:46] <stockholm> creiht: did you hear that snmp had the worst results of all reviewd projects when they did a code quality comparison?
[02-Apr-2007 15:59:01] <bzed> creiht: as far as I remember did netsnmp have a TON of security related bugs. i would never expose snmp to a public network, that's what admin networks are for\
[02-Apr-2007 15:59:03] <creiht> stockholm: link?
[02-Apr-2007 15:59:54] <creiht> If you don't use snmp, you use some other sort of agent, which will likely have a similar security
[02-Apr-2007 16:00:05] <stockholm> creiht: it was done by the stanford checker people. dont know, they started an own company and did the static analysis of the code with money from the defense department
[02-Apr-2007 16:00:10] <creiht> gotta run to a meeting... bbl
[02-Apr-2007 16:00:32] <jp10558> I also don't really see a recommended/supported OS listed, just some RPMs, which makes me think that Redhat derivitaves would be OK - but RHEL derivities like SL4 have versions of many dependencies that are older than what zenoss wants
[02-Apr-2007 16:00:47] <jp10558> so it can be a real pain
[02-Apr-2007 16:01:13] <bzed> doesn't the zenoss rpm bring all depencies? the spec file looked so
[02-Apr-2007 16:01:13] <jp10558> I hope the next version is just run and go on linux, without python issues on windows etc for WMI
[02-Apr-2007 16:01:14] * stockholm will wait for the debian package in order to evaluate it
[02-Apr-2007 16:01:36] <jp10558> well, my experiance was:
[02-Apr-2007 16:01:46] <jp10558> the RPM does not bring Python 2.4 or newer
[02-Apr-2007 16:01:54] <jp10558> it seems to work with 2.3 on SL4
[02-Apr-2007 16:02:03] <jp10558> but it breaks ZenWin, so WMI just doesn't work
[02-Apr-2007 16:02:04] <bzed> stockholm: if you want add my blog feed or the namespace changes to your feedreader and you'll see when there's anything to test
[02-Apr-2007 16:02:31] <jp10558> and you can't just upgrade python in redhat based distros because it breaks redhat tools
[02-Apr-2007 16:02:37] <bzed> haha
[02-Apr-2007 16:03:00] <jp10558> so now I'm halfway throug ha source install where now python 2.4.4 won't install correctly, and I'm not sure if anyone knows why
[02-Apr-2007 16:03:12] <bzed> makes me wonder why they don't ship python, building that, too, shouldn't be a problem. the externallibs folder is bing enough
[02-Apr-2007 16:03:26] <jp10558> so overall, Zenoss is great, but it's WMI doesn't seem to work reliably - which is what I really wanted it for
[02-Apr-2007 16:03:38] <jp10558> so I might wait till 1.2 and hope
[02-Apr-2007 16:05:28] <stockholm> what is WMI?
[02-Apr-2007 16:07:20] <jp10558> Windows Management Instrimentation
[02-Apr-2007 16:07:33] <jp10558> Basically how you can monitor windows services and event logs
[02-Apr-2007 16:07:51] <stockholm> ah, we have only debian server to monitor
[02-Apr-2007 16:08:15] <stockholm> would it be the right tool for that to start with?
[02-Apr-2007 16:08:16] <jp10558> Then ZenOSS is fine as long as you have SNMP setup right on the debian servers
[02-Apr-2007 16:08:51] <stockholm> well, we wont expose any snmp on the servers for sure :-)
[02-Apr-2007 16:09:56] <jp10558> Then ZenOSS won't do much... it monitors SNMP, and theoritically WMI.
[02-Apr-2007 16:10:05] <bzed> you can use the nagios plugins
[02-Apr-2007 16:10:08] <jp10558> How would you monitor the servers?
[02-Apr-2007 16:10:57] <stockholm> i would use munin and nagios.
[02-Apr-2007 16:11:12] <stockholm> munin for the graphing and nagios for the notification
[02-Apr-2007 16:12:23] <jp10558> nagios uses SNMP?
[02-Apr-2007 16:12:59] <stockholm> no, i think it has an own client
[02-Apr-2007 16:13:04] <jp10558> Oh, I see, you install a client
[02-Apr-2007 16:13:10] <jp10558> well, you might want to look at Zabbix
[02-Apr-2007 16:13:24] <jreese> my iis "plugin" is working: http://planettau.com/not4u/zenoss/zenoss-iis.png :D
[02-Apr-2007 16:13:40] <jp10558> Generally, I am trying to minimise the number of clients on servers, or any machine (I'd like to monitor my workstations as well)
[02-Apr-2007 16:14:03] <jp10558> But Zenoss in maybe 6 months is planning on haveing agents also, so maybe check back then
[02-Apr-2007 16:14:14] <bzed> jp10558: you can use snmp or use clients. but for example to check if a webserver is up, I don't need a client on the server
[02-Apr-2007 16:14:26] <jp10558> Right - that is the case
[02-Apr-2007 16:14:49] <jp10558> I was saying in general, you need SNMP or a client or WMI or something to monitor services on a machine
[02-Apr-2007 16:15:13] <bzed> and on machines in the DMZ i'd never install snmp for example
[02-Apr-2007 16:15:50] <jp10558> My plan is to try and minimize clients on a machine, but maybe something like Zabbix/Hyperix is easier to set up, and their client has a negligable impact
[02-Apr-2007 16:16:14] <jp10558> My situation is somewhat different, I'm looking to monitor things inside the firewall - no DMZ to talk about
[02-Apr-2007 16:16:27] <jp10558> we just block SNMP in/out at the firewall
[02-Apr-2007 16:16:37] <bzed> the nagios plugins are easy to install, too.... well.. on debian... it's apt-get install nagios... and you're done
[02-Apr-2007 16:16:49] <bzed> yeah, same here, but we ahve some servers in the DMZ, too
[02-Apr-2007 16:17:16] <stockholm> the servers i have are all publicly accessible.
[02-Apr-2007 16:17:52] <jp10558> I'm beginning to wonder if Zabbix wouldnt' be worth checking out, I certainly understand client based systems better - but my boss really wants to not have another client on our machines
[02-Apr-2007 16:19:30] <stockholm> well, if he has snmp? :-)
[02-Apr-2007 16:19:41] <bzed> stockholm: our servers have all two interfaces, one which provides the services like smb, netatalk and the other 1000 things our users need, and one interface within an admin lan. so that's not a problem to run snmp without sharing it for the whole house
[02-Apr-2007 16:22:34] <jp10558> Well, I suppose that's part of what I have to map out, is SNMP + Informant as heavy as say a Zabbix client? less, more? Which is more likely to interfere with other software?
[02-Apr-2007 16:44:35] <bzed> jp10558: seriously - I ahve no clue about zabbix. http://pandora.sourceforge.net/ is another system like zenoss and nagios, probably you want to check that out, too
[02-Apr-2007 16:45:05] <bzed> I mainly decided to use zenoss becuase it's using python, which is my favourite language actually
[02-Apr-2007 16:45:26] <bzed> and because it brings all things I need of course
[02-Apr-2007 16:46:14] <illsci> i think every one of the opensource monitoring systems work the same way
[02-Apr-2007 16:46:24] <illsci> clients, snmp, and external polling of services
[02-Apr-2007 16:47:25] <bzed> I think there's not realyl any other way to do the job
[02-Apr-2007 16:47:44] <bzed> you can't do magic, and you need a way to get the data
[02-Apr-2007 16:47:52] <illsci> if the box is in the dmx why not just firewall it off so only the montoring station can use inbound whatever
[02-Apr-2007 16:48:01] <illsci> snmp or whatever other protocol you are using
[02-Apr-2007 16:48:05] <illsci> dmz..
[02-Apr-2007 16:49:13] <bzed> sure, that would work, too. but I coudl also live with an unpriviledged user which runs some client via ssh
[02-Apr-2007 16:49:37] <illsci> or snmp via ssh
[02-Apr-2007 16:50:50] <bzed> yeah. I want to avoid to ahve snmp listening on an interface at all. a firewall can fail (and if the reason is a dumb admin), so I prefer not to have any service running which is not really needed
[02-Apr-2007 16:51:22] <bzed> and if I have to choose between *something via ssh* and snmp, then I'd go the ssh way
[02-Apr-2007 16:51:54] <bzed> probably a bit parainod, but better a bit too apranoid thatn visitors from outer space ;)
[02-Apr-2007 16:51:58] <illsci> i agree... the network permiter is every host
[02-Apr-2007 16:53:07] <illsci> that's why using something like grsec is a good idea as well
[02-Apr-2007 16:53:23] <bzed> definitely
[02-Apr-2007 16:53:33] <bzed> I have that on as many machines as possible
[02-Apr-2007 16:55:55] <bzed> the other lucky thing for me is that I'm working at a university's department, so there's always another firewall between the world an us, as the there's one between the university's network and the rest of the world. that means that I don't ahve to take care of DOS attacks and things like that.
[02-Apr-2007 16:57:31] <illsci> well... i don't agree that firewalls protect against dos at all
[02-Apr-2007 16:57:39] <illsci> infact dos'ing a firewall is pretty easy
[02-Apr-2007 16:58:40] <illsci> all you can do is have lots of bandwidth and figure out who's doing it and have them blocked on upstream routers that can handle the load
[02-Apr-2007 17:00:00] <illsci> there is some other services i know of that are going to come out soon offering ddos protection from some companies that have crazy bandwidth...
[02-Apr-2007 17:00:04] <illsci> there are
[02-Apr-2007 17:03:47] <illsci> well, its time to go sit in traffic... bbl
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[02-Apr-2007 17:10:52] <creiht> stockholm: Zenoss can use nagios plugins, so anything you can monitor with nagios, you can monitor with zenoss
[02-Apr-2007 17:11:32] <stockholm> creiht: ah, good
[02-Apr-2007 17:11:35] <creiht> It also has a project called zenplugins which is remote scripts that are run on the servers, if you don't want to run snmp or nagios plugins
[02-Apr-2007 17:12:37] <creiht> stockholm: There is also a VMWare player image set up with zenoss that makes it very simple to evaluate if you just want to take it for a spin
[02-Apr-2007 17:21:22] <bzed> illsci: nah, didn't want to say it that way. what I wanted to say is: the univiersity's firewall/filters/... protects our departments firewall from DOSes.
[02-Apr-2007 17:21:44] <bzed> stockholm: we'll package the zenplugins for debian and ubuntu, too - ofcourse :)
[02-Apr-2007 17:23:13] <stockholm> :-)
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[02-Apr-2007 18:10:00] <WolfeWLU> Hello everyone.
[02-Apr-2007 18:10:17] <WolfeWLU> This is probably a stupid question..but coming from Nagios and reading the Zenoss docs I can't seem to figure it out.
[02-Apr-2007 18:10:45] <WolfeWLU> How can I attach an active ping probe to a device that will alert if the latency and/or packet loss gets above a certain level?
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[02-Apr-2007 18:17:32] <oubiwann> WolfeWLU: hey man, I just saw your question, but I unfortunately can't stick around -- however
[02-Apr-2007 18:17:42] <oubiwann> I can provide you with a link that should get you going
[02-Apr-2007 18:19:17] <oubiwann> WolfeWLU: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/HowToNagiosCreateTemplate
[02-Apr-2007 18:19:17] <adytum-bot> Title: HowToNagiosCreateTemplate - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[02-Apr-2007 18:19:38] <oubiwann> WolfeWLU: coming from Nagios-land, that should give you a nice jump start... the Zenoss terminology can be a bit funny
[02-Apr-2007 18:20:12] <oubiwann> WolfeWLU: and can take some getting used to... the glossary might help: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/ZenossGlossary
[02-Apr-2007 18:20:12] <adytum-bot> Title: ZenossGlossary - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[02-Apr-2007 19:00:13] <WolfeWLU> oubiwann: Thank you so much!
[02-Apr-2007 19:00:17] <WolfeWLU> That rocks.
[02-Apr-2007 19:00:30] <oubiwann> WolfeWLU: you bet man ;-)
[02-Apr-2007 19:00:43] <WolfeWLU> Everythings glued together just a little different.
[02-Apr-2007 19:03:08] <WolfeWLU> Wow I was off.
[02-Apr-2007 19:03:10] <WolfeWLU> Thanks again.
[02-Apr-2007 19:09:44] <WolfeWLU> So if I understand correctly, rather than creating checks that you then bind to specific devices, you nav to the place in the device class that contains the types of devices you want the check to apply to. Then you edit the "Device" template with the appropriate checks?
[02-Apr-2007 19:10:21] <oubiwann> yes, that's correct -- but you *can* also do this directly on devices
[02-Apr-2007 19:10:41] <oubiwann> but that only makes sense if you need the check for one device only
[02-Apr-2007 19:10:46] <WolfeWLU> OK.
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[02-Apr-2007 19:12:03] <WolfeWLU> Would be nice to have the flexibility to define the checks separately, then bind them to specific templates.
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[02-Apr-2007 19:16:09] <WolfeWLU> Can you inherit the settings of the existing "Device" template higher up in the hierarchy when creating a new one?
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[02-Apr-2007 19:27:14] <oubiwann> WolfeWLU: it depends what you are calling "up"
[02-Apr-2007 19:28:07] <oubiwann> WolfeWLU: /Devices/Linux inherits from /Devices
[02-Apr-2007 19:29:17] <oubiwann> likewise, if you had /Devices/Linux/Servers, it would inherit from /Devices/Linux, which inherits from /Devices
[02-Apr-2007 19:29:30] <oubiwann> inheritance works on parent-child relationships
[02-Apr-2007 19:29:31] <WolfeWLU> oubiwann: I guess what I'm asking is if I customize "Device" in /Devices/JuniperRouters...then I go to customize "Device" in /Devices/JuniperRouters/HA will "Device" in "HA" inherit the customization from "Device" in "JuniperRouters".
[02-Apr-2007 19:29:43] <oubiwann> yup
[02-Apr-2007 19:30:05] <oubiwann> that's exactly the convenience that Zenoss was built around :-)
[02-Apr-2007 19:30:37] <WolfeWLU> That's pretty cool. :-)
[02-Apr-2007 19:31:42] <WolfeWLU> So a device would get all the properties of "Device" in /Devices/JuniperRouters" and /Devices/JuniperRouters/HA?
[02-Apr-2007 19:32:06] <WolfeWLU> Also, does Zenoss understand the difference between warn and critical on Nagios plugins?
[02-Apr-2007 19:35:18] <oubiwann> WolfeWLU: well, generally, yes -- it does get all the properties... but inheritance means that you only need to change something in the child that you want to override from the parent
[02-Apr-2007 19:35:47] <WolfeWLU> On a per-property basis?
[02-Apr-2007 19:36:19] <WolfeWLU> Having worked with Zope...just trying to understand if its overriding the entire "Device" object or per-property.
[02-Apr-2007 19:36:20] <oubiwann> But if an attribute was overridden in JuniperRouters then HA will get the attribute from the parent, not the grandparent
[02-Apr-2007 19:36:30] <WolfeWLU> OK.
[02-Apr-2007 19:36:33] <WolfeWLU> That makes sense.
[02-Apr-2007 19:36:53] <oubiwann> cool
[02-Apr-2007 19:37:30] <WolfeWLU> Hmm...looks like its overriding the entire "Device" object.
[02-Apr-2007 19:38:10] <WolfeWLU> Created a "Ping" check in the /Devices "Device" object. Didn't show up in devices in /Devices/JuniperRouters
[02-Apr-2007 19:38:39] <WolfeWLU> Because I've overridden the "Device" object there and that "Device" object doesn't have a ping check.
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[03-Apr-2007 04:49:56] <heldt> anyone here?
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[03-Apr-2007 07:02:13] <chairuou> anyone success to install ZenOSS with MySQL 4.x ?
[03-Apr-2007 07:03:27] <b52lap> chairuou, i have installed once zenoss , and from what i have read in the mailling list , you should seriously considere to move in mysql5
[03-Apr-2007 07:04:49] <chairuou> ok, tks...
[03-Apr-2007 07:05:07] * chairuou goto moved slackware 10.2 to 11.0 now ;)
[03-Apr-2007 07:05:19] <b52lap> :d
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[03-Apr-2007 07:17:37] <jeg1972> Afternoon everyone!
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[03-Apr-2007 08:26:48] <claros> EHLO Zenoss
[03-Apr-2007 08:29:28] <claros> I need help about performance templates and custom variables, anybody on line?
[03-Apr-2007 08:29:30] <ricko73> claros: quiet channel
[03-Apr-2007 08:29:42] <claros> VERY quiet
[03-Apr-2007 08:30:20] <ricko73> I can't be of much help yet. I set up the virtual machine demo last week and have only added one device so far
[03-Apr-2007 08:31:25] <claros> I just set up 130 devices in one day, but need halp on very uncommon section...
[03-Apr-2007 08:31:35] <jp10558> claros: you should wait for chet to come online
[03-Apr-2007 08:32:11] <claros> chet is a developer?
[03-Apr-2007 08:32:58] <claros> I think so...
[03-Apr-2007 08:33:38] <claros> we are going to have lunch here (ITALY) see you later
[03-Apr-2007 08:33:41] <claros> Bye
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[03-Apr-2007 10:20:37] <illsci> hey whats up
[03-Apr-2007 10:21:31] <illsci> does zenoss support a way to allow restricted access to certain parts of the dashboard or zenoss? For example if you had customers you wanted to allow to view only their companies infos
[03-Apr-2007 10:43:51] <cdillardhsp> not that I've seen
[03-Apr-2007 10:45:07] <creiht> illsci: I believe that you can not to that extent yet
[03-Apr-2007 10:45:46] <illsci> if you could and allow permission based acknowledgement that would be cool too
[03-Apr-2007 10:45:52] <creiht> illsci: What info do you want them to see?
[03-Apr-2007 10:45:59] <illsci> there alerts
[03-Apr-2007 10:46:02] <illsci> events...
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[03-Apr-2007 10:46:14] <creiht> I've made a page that linked to the performance graphs
[03-Apr-2007 10:46:23] <creiht> Of certain devices
[03-Apr-2007 10:46:35] <illsci> i think a good way would be to create group based dashboards and allow access to that
[03-Apr-2007 10:46:39] <creiht> Not sure if you could do alerts and events though
[03-Apr-2007 10:46:51] <illsci> alerts == events
[03-Apr-2007 10:47:02] <illsci> forgive me for my complete lack of correct use of terms
[03-Apr-2007 10:47:10] <creiht> You can create a read-only account, but they would be able to see everything
[03-Apr-2007 10:47:45] <illsci> i would love to be able to have a dashboard created with admin defined priveledges
[03-Apr-2007 10:48:13] <illsci> and one of the features to be to allow users who log in to ack events
[03-Apr-2007 10:48:50] <creiht> illsci: There is a mechanism so that you can set what boxes a user can admin
[03-Apr-2007 10:49:08] <creiht> I haven't used it though, so I'm not cmpletly sure what that does
[03-Apr-2007 10:49:09] <illsci> think about this from a managed services company point of view
[03-Apr-2007 10:49:13] <illsci> you manage all these devices
[03-Apr-2007 10:49:32] <creiht> illsci: Oh I completely understand.... That's what my company does :)
[03-Apr-2007 10:49:33] <illsci> you monitor them 24/7 for someone and they, the someone, would like a view into what you are monitoring
[03-Apr-2007 10:49:42] <illsci> word up
[03-Apr-2007 10:49:47] <creiht> Though we don't use zenoss for that
[03-Apr-2007 10:49:53] <creiht> unfortunately
[03-Apr-2007 10:50:10] <illsci> i worked at the symantec mssp for a while...
[03-Apr-2007 10:50:11] <creiht> I use it internally to monitor internal devices important to my group
[03-Apr-2007 10:50:54] <illsci> i just know what people want to see... and what would be of use to me..
[03-Apr-2007 10:51:29] <creiht> I know there have been a lot of requests for something like that
[03-Apr-2007 10:51:38] <illsci> and then integrate a ticketing system :)
[03-Apr-2007 10:52:29] <creiht> It should be easy to integrate with other systems
[03-Apr-2007 10:53:22] <illsci> im not sure what the right way to do tha twould be... have you ever seen atlasian... the wiki can accept emails
[03-Apr-2007 10:53:44] <creiht> illsci: Confluence? Yes we use it here..
[03-Apr-2007 10:53:52] <illsci> yeah i thought that was pretty cool
[03-Apr-2007 10:54:01] <creiht> It's pretty nice
[03-Apr-2007 10:54:10] <creiht> I haven't used the email functionality though
[03-Apr-2007 10:54:59] <creiht> You can set up zenoss to run scripts when certain events happen
[03-Apr-2007 10:55:14] <creiht> So as long as you could create a ticket with a script, then that is one easy way
[03-Apr-2007 10:55:33] <illsci> i just wonder if thats the right way to do that
[03-Apr-2007 10:55:49] <illsci> you could just have the event generate an email and something to process inbound emails...
[03-Apr-2007 10:56:15] <illsci> you could have it call someone and play a canned message... there you go automated 24/7 monitoring :)
[03-Apr-2007 10:56:30] <illsci> "You server $server is down"
[03-Apr-2007 10:57:09] <creiht> hehe
[03-Apr-2007 10:57:21] <creiht> That's nice unless you get 100 alerts at once :)
[03-Apr-2007 10:57:30] <illsci> :)
[03-Apr-2007 10:57:51] <illsci> most companies that do that stuff have sla's on ammount of time it takes to notify someone of a down device
[03-Apr-2007 10:58:11] <creiht> yup
[03-Apr-2007 10:58:15] <illsci> you could totally automate that
[03-Apr-2007 10:58:28] <creiht> Been there, done that :)
[03-Apr-2007 10:58:30] <illsci> and have it go through customer device call lists
[03-Apr-2007 10:58:42] <illsci> device == defined
[03-Apr-2007 10:58:50] <creiht> yup
[03-Apr-2007 10:59:58] <illsci> ive wanted to write something like this but i never get passed where to start...
[03-Apr-2007 11:00:05] <creiht> hehe
[03-Apr-2007 11:00:06] <illsci> i read the doc on python.org about rackspace... and there
[03-Apr-2007 11:00:11] <illsci> stuff
[03-Apr-2007 11:00:14] <creiht> Well I can tell you that it is a really big project
[03-Apr-2007 11:01:20] <creiht> hehe... I forgot that article is there... A bit out of date :)
[03-Apr-2007 11:03:19] <illsci> so.. how do you integrate your monitoring with your ticketing :)
[03-Apr-2007 11:03:38] <illsci> query a database for flagged events...
[03-Apr-2007 11:03:43] <creiht> hrmmmm
[03-Apr-2007 11:03:53] <illsci> one shared database..
[03-Apr-2007 11:03:53] <creiht> It's a bit complicated
[03-Apr-2007 11:04:02] <illsci> i just wonder what the best way to do it is
[03-Apr-2007 11:04:07] <creiht> As there are many monitoring systems
[03-Apr-2007 11:04:16] <illsci> ok so say you choose to use zenoss...
[03-Apr-2007 11:04:26] <creiht> And I'm not sure how much I can talk about it :)
[03-Apr-2007 11:04:30] <illsci> right
[03-Apr-2007 11:04:36] <creiht> but
[03-Apr-2007 11:04:38] <illsci> i havent dug into this at all yet
[03-Apr-2007 11:04:42] <creiht> If I were to use zenoss
[03-Apr-2007 11:04:54] <creiht> Zenoss would be responsible for the polling
[03-Apr-2007 11:05:17] <creiht> You could have zenoss autogenerate tickets in your ticketing system
[03-Apr-2007 11:05:20] <creiht> Or emails
[03-Apr-2007 11:05:26] <illsci> what about tis database
[03-Apr-2007 11:05:41] <illsci> i dont know how its stored internally in zenoss
[03-Apr-2007 11:05:52] <jreese> you'd want to use it's api
[03-Apr-2007 11:05:57] <creiht> yeah
[03-Apr-2007 11:06:00] <illsci> hmm... ok
[03-Apr-2007 11:06:04] <creiht> You don't need to know much about the internals
[03-Apr-2007 11:06:06] <illsci> rather than query the db
[03-Apr-2007 11:06:09] <illsci> because that can change..
[03-Apr-2007 11:06:09] <jreese> i'm sure zenoss has the ability for you to extend it's event notification system
[03-Apr-2007 11:06:10] <illsci> ok
[03-Apr-2007 11:06:18] <creiht> jreese: exactly
[03-Apr-2007 11:06:42] <jreese> it's been able to do everything i wanted so far
[03-Apr-2007 11:06:52] <jreese> though nothing hugely advanced, i'm happy with that :P
[03-Apr-2007 11:06:59] <illsci> did you guys use festival to send messages to ppl over phones?
[03-Apr-2007 11:07:09] <creiht> nope
[03-Apr-2007 11:08:07] <creiht> We use a very custom ticketing system, and pretty much everything is done through tickets
[03-Apr-2007 11:08:35] <illsci> i think thats the right way to do that
[03-Apr-2007 11:08:52] <illsci> but then how do you archive tickets to glean infos from past events...
[03-Apr-2007 11:08:52] <creiht> It has proven itself fairly well
[03-Apr-2007 11:09:16] <creiht> ahhhh
[03-Apr-2007 11:09:16] <b52lap> creiht, yu use open source ticketing system ?
[03-Apr-2007 11:09:17] <creiht> yes
[03-Apr-2007 11:09:18] <illsci> like an automated knowledgebase... in wiki format... or searching db
[03-Apr-2007 11:09:28] <illsci> rt?
[03-Apr-2007 11:09:30] <creiht> b52lap: No, it is custom built in house
[03-Apr-2007 11:09:34] <illsci> word
[03-Apr-2007 11:09:51] <b52lap> creiht, ah ok ; do you open source ones ?
[03-Apr-2007 11:10:23] <b52lap> not a php based .... :)
[03-Apr-2007 11:10:23] <creiht> b52lap: Unfortunately no... but I'm not sure it would work for most other companies, as it is highly custom to how we do things
[03-Apr-2007 11:10:47] <b52lap> creiht, hm , ok
[03-Apr-2007 11:11:14] <illsci> you guys are much more organized that other large, probably larger, people in the same .biz
[03-Apr-2007 11:11:30] <creiht> hehe... We have to be :)
[03-Apr-2007 11:12:09] <jreese> :P
[03-Apr-2007 11:13:03] <creiht> We also have to be efficient as customers expect more from us
[03-Apr-2007 11:13:26] <creiht> Either way... there are plenty of interesting problems to solve :)
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[03-Apr-2007 12:21:33] <claros> HELO Zenoss
[03-Apr-2007 12:24:39] <claros> Quit channel as usual...
[03-Apr-2007 12:24:45] <claros> Queit channel as usual...
[03-Apr-2007 12:25:01] <chet> More listeners than talkers..
[03-Apr-2007 12:25:21] <claros> Dear mr chet, i've a question for you
[03-Apr-2007 12:25:42] <claros> I need to monitor 12 wireless bridge
[03-Apr-2007 12:26:26] <claros> devices have an ip address to manage them, but interfaces are without ip address
[03-Apr-2007 12:26:54] <claros> I want to monitor the wirless channel to see if it changes
[03-Apr-2007 12:27:17] <chet> The wireless channel is an OID on each interface?
[03-Apr-2007 12:28:12] <claros> It is an OID for the device, fastethernet interface do not have a channell
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[03-Apr-2007 12:29:06] <claros> I monitor two OIDs : oriWirelessifChannel and oriWirelessifDFSPriorityChannel
[03-Apr-2007 12:29:24] <claros> They are proxym bridge...
[03-Apr-2007 12:30:42] <claros> I want to setup a Thresholds named "Channel Change" with formula like "oriWirelessifChannel -oriWirelessifDFSPriorityChannel" = 0
[03-Apr-2007 12:31:17] <chet> You'd have to set that up as two separate thresholds.
[03-Apr-2007 12:31:19] <claros> apart from here.speed i don't know how to consider other values ...
[03-Apr-2007 12:31:46] <chet> here refers to the IpInterface object. What other values would you be interested in?
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[03-Apr-2007 12:32:40] <claros> The OID values, expecially oriWirelessifChannel, the current channel
[03-Apr-2007 12:36:27] <chet> So you want to subtract one from the other and make sure it is or isn't 0?
[03-Apr-2007 12:37:25] <claros> To make sure it is 0 and no radar was detected on the channell (ETSI rules do not allow fixed channels here in EU)
[03-Apr-2007 12:38:16] <chet> So no subtraction is necessary? Both OIDs need to be 0?
[03-Apr-2007 12:39:10] <claros> No, let say the 1st OID is 120 and the 2nd 120, everythink check ok, otherwise....
[03-Apr-2007 12:39:30] <claros> OID are integers
[03-Apr-2007 12:40:22] <chet> That's too bad. There's currently no way to do that without using a command plugin to compare the values.
[03-Apr-2007 12:41:35] <claros> I could use a fixed variable in the form cXxxx for my preferred channell, but still have to read an OID, the current channel one...
[03-Apr-2007 12:59:26] <claros> chet, seem a quite difficult question... let's try another?
[03-Apr-2007 13:03:32] <claros> The same kind of bridge is on a network let say 192.168.131.128/29
[03-Apr-2007 13:03:57] <claros> To zenoss this network result in this way:
[03-Apr-2007 13:04:28] <claros> 192.168.131.129/29 router 1
[03-Apr-2007 13:05:24] <claros> 192.168.130/20 No Device but ping 1 (this is a bridge)
[03-Apr-2007 13:05:48] <claros> 192.168.131/29 No Device but ping UP (this is a bridge)
[03-Apr-2007 13:06:02] <claros> 192.168.132/29 Router 2
[03-Apr-2007 13:06:36] <claros> That seem to me that a device without ip address on yhe interface breaks the network topology
[03-Apr-2007 13:07:46] <claros> As a consequence, traps originated from bridges are not associated with the device, even if it is defined?
[03-Apr-2007 13:08:21] <claros> How can I associate those ip address to the device?
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[03-Apr-2007 15:00:28] <illsci> hey do you need python-dev installed for zenoss to install?
[03-Apr-2007 15:01:05] <illsci> nevermind...
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[03-Apr-2007 16:40:55] <densone> hey zenoss friends
[03-Apr-2007 16:41:26] <densone> wondering what I have to configure to get snmp to respond properly with zenoss
[03-Apr-2007 16:41:32] <densone> any docs on that?
[03-Apr-2007 16:44:57] <creiht> densone: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/NetSnmpConfiguration
[03-Apr-2007 16:44:57] <adytum-bot> Title: NetSnmpConfiguration - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
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[03-Apr-2007 18:55:37] <densone> can someone in here help me snmp config?
[03-Apr-2007 18:57:22] <creiht> densone: Did you check out http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/NetSnmpConfiguration?
[03-Apr-2007 18:57:22] <adytum-bot> Title: NetSnmpConfiguration - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[03-Apr-2007 18:58:37] <densone> creiht: ill look there now
[03-Apr-2007 18:58:37] <creiht> densone: Or are you using windows instead of Linux?
[03-Apr-2007 18:58:38] <densone> thanks
[03-Apr-2007 18:58:43] <densone> im on ubuntu
[03-Apr-2007 18:58:53] <creiht> Then that page should have everything you need
[03-Apr-2007 18:59:01] <densone> sweet
[03-Apr-2007 18:59:08] <densone> I was looking for something like that
[03-Apr-2007 18:59:38] <korozion> do you just add those commands to a blank snmp.conf, or what?
[03-Apr-2007 18:59:42] <korozion> Do you need to change things?
[03-Apr-2007 19:00:21] <creiht> korozion: You could copy and paste directly
[03-Apr-2007 19:00:43] <creiht> The only thing that you might want to chance is the community string
[03-Apr-2007 19:01:51] <creiht> There is also a way where you can make it only allow snmp access fro a specific host.
[03-Apr-2007 19:02:32] <korozion> ok, thanks
[03-Apr-2007 19:02:42] <korozion> but, copy and paste to my existing default snmp.conf, or a new file?
[03-Apr-2007 19:02:50] <creiht> ph
[03-Apr-2007 19:02:52] <creiht> err
[03-Apr-2007 19:02:54] <creiht> oh
[03-Apr-2007 19:02:57] <creiht> a new file
[03-Apr-2007 19:02:58] <creiht> sorry
[03-Apr-2007 19:03:06] <korozion> heh, no problem
[03-Apr-2007 19:03:06] <korozion> thanks!
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[03-Apr-2007 19:04:30] <korozion> was it something I said? :(
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[03-Apr-2007 19:17:24] <WolfeWLU> Is there a way to submit feature requests into the Zenoss Trac?
[03-Apr-2007 19:17:54] <korozion> I still get no cpu information
[03-Apr-2007 19:18:00] <korozion> Oooo but I do get graphs now!
[03-Apr-2007 19:18:57] <korozion> how come I'm unable to set it to monitor mysql?
[03-Apr-2007 19:20:37] <densone> still getting: 2007-04-03 16:19:56 CRITICAL zen.DeviceLoader no snmp found for ip = 192.168.4.6
[03-Apr-2007 19:20:52] <densone> used the config from the site
[03-Apr-2007 19:21:11] <densone> any recommendations?
[03-Apr-2007 19:22:01] <korozion> make sure snmpd is running on the target machine first
[03-Apr-2007 19:22:26] <korozion> is it a Linux box?
[03-Apr-2007 19:25:23] <densone> tis linux
[03-Apr-2007 19:25:54] <korozion> netstat -lptnu |grep 161
[03-Apr-2007 19:25:57] <korozion> make sure it's listening
[03-Apr-2007 19:26:01] <densone> snmp 6015 0.0 0.1 25012 4820 ? S 16:18 0:00 /usr/sbin/snmpd -Lsd -Lf /dev/null -u snmp -I -smux -p /var/run/snmpd.pid 127.0.0.1
[03-Apr-2007 19:26:07] <korozion> also, a lot of systems will bind to 127.0.0.1
[03-Apr-2007 19:26:10] <korozion> aha, so it does
[03-Apr-2007 19:26:19] <densone> (No info could be read for "-p": geteuid()=1000 but you should be root.)
[03-Apr-2007 19:26:19] <densone> udp 0 0 127.0.0.1:161 0.0.0.0:*
[03-Apr-2007 19:26:26] <korozion> stop the service, then run /usr/sbin/snmpd -Lsd -Lf /dev/null -u snmp -I -smux -p /var/run/snmpd.pid
[03-Apr-2007 19:26:30] <densone> lol
[03-Apr-2007 19:26:32] <korozion> (without the 127.0.0.1 on the end
[03-Apr-2007 19:26:38] <korozion> then try it again
[03-Apr-2007 19:26:45] <korozion> (adding to zenoss that is)
[03-Apr-2007 19:26:52] <densone> thanks
[03-Apr-2007 19:27:15] <korozion> I had to manually edit /etc/default/snmpd and remove the 127.0.0.1 so it would listen on all ips
[03-Apr-2007 19:27:27] <korozion> something more safe might be to add the actual IP you're using
[03-Apr-2007 19:27:48] <korozion> keep in mind snmp can give out a lot of details about your system, and you probably don't want the world to be able to get said data
[03-Apr-2007 19:28:48] <korozion> I usually add a firewall rule to only allow the IP of the monitoring machine, to remote systems
[03-Apr-2007 19:28:59] <korozion> I'm not sure if that's the best/safest way, but it seems to work
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[03-Apr-2007 20:06:21] <densone> korozion: do you remember how to set the listen address in the config?
[03-Apr-2007 20:07:07] <korozion> no, but I wish I did :)
[03-Apr-2007 20:07:20] <korozion> I just edited that file
[03-Apr-2007 20:07:30] <korozion> /etc/default/snmpd
[03-Apr-2007 20:07:36] <Snake-Eyes> set listen ip address for snmpd ?
[03-Apr-2007 20:07:37] <korozion> not sure if that's the correct way, but it works
[03-Apr-2007 20:07:59] <Snake-Eyes> you have to change your init.d script
[03-Apr-2007 20:09:17] <Snake-Eyes> if you look at snmpd man page, it shows you eg snmpd udp:128.128.128.128:161
[03-Apr-2007 20:10:35] <Snake-Eyes> ah
[03-Apr-2007 20:13:09] <Snake-Eyes> korozion, what linux distro do you run ?
[03-Apr-2007 20:13:31] <korozion> Debian
[03-Apr-2007 20:13:39] <korozion> well, kubuntu here at home
[03-Apr-2007 20:13:42] <korozion> where I'm testing zenoss
[03-Apr-2007 20:14:54] <Snake-Eyes> hmm, i didnt touch default, i just edited snmpd init.d script, seeing I stop and start snmpd via init.d
[03-Apr-2007 20:15:08] <korozion> my init.d calls that default conf
[03-Apr-2007 20:15:13] <korozion> so I just edited it there
[03-Apr-2007 20:15:42] <Snake-Eyes> odd, mine doesnt it list all options etc in the script
[03-Apr-2007 20:15:56] <Snake-Eyes> oh wait kubuntu would be unstable
[03-Apr-2007 20:16:08] <korozion> indeed
[03-Apr-2007 20:16:33] <Snake-Eyes> they must have changed it between versions, i have the default file but it isn't called by init
[03-Apr-2007 20:16:48] <korozion> weird
[03-Apr-2007 20:17:41] <Snake-Eyes> thus all the defaults are redefined again in the script
[03-Apr-2007 20:18:37] <Snake-Eyes> nm its called, i missed the statement
[03-Apr-2007 20:19:23] <korozion> heh
[03-Apr-2007 20:19:27] <Snake-Eyes> hmm now what to do
[03-Apr-2007 20:20:02] * Snake-Eyes sighs
[03-Apr-2007 20:25:23] <Snake-Eyes> time to reverse some changes :(
[03-Apr-2007 20:25:35] <korozion> what's broked?
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[03-Apr-2007 20:37:05] <Snake-Eyes> nothing
[03-Apr-2007 20:37:33] <Snake-Eyes> just using the defaults file is alot better way than what i did
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[03-Apr-2007 21:11:46] <WolfeWLU> Does zenoss support the concept of DataSource/Threshold/Graph configurations that you can import at will into templates? Idea being you've got /Devices/Device and /Devices/Network/Device which are technically different, but both need a "Ping" DataSource/Threshold pair.
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[03-Apr-2007 22:35:28] <densone> so I am still stuck trying to change the LISTEN for snmpd
[03-Apr-2007 22:35:41] <densone> from 127.0.0.1 to the actual ip
[03-Apr-2007 22:35:52] <densone> anyone have any insight on where to add this
[03-Apr-2007 22:36:06] <korozion> only the idea I had before
[03-Apr-2007 22:46:27] <densone> k
[03-Apr-2007 22:46:33] <densone> looks like it worked this time
[03-Apr-2007 22:46:48] <densone> wasnt running with sudo
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[04-Apr-2007 00:30:53] <Igbothom_3rd> hi, I'm currently looking for a monitoring app that will let me not only monitor the devices on our own network, but also those of our clients. Most will be Windows devices, the rest will be routers, printers, Linux/BSD boxes and so on. Will Zenoss allow me to do this?
[04-Apr-2007 00:32:41] <korozion> I'm pretty new to ZenOSS, but it seems that if it has snmp, ZenOSS can monitor it
[04-Apr-2007 00:33:04] <Igbothom_3rd> there's a Win client too, I see
[04-Apr-2007 00:33:05] <korozion> I think it can monitor in other ways too
[04-Apr-2007 00:33:08] <korozion> yes, there is
[04-Apr-2007 00:33:31] <Igbothom_3rd> I'm wondering how it will handle remote networks that are not VPN connected
[04-Apr-2007 00:34:00] <Igbothom_3rd> I know that the Hobbit uses a site-based "host" to handle this, which is sensible, and it reports back to the main server
[04-Apr-2007 00:34:25] <korozion> I'd use 1) an ssh tunnel, or 2) a simple firewall rule to only allow the monitoring computer's IP to connect to the snmp port
[04-Apr-2007 00:34:38] <Igbothom_3rd> or the agent on each machine talks to the server - the site-based host is used to gather local network SNMP info from printers and such and send back to the main server
[04-Apr-2007 00:35:12] <Igbothom_3rd> that's fine for a single computer, but if there are 25 PCs and 10 other network devices on a remote site...
[04-Apr-2007 00:35:19] <korozion> I see
[04-Apr-2007 00:35:32] <korozion> I'm probably not the person to answer that question then
[04-Apr-2007 00:35:54] <Igbothom_3rd> on one single network with WAN links and private/VPN connections, it is really easy. But that's not my scenario :)
[04-Apr-2007 00:37:24] <Igbothom_3rd> Zenoss looks hell sweet, tho
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[04-Apr-2007 00:39:09] <korozion> yeah, I've been messing with it for a little while, and so far I really like it
[04-Apr-2007 00:39:21] <korozion> I even got a tee-shirt!
[04-Apr-2007 00:39:28] <Igbothom_3rd> lol
[04-Apr-2007 00:39:38] <korozion> thing is, I only have a few machines local, so I need to do some remote monitoring
[04-Apr-2007 00:40:39] <Igbothom_3rd> yeah, local monitoring isn't that difficult - it is when you go remote and need to monitor a remote network that the fun starts
[04-Apr-2007 00:41:47] <korozion> well, my luck has it, that it's just a few machines that are remote
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[04-Apr-2007 01:18:24] <Igbothom_3rd> korozion, who would I need to pester to find out what I'm asking? :)
[04-Apr-2007 01:21:15] <korozion> Igbothom_3rd: I'm not sure, but it seems that some more knowledgable people are around in the day time (est)
[04-Apr-2007 01:21:26] <Igbothom_3rd> it *is* day time here :)
[04-Apr-2007 01:21:32] <korozion> :)
[04-Apr-2007 01:21:49] <korozion> I kinda figured, which is where the (est) came in :P
[04-Apr-2007 01:22:18] <Igbothom_3rd> and surprisingly, I live in Brisbane, which means we use EST here, too!
[04-Apr-2007 01:22:30] <korozion> heh
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[04-Apr-2007 06:21:50] <N[]vA|> morning
[04-Apr-2007 06:21:54] <N[]vA|> any one seen this before?
[04-Apr-2007 06:21:55] <N[]vA|> CRITICAL - Socket timeout after 10 seconds
[04-Apr-2007 06:22:01] <N[]vA|> im monitoring web pages
[04-Apr-2007 06:22:04] <N[]vA|> 8 per server
[04-Apr-2007 06:22:06] <N[]vA|> 20 servers
[04-Apr-2007 06:22:13] <N[]vA|> get timeouts like this all the time
[04-Apr-2007 06:22:34] <N[]vA|> also another thing is does zenoss have kinda flap detection?
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[04-Apr-2007 07:14:23] <iuso> hi, is there a way for a zenoss service to import data from another zenoss service? so that if we have networks A and B, and both have their own zenoss monitoring set up, then the zenoss in network A could display charts of network B's stats?
[04-Apr-2007 07:25:54] <iuso> (A and B networks are not connected, but the zenoss server in A can connect to the zenoss server in B via internet)
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[04-Apr-2007 10:28:49] <Lejano> hello
[04-Apr-2007 10:29:14] <Lejano> anybody tried to configure zenoss on FreeBSD 6.2?
[04-Apr-2007 10:29:29] <Lejano> or red hat fedora 6
[04-Apr-2007 10:29:30] <Lejano> ?
[04-Apr-2007 10:30:44] <creiht> Lejano: I have on RHEL
[04-Apr-2007 10:30:52] <creiht> Are you running into problems
[04-Apr-2007 10:31:52] <Lejano> yes on fedora I have dependency mysql 5.2 problems
[04-Apr-2007 10:32:07] <Lejano> on freebsd I cannot even run install.sh
[04-Apr-2007 10:32:16] <Lejano> eventhough I have everything installed
[04-Apr-2007 10:41:40] <creiht> Lejano: What happens when you try to run install.sh on fbsd?
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[04-Apr-2007 12:42:03] <breadatfacebook> How are zenoss admins setting up "Systems" and "Groups"?
[04-Apr-2007 12:42:35] <breadatfacebook> I'm having trouble understanding the difference between systems and groups
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[04-Apr-2007 12:55:50] <dan__t> 'morning.
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[04-Apr-2007 13:12:14] <dan__t> I'd just like to say - I love Zenoss.
[04-Apr-2007 13:12:36] <dan__t> I appreciate all the work that has gone into it, if any contributers are seeing this. Thank you.
[04-Apr-2007 13:36:03] <creiht> breadatfacebook: I mostly just use groups
[04-Apr-2007 13:36:42] <creiht> The one difference with systems is that it has the Performance tab
[04-Apr-2007 13:36:58] <creiht> Which shows the performnace info for every system in the group
[04-Apr-2007 13:37:21] <creiht> It seems like there was another difference as well, but I can't remember
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[04-Apr-2007 14:40:35] <breadatfacebook> I think I'm going to augment my loader script, rather than loading devices and then manipulating their attributes later
[04-Apr-2007 14:41:00] <breadatfacebook> I'm going to go for the "delete and recreate" method of "making zenoss attributes correct"
[04-Apr-2007 14:41:05] <breadatfacebook> sound OK? anyone else do that?
[04-Apr-2007 14:41:36] <creiht> breadatfacebook: What type of attributes?
[04-Apr-2007 14:41:39] <breadatfacebook> it seems more fullproof that way
[04-Apr-2007 14:41:53] <creiht> oh
[04-Apr-2007 14:41:55] <creiht> i see
[04-Apr-2007 14:41:59] <creiht> makes sense
[04-Apr-2007 14:42:14] <breadatfacebook> such as, datacenter location, monitoring thresholds, serial numbers, etc
[04-Apr-2007 14:42:22] <breadatfacebook> if any of those are "wrong"
[04-Apr-2007 14:42:40] <breadatfacebook> rather than fixing, I'm going to delete the device and recreate via xml load
[04-Apr-2007 14:42:46] <creiht> yeah... luckily I haven't run into anything like that
[04-Apr-2007 14:42:59] <creiht> But that should work fine
[04-Apr-2007 14:43:02] <breadatfacebook> well, how'd you populate the locations?
[04-Apr-2007 14:43:06] <creiht> And would be easier for a lot of devices
[04-Apr-2007 14:43:10] <creiht> I dont
[04-Apr-2007 14:43:15] <breadatfacebook> oh..hehe
[04-Apr-2007 14:43:22] <creiht> luckily I only monitor about 100 devices
[04-Apr-2007 14:43:31] <breadatfacebook> gotcha, I'm at 2500
[04-Apr-2007 14:43:37] <creiht> cool
[04-Apr-2007 14:43:51] <creiht> So are you using it at facebook?
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[04-Apr-2007 14:44:43] <breadatfacebook> I'm evaluating zenoss...not exactly "using" it though
[04-Apr-2007 14:44:49] <creiht> ahhh
[04-Apr-2007 14:44:55] <breadatfacebook> I've got like 2000 false events clogging it up that I need to filter
[04-Apr-2007 14:45:32] <breadatfacebook> my machines are busy, so the snmp collector thinks snmp is broken, but its not, its just slow and lots of data
[04-Apr-2007 14:45:44] <creiht> Yeah I have that problem periodically
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[04-Apr-2007 14:46:08] <creiht> Ever since 1.1.1 it seems a bit more chatty with those types of things
[04-Apr-2007 14:46:20] <creiht> I get processes are not running or snmp is not running
[04-Apr-2007 14:46:22] <breadatfacebook> plus, I'm still trying to fix the filesystem monitor filters in a scalable way cause I've got about 100 filesystems that are *supposed* to be 100% full
[04-Apr-2007 14:46:23] <creiht> whey they are
[04-Apr-2007 14:48:04] <creiht> breadatfacebook: Do they all have different names?
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[04-Apr-2007 15:02:13] <_chris_> breadatfacebook: have you looked at the zFilesystemIngore zProperty?
[04-Apr-2007 15:02:37] <_chris_> you can use it to tell zenoss not to create events on certain filesystems that you expect to be full (e.g. /mnt/cdrom, /dev, whatever)
[04-Apr-2007 15:04:42] <breadatfacebook> yeah, I need to use a regexp though, cause I've got like 100 filesystems to ignore, and another added every week or so....3 regexps could take care of it in a scalable way if zenoss lets me define regexp
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[04-Apr-2007 15:09:01] <densone> I am a little confused with the zenoss interface
[04-Apr-2007 15:09:05] <densone> hoping someone can help me out
[04-Apr-2007 15:09:27] <densone> I have figured out how to add a device and get the configuration via snmp
[04-Apr-2007 15:09:35] <densone> but how do I monitor that device.
[04-Apr-2007 15:09:49] <densone> and see the processes graphs and charts
[04-Apr-2007 15:09:55] <densone> I am missing something here.
[04-Apr-2007 15:10:01] <creiht> densone: Once you add a device it will begin monitoring
[04-Apr-2007 15:10:06] <_chris_> breadatfacebook: zFilesystemIgnore allows for a regex i believe
[04-Apr-2007 15:10:15] <creiht> It will take it a little while for enough data to come in
[04-Apr-2007 15:10:32] <creiht> If you click on the device, and then the Perf tab, you will see the performance graphs
[04-Apr-2007 15:14:00] <Igbothom_III> "a little while" means about 30 minutes tops, not 5 minutes nor 2 days :)
[04-Apr-2007 15:14:14] <densone> lets take a look here
[04-Apr-2007 15:14:20] <densone> I left it overnight
[04-Apr-2007 15:14:26] <creiht> hehe
[04-Apr-2007 15:14:31] <creiht> It can be up to 20 minutes
[04-Apr-2007 15:14:47] <creiht> If you restart zenoss it will start collecting immediately
[04-Apr-2007 15:17:23] <densone> ok so I added this device
[04-Apr-2007 15:17:28] <densone> let me try to restart now
[04-Apr-2007 15:17:56] <creiht> densone: It will also take a couple of minutes initialy for enough data to be collected
[04-Apr-2007 15:18:21] <creiht> (as in 5-10 minutes I think )
[04-Apr-2007 15:19:15] <densone> so how do I know its actively gathering data
[04-Apr-2007 15:19:18] <densone> is there a log
[04-Apr-2007 15:19:24] <densone> or something that will tell me it polling?
[04-Apr-2007 15:19:29] <creiht> The graphs should show up
[04-Apr-2007 15:19:32] <creiht> But will be empty
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[04-Apr-2007 15:19:38] <creiht> You could also watch the logs
[04-Apr-2007 15:19:47] <creiht> logs/zenperfsnmp.log
[04-Apr-2007 15:20:09] <densone> whats the base install dir to zen?
[04-Apr-2007 15:20:11] <creiht> I think it only shows the total number of devices polled though
[04-Apr-2007 15:20:22] <creiht> if you are the zenoss user
[04-Apr-2007 15:20:25] <creiht> it should be
[04-Apr-2007 15:20:27] <creiht> $ZENHOME
[04-Apr-2007 15:20:31] <densone> ahh thats right
[04-Apr-2007 15:27:08] <densone> should "last collection" change everytime the device is polled?
[04-Apr-2007 15:28:02] <creiht> densone: looking...
[04-Apr-2007 15:28:54] <creiht> densone: Oh yes
[04-Apr-2007 15:29:07] <creiht> well
[04-Apr-2007 15:29:10] <creiht> maybe :)
[04-Apr-2007 15:29:19] <densone> lol
[04-Apr-2007 15:29:26] <creiht> Depends on where you see that I think
[04-Apr-2007 15:29:44] <densone> under the device itself
[04-Apr-2007 15:30:28] <densone> /Devices /Server /Linux /Ubuntu /sf-fw01
[04-Apr-2007 15:30:44] <creiht> I'm looking at mine
[04-Apr-2007 15:30:55] <creiht> I'm not sure sure if that is the last collection of data
[04-Apr-2007 15:31:06] <creiht> or the last time the device information was modeled
[04-Apr-2007 15:31:40] <densone> k
[04-Apr-2007 15:33:36] <densone> so I am rebooting the device
[04-Apr-2007 15:33:47] <densone> theoretically I should get an event right?
[04-Apr-2007 15:33:55] <creiht> correct
[04-Apr-2007 15:34:02] <creiht> The next time it polls
[04-Apr-2007 15:34:09] <creiht> I think it polls in 5 minute intervals
[04-Apr-2007 15:34:14] <creiht> by default
[04-Apr-2007 15:34:19] <densone> is there a setting for that somewhere?
[04-Apr-2007 15:34:46] <creiht> yes
[04-Apr-2007 15:35:27] <creiht> but I think it involves a little more than changing a setting
[04-Apr-2007 15:36:29] <densone> ahh
[04-Apr-2007 15:36:31] <densone> I see
[04-Apr-2007 15:38:35] <densone> what is the best way to restart zenoss
[04-Apr-2007 15:39:12] <densone> zenoss restart?
[04-Apr-2007 15:39:32] <creiht> densone: That will work
[04-Apr-2007 15:39:44] <densone> coo
[04-Apr-2007 15:39:48] <creiht> Out of old habits, I usually do a stop, and then start
[04-Apr-2007 15:42:14] <creiht> densone: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/zenoss-0.23
[04-Apr-2007 15:42:14] <adytum-bot> Title: zenoss-0.23 - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[04-Apr-2007 15:42:19] <creiht> There is a section that talks about changing the interval
[04-Apr-2007 15:42:30] <creiht> At that point they changed from 1 minute to 5 minutes
[04-Apr-2007 15:42:44] <creiht> It looks like you use the zenstep command
[04-Apr-2007 15:43:32] <creiht> so say you wanted to change to one minute intervals
[04-Apr-2007 15:43:43] <creiht> stop zenoss
[04-Apr-2007 15:43:45] <creiht> and then run
[04-Apr-2007 15:44:01] <creiht> zenstep --step=60 --commit
[04-Apr-2007 15:44:08] <creiht> and then start zenoss
[04-Apr-2007 15:44:23] <densone> looks like restarting zenoss fixed all my issues
[04-Apr-2007 15:44:35] <creiht> cool
[04-Apr-2007 15:45:37] <densone> now I just have to config net-snmp to not bind 127.0.0.1
[04-Apr-2007 15:48:25] <creiht> densone: Not sure if this will help, but:
[04-Apr-2007 15:48:39] <creiht> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/NetSnmpConfiguration
[04-Apr-2007 15:48:39] <adytum-bot> Title: NetSnmpConfiguration - Zenoss - Trac (at dev.zenoss.org)
[04-Apr-2007 15:50:55] <Igbothom_III> densone, sounds like a Windows problem - restart to fix. :)
[04-Apr-2007 15:55:03] <densone> haha
[04-Apr-2007 15:55:45] <Igbothom_III> (and I'm the one who wants to use Zenoss to manage multiple client sites, mainly running Windows boxes) :)
[04-Apr-2007 15:56:04] <densone> it actually seems like I only get zenoss to collect if I restart it
[04-Apr-2007 15:56:59] <creiht> densone: Zenoss caches the configurations information
[04-Apr-2007 15:57:12] <creiht> And it reloads the config info every 30 minutes
[04-Apr-2007 15:57:26] <Igbothom_III> hhmmm, I think I made reference to that earlier
[04-Apr-2007 15:57:50] <densone> is there somethin s
[04-Apr-2007 15:57:52] <Igbothom_III> (and I've not even used Zenoss yet, d/led the VM yesterday)
[04-Apr-2007 15:58:00] <densone> does that go for everything though?
[04-Apr-2007 15:58:02] <creiht> Igbothom_III: haha
[04-Apr-2007 15:58:05] <creiht> yes
[04-Apr-2007 15:58:08] <creiht> pretty much
[04-Apr-2007 15:58:28] <densone> k ill wait and see what happends
[04-Apr-2007 15:58:35] <Igbothom_III> can you -SIGHUP it to get it to reload now?
[04-Apr-2007 15:58:42] <creiht> yes
[04-Apr-2007 15:58:49] <Igbothom_III> groovy
[04-Apr-2007 15:58:54] <creiht> You can restart the monitor daemons (or the whole thing)
[04-Apr-2007 15:59:01] <creiht> Which will cause the config to reload
[04-Apr-2007 15:59:14] <creiht> Igbothom_III: You can just do
[04-Apr-2007 15:59:17] <creiht> zenoss restart
[04-Apr-2007 15:59:51] <Igbothom_III> that works for me :)
[04-Apr-2007 16:00:38] <Igbothom_III> creiht, can I stick a single ZenWin agent on a server at a client site and have it WMI probe all machines on the site and then report back to my server with the results?
[04-Apr-2007 16:01:41] <Igbothom_III> ... and I gather there's a similar tool that will snmp probe the network and report back to me
[04-Apr-2007 16:01:57] <Igbothom_III> (and these clients are on separate, non-VPNed networks)
[04-Apr-2007 16:02:16] <_chris_> lgbothom_III: the zenwin agent is designed to read NT events from the windows network
[04-Apr-2007 16:02:25] <_chris_> and then forward them back to zenoss via xmlrpc
[04-Apr-2007 16:03:00] <Igbothom_III> events, as in "event logs" or "wmi info" such as performance info, event log info, etc?
[04-Apr-2007 16:03:53] <creiht> Igbothom_III: If you want to collect the data remotely from a server other than your zenoss server
[04-Apr-2007 16:03:53] <_chris_> lgbothom_III: "event logs". performance information is still collected by the central zenoss server via snmp (and the Informant DLL)
[04-Apr-2007 16:04:00] <creiht> Check out the ZenossAdminGuide
[04-Apr-2007 16:04:04] <_chris_> i don't believe zenwin facilitates any kind of performance monitoring
[04-Apr-2007 16:04:08] <creiht> Section 13.2
[04-Apr-2007 16:04:12] <Igbothom_III> hhmmm :(
[04-Apr-2007 16:04:17] <Igbothom_III> reading...
[04-Apr-2007 16:04:32] <creiht> Igbothom_III: You can get windows performance monitoring through snmp and SNMPInformant
[04-Apr-2007 16:05:20] <Igbothom_III> so, no WMI performance capabilities? :(
[04-Apr-2007 16:05:39] <creiht> Igbothom_III: Not sure... I haven't used Zenwin yet
[04-Apr-2007 16:06:03] <Igbothom_III> snmp-informant would need to then be loaded on all machines in the network and what would I run to have that all report back to my remote server?
[04-Apr-2007 16:07:13] <_chris_> lgbothom_III: windows has a native snmp agent built into it. the informant DLL just allows that agent to export additional CPU and memory information
[04-Apr-2007 16:07:18] <Igbothom_III> aahhh, creiht, I don't want to have to install a Zenoss server on every client site (especially since these sites are Windows sites) just to have the info sent to my box
[04-Apr-2007 16:07:37] <_chris_> lgbothom_III: the winders boxes don't push their performance info to the zenoss server. the zenoss server collects it via SNMP
[04-Apr-2007 16:07:56] <Igbothom_III> I have looked into the Hobbit and it runs an agent on each machine BBWin, which can report back most of what I want by default, Zenoss just looks a lot nicer to use, more powerful
[04-Apr-2007 16:07:56] <_chris_> lgbothom_III: you don't have to install zenoss on all your boxes
[04-Apr-2007 16:08:18] <Igbothom_III> native Windows snmp is rather lacklustre
[04-Apr-2007 16:08:30] <dan__t> huh, was i just looking at my facebook thing.
[04-Apr-2007 16:08:35] <dan__t> Small world
[04-Apr-2007 16:08:50] <_chris_> facebook wasn't around when i was slutting around in college :(
[04-Apr-2007 16:08:56] <creiht> Igbothom_III: You have one remote machine running the zenpersnmp daemon
[04-Apr-2007 16:08:57] <dan__t> That's a damn shame.
[04-Apr-2007 16:08:59] <Igbothom_III> facebook?
[04-Apr-2007 16:09:01] <dan__t> It's done me quite well. heh.
[04-Apr-2007 16:09:13] <Igbothom_III> creiht, that's easily doable
[04-Apr-2007 16:09:20] <dan__t> I've stumbled on many a piece of ass that looks much, much better a few years after graduation.
[04-Apr-2007 16:09:34] <creiht> It would collect snmp info from those machine and report information to the main zenoss install
[04-Apr-2007 16:09:43] <Igbothom_III> hang on - is zenpersnmp able to run in Windows? Prolly not :(
[04-Apr-2007 16:09:49] <creiht> You would need to install snmpinformant though on each device
[04-Apr-2007 16:09:59] <creiht> Igbothom_III: I believe so
[04-Apr-2007 16:10:08] <dan__t> I've discovered and used about 1% of Zenoss' full potential. I'm anxious.
[04-Apr-2007 16:10:33] <Igbothom_III> dan__t, most ass looks (and feels) better a few years after graduation :)
[04-Apr-2007 16:10:53] <dan__t> heh heh heh.
[04-Apr-2007 16:10:57] <dan__t> Indeed, sir.
[04-Apr-2007 16:11:13] <Igbothom_III> tho, it is quite enjoyable pre-graduation too :)
[04-Apr-2007 16:11:23] <dan__t> I won't argue that.
[04-Apr-2007 16:11:32] <densone> nice its gathering data
[04-Apr-2007 16:11:37] <_chris_> did anyone notice that last night the first espisode of the latest season of Deadliest Catch aired?
[04-Apr-2007 16:11:45] <_chris_> and Shark Week is comin up.... oh man i love it....
[04-Apr-2007 16:12:13] <dan__t> I want to say that I saw in some screenshots, the ability to put graphs and other data in the dashboard. Like if I wanted to see a section that was entirely "Bandwidth", and another one that was entirely "disk space on /", etc etc.
[04-Apr-2007 16:12:20] <dan__t> Why am I not seeing that?
[04-Apr-2007 16:12:35] <dan__t> No, I did not notice, _chris_.
[04-Apr-2007 16:12:53] <creiht> dan__t: It's pretty easy to create any page that has links to the graphs
[04-Apr-2007 16:13:05] <creiht> If you want you can also customize the main page
[04-Apr-2007 16:13:08] <dan__t> I just want a basic overview of said services blah blah
[04-Apr-2007 16:13:20] <dan__t> Maybe I should just tinker and read some more, I'm just barely getting started
[04-Apr-2007 16:13:26] <dan__t> Just wanted to make sure I was headed in the right direction.
[04-Apr-2007 16:13:43] <creiht> dan__t: It's very much worth a look at :)
[04-Apr-2007 16:15:35] <Igbothom_III> you *sure* there's a "zenpersnmp" that will run natively on Windows? cannot see any mention of it
[04-Apr-2007 16:16:03] <Igbothom_III> oh, or is it a python script?
[04-Apr-2007 16:16:15] <creiht> Igbothom_III: It's a piece of zenoss which is all python
[04-Apr-2007 16:16:19] <Igbothom_III> that's right - Zenoss is python
[04-Apr-2007 16:16:31] <creiht> And as far as I know Zenoss will run on Windows
[04-Apr-2007 16:16:36] <Igbothom_III> so, should run fine on a Windows box with python and pywin installed :)
[04-Apr-2007 16:16:40] <dan__t> I need to ditch Cacti.
[04-Apr-2007 16:16:53] <creiht> Igbothom_III: Double checking though :)
[04-Apr-2007 16:16:58] <Igbothom_III> :)
[04-Apr-2007 16:17:07] <dan__t> I'm sure you guys know how much of a pain in the ass it was to get plugins working
[04-Apr-2007 16:17:24] <creiht> doh
[04-Apr-2007 16:17:33] <creiht> Well it doesn't run on windows right now
[04-Apr-2007 16:17:40] <creiht> Almost everything else though
[04-Apr-2007 16:17:51] <dan__t> And what is zenpersnmp?
[04-Apr-2007 16:17:54] <Igbothom_III> not that I've seen (Zenoss) but hopefully zenpersnmp will
[04-Apr-2007 16:17:54] <creiht> There is a workaround where you can run it as a vmplayer instance on a windows box
[04-Apr-2007 16:18:06] <Igbothom_III> yeah, d/led that yesterday
[04-Apr-2007 16:18:23] <creiht> It is the daemon in zenoss that collects the snmp performance data
[04-Apr-2007 16:18:30] <dan__t> oh ok.
[04-Apr-2007 16:18:40] <dan__t> Is this meant to be a substitute for any other vanilla snmp daemon?
[04-Apr-2007 16:18:58] <creiht> dan__t: It is specific for zenoss
[04-Apr-2007 16:19:09] <dan__t> I see
[04-Apr-2007 16:19:10] <creiht> All it does is collect snmp information from other clients
[04-Apr-2007 16:19:14] <creiht> And report back to zenoss
[04-Apr-2007 16:19:39] <dan__t> And why can't Zenoss do this?
[04-Apr-2007 16:19:46] <dan__t> Or does it facilitate the operation of Zenoss
[04-Apr-2007 16:19:49] <creiht> It's one piece of zenoss
[04-Apr-2007 16:19:55] <dan__t> ah yes, I remember reading htat.
[04-Apr-2007 16:19:57] <dan__t> that, rather.
[04-Apr-2007 16:20:09] <creiht> There are several daemons that all talk with each other
[04-Apr-2007 16:20:15] <dan__t> Yeap, I remember that much.
[04-Apr-2007 16:20:18] <creiht> The idea being that it is easier to distribute
[04-Apr-2007 16:20:23] <dan__t> Cool, its starting to 'click'
[04-Apr-2007 16:20:29] <creiht> So that for instance you can pu the pollers on other servers
[04-Apr-2007 16:20:35] <dan__t> Yeah, that's bad-ass.
[04-Apr-2007 16:20:37] <creiht> Or have more than one server do snmp polling
[04-Apr-2007 16:20:52] <dan__t> Ok, in Cacti, we have "host templates" - what is the Zenoss equivelant?
[04-Apr-2007 16:21:06] <dan__t> "host templates" define certain resources to monitor for a specific host
[04-Apr-2007 16:21:19] <creiht> dan__t: I havn't used Cacti but I will say probably device templates
[04-Apr-2007 16:21:24] <creiht> Zenoss uses a device tree
[04-Apr-2007 16:21:26] <dan__t> ok.
[04-Apr-2007 16:21:29] <dan__t> yeah
[04-Apr-2007 16:21:41] <creiht> You can define template at any point in the device tree
[04-Apr-2007 16:22:05] <Igbothom_III> but will zenpersnmp send data to a remote (as in, across the Internet, not VPN) Zenoss server?
[04-Apr-2007 16:22:31] <creiht> Igbothom_III: As long as it can reach it via IP, I would think so... I haven't actually tried it
[04-Apr-2007 16:22:39] <Igbothom_III> k
[04-Apr-2007 16:24:10] <dan__t> I wonder if I can make a Xen device type, to collect info about Xen devices....
[04-Apr-2007 16:24:18] <creiht> dan__t: Yup
[04-Apr-2007 16:24:42] <dan__t> I'll be porting about a dozen FreeBSD machines under Xen in the coming few days
[04-Apr-2007 16:24:43] <creiht> So under the server devices, you can create a new folder called xen
[04-Apr-2007 16:25:09] <creiht> It will automatically inherit the default monitoring template
[04-Apr-2007 16:25:27] <creiht> You then can copy and paste the ones you want to override, or make new templates of things to monitor
[04-Apr-2007 16:25:47] <creiht> So that any device you put in the folder will be monitored with those templates
[04-Apr-2007 16:26:18] <dan__t> Can I use some sort of multi-dimensional organization, such as /Devices/Server/FreeBSD/Servername and /Database Servers/Machine Name ?
[04-Apr-2007 16:26:31] <dan__t> making them one and the same
[04-Apr-2007 16:26:55] <creiht> wel not directly that way
[04-Apr-2007 16:27:01] <creiht> but
[04-Apr-2007 16:27:05] <dan__t> Because I might have a FreeBSD server, which is a database server. In a tree, I'd like to see it from both sides, I guess
[04-Apr-2007 16:27:10] <dan__t> Doesn't matter, I'm just anal about shit like that
[04-Apr-2007 16:27:15] <creiht> well in that case you would have
[04-Apr-2007 16:27:29] <creiht> /Devices/Server/FreeBSD/Database
[04-Apr-2007 16:27:46] <creiht> The database template would inherit anythign from the FreeBSD template
[04-Apr-2007 16:27:46] <dan__t> Yeah, I could certainly do it that way.
[04-Apr-2007 16:28:16] <creiht> If you want to just organize devices in groups
[04-Apr-2007 16:28:24] <creiht> And don't need other performance metrics
[04-Apr-2007 16:28:31] <dan__t> heh
[04-Apr-2007 16:28:37] <dan__t> No, I need preformance stats.
[04-Apr-2007 16:28:40] <dan__t> performance, rather
[04-Apr-2007 16:29:57] <creiht> cool.. Then if you need other performance data other than what is already collected by the freebsd template then you would want to do that in the device tree
[04-Apr-2007 16:30:13] <dan__t> yep.
[04-Apr-2007 16:30:18] <dan__t> I like this, how I can make my own alerts.
[04-Apr-2007 16:30:25] <dan__t> That's going to be bad-ass for Apache and SQL monitoring and such.
[04-Apr-2007 16:30:38] <dan__t> Throw a result, expect an answer. If good, great. If bad, alert. That's awesome.
[04-Apr-2007 16:31:57] <creiht> dan__t: Do you want to just forec Zenoss to throw a random alert, or do you want to make your own poller in Zenoss?
[04-Apr-2007 16:32:18] <dan__t> Looks like I can do both, right?
[04-Apr-2007 16:32:21] <creiht> yes
[04-Apr-2007 16:32:27] <dan__t> Perfect :)
[04-Apr-2007 16:32:48] <dan__t> Eventually writing my own class or whatever to check a number of metrics in both mysql and/or Apache would be the goal.
[04-Apr-2007 16:32:49] <creiht> For the later, there is a thing called Zenpacks coming that will make writing plugins easier
[04-Apr-2007 16:33:03] <dan__t> Is there a repository or anything of plugins and such that people have made?
[04-Apr-2007 16:33:05] <dan__t> Oh, awesome
[04-Apr-2007 16:33:13] <creiht> You can also create (or use one that is already available) nagios plugin to do the job
[04-Apr-2007 16:33:30] <dan__t> Don't say the N word, please.
[04-Apr-2007 16:33:33] <creiht> hehe
[04-Apr-2007 16:33:43] <dan__t> ruh roh.... one of my techs just dropped the f bomb on a customer...
[04-Apr-2007 16:33:46] <creiht> Well it is there as a last resort incase you need it :)
[04-Apr-2007 16:33:47] <dan__t> gotta go, be back in a few.
[04-Apr-2007 16:37:22] <Igbothom_III> and what's wrong with Nagios?
[04-Apr-2007 16:37:35] <Igbothom_III> ('cept being rather, well cryptic)
[04-Apr-2007 16:37:36] <creiht> Igbothom_III: For a lot of cases it works well
[04-Apr-2007 16:37:47] <creiht> For large installations it does not scale well
[04-Apr-2007 16:37:57] <creiht> And becomes cumbersome to manage very quickly
[04-Apr-2007 16:38:08] <Igbothom_III> as we manage SMB clients, that should never be an issue for us :)
[04-Apr-2007 16:38:24] <Igbothom_III> however, the cumbersome bit is why I'm looking at Zenoss instead
[04-Apr-2007 16:38:39] <Igbothom_III> and why I originally looked th the Hobbit Monitor
[04-Apr-2007 16:38:49] <creiht> Zenoss is soooooo much smoother :)
[04-Apr-2007 16:39:03] <Igbothom_III> looks it from what I've seen
[04-Apr-2007 16:39:09] <Igbothom_III> hope to play a little over the weekend
[04-Apr-2007 16:44:22] <dan__t> back... that was interesting heh
[04-Apr-2007 16:48:27] <illsci> awhile ago this sales guy asked one of the engineers where i was at what this customers problem was over email
[04-Apr-2007 16:48:43] <illsci> and the engineer replied that it was an id10t error
[04-Apr-2007 16:48:48] <dan__t> hahaha
[04-Apr-2007 16:48:49] <illsci> so the sales guy just forwarded it to him
[04-Apr-2007 16:49:01] <illsci> to the customer like that was going to be helpful and he cc'd the engineer
[04-Apr-2007 16:49:06] <illsci> we are all sitting around
[04-Apr-2007 16:49:17] <illsci> and we hear "You didn't just forward that to them did you?"
[04-Apr-2007 16:49:24] <illsci> and then we saw what it was and all died laughing
[04-Apr-2007 16:52:03] <Igbothom_III> says it all for salespeople - they are clueless
[04-Apr-2007 16:53:09] <dan__t> nice.
[04-Apr-2007 17:02:45] <jimmy-james> i just started up the vmware image of zenoss to test it out but i cant aceess the management interface, i can ping the box but i can't point my web browser at it
[04-Apr-2007 17:02:52] <jimmy-james> anyone heard of this before?
[04-Apr-2007 17:03:12] <jimmy-james> btw im running it in vmware-server with my connection set to NAT
[04-Apr-2007 17:04:14] <creiht> jimmy-james: Are you running any VPN software at the moment?
[04-Apr-2007 17:04:57] <jimmy-james> no, not right now
[04-Apr-2007 17:05:16] <creiht> It is supposed to work :)
[04-Apr-2007 17:06:44] <jimmy-james> ill tinker with it
[04-Apr-2007 17:06:46] <creiht> Can you ssh into it?
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[04-Apr-2007 17:07:23] <jimmy-james> yes
[04-Apr-2007 17:07:37] <creiht> Check that zenoss is running
[04-Apr-2007 17:07:48] <creiht> find out where zenoss is installed
[04-Apr-2007 17:07:55] <creiht> echo $ZENHOME
[04-Apr-2007 17:08:04] <creiht> cd $ZENHOME/bin
[04-Apr-2007 17:08:05] <creiht> and run
[04-Apr-2007 17:08:07] <creiht> zenoss status
[04-Apr-2007 17:08:24] <Igbothom_III> goddamnjust installed VMWare 6 beta on Vista Ultimate x64 - rebooting in the vain hope this will actually work now :)
[04-Apr-2007 17:08:57] <jimmy-james> says its all running
[04-Apr-2007 17:09:38] <jimmy-james> bah
[04-Apr-2007 17:09:40] <jimmy-james> my bad
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[04-Apr-2007 17:09:51] <jimmy-james> i was going to 8888 instead of 8080
[04-Apr-2007 17:10:07] <jimmy-james> thanks for all your help creiht
[04-Apr-2007 17:10:07] <creiht> hehe
[04-Apr-2007 17:10:09] <creiht> np
[04-Apr-2007 17:14:31] <WolfeWLU> Does